PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on January 04, 2019, 07:00:11 AM
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How odd that the school assigned deputy was allowed to instantly and quietly retire after hiding out instead of protecting the children murdered at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School.
The incoming Governor really and truly needs to remove scott israel from office and open a criminal investigation into the corruption that resulted in 17 dead school children.
Parents of children gunned down in the Parkland school shooting in Florida last year have never understood two actions taken by Broward County Sheriff scott israel: his refusal to fire a campus-based deputy who failed to enter the school during the rampage that took 17 lives, and his continued defense of controversial obama-era school policies that allowed the accused shooter, Nikolas Cruz, to avoid arrest and a police record and thereby purchase the murder weapon.
Some now think they have found the answer in a single incident that occurred in 2014. A police report shows that’s when israel's then-17-year-old son, Brett, was accused of participating in a sexual assault of a 14-year-old boy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
The case was investigated by scott peterson -- the armed deputy who took cover while children and staff were shot last February. Using the obama-era guidelines, peterson’s recommendation helped his boss’s son receive just a three-day suspension.
The rest of the article tears the cover off of the lies and intentional suppression of the facts surrounding Nicholas Cruz, the CORRUPT sheriff, and the coward scott peterson.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/12/31/the_sheriff_the_sheriffs_son_and_the_coward_of_broward.html
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Odd that when faced with single handedly storming a shooter, a deputy took cover? I don’t think it is odd at all. People in combat do all kinds of self serving things and it doesn’t make them cowardly, it makes them human. You never know how you are going to behave when thrown into a situation where duty demands that you will probably die.
Retirement was a good option. The deputy had discovered his limit. It should not negate his decades of service because of a human frailty.
Lighten up Francis.
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Odd that when faced with single handedly storming a shooter, a deputy took cover? I don’t think it is odd at all. People in combat do all kinds of self serving things and it doesn’t make them cowardly, it makes them human. You never know how you are going to behave when thrown into a situation where duty demands that you will probably die.
Retirement was a good option. The deputy had discovered his limit. It should not negate his decades of service because of a human frailty.
Lighten up Francis.
Bullshit,
More Bullshit.
And stupid bullshit.
Thanks for playing Dr. Phil.
Scott Peterson riding off into the sunset after leaving those kids to die is an obscenity and no amount of make believe sensitivity will change that. Finding out that he covered up the crime of sexual assault perpetrated by scott israel's son makes it an even greater obscenity.
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Bullshit,
More Bullshit.
And stupid bullshit.
The bullshit is you sitting there lobbing stones when you've never faced it yourself. Armchair quarterbacking combat decisions is the absolute worst form of disrespect. Show a little integrity.
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Actually, police training teaches not to run away from a threat.
The officer in question failed the situation, miserably.
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Actually, police training teaches not to run away from a threat.
The officer in question failed the situation, miserably.
he did not run away. He just didn't go storming in alone. Police training also teaches to get backup.
Those who have been in that situation know how they react. Everyone else should give a little leeway.
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he did not run away. He just didn't go storming in alone. Police training also teaches to get backup.
Those who have been in that situation know how they react. Everyone else should give a little leeway.
As backup arrived, he warned them not to go in. After backup arrived and headed into the building, he stayed behind.
We pay the police to do a job, and part of that job involves sometimes entering into situations with substantially elevated risk. It is acceptable to criticize them when they fail in that duty. And I think this armed resource officer failed in that duty.
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As backup arrived, he warned them not to go in. After backup arrived and headed into the building, he stayed behind.
We pay the police to do a job, and part of that job involves sometimes entering into situations with substantially elevated risk. It is acceptable to criticize them when they fail in that duty. And I think this armed resource officer failed in that duty.
Bflynn’s inner snowflake is showing.
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As backup arrived, he warned them not to go in. After backup arrived and headed into the building, he stayed behind.
We pay the police to do a job, and part of that job involves sometimes entering into situations with substantially elevated risk. It is acceptable to criticize them when they fail in that duty. And I think this armed resource officer failed in that duty.
You've never seen someone freeze up when confronted with mortal danger?
