PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on June 20, 2017, 07:14:19 PM
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Even with all the money Hollywood and the Democrats can find, they still can't beat a Republican, at least according to CNN.
Also, Norman (R) looks like he is going to win in SC.
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The pollsters need to start reporting correct numbers also. As late as last week they Assoff up by seven points. Only on the last couple of days did they show some closing.
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Last 6-8 weeks, polls show Ossof up by 5-10 - 'this election is about the repudiation of Trump and his agenda'
After Handel wins, by 6-7% - 'this was never about Trump or his agenda'.
The hypocrisy and messaging knows no bounds.
The exploding heads and rage on the Left are about to dial up to 11.......
'Gimp
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The coasts still haven't figured it out yet, have they? We in the middle of the country DON'T want things run like they are on the coasts. The message is still trying to be driven home. Slow learners, I suppose.
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The coasts still haven't figured it out yet, have they? We in the middle of the country DON'T want things run like they are on the coasts. The message is still trying to be driven home. Slow learners, I suppose.
Georgia is on the coast.
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Georgia is on the coast.
Yabut it's still flyover country.
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The Republicans better start supporting Trump, or they are going to lose also.
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At some point the democrats are going to tired of getting kicked in the dick and stop blowing thirty million at a crack on losers, posers, and liars.
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Georgia is on the coast.
I'm talking the blue coast(s), but you knew that ;)
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I'm talking the blue coast(s), but you knew that ;)
We have an extreme divide in our country. The controlling metro areas in the northeast, and California along with some other states' metro areas have really drank the far left, progressive Kool aid. They are in many ways promoting anti American values. It is a lot of self loathing, and Democrat/Media driven drivel.
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The liberal progressives are believing their own bullshit and lies, and even worse their own media.
The democrat party has been hijacked by the socialist communist progressives. And in reality they are a small group, it's just their media outlets that keep portraying them as any significance. The American people in the last year have had their eyes opened to just how dirty and corrupt both the progressives and the MSM truly are.
I was sitting in a hotel lobby yesterday eating breakfast. The only newspaper there was a USA Today. So I picked it up to read and as typical it was an alternate reality. Honestly this is looking more and more like the old Soviet Union propaganda tactics from the Cold War. Next I expect to see massive billboards showing Pelosi, Shumer, Waters and Clinton looking upward in a defiant look with the words Resist! Resist! underneath.
We are standing at a crossroads of history right now. The republicans hold both houses and the presidency. They could start to fix so many of the problems left by 8 years of the most inept president in modern history. Unfortunately the republican leadership under Ryan and McConnell is more interested in the establishment class than the people they are suppose to represent.
There is an undercurrent forming to primary out these establishment republicans in 2018 and replace them with actual Representitives. Getting Ryan out is goal number 1 and any of his sycophants to follow.
But be ready for the next few months as the progressives ratchet up the violence. It's gonna get worse, much worse.
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We have an extreme divide in our country. The controlling metro areas in the northeast, and California along with some other states' metro areas have really drank the far left, progressive Kool aid. They are in many ways promoting anti American values. It is a lot of self loathing, and Democrat/Media driven drivel.
We essentially have two countries. Not just politics but culture, and the disconnect is growing wider by the day. I don't see how this can be resolved anymore without a shooting war. We are no longer one people, we are "us vs them" with each side regarding the other as ever more evil and inhuman. I don't believe the progressive left which has hijacked the "blue" side will ever give up its mindless drive for dominance. Likewise I don't see the "red" side ever giving in (cold dead hands and all that). This is heading for war. Again.
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The liberal progressives are believing their own bullshit and lies, and even worse their own media.
The democrat party has been hijacked by the socialist communist progressives.
A sidebar - you realize that a true liberal and a socialist communist are opposites, right? A liberal believes in freedom, but a socialist communist believes in compliance to the collective (aka, common slavery). The first is little government, the latter is all government.
As a real liberal, I take offense at my title being used to describe the left.
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We essentially have two countries. Not just politics but culture, and the disconnect is growing wider by the day. I don't see how this can be resolved anymore without a shooting war. We are no longer one people, we are "us vs them" with each side regarding the other as ever more evil and inhuman. I don't believe the progressive left which has hijacked the "blue" side will ever give up its mindless drive for dominance. Likewise I don't see the "red" side ever giving in (cold dead hands and all that). This is heading for war. Again.
Things will have to get much worse before any kind of civil war happens. What I don't understand is the Left wants to destroy the very things that made our country great. They demonize Capitalism because it is "unfair". They want to tax us to death, and destroy the economy over some fake, hoax called Man Made Climate Change, they hate the military, they want to import thousands of Muslim refugees with no vetting process. I could go on, but it is depressing.
