PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on May 22, 2021, 05:43:31 PM
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We all keep following the ballot fraud audits, some of us hoping and others praying for truth to will put.
Others are just as fervently praying for it to all be swept under the rug and ignored to death.
My gut tells me that the communists in charge of the democrat party will lie, cheat, steal, and not hesitate to kill to keep the truth from being disclosed. Far too much money is at stake and with the democrat communists being china's bitch, they will bribe, lie, pander, give away trillions in 'free' money and blackmail whoever is in the way of the coverup.
So here is a poll. What will be the outcome?
I'm purposely leaving out a choice that says that there will be full disclosure and that there was no fraud, because you'd have to be an ignorant moron to believe such a thing.
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Did you attach the poll? I don't see it.
My husband and I had this exact conversation over dinner tonight. I said I don't think anything will come of it, the news won't report it, the communists in charge will do anything to sweep it under the rug and there are plenty of Republicans happy to do the same.
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I had to post the thread and then insert the poll.
It's up now.
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Media coverup has been underway for months and will continue, so I picked the first choice. Choice 4 appears least probable, since the results of some the forensic analysis and audits aren’t intended to change anything.
It may seem odd, but based on the reactions I’m seeing, I think that having results ignored or slammed by the media would be a good thing in the long run. I think it will help to let the anger and frustration simmer till the next election. The info and frustration will get around and the undecideds will be exposed in spite of efforts by the media.
Discrepancies have already been found in the Georgia mail-in analysis of the low-res imaged ballots, and Garland has indicated there was a lot more found that they didn’t get around to disclosing to the judge since he agreed to allow access before they got to any other damning discoveries. Garland has indicated he isn’t allowed to say more till later.
I don’t know what they’ll find in AZ or other states. I do know that there are enough distinct claims of inconsistent counts that a lot of people are going to be wary and demand changes - whether it is enough is unclear. I skimmed over the history of VoterGA and Garland has been tilting at windmills for many years. I hope for the best and expect the worse. Reminds me, since they have to pay for the county employees to do the scanning, I need to kick in a bit more. Market is up, so feeling OK so far....
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The huge, coordinated coverup already has been and still is underway so I agree with Jim on the first pick. But I can’t really vote on other outcomes because my overall answer is like the doctors’ when I ask about long-term effects of Covid vaccinations... “We don’t know.”
Not claiming any veracity of this link, but interesting times. It is true that President Trump has dropped many, many statements about a bright future and a good outcome.
I remember in 2016 when a friend said he always voted for the candidate who would be the most fun to watch. That definitely was not HRC.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/05/thomas-wictor-remains-confident.html
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biden is steingar’s president.
Nothing else needs said.
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A fun thought experiment. What, if anything would convince you guys that the election was fair and square?
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A fun thought experiment. What, if anything would convince you guys that the election was fair and square?
The DCP being transparent and stop trying to prevent legal and lawful audits from happening.
If they believe they won, fair and square, then they have nothing to fear, right?
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A fun thought experiment. What, if anything would convince you guys that the election was fair and square?
Gee... hiring over 100 lawyers to fight examining ballots for fraud isn’t proof enough that everything was fair and square????
Liberals are not only stupid and dishonest, but really, really blind.
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A fun thought experiment. What, if anything would convince you guys that the election was fair and square?
Forensic audits showing non-outcome-determinative fraud. The same thing, I hope, that would convince you it was stolen if the fraud was indeed outcome determinative.
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The DCP being transparent and stop trying to prevent legal and lawful audits from happening.
If they believe they won, fair and square, then they have nothing to fear, right?
I believe both Arizona an George have been recounted twice each. Will you believe it fair if the latest count comes out like the last two?
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I believe both Arizona an George have been recounted twice each. Will you believe it fair if the latest count comes out like the last two?
A recount is not an audit.
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I believe both Arizona an George have been recounted twice each. Will you believe it fair if the latest count comes out like the last two?
OK, do you understand the difference between a recount and a forensic audit?
Let's say the table is stacked with $100 bills equaling $1 million. And it's been alleged that there are counterfeit bills in those stacks.
If we count the bills, we still come up with $1 million. Nothing proved.
However, if we do a forensic audit, not a recount, we can discover if there are really any counterfeit bills to be found.
If you were the owner of that $1 million, would you want a recount or an audit?
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Forensic audits showing non-outcome-determinative fraud. The same thing, I hope, that would convince you it was stolen if the fraud was indeed outcome determinative.
I'm afraid I don't even know what that means. So no one has made a claim of fraud that stood up to a court of law. That isn't that great a bar, by the way. Even Trump's AG, who was a huge believer in expansive Executive power and bent over backwards to please his boss, said there was no evidence for fraud.
