PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on March 15, 2016, 06:52:50 AM
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http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/republican-wimps-absolve-the-rioters/
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Just applying Trumpy's own standards to himself.
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Donald Trump was against free speech before he was for free speech:
March 15, 2016
When Trump Blamed Pamela Geller for Inciting Violence
By Daniel John Sobieski
"Donald Trump, who denies that his provocative and sometimes profane rhetoric (particularly against Muslims_ has anything to do with violence and protests at his University of Illinois-Chicago rally, once blamed conservative activist Pamela Geller for provoking an attempted armed assault by – wait for it – unnecessarily provoking Muslims.
"As Gideon Resnick noted last December in the Daily Beast, pre-candidate Trump was not as passionately concerned with Pamela Geller’s First Amendment free speech rights as he now is about his own:
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Trump was dead wrong IMO to suggest that she should have considered self-censoring since the whole point of her event was to highlight the intolerance of Muslims, and she was right to do so, AND the resulting attack clearly demonstrated the very intolerance she was pointing out.
For the record, I remember when this happened and recall all the handwringing from all sides, Trump was not alone in being wrong about her event.
Pamela Gellar has precious few friends in the establishment, I really like her and respect her work.
'Gimp
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Trump was dead wrong IMO to suggest that she should have considered self-censoring since the whole point of her event was to highlight the intolerance of Muslims, and she was right to do so, AND the resulting attack clearly demonstrated the very intolerance she was pointing out.
For the record, I remember when this happened and recall all the handwringing from all sides, Trump was not alone in being wrong about her event.
Pamela Gellar has precious few friends in the establishment, I really like her and respect her work.
'Gimp
Thanks for saying that. I think the hypocrisy is stunning for the man who has built his campaign for POTUS on not being politically correct.
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I don't think the "wimps" have absolved anybody. They are making a correct observation. Words sometimes have consequences and when you spew the crap Trump does and it makes people mad, sometimes some will rise up, organize and come after you. It just is what it is. If you want to blast out fiery rhetoric that enrages people, yet you want people to be safe at your public event, hire better security.
This whole episode does illustrate what I've been saying. A Trump candidate on the ballot in November will energize the left to turn out in numbers. By nominating Trump, the GOP will hand the presidency to Hillary. The fact that people are organizing to the level they are just to stop his events now, does sort of indicate what is to come.
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I don't think the "wimps" have absolved anybody. They are making a correct observation. Words sometimes have consequences and when you spew the crap Trump does and it makes people mad, sometimes some will rise up, organize and come after you. It just is what it is. If you want to blast out fiery rhetoric that enrages people, yet you want people to be safe at your public event, hire better security.
This whole episode does illustrate what I've been saying. A Trump candidate on the ballot in November will energize the left to turn out in numbers. By nominating Trump, the GOP will hand the presidency to Hillary. The fact that people are organizing to the level they are just to stop his events now, does sort of indicate what is to come.
There's an interesting article today by Rich Lowry:
Our George Wallace
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432797/donald-trump-george-wallace-2016
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In other words, blowhard liberals are allowed to disrupt, threaten and pillage at republican events and Trump is at fault because he hurt them with his words. Some of you guys should really read what you write sometimes. F the protesters.
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In other words, blowhard liberals are allowed to disrupt, threaten and pillage at republican events and Trump is at fault because he hurt them with his words. Some of you guys should really read what you write sometimes. F the protesters.
Just applying his own standard, that he espoused wrt Geller, to him.
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Just applying his own standard, that he espoused wrt Geller, to him.
That's a very weak parallel the article draws Jeff, between what Geller did and Trump's supposed "provocation". Shutting off immigration from Muslim countries until we can reasonably assure that murderers can be effectively screened out is not an unreasonable thing to consider, not sure I would advocate for it, but it certainly would be reasonable to discuss. Whereas Geller certainly knew that her contest would provoke wack jobs into acting out. Not even close.