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A sidebar - you realize that a true liberal and a socialist communist are opposites, right? A liberal believes in freedom, but a socialist communist believes in compliance to the collective (aka, common slavery). The first is little government, the latter is all government.
As a real liberal, I take offense at my title being used to describe the left.
The term liberal itself has been radicalized by the left. That is why I use "Progressive" now or "liberal/progressive".
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A sidebar - you realize that a true liberal and a socialist communist are opposites, right? A liberal believes in freedom, but a socialist communist believes in compliance to the collective (aka, common slavery). The first is little government, the latter is all government.
As a real liberal, I take offense at my title being used to describe the left.
Did you not notice the distinction I've made (many times in fact).
The term liberal has morphed into what was the democrat party because the democrats wanted to label themselves (once again) as a party that values freedom. The democrats embraced the word liberal until the vernacular has today become democrat equals liberal. The democrats have a long history of representing themselves as something they are not. Modern history has acknowledged the democrats as liberals.
I make the distinction in what we are seeing as liberal progressives since they are the small faction that has hijacked the democrat party.
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A sidebar - you realize that a true liberal and a socialist communist are opposites, right? A liberal believes in freedom, but a socialist communist believes in compliance to the collective (aka, common slavery). The first is little government, the latter is all government.
As a real liberal, I take offense at my title being used to describe the left.
Agree. The term "liberal" has flipped around opposite to what it originally was. Technically it is just "changed from the traditional" which used to be moving from aristocracy to democracy and now means moving from democracy to communism, because democracy (and representative republic) has become the new traditional.
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Agree. The term "liberal" has flipped around opposite to what it originally was. Technically it is just "changed from the traditional" which used to be moving from aristocracy to democracy and now means moving from democracy to communism, because democracy (and representative republic) has become the new traditional.
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If the Republicans don't get their act together, and do something, (Health care reform, tax reform, energy policy, etc) they will lose this opportunity, and the country will go full blown Euro-Communism. I just got off the phone with one of my clients in London. Half their energy costs are for a Man Made Climate Change surcharge (TAX). That is what we will get here if we don't do something NOW.
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If the Republicans don't get their act together, and do something, (Health care reform, tax reform, energy policy, etc) they will lose this opportunity, and the country will go full blown Euro-Communism. I just got off the phone with one of my clients in London. Half their energy costs are for a Man Made Climate Change surcharge (TAX). That is what we will get here if we don't do something NOW.
But here's the problem: That tax in England is making some people very very wealthy. And those wealthy people are funneling some of that money back to politicians in order for them to create more taxes they can profit from.
We have the same problem here. The establishment republicans and democrats are owned by special interest. Special interest wants more bigger government and more large contracts. Special interest despises Trump because he threatens them.
In the next election it's time to primary out the establishment and to put them on notice now.
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Don't you understand? It was Russia (again)! Putin told some underling "Go take care of things in Georgia." The underling (or his travel agent) merely got confused.
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But here's the problem: That tax in England is making some people very very wealthy. And those wealthy people are funneling some of that money back to politicians in order for them to create more taxes they can profit from.
We have the same problem here. The establishment republicans and democrats are owned by special interest. Special interest wants more bigger government and more large contracts. Special interest despises Trump because he threatens them.
In the next election it's time to primary out the establishment and to put them on notice now.
I understand that. Trump was elected because he promised to change the status quo supported by the special interests that run both Republican, and Democrat politicians. I agree that we need to oust as many career, establishment Republicans as possible in primaries. However, that is a very long process, and I fear that before we can actually drain the swamp, the swamp will drain us.
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I understand that. Trump was elected because he promised to change the status quo supported by the special interests that run both Republican, and Democrat politicians. I agree that we need to oust as many career, establishment Republicans as possible in primaries. However, that is a very long process, and I fear that before we can actually drain the swamp, the swamp will drain us.
So far he's done very little to change the status quo. Instead he just tweets and whines about how unfair the investigation is instead of focusing on the issues he was elected to focus on. While I'm in agreement that the investigation hasn't, and won't, turn up anything, that's not going to stop the Democrats from continuing to investigate. Instead of whining about it, focus on everything he talked about during the election.
Republicans in Congress need to be held accountable, too. Trump should pull both McConnell and Ryan into his office and tell them to start producing bills that he can sign. He's the de facto leader of the Republican Party and he needs to lead it. McConnell and Ryan will continue to drag their feet and pass mediocre bills.
