PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 07:44:51 AM
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From a few anecdotal stories, I've ascertained that it's about 4-5 days from exposure to positive C-19 test result. What is curiously missing in the stories is the vaccination status of the individuals involved. It seems they selectively release their status when the person is unvaccinated and withhold when they are a breakthrough case.
What is the official policy on contact tracing? Is the CDC still doing it? Is it administered by the State?
BOTTOM LINE: COVID Vaccines aren't working. Latest data has it in the 40's percentile (I personally think it was never above 1% but that's a personal belief without supporting data). There are several article now in MSM hailing it in the 40's, so I didn't post any- take your pick.
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It seems they selectively release their status when the person is unvaccinated and withhold when they are a breakthrough case.
Ya think?
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The latest is from the State leader of an organization of which I am a member about a member exposing others at a recent event. I cautioned him at the onset of the release of the vaccines on his advice to get vaccinated, 'are you going to accept responsibility for your advice?' He said that he would consider my words and I left it at that.
Fast forward- Every once in awhile a member is reported to have C-19, no vaccination status reported.
Where is the threshold point where scientist will say: the risks outweigh the benefits? I think never, because the tail is wagging the dog.
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What is the official policy on contact tracing? Is the CDC still doing it? Is it administered by the State?
I believe that maskachusetts is still doing contact tracing.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/learn-about-the-community-tracing-collaborative
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Where is the threshold point where scientist will say: the risks outweigh the benefits? I think never, because the tail is wagging the dog.
a - follow. . . the. . . money
b - never
c - a & b
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BOTTOM LINE: COVID Vaccines aren't working. Latest data has it in the 40's percentile (I personally think it was never above 1% but that's a personal belief without supporting data). There are several article now in MSM hailing it in the 40's, so I didn't post any- take your pick.
I think when they talk about percent effectiveness, they mean you will have that much reduced symptoms. It doesn’t have anything to do with the likelihood you will transmit it or the percent it reduces spread in the population. But the media doesn’t make this clear.
I think you are right, the actual effectiveness in preventing spread is probably around 1%. But they keep telling us we need to get vaccinated to stop the spread. That’s deliberately misleading us.
We’ve been told on this forum by Steingar IIRC and maybe others that reduced symptoms means reduced viral load and hence reduced chance of transmitting, but it appears the aggregate case numbers are not backing that up. Populations with high vaccination rates are still getting the disease just as much, they blame it on “variants” but the fact remains the vaccines aren’t stopping the spread at all.
What DOES stop the spread, apparently, is for no one to be vaccinated, everyone get together and let the disease infect everyone and get most people naturally immune. Last I heard the Amish are over covid and getting back to normal because they did just that. But we aren’t allowed to know that because it wasn’t a “scientifically controlled double blind peer reviewed study”. So just ignore that and keep getting jabbed, the drug companies need to keep the $billions coming.
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COVID is now so prevalent in our society that I'm not at all certain what contact tracing would achieve.
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COVID is now so prevalent in our society that I'm not at all certain what contact tracing would achieve.
Well now it's about proving the lie and the cover up.
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COVID is now so prevalent in our society that I'm not at all certain what contact tracing would achieve.
Agreed. I don’t think it is being done at all any more, particularly since the execution of any contract tracing 18 months ago started out as a total failure, and never got any better.
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Apple loaded a contract tracing feature onto my iPhone without my permission. But it is turned off by default.
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Apple loaded a contract tracing feature onto my iPhone without my permission. But it is turned off by default.
actually, no. You agreed to the update. It was well know that exposure notification was part of that update many moons ago.
It is interesting that even states like maskachusetts don't have the ability to use that "feature" of the iOS. I'm not sure if any states use it.
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actually, no. You agreed to the update. It was well know that exposure notification was part of that update many moons ago.
It is interesting that even states like maskachusetts don't have the ability to use that "feature" of the iOS. I'm not sure if any states use it.
What option do I have? Throw away my expensive phone and buy an android? Not update it and have it degrade into oblivion? I don’t see agreeing to their terms as real consent of any kind.
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There’s a guy suing Apple to get them to buy his phone back for this reason.
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There’s a guy suing Apple to get them to buy his phone back for this reason.
Good, I hope he wins. I doubt he will though.
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What option do I have? Throw away my expensive phone and buy an android? Not update it and have it degrade into oblivion? I don’t see agreeing to their terms as real consent of any kind.
just for you Rush...
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
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just for you Rush...
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/11/14
That’s exactly how it goes. And if you wait too long it’ll get it’s revenge. Right now I’m holding off updating to iOS 15.1 because heard that once you do they have eliminated the option to downgrade back if it’s too buggy. But other sources say you can. I don’t understand all this and get big anxiety attacks every time my Apple devices bug me to upgrade. I hate technology. I hate Apple.
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Where is the threshold point where scientist will say: the risks outweigh the benefits? I think never, because the tail is wagging the dog.
Some scientists have been noting this about many of the Covid-19 interventions from the beginning. But sadly public policy in the US has very little to so with rational evaluation of the facts.
And with respect to the vaccines the risks and benefits are close enough that this really needs to be an individual choice.
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I think when they talk about percent effectiveness, they mean you will have that much reduced symptoms.
Most of the early studies looked at relative risk of being infected. This was determined in large cohorts, one of which received the vaccine and another the placebo.
These showed an early effectiveness in the 90-95% reduction of your chances of infection. That was against the initial variants.
It seems to be dropping off now.
They have also started measuring the likelihood of having a serious bad outcome if you are infected depending on whether you have been vaccinated or not.
It seems that is likely the main benefit presently. And that benefit may be obtainable by vaccination immediately upon noticing symptoms. But I don’t think the data is so clear on this yet.