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That's a very weak parallel the article draws Jeff, between what Geller did and Trump's supposed "provocation". Shutting off immigration from Muslim countries until we can reasonably assure that murderers can be effectively screened out is not an unreasonable thing to consider, not sure I would advocate for it, but it certainly would be reasonable to discuss. Whereas Geller certainly knew that her contest would provoke wack jobs into acting out. Not even close.
However, you seem to be forgetting Trumps exhortations to his followers to beat the crap out of people and such.
He thinks that rhetoric causes violence for Geller, but not for him. That's hypocricy, but pretty much par for the course for Trump.
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However, you seem to be forgetting Trumps exhortations to his followers to beat the crap out of people and such.
He thinks that rhetoric causes violence for Geller, but not for him. That's hypocricy, but pretty much par for the course for Trump.
Oh come on, exhortations to violence? Have we all become pussies? The closest he came was with the tomato comment and "knock the hell out of them". These guys are going to these rallies to cause trouble, then they cry like little pussies for the press when they get whacked back. I just watched a video of a fat guy who claimed he was being attacked, every time he got up he'd go for someone swinging, he got we he begged for, then he acts like a martyr in front of the cameras.
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In other words, blowhard liberals are allowed to disrupt, threaten and pillage at republican events and Trump is at fault because he hurt them with his words. Some of you guys should really read what you write sometimes. F the protesters.
Who here is supporting the protesters?? Some of you guys should think before you type. ::)
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Who here is supporting the protesters?? Some of you guys should think before you type. ::)
Where did I say someone here is supporting the protesters? Some should read before they type.
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Where did I say someone here is supporting the protesters? Some should read before they type.
I don't think the problem is just that people don't read, it is just that everyone is looking at each situation through blinders that only let them see what they want to see.
I don't think it is unreasonable for people (or politicians for that matter) to change their minds. I was always a little embarrassed about that sound bite about Kerry (he was for it before he was against it), even though I disagreed with him both times.
And again I will say, I totally lose respect for people that say "in other words" then proceed to say something completely different, or take something out of context or make an invalid comparison or refuse to acknowledge differences in degree.
btw, I voted for Trump today. Not because I am angry, but because I can't stand Cruz. He looks and acts like a weasel. And because I don't feel Rubio or Kasich have a chance. But I'd like to see either or both of them drop out to save their dignity and run again at the next opportunity (4 or 8 years, depending on what happens in November).
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Where did I say someone here is supporting the protesters? Some should read before they type.
Well, I support the protesters, as long as they protest legally.
I've been a protester myself, and the First Amendment enshrines that right.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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Well, I support the protesters, as long as they protest legally.
I've been a protester myself, and the First Amendment enshrines that right.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I could be wrong, but I think he meant the protesters that were inciting the violence.
Do you support that?
But I do agree with you that the right to protest is a valuable right, as long as it is done properly.
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I don't think the problem is just that people don't read, it is just that everyone is looking at each situation through blinders that only let them see what they want to see.
I don't think it is unreasonable for people (or politicians for that matter) to change their minds. I was always a little embarrassed about that sound bite about Kerry (he was for it before he was against it), even though I disagreed with him both times.
And again I will say, I totally lose respect for people that say "in other words" then proceed to say something completely different, or take something out of context or make an invalid comparison or refuse to acknowledge differences in degree.
btw, I voted for Trump today. Not because I am angry, but because I can't stand Cruz. He looks and acts like a weasel. And because I don't feel Rubio or Kasich have a chance. But I'd like to see either or both of them drop out to save their dignity and run again at the next opportunity (4 or 8 years, depending on what happens in November).
Rubio's political career is done, unless he pulls out and helps to elect Cruz and gets a position with a Cruz administration.
He is leaving a Senate seat that is now going to a democrat - all for nothing. Thanks a lot. Idiot.
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I could be wrong, but I think he meant the protesters that were inciting the violence.
Do you support that?
To the extent that they were, that's wrong and possibly illegal, and I do not support that.
Though admittedly when I protested the Vietnam War, things did get out of hand sometimes, and I