I have. I know that he's a good person, his brain just couldn't process anything but hiding from the danger. Yes, we removed him from the boat, but we didn't shitcan his 18 year career or his retirement because he couldn't do one element of his job. He had served well up to that point.
People need to learn to relax on both sides. The deputy didn't handle the stress of a live shooter situation correctly That is one mistake in however many decades that he served. Yes, it taints his career, but if you want to line him up and shoot him over this, then I suggest you look extra hard at yourself to make you NEVER have a single mistake in your career.
BTW, N7, I have no inner snowflake. What I have is experience in this realm. So snuggle down into your warm, comfortable armchair and keep throwing those cowardly little insults around. Bitch.
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You've never seen someone freeze up when confronted with mortal danger?
I have. I know that he's a good person, his brain just couldn't process anything but hiding from the danger. Yes, we removed him from the boat, but we didn't shitcan his 18 year career or his retirement because he couldn't do one element of his job. He had served well up to that point.
People need to learn to relax on both sides. The deputy didn't handle the stress of a live shooter situation correctly That is one mistake in however many decades that he served. Yes, it taints his career, but if you want to line him up and shoot him over this, then I suggest you look extra hard at yourself to make you NEVER have a single mistake in your career.
BTW, N7, I have no inner snowflake. What I have is experience in this realm. So snuggle down into your warm, comfortable armchair and keep throwing those cowardly little insults around. Bitch.
Your self righteous persona is flaring up again.
The deputy had a job and was trained for it. He failed, miserably. Those are facts.
If that was your son lying on the floor bleeding out because deputy coward didn't want to do his job, I'm sure the self inflicted self righteousness you display wouldn't be there.
We have a police officer on this forum, and I would like to hear his take on it. Anyone who is a sworn officer knows the risk and danger of the job going in. While they may spend 20 years doing yeoman duty, that few moments of shear terror and potential loss of his life shouldn't have had him going away from the kill zone.
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And if the deputy was killed, along with those children, y'all be happier about it?
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You've never seen someone freeze up when confronted with mortal danger?
I have. I know that he's a good person, his brain just couldn't process anything but hiding from the danger. Yes, we removed him from the boat, but we didn't shitcan his 18 year career or his retirement because he couldn't do one element of his job. He had served well up to that point.
People need to learn to relax on both sides. The deputy didn't handle the stress of a live shooter situation correctly That is one mistake in however many decades that he served. Yes, it taints his career, but if you want to line him up and shoot him over this, then I suggest you look extra hard at yourself to make you NEVER have a single mistake in your career.
BTW, N7, I have no inner snowflake. What I have is experience in this realm. So snuggle down into your warm, comfortable armchair and keep throwing those cowardly little insults around. Bitch.
It wasn't a mistake and your inner snowflake is at full mast, cinderella. Do you always have this much trouble with your baseless generalizations because someone refused to believe your bullshit?
Out of curiosity, do you really think you're the only person ever to face live fire? Or do you think your experience was so overwhelmingly complete that no one has the right to speak up except you? Either way, buckle up pansy. The world won't stop to make you feel good about yourself.
oh... and its not the first time these people failed miserably to do their jobs.
AS far as the pathetic, whiner who wants to know if a dead deputy would make us feel better, that's bullshit for assholes. congratulations to you both.
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And if the deputy was killed, along with those children, y'all be happier about it?
So did the deputy only take the job to get the pay and benefits, and that nice retirement? Did he not realize that his job may entail putting himself in harms way to protect others?
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And if the deputy was killed, along with those children, y'all be happier about it?
I think they would be.
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Your self righteous persona is flaring up again.
You're correct. That happens when people want to execute someone for a mistake. I agree that he should have gone in. I disagree that he should lose his entire career's worth of work because he didn't.
He has to live with the knowledge of what he did. That alone will be more than enough punishment.
Nothing can change what happened or can undo the children that were killed. Not even if you take away his entire retirement, his house, car, family and his birthday. Kids are still dead, but then you've got another tragedy on your hands.
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You've never seen someone freeze up when confronted with mortal danger?
I have. I know that he's a good person, his brain just couldn't process anything but hiding from the danger. Yes, we removed him from the boat, but we didn't shitcan his 18 year career or his retirement because he couldn't do one element of his job. He had served well up to that point.
