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Title: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2018, 06:32:53 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/03/16/flake-is-considering-challenging-trump-in-2020-n2461547

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Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Little Joe on March 16, 2018, 06:54:44 AM
What an appropriate name.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
It is SO hard to remain relevant when your only attribute is being a progressive republican, hating Trump.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: LevelWing on March 16, 2018, 02:25:43 PM
Not even Republicans want to see him run. However, he did have one statement that had some truth to it:
Quote from: Jeff Flake/Townhall.com
He also said the blind loyalty to Trump shown by many of his fellow Republican colleagues means the GOP “might not deserve to lead.”

There's certainly something to be said for the way certain people blindly follow Trump and never question him. Even still, Flake is not the guy who anybody wants to see running for president.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2018, 02:59:21 PM
Not even Republicans want to see him run. However, he did have one statement that had some truth to it:
There's certainly something to be said for the way certain people blindly follow Trump and never question him. Even still, Flake is not the guy who anybody wants to see running for president.
Who in Congress is blindly following Trump?  I think that’s a bullshit statement by Flake. To the contrary, Trump has had to force the hand of both the House and Senate to get anything done. The insurgent factor in Congress is huge, and for most of the first year they failed to implement Trump’s plans, like repealing Obamacare, building the ducking wall, and many other things.

Congress is FINALLY realizing that they need SOME results before the November 18 elections, so they passed the tax bill.

McConnell continues to slow walk Trump nominees, and is unwilling to play hardball with the democrats.

Trump had had successes despite Congress, not because of Congress.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 16, 2018, 05:12:51 PM
President Flake.  :o
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2018, 05:46:43 PM
Who in Congress is blindly following Trump?  I think that’s a bullshit statement by Flake. To the contrary, Trump has had to force the hand of both the House and Senate to get anything done. The insurgent factor in Congress is huge, and for most of the first year they failed to implement Trump’s plans, like repealing Obamacare, building the ducking wall, and many other things.

Congress is FINALLY realizing that they need SOME results before the November 18 elections, so they passed the tax bill.

McConnell continues to slow walk Trump nominees, and is unwilling to play hardball with the democrats.

Trump had had successes despite Congress, not because of Congress.

 Well said.

 
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2018, 06:08:45 PM
And here are those "blindly following Trump" going ahead and funding sanctuary cities.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/16/gop-sanctuary-cities-omnibus-bill/

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Republican leadership is going to fund sanctuary cities in the must-pass spending bill next week, giving Democrats a huge victory while simultaneously undercutting conservatives who put them in power, a senior GOP aide told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

“House and Senate leadership has rolled over and played dead on border security. When it comes to a border wall, they say it is not our problem. When it comes to funding sanctuary cities, they say it is not our problem. What they are essentially saying is we are going to pass bills with more Democrats than Republicans,” the aide told TheDCNF. “This is a sign to administration that leadership doesn’t care what the White House wants. Even though GOP members ran on these issues. Conservatives mean it. The administration means it.”

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Early drafts of the spending bill, which are being kept under “lock and key,” a GOP aide told TheDCNF, include Planned Parenthood funding, Obamacare subsidies, gun control legislation, a large tax on internet sales, and a host of other policies completely against Republican campaign promises.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
I will not miss Paul Ryan one bit.

The guy is pure swamp just like McConnell.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: LevelWing on March 17, 2018, 03:34:56 AM
Who in Congress is blindly following Trump?  I think that’s a bullshit statement by Flake. To the contrary, Trump has had to force the hand of both the House and Senate to get anything done. The insurgent factor in Congress is huge, and for most of the first year they failed to implement Trump’s plans, like repealing Obamacare, building the ducking wall, and many other things.
I should have specified and said I was mainly talking about the general public.

Congress is FINALLY realizing that they need SOME results before the November 18 elections, so they passed the tax bill.
No doubt Congress is their own worst enemy. A Republican majority in each chamber, even if small in the Senate, should be able to work a deal to get things passed. I understand having to compromise on the Senate side given the numbers, but there's just not much happening. The tax bill was a good bill and people are starting to see the benefits of it. But the whole repeal of Obamacare is going to be a black eye for Republicans this fall.

McConnell continues to slow walk Trump nominees, and is unwilling to play hardball with the democrats.
Which nominees? Trump has had a record number of judges confirmed in his first year, according to a Time and Axios article, more than both Obama and Bush in their first year in office. If you're referring to his cabinet nominees, then I'll agree that most of them took a lot longer than Obama's did.