The Republicans could lose in 2018 because they didn't get anything done they said they would. That's a pretty good reason to vote them out. Of course the Democrats keep failing apart and can't seem to figure out why they lost in 2016, so who knows.
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We should remember that Republicans brought us the Patriot Act.
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We should remember that Republicans brought us the Patriot Act.
Republicans AND Democrats brought us the Patriot Act.
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She won Handel-ly, too. :)
Dems vote for well-financed white guy, Republicans vote for a woman. Will Libs throw away their pink hats now?
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The term liberal itself has been radicalized by the left. That is why I use "Progressive" now or "liberal/progressive".
The term liberal has been radicalized by the right. When the left started using it, they meant freedom and the right used it as a curse word. Today the left has changed, but the right still curses them the same way.
I have been convinced for a long time that the party who adopts real liberal values will win the hearts and minds of the country because all men created equal is an American value. But maybe that is just egocentrism, I believe everyone else loves liberty because I see it as so much better.
Small government
Responsible citizens
Few restrictions on people
We have many laws that we should not have.
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So far he's done very little to change the status quo.
Republicans in Congress need to be held accountable, too.
There, you answered your own comment. Trump will find it hard to get things done because entrenched congressmen, both Ds and Rs, bought and paid for by big interest money, will resist change. As you said, we need to vote out the whole lot of them, start over. Maybe we'll at least get a year or two of getting things done before THEY'RE bought and paid for.
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There, you answered your own comment. Trump will find it hard to get things done because entrenched congressmen, both Ds and Rs, bought and paid for by big interest money, will resist change. As you said, we need to vote out the whole lot of them, start over. Maybe we'll at least get a year or two of getting things done before THEY'RE bought and paid for.
It's not just them, it's Trump, too. He needs to be held accountable just as much as Congressional Republicans.
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It's not just them, it's Trump, too. He needs to be held accountable just as much as Congressional Republicans.
Yes he does, but he cannot pass bills on his own. He needs to find a way to coerce these bought, and paid for establishment Republicans somehow so he can get his agenda through. They need to be publicly shamed, and/or voted out of office.
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Yes he does, but he cannot pass bills on his own. He needs to find a way to coerce these bought, and paid for establishment Republicans somehow so he can get his agenda through. They need to be publicly shamed, and/or voted out of office.
I'm familiar with how our government works. Perhaps he should spend less time on Twitter whining about the investigation and more time speaking about the healthcare bill. He should be tweeting about that instead. He's the most powerful man in the world and the de facto leader of the Republican Party and he's not corralling Congressional Republicans together and getting them to do something.
We'll see who decides to vote for this bill.
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I'm familiar with how our government works.
I didn't insinuate that you didn't. My point was that it is not all up to Trump. Obama had a solid Dem Majority for two years, and he got one thing passed, and it was purposely flawed.
Perhaps he should spend less time on Twitter whining about the investigation and more time speaking about the healthcare bill. He should be tweeting about that instead. He's the most powerful man in the world and the de facto leader of the Republican Party and he's not corralling Congressional Republicans together and getting them to do something.
We'll see who decides to vote for this bill.
Agreed.
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Wanted to wrap this up a bit with some interesting numbers. Rodney Stooksbury ran against Tom Price in the general election in 2016 for the GA-6 seat. He got a total of 119,536 votes while spending zero dollars. (https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00619270/?cycle=2016 (https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00619270/?cycle=2016))
In the GA-6 runoff election John Ossoff garnered 125,517 votes or just 6,000 more votes than did Stooksbury and Ossoff spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $24M or about $4k per vote for the additional 6,000 votes.
In fairness Handel did not get near the vote total that Price got in the general election.
P.S.
Found this aricle (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/21/one-number-puts-the-democrat-loss-in-georgia-in-stunning-perspective/ (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/21/one-number-puts-the-democrat-loss-in-georgia-in-stunning-perspective/)) that claims Stooksbury actually got more votes than Ossoff. I'll do more checking to see which one is correct.
(http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/63991/184321/en/summary.html) Indicates that Stooksbury received 124,917 in the general election while Ossoff got 124,893 according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution (http://www.ajc.com/news/ga-6th-district-election-results/)
A disparity in the numbers for Ossoff that I've found.
He either spent $24M+ for 600 more votes or $40k per vote or spent $24M+ for 24 fewer votes or $1M per vote lost.
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And as of today, the liberal progressives still don't understand what is wrong with the democrat party. So their solution? More fake news, more faux outrage! More resist! More spend millions of dollars in an attempt to buy an election.
And of course, more alt left progressives from either coast to make the party's decisions.
2018 is going to be interesting.