People need to learn to relax on both sides. The deputy didn't handle the stress of a live shooter situation correctly That is one mistake in however many decades that he served. Yes, it taints his career, but if you want to line him up and shoot him over this, then I suggest you look extra hard at yourself to make you NEVER have a single mistake in your career.
BTW, N7, I have no inner snowflake. What I have is experience in this realm. So snuggle down into your warm, comfortable armchair and keep throwing those cowardly little insults around. Bitch.
With due respect to you, since I know you served and I didn't', I really think you're missing the point. My point, at least. Nowhere have I said he's not human, and apt to make mistakes in his career. Or apt to freeze under fire. Nowhere have I said he should be lined up and shot. But that doesn't make it inappropriate to criticize a dereliction of duty, wherein the children he was sworn to protect needed him, and he failed to deliver. And not only failed to deliver, but refused to take action when others did. I feel similarly when a police officer shoots an unarmed subject who was doing nothing wrong, because the officer felt like they were maybe in danger. We pay police officers to enter situations of elevated danger, rare though they may be per the statistics.
Most of us are subject to ruin with one huge mistake, despite a lifetime of good work. Such is life.
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You're correct. That happens when people want to execute someone for a mistake. I agree that he should have gone in. I disagree that he should lose his entire career's worth of work because he didn't.
He has to live with the knowledge of what he did. That alone will be more than enough punishment.
Nothing can change what happened or can undo the children that were killed. Not even if you take away his entire retirement, his house, car, family and his birthday. Kids are still dead, but then you've got another tragedy on your hands.
I guess you are so much better than the rest of us that you already w about deputy coward and his checkered career. Reading the entire article was probably too strenuous for you, considering all the energy you spent whining, pointing fingers and acting like a pussy.
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Most of us are subject to ruin with one huge mistake, despite a lifetime of good work. Such is life.
I disagree. You don't back a man into a corner because he will come out swinging. You don't kick someone when they're down.
Didn't you learn anything on the playground?
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Thinking more - it isn’t who served and who didn’t. People who go through the military come out different, it is an extraordinary thing that changes most people.
One of the things I learned was tolerance. Very few people irritate me and if you do, then you know you have pushed very, very far into a taboo topic. Look, people mess up. I’ve done it. When it happens, you don’t shoot the person (that is a figurative term, not literal). Why? Because nobody is perfect. Your poop stinks too.
My biggest goof involved flooding a torpedo tube with a torpedo inside - about a half million in damage from sea water corrosion. I didn’t physically do it, it was a complete accident, but it was my watch and my fault. So you figure out what there is to be learned from it, then move forward. You never, never hate, you don’t hold a grudge and you may punish, but always in a recoverable way. In the end, you don’t want an example of your cruelty, you want everyone to know the standard, but also that they will still come out the other side somehow. Otherwise you get people who are a
Ways fearful, which is a horrible way to go through life.
So - we learned that the elderly deputy wasn’t up to the task. Retirement is the right choice, he earned it with his decades of service. It is only otherwise if we choose it to be.
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Thinking more - it isn’t who served and who didn’t. People who go through the military come out different, it is an extraordinary thing that changes most people.
One of the things I learned was tolerance. Very few people irritate me and if you do, then you know you have pushed very, very far into a taboo topic. Look, people mess up. I’ve done it. When it happens, you don’t shoot the person (that is a figurative term, not literal). Why? Because nobody is perfect. Your poop stinks too.
My biggest goof involved flooding a torpedo tube with a torpedo inside - about a half million in damage from sea water corrosion. I didn’t physically do it, it was a complete accident, but it was my watch and my fault. So you figure out what there is to be learned from it, then move forward. You never, never hate, you don’t hold a grudge and you may punish, but always in a recoverable way. In the end, you don’t want an example of your cruelty, you want everyone to know the standard, but also that they will still come out the other side somehow. Otherwise you get people who are a
Ways fearful, which is a horrible way to go through life.
So - we learned that the elderly deputy wasn’t up to the task. Retirement is the right choice, he earned it with his decades of service. It is only otherwise if we choose it to be.
Damaging a piece of hardware is far, far different than people, children, dying because someone failed to do their sworn duty and protect them.