Link: http://time.com/5066679/donald-trump-federal-judges-record/

Trump had had successes despite Congress, not because of Congress.
No doubt he's had successes, but I'm just shocked at the level of defense he gets over comments he makes. It's never "Well, that was a dumb comment", instead it's always how he's playing some big, elaborate game and he's secretly playing the Democrats.

But more on topic, I don't think we'll see Flake run in 2020. Like I've said before, no matter what dumb things the Republicans do, the Democrats always have an answer that somehow is dumber than whatever the Republicans do.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Anthony on March 17, 2018, 06:46:43 AM
Flake isn't running for senate again because he is 20 points behind his opponent in the primary.  His only play now to stay relevant is to run for President, and get all the media attention because of it.  He has no shot, he knows he has not shot.  He is another career politician desperate for his next gig. 
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Number7 on March 17, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
Flake isn't running for senate again because he is 20 points behind his opponent in the primary.  His only play now to stay relevant is to run for President, and get all the media attention because of it.  He has no shot, he knows he has not shot.  He is another career politician desperate for his next gig.

At best he'll be a rounding error in the primary, should he be able to stay in the race long enough to get to a primary - any primary.

The pathetic snowflake will make Lindsey Graham's run look legitimate.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: bflynn on March 17, 2018, 02:54:05 PM
Was curious about this - it seems an outrageous thing to do or say.  The Senator is 20 points behind in his primary and isn't very popular with his party.  It seems really odd that he would even consider a presidential run, especially against a sitting president of his own party.

The entire thing came from an offhand remark.  Senator Flake was asked directly if he intended to run for president.  His reply was that he had not ruled it out.    That is not at all the same as saying "I'm considering it". 

Everyone is riled up over basically nothing. 
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: nddons on March 19, 2018, 06:14:17 PM
I should have specified and said I was mainly talking about the general public.
No doubt Congress is their own worst enemy. A Republican majority in each chamber, even if small in the Senate, should be able to work a deal to get things passed. I understand having to compromise on the Senate side given the numbers, but there's just not much happening. The tax bill was a good bill and people are starting to see the benefits of it. But the whole repeal of Obamacare is going to be a black eye for Republicans this fall.
Which nominees? Trump has had a record number of judges confirmed in his first year, according to a Time and Axios article, more than both Obama and Bush in their first year in office. If you're referring to his cabinet nominees, then I'll agree that most of them took a lot longer than Obama's did.

Link: http://time.com/5066679/donald-trump-federal-judges-record/
No doubt he's had successes, but I'm just shocked at the level of defense he gets over comments he makes. It's never "Well, that was a dumb comment", instead it's always how he's playing some big, elaborate game and he's secretly playing the Democrats.

But more on topic, I don't think we'll see Flake run in 2020. Like I've said before, no matter what dumb things the Republicans do, the Democrats always have an answer that somehow is dumber than whatever the Republicans do.
I don’t know where you live, but here in Wisconsin I don’t hear any blind support of Trump. Conservative talk radio is huge in SE Wisconsin, and given that the state went for Cruz, they were never big Trump supporters. They call it like they see them, and they have had to remind some of us about the good things Frump has accomplished even while they are moaning about his stupid tweets and statements.

Eliminate the insufferable Trumpsters Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram from the mix, and I see very little Trump maniacs in the general populace. I consider the Trump supporters to generally be the quiet majority.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Little Joe on March 24, 2018, 05:21:17 AM
I don’t know where you live, but here in Wisconsin I don’t hear any blind support of Trump.
Same here.  Talk shows often discuss the stupid or questionable stuff Trump days or does.  Often times I have to look down to see what station I am listening to.  Often it is FOX.  The only "Blind Support" I see being given is on the leftist media.  Even in talks with friends that are Trump supporters, they often express dissatisfaction with something he says or does.  The real frustration is listening to leftists bash EVERYTHING about him, even if they previously express support for what he said.  The most obvious issue now is that since he is supporting the Dreamers, the leftists are completely silent on the issue, even though the last shutdown was supposedly all about defending the dreamers.  All they know is that they hate Trump and will fuck the country to hurt him.  Then they have the gall to say he hates everyone that is not like him (white, male).
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Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Anthony on March 24, 2018, 06:32:02 AM
Flake is a douche.  Nothing more.
Title: Re: Flake Considers Taking on Trump in 2020
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2018, 06:45:02 AM
Flake is a douche.  Nothing more.

 But he is so appropriately named.  ;D