On the other hand, every time Trump looses he claims fraud. He claimed it when he didn't get his Emmy award, he claimed it for Obama's election, he claimed it after Tom Cruz beat him in the Iowa caucus and he claimed Hillary Clinton was rigging the election right up until the night he won it. This is a very very clear pattern of behavior with him. Why anyone would give it the least bit of credibility is beyond me.
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What could be clearer?
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I'm afraid I don't even know what that means.
Why is no one surprised? ::)
So no one has made a claim of fraud that stood up to a court of law.
Those court cases you are attempting to cite never got to an evidentiary phase where the evidence could be presented. They were thrown out over "laches" and "standing", a game of legal jujitsu to avoid letting the case be heard.
Again, none of those cases were thrown out on evidence.
That isn't that great a bar, by the way. Even Trump's AG, who was a huge believer in expansive Executive power and bent over backwards to please his boss, said there was no evidence for fraud.
Very weak. Barr turned his back, and the DoJ's back on even doing any meaningful investigations. They were too concerned at high profile cases such as garage door pulls at NASCAR tracks.
just babbling gibberish..............
Typical.
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I'm afraid I don't even know what that means. So no one has made a claim of fraud that stood up to a court of law. That isn't that great a bar, by the way. Even Trump's AG, who was a huge believer in expansive Executive power and bent over backwards to please his boss, said there was no evidence for fraud.
On the other hand, every time Trump looses he claims fraud. He claimed it when he didn't get his Emmy award, he claimed it for Obama's election, he claimed it after Tom Cruz beat him in the Iowa caucus and he claimed Hillary Clinton was rigging the election right up until the night he won it. This is a very very clear pattern of behavior with him. Why anyone would give it the least bit of credibility is beyond me.
What’s Trump got to do with it? I knew there was fraud before I went to bed in the wee hours of Nov 4 when multiple swing states all simultaneously stopped counting and blocked Republican watchers the minute Trump’s victory was obvious.
My conclusion was supported when I read the Antrim MI forensics report on the Dominion machines.
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What’s Trump got to do with it? I knew there was fraud before I went to bed in the wee hours of Nov 4 when multiple swing states all simultaneously stopped counting and blocked Republican watchers the minute Trump’s victory was obvious.
My conclusion was supported when I read the Antrim MI forensics report on the Dominion machines.
It is true that Trump was leading early on. But this election was a bit unusual in that it was in the middle of a pandemic, so there was far more absentee and mail in balloting than in the past, and those were the last to be counted in a number of states.
But if someone was going to commit sweeping election fraud to favor Democrats (remember this is dangerous. If caught they do to jail for a LONG time) why not go whole hog? Republicans won Congressional seats. Why not rig it so Democrats have commanding leads in BOTH houses. Go big or go home. After all, if they could so easily get away with this, they could do just about anything.
Occam's razor comes into play I think. Which is simpler: that there was a giant concerted conspiracy to rob Trump of his electoral victory involving thousands of participants, many of those Republicans, in which no one has confessed, been indicted or even caught,
or,
that Trump made up baseless claims of election fraud just like he's done countless times before.
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Why is "widespread fraud" always the benchmark?
Why are people ignoring a few key cities or counties that can swing an election, rather claiming widespread fraud? and yet, those same people are quick to yell out how brilliant they are... if only they were at least half as smart as they claim...
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I'm afraid I don't even know what that means. So no one has made a claim of fraud that stood up to a court of law.
The Georgia case is a lawsuit that has stood up and the judge has already agreed the plaintiffs have shown discrepancies exist in the counts. Here’s the rough outline:
It started when several election workers in Fulton county Georgia noted large batches of mail-in ballots without folds on non-standard paper. They signed affidavits to that effect.
A voter integrity group filed a lawsuit asking to see the ballots, as allowed by the Georgia constitution and law.
After weeks of litigation, the judge ordered the county to release a copy of the low-res scanned images of the ballots to the plaintiffs.
After examining the images the plaintiffs reported to the Judge that the count of ballots did not match the count the county officially reported. There were other anomalies such as obvious duplicates.
The judge then agreed to allow the plaintiffs access to the actual ballots so they could be examined directly and scanned at high resolution, but with the restriction that only county employees could handle the ballots and run them through the scanners. Plaintiffs were also to pay county expenses. The plaintiffs’ forensic experts, a special master assigned by the judge, and a few other state and county officials would be there to over-see the forensic analysis. The main objective is to determine the source of the discrepancies as well as any other evidence of fraud.