Your house is burning. The fire department shows up and you are screaming "my child is in there! Save him!"
The fireman says "I dunno, that's pretty bad, I could get hurt if I try to go in" and he walks away to behind his truck.
Guess your tolerance would kick in and you would just give him a pass.
Anybody can screw up, right?
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Thinking more - it isn’t who served and who didn’t. People who go through the military come out different, it is an extraordinary thing that changes most people.
One of the things I learned was tolerance. Very few people irritate me and if you do, then you know you have pushed very, very far into a taboo topic. Look, people mess up. I’ve done it. When it happens, you don’t shoot the person (that is a figurative term, not literal). Why? Because nobody is perfect. Your poop stinks too.
My biggest goof involved flooding a torpedo tube with a torpedo inside - about a half million in damage from sea water corrosion. I didn’t physically do it, it was a complete accident, but it was my watch and my fault. So you figure out what there is to be learned from it, then move forward. You never, never hate, you don’t hold a grudge and you may punish, but always in a recoverable way. In the end, you don’t want an example of your cruelty, you want everyone to know the standard, but also that they will still come out the other side somehow. Otherwise you get people who are a
Ways fearful, which is a horrible way to go through life.
So - we learned that the elderly deputy wasn’t up to the task. Retirement is the right choice, he earned it with his decades of service. It is only otherwise if we choose it to be.
Denying him his retirement would hurt his family, and I can't go along with that. Having said that, it's my opinion his failure to go looking for the gunman is pathetic. But most humans are cowards. It was only his cowardly nature, not deliberate malice, and I'm not for punishing folks for not being heroic if they are incapable of being heroic.
The evil and malice here lies with the Obama policies that kept that criminal juvenile thug in the school, and the gun free zone policies. We don't know who will step up and be a hero but if you let citizens (parents and teachers) be armed likely one among them will.
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We know that the deputy wouldn't and his boss was just as cowardly.
Giving him a pass out of misplaced sympathy, or political correctness is just as bad as changing the law because some thugs might hurt you if you wear the wrong color to work one morning. It's just as cowardly to refuse to deal with he problem in front of you, no matter how you slice it.
I remember a gang initiation in Denver about 20 years ago, where the wanna be gang banger had to t go kill a white woman and a child who were wearing red to get into the gang.
Stupid people called into the radio station and blamed the dead woman for not knowing that the gang might kill her because they claimed red as their color.
Cowardice is cowardice no matter how badly you want to redefine it. Allowing that mental case to kill 17 children because t might get him hurt was juts a whole lot uglier in the end, but just as cowardly.
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Treat other as you would like to be treated.
Otherwise, I guess the view is pretty good from the cheap seats.
We had one guy, a cook, who couldn’t handle the stress of war. He slowly went down hill until he snapped one day and pulled a bread knife out and pointed it at his LPO. Funny part was that this knife was rounded on the end, with no point. But that was a threat and so he had to go. For his safety, me and another guy alternated a watch to be with him 24x7 until we pulled in, both to prevent anyone from hurting him and to prevent him from hurting himself. When we pulled in (foreign port), I was the one to drive him to the airport. Being a shipmate and because he was still a nice guy, I threw him some local cash to get something to eat with and he was released to fly back home on his own accord.
Treat people with respect, even when they are headed for a dishonorable discharge.
If you aren’t down with that, then maybe you are part of the problem. You certainly aren’t part of the solution.
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Treat other as you would like to be treated.
Otherwise, I guess the view is pretty good from the cheap seats.
We had one guy, a cook, who couldn’t handle the stress of war. He slowly went down hill until he snapped one day and pulled a bread knife out and pointed it at his LPO. Funny part was that this knife was rounded on the end, with no point. But that was a threat and so he had to go. For his safety, me and another guy alternated a watch to be with him 24x7 until we pulled in, both to prevent anyone from hurting him and to prevent him from hurting himself. When we pulled in (foreign port), I was the one to drive him to the airport. Being a shipmate and because he was still a nice guy, I threw him some local cash to get something to eat with and he was released to fly back home on his own accord.
Treat people with respect, even when they are headed for a dishonorable discharge.
