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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 15, 2016, 09:49:30 AM

Title: Self Defense
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 15, 2016, 09:49:30 AM
So, except for someone being a wisenheimer a-hole (or a complete moron), everyone appears to agree that we have a right to defend ourselves.

What are good methods for self defense?

(This is too open-ended for a poll question)

If the list would be too long, how about characteristics of a good method for self defense?

Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: Mase on August 15, 2016, 10:47:14 AM
The first thing you learn at concealed-carry training is avoidance.
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: LevelWing on August 15, 2016, 11:07:43 AM
The first thing you learn at concealed-carry training is avoidance.
I agree that not being there in the first place is always the best idea. But you don't always get that option so when you are faced with having to defend yourself you should have the means to do it.

As for what methods to defend yourself, I would think that's all dependent upon the situation. Carrying a gun and having your CCW is a smart idea. Nobody else needs to know that you have it, either. That's why in states like Arizona, Texas, etc. it's safe to assume that everyone has a gun (a lot of people do).
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: Number7 on August 16, 2016, 06:53:53 AM

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Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: JeffDG on August 16, 2016, 07:00:57 AM
The two most important weapons you have for self-defense are:


1)  Eyes
2)  Ears


Know what's happening around you.  That knowledge will let you avoid problems, or if unavoidable, permit you to react as quickly and effectively as possible.
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2016, 07:17:58 AM
The first thing you learn at concealed-carry training is avoidance.
The second thing you learn is if you must shoot, shoot to kill, center mass. 
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: bflynn on August 17, 2016, 05:23:00 AM
The good methods for self defense are the ones that work.

Everyone, even liberal, agree in the right to self defense.  What they want to do is limit the amount of force you can apply during self defense, very likely to the point of placing you at a disadvantage.  It is morally deficient of them to do this - if ANYONE is harmed because their ability to defend themselves was limited, the fault is on the liberals for limiting the means of defense.  It is immoral to insist that someone else defend themselves at a disadvantage, potentially resulting in their death.

I would extend this to the anti-gun hysteria which causes people not to carry guns or which causes people not to be proficient with guns.

We do not have a gun problem.  We have a violent people problem because people believe that violent behavior is acceptable.  Switzerland has a gun ownership rate much higher than the US, but their murder rate with guns is less than 1/3 ours.  It's not about gun ownership.
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 17, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
[snipperoo]
We do not have a gun problem.  We have a violent people problem because people believe that violent behavior is acceptable.  Switzerland has a gun ownership rate much higher than the US, but their murder rate with guns is less than 1/3 ours.  It's not about gun ownership.

to pile on a bit.  A while back I read something about Japan vs the USA wrt guns and homicides.  IIRC, for the year (2008?) the US murder rate was eight times higher than Japan's.  If you were ignore the US murders done using firearms (and made the foolish assumption that the would-be murderer wouldn't find some other weapon to use), the US murder rate would still be three times higher than Japan's.

Again, it's not about the gun.



Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: Jaybird180 on August 17, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
to pile on a bit.  A while back I read something about Japan vs the USA wrt guns and homicides.  IIRC, for the year (2008?) the US murder rate was eight times higher than Japan's.  If you were ignore the US murders done using firearms (and made the foolish assumption that the would-be murderer wouldn't find some other weapon to use), the US murder rate would still be three times higher than Japan's.

Again, it's not about the gun.

Do you recall any suppositions about the cause for the increased aggression on one's "neighbor"?
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 17, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
Do you recall any suppositions about the cause for the increased aggression on one's "neighbor"?

one supposition from the author was cultural homogeneity of Japan vs the USA.  Emphasis on supposition.   However, that would be inconsistent with the difference in murder rates for Chicago vs Houston
Title: Re: Self Defense
Post by: Anthony on October 24, 2016, 01:09:22 AM
The second thing you learn is if you must shoot, shoot to kill, center mass.

I would change that to "shoot to stop the threat".  That is how I was taught.  A jury would possibly hang you for "shooting to kill". 

I was also taught avoidance, and escape, and evade tactics.  I rather get out of Dodge then stand and risk my life.  If you can't avoid, nor evade then that is another story.  I think it is wise to carry a non-lethal form of self defense like pepper spray in addition to your firearm.  When hiking, pepper spray is a good defense against stray, or feral dogs, as well as wise ass teenagers, and yes I have been harassed on trails by wise ass teenagers in groups.