Biden won the state by only 11,779 votes and the number of mail-in ballots for Fulton county alone is around 150,000. The plaintiffs claim a ~21% ballot count discrepancy already exists - easily confirmed or refuted. So significant fraud or (charitably) incompetence almost certainly occurred.
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The Georgia case is a lawsuit that has stood up and the judge has already agreed the plaintiffs have shown discrepancies exist in the counts. Here’s the rough outline:
It started when several election workers in Fulton county Georgia noted large batches of mail-in ballots without folds on non-standard paper. They signed affidavits to that effect.
A voter integrity group filed a lawsuit asking to see the ballots, as allowed by the Georgia constitution and law.
After weeks of litigation, the judge ordered the county to release a copy of the low-res scanned images of the ballots to the plaintiffs.
After examining the images the plaintiffs reported to the Judge that the count of ballots did not match the count the county officially reported. There were other anomalies such as obvious duplicates.
The judge then agreed to allow the plaintiffs access to the actual ballots so they could be examined directly and scanned at high resolution, but with the restriction that only county employees could handle the ballots and run them through the scanners. Plaintiffs were also to pay county expenses. The plaintiffs’ forensic experts, a special master assigned by the judge, and a few other state and county officials would be there to over-see the forensic analysis. The main objective is to determine the source of the discrepancies as well as any other evidence of fraud.
Biden won the state by only 11,779 votes and the number of mail-in ballots for Fulton county alone is around 150,000. The plaintiffs claim a ~21% ballot count discrepancy already exists - easily confirmed or refuted. So significant fraud or (charitably) incompetence almost certainly occurred.
Garland has also has a laundry list of violations of Georgia law in Fulton county. One of those is the use of room with rounded walls so all areas could not be seen by the observers. You also have the observers being sent home and then counting continuing.
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It is true that Trump was leading early on. But this election was a bit unusual in that it was in the middle of a pandemic, so there was far more absentee and mail in balloting than in the past, and those were the last to be counted in a number of states.
But if someone was going to commit sweeping election fraud to favor Democrats (remember this is dangerous. If caught they do to jail for a LONG time) why not go whole hog? Republicans won Congressional seats. Why not rig it so Democrats have commanding leads in BOTH houses. Go big or go home. After all, if they could so easily get away with this, they could do just about anything.
Occam's razor comes into play I think. Which is simpler: that there was a giant concerted conspiracy to rob Trump of his electoral victory involving thousands of participants, many of those Republicans, in which no one has confessed, been indicted or even caught,
or,
that Trump made up baseless claims of election fraud just like he's done countless times before.
Yes, Occam’s razor exactly. You said it yourself, Republicans won congressional seats, they cleaned up. Which is simpler, the Presidential race went against all the down ballots and elected a demented loser that barely campaigned, against an unprecedentedly popular incumbent? Or Trump’s enemies pulled off fraud in a few key counties in six states to get rid of him after 4 years of trying everything else and failing.
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Or Trump’s enemies pulled off fraud in a few key counties in six states to get rid of him after 4 years of trying everything else and failing.
Shouldn't we have all their phone calls, emails, texts stored at that huge hard disk out in Utah?
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Shouldn't we have all their phone calls, emails, texts stored at that huge hard disk out in Utah?
Actually we do. But the same split that exists everywhere in the U.S. also exists in the IC. There are procedures that have to be followed to access it and examine it. No doubt IC friends of the new regime are seeing to it that none of their Trump friendly compatriots would feel comfortable doing that. In the same way the SC wasn’t “comfortable” pursuing the matter.
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That picture right there is tantamount to proof of fraud. It is statistically impossible for Biden to have won without surgically targeted machinations.
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That picture right there is tantamount to proof of fraud. It is statistically impossible for Biden to have won without surgically targeted machinations.
That's just a tiny portion of the evidence out there. People with advanced degrees in mathematics and statistics have testified under sworn affidavits the abnormalities of this election. Plus add in the 1,000's of sworn affidavits of witnesses, the extensive investigations of voting machines, the numerous ballots cast with no traceability, absentee ballots with no chain of custody, absentee ballots being cast by minors, dead people and fictitious names from addresses of vacant lots, etc, etc, etc.
The liberals pushed a totally made up and discredited theory of how Trump conspired with Russia to steal the 2016 election, spent tens of millions of our dollars investigating it, numerous investigation bodies that discovered nothing, but now suddenly we are suppose to believe that 2020 was somehow the cleanest election in history. And we are suppose to believe that while the liberal media is bragging about how they pulled it off "to save the election".