If you aren’t down with that, then maybe you are part of the problem. You certainly aren’t part of the solution.
Nice story.
And has absolutely nothing to do with, or nothing in common with a sworn deputy cowarding out in the line of duty while people are dying.
All you are attempting to do now is virtue signal.
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I agree with bflynn on this one. Nobody knows how they are going to react in such a situation until the time comes. I remember being on a ladder one time as a kid. A painter left a huge ladder going up to the third floor of my Aunt's house and I couldn't resist. I got about half way up and the wind started blowing and the ladder started swaying and I just held tight and couldn't move. I couldn't bring myself to go up or down. I wanted to do so, but my muscles and my brain just would not cooperate. Since then, I don't judge people on how they act in a life threatening situation.
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Treat other as you would like to be treated.
Otherwise, I guess the view is pretty good from the cheap seats.
We had one guy, a cook, who couldn’t handle the stress of war. He slowly went down hill until he snapped one day and pulled a bread knife out and pointed it at his LPO. Funny part was that this knife was rounded on the end, with no point. But that was a threat and so he had to go. For his safety, me and another guy alternated a watch to be with him 24x7 until we pulled in, both to prevent anyone from hurting him and to prevent him from hurting himself. When we pulled in (foreign port), I was the one to drive him to the airport. Being a shipmate and because he was still a nice guy, I threw him some local cash to get something to eat with and he was released to fly back home on his own accord.
Treat people with respect, even when they are headed for a dishonorable discharge.
If you aren’t down with that, then maybe you are part of the problem. You certainly aren’t part of the solution.
Wait a sec. Dishonorably discharged? You mean one mistake during war time ruined an otherwise good record of service, such that he was court martialed, forfeited all military benefits, cannot own a firearm, and may have trouble finding work in the civilian sector?
See what I mean? We are all subject to ruin for egregious mistakes. All of us. This is how life works.
And contrary to Joe's point, it's entirely acceptable to "judge" someone for their performance in the line of duty. Without that judgement, how would we evaluate their performance?
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Wait a sec. Dishonorably discharged? You mean one mistake during war time ruined an otherwise good record of service, such that he was court martialed, forfeited all military benefits, cannot own a firearm, and may have trouble finding work in the civilian sector?
See what I mean? We are all subject to ruin for egregious mistakes. All of us. This is how life works.
And contrary to Joe's point, it's entirely acceptable to "judge" someone for their performance in the line of duty. Without that judgement, how would we evaluate their performance?
Agreed. Many distinguished careers have ended in just such ignominy. And rightly so. Once you start excusing this one but not that one, chaos ensues.
We are acquaintances of a highly respected, long-serving administrator (Director of the College of Engineering) in our local university who was on the cusp of a well earned retirement when it was revealed he had fudged a few enrollment numbers. He had just rounded up a bit to meet some category requirement. The story was all over the newspapers and he had to to slink away in shame to parts distant. Sorry. A good guy, someone I’d trust to this day with anything in a heartbeat, but his one weak moment had its consequences.
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And has absolutely nothing to do with, or nothing in common with a sworn deputy cowarding out in the line of duty while people are dying.
Of course it has something to do with it.
Treat others as you would like to be treated. I know that's enemy propaganda for you, but you're actually the perfect foil this, so by all means keep trying to knock it down.
Wait a sec. Dishonorably discharged? You mean one mistake during war time ruined an otherwise good record of service, such that he was court martialed, forfeited all military benefits, cannot own a firearm, and may have trouble finding work in the civilian sector?
See what I mean? We are all subject to ruin for egregious mistakes. All of us. This is how life works.
And contrary to Joe's point, it's entirely acceptable to "judge" someone for their performance in the line of duty. Without that judgement, how would we evaluate their performance?
I don't know what happened afterwards - I think it was an OTH discharge or might have been admin. I don't think he went to jail or that there were charges because that was the end of it on the boat. Certainly no courts martial. It wasn't excused, but he did have to leave. He didn't really have a career. As an E-4 with 3 years in, he was just serving an enlistment. It isn't like he crashed a destroyer into a cargo ship or something.
Another way to say this - Be kind to others. The alternative is to be mean and angry toward others.
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And contrary to Joe's point, it's entirely acceptable to "judge" someone for their performance in the line of duty. Without that judgement, how would we evaluate their performance?
Agreed. Many distinguished careers have ended in just such ignominy. And rightly so. Once you start excusing this one but not that one, chaos ensues.
I cannot argue with either of you. If someone screws up badly enough in their career, then their career should be ended. If they purposely do something wrong, then they should be punished.
What I was disagreeing with is the venom directed towards this deputy. He should be fired and lose his benefits. I just disagree with the personal vilification.
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How about asking the parents of the slain children what their opinion is?
Flynn is doing nothing more than virtue signaling here, once again. Had that been his son lying on the floor bleeding out from a gun shot, while a sworn deputy, someone who is trained and has taken an oath to defend those who can't defend themselves cowers away, he wouldn't have such a forgiving heart towards the guy.
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he wouldn't have such a forgiving heart towards the guy.
You don't have the first clue and it is sad that your defense is to put words in my mouth. You are not a fortune teller or a mind reader. Sorry, you lose.
I would be very angry with the gunman. I would be and am disappointed with the deputy. Understand the difference.
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You don't have the first clue and it is sad that your defense is to put words in my mouth. You are not a fortune teller or a mind reader. Sorry, you lose.
I would be very angry with the gunman. I would be and am disappointed with the deputy. Understand the difference.
I understand the difference. And I also understand your brand of bullshit.
You’re pathetic.
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How about asking the parents of the slain children what their opinion is?
Some parents would probably want guns banned and/or a repeal of the second amendment. You (and I) would disregard those opinions, of course, since the ban would punish law-abiding people who were not direct causes of the slayings.
Sure, some parents might want to punish the deputy in some way, but he was no more the direct cause of their child's death than a law abiding distant gun owner.
Just FYI, the police have no legal duty to protect anyone (e.g. Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales,) so the deputy was not legally bound to do anything.
If and only if the deputy violated his terms of employment would it be reasonable for his employer to mete out punishment.
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What was the training this officer had? What directives did the chief have for his officers for circumstances such as the school shooting? These are other questions I'd be looking for answers to.
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You’re pathetic.
Noted.
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Some parents would probably want guns banned and/or a repeal of the second amendment. You (and I) would disregard those opinions, of course, since the ban would punish law-abiding people who were not direct causes of the slayings.
Sure, some parents might want to punish the deputy in some way, but he was no more the direct cause of their child's death than a law abiding distant gun owner.
Just FYI, the police have no legal duty to protect anyone (e.g. Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales,) so the deputy was not legally bound to do anything.
If and only if the deputy violated his terms of employment would it be reasonable for his employer to mete out punishment.
A crime was in progress (fire arm shooting, assault, murder) and the police do have an obligation when faced with someone committing crimes.
I don't give a fuck about this deputy and his pension. I do care that when faced with a criminal element he became a coward. He has the lost lives squarely on him by action of his cowardice.
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How about asking the parents of the slain children what their opinion is?
Flynn is doing nothing more than virtue signaling here, once again. Had that been his son lying on the floor bleeding out from a gun shot, while a sworn deputy, someone who is trained and has taken an oath to defend those who can't defend themselves cowers away, he wouldn't have such a forgiving heart towards the guy.
The pathetic, politically correct, nonsense of Flynn is as damning as listening to people excuse sexual assault when the perpetrator is of the right party. Rape is rape. Pretending there are special considerations based on politics is as cowardly pretending that one must have sympathy for afucking coward excusing helping get other people’s children killed.
Flynn is caught. He staked out ground and feels some misplaced obligation to keep defending the indefensible because otherwise he has to admit it was all stupid bullshit, as if he is trying to impress some coed, or unfulfilled soccer mom with his bullshit sensitivity
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What was the training this officer had? What directives did the chief have for his officers for circumstances such as the school shooting? These are other questions I'd be looking for answers to.
I would really like the answer to this question. If he had extensive urban combat training then his inaction is unforgivable. I am assuming he hadn't. If his training and experience was entirely breaking up schoolyard fights and patrolling the halls for parents that aren't wearing a visitor pass, then his inaction is far more understandable. And the blame here is more his bosses who armed him with a gun yet did not train him properly.
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It doesn't require 'special' training to know that that running away and hiding behind a tree is not how a law enforcement officer responds to a teenager shooting up a school....
unless you're a pansy and the deputy is. His career proves it, but because he got the sheriff's son off of a rape charge, he was golden as far as corrupt scott israel was concerned.
Typical communist, (they call themselves democrat now).
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This should bring a smile to your face-
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-governor-suspends-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel
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Apparently the deputies in Broward County have a forum. Check out “Bye Bye Scott Israel.”
http://forums.leoaffairs.com/forumdisplay.php?280-Broward-County-Sheriff-s-Office
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I guess bflynn will be round to lecture us all about our unrepentant happiness nw that the corrupt dog was put outside to water someone else’s lawn.
Too bad he gets to keep his pension but that’s like congress, where the worse you screw up the greater the rewards.
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I would really like the answer to this question. If he had extensive urban combat training then his inaction is unforgivable. I am assuming he hadn't. If his training and experience was entirely breaking up schoolyard fights and patrolling the halls for parents that aren't wearing a visitor pass, then his inaction is far more understandable. And the blame here is more his bosses who armed him with a gun yet did not train him properly.
They did not have training on how to respond to an active shooter.
I think it is ridiculous to ask a deputy to independently decide to put their life on the line to perform an action for which they are not trained and then to hold then accountable when they do not do so.
Blame sheriff Israel all you want, but I think he is the scapegoat here and it isn’t right.
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They did not have training on how to respond to an active shooter.
I think it is ridiculous to ask a deputy to independently decide to put their life on the line to perform an action for which they are not trained and then to hold then accountable when they do not do so.
Blame sheriff Israel all you want, but I think he is the scapegoat here and it isn’t right.
Now we are getting down to the meat of the matter! What is the purpose of assigning a deputy to a school? If the purpose is just to generally keep order that's one thing. If the purpose is for that deputy to be able to handle a rare active shooter event that's another matter entirely and he would need to be specially trained.
So why are armed deputies now appearing in schools if they are not so trained? Is it in response to the rash of school shootings? If so then it is security theatre!
More than mere security theatre they would need to spend the money and resources to have a full SWAT team on site at all times at all schools. That's not happening. Your child is not as important as the POTUS so no real security for you!
Instead we'll give you security theatre so we can tell you we did something and then we will throw him (the deputy - and his boss for good measure) under the bus and we'll be off the hook if the unthinkable happens. (We being the school board, usually full of Democrats for more gun control).
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Instead we'll give you security theatre so we can tell you we did something and then we will throw him (the deputy - and his boss for good measure) under the bus and we'll be off the hook if the unthinkable happens. (We being the school board, usually full of Democrats for more gun control).
With the school board dictating to the police involved with securing the school that NO weapons will be carried in the school by the police.
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With the school board dictating to the police involved with securing the school that NO weapons will be carried in the school by the police.
It's way too easy to fall for the bullshit narrative given by the left and certain posters here.
The corrupt sheriff had 19 confrontations with Fort Lauderdale the shooter over a short period of time, each one indicating a tendency toward violence BUT CHOSE to ignore them because they wanted to keep the criminal stats from showing a schoolchild getting arrested for violent crime. They put him out there to kill those children and then line up people to lie about their incomepetence and idiocy (democrats).
For fun the corrupt pig of a sheriff just happened to assign a deputy who was the target of 18 IA investigations and skated on each one, but was later proven to have covered up for the corrupt sheriff's 17 year old son when he participated in a homosexual assault on a STUDENT.
Now you can wallow in the quagmire of flynn's bullshit sensitivity, or look at it coldly.
The sheriff and his hand picked pig got those kids killed.
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It's way too easy to fall for the bullshit narrative given by the left and certain posters here.
The corrupt sheriff had 19 confrontations with Fort Lauderdale the shooter over a short period of time, each one indicating a tendency toward violence BUT CHOSE to ignore them because they wanted to keep the criminal stats from showing a schoolchild getting arrested for violent crime. They put him out there to kill those children and then line up people to lie about their incomepetence and idiocy (democrats).
For fun the corrupt pig of a sheriff just happened to assign a deputy who was the target of 18 IA investigations and skated on each one, but was later proven to have covered up for the corrupt sheriff's 17 year old son when he participated in a homosexual assault on a STUDENT.
Now you can wallow in the quagmire of flynn's bullshit sensitivity, or look at it coldly.
The sheriff and his hand picked pig got those kids killed.
Absolutely the sheriff upholding the Obama policy was the cause of the shooting ever happening in the first place. This does not excuse the school board and other no-gunners for turning schools into gun free zones where teachers cannot also avail themselves to be protectors. They may have thrown the sheriff and his deputy under the bus but I'm not disagreeing they deserved to be thrown there. I'm pointing out they are not the only, and maybe not even the major, problem here. The shooter could well have been someone with no prior red flags whatsoever.
The major problem is there are sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. Obviously the deputy was a sheep. The only way to ensure that sheepdogs (protectors of the innocent) will be around when wolves attack is to allow full use of the 2nd Amendment ESPECIALLY where the most innocent (children) need protection.
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Absolutely the sheriff upholding the Obama policy was the cause of the shooting ever happening in the first place. This does not excuse the school board and other no-gunners for turning schools into gun free zones where teachers cannot also avail themselves to be protectors. They may have thrown the sheriff and his deputy under the bus but I'm not disagreeing they deserved to be thrown there. I'm pointing out they are not the only, and maybe not even the major, problem here. The shooter could well have been someone with no prior red flags whatsoever.
The major problem is there are sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. Obviously the deputy was a sheep. The only way to ensure that sheepdogs (protectors of the innocent) will be around when wolves attack is to allow full use of the 2nd Amendment ESPECIALLY where the most innocent (children) need protection.
^^^^^Exactly what I would have said.
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The major problem is there are sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. Obviously the deputy was a sheep. The only way to ensure that sheepdogs (protectors of the innocent) will be around when wolves attack is to allow full use of the 2nd Amendment ESPECIALLY where the most innocent (children) need protection.
You touched on something that I have been trying to conceptualize.
You are right. The deputy was a sheep. Giving a sheep a gun and giving him any amount of training you want will not turn a sheep into a sheep dog. If you want a sheepdog protecting our sheep (school kids), then you hire a sheep dog. I have a hard time blaming the sheep for not being a sheepdog. True, he should have never accepted the position, but most people tend to over estimate their own macho. Especially men. Whoever hired and assigned him is the culprit and that would be the sheriff. Kudos to DeSantis for firing him forthwith.
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I am still going to stick with blaming the boy who did the shooting as the reason the kids got shot.
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I am still going to stick with blaming the boy who did the shooting as the reason the kids got shot.
The boy was 100% to blame. But that doesn't give the sheriff a pass on not doing his job. The world is full of violent nuts. That is why we have sheriffs and other LEOs.
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I am still going to stick with blaming the boy who did the shooting as the reason the kids got shot.
The boy was 100% to blame. But that doesn't give the sheriff a pass on not doing his job. The world is full of violent nuts. That is why we have sheriffs and other LEOs.
On the other hand, the boy had psychiatric problems he didn't ask for. And the LEOs were congenital pussies.
If I had school age kids nowadays, I would DEFINITELY be homeschooling them.
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The boy was 100% to blame. But that doesn't give the sheriff a pass on not doing his job. The world is full of violent nuts. That is why we have sheriffs and other LEOs.
Agree. The boy was responsible. However, the bureaucracy, and maintaining the liberal political narrative ENABLED him. They didn't allow the system to operate the way it was supposed to and red flag this kid.
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The boy was 100% to blame. But that doesn't give the sheriff a pass on not doing his job. The world is full of violent nuts. That is why we have sheriffs and other LEOs.
Upon thinking more about this, maybe this isn't why we have LEOs. Mostly LEOs collect evidence after a crime. (And write traffic tickets.) They are almost never around when you are actually being victimized. No offense to LEOs on the board, but it's true. It's not actually their job to be our bodyguards. This has been upheld by the courts.
But their value is in apprehending a criminal so the next victim is protected, and in this part this sheriff failed.
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Agree. It is not the job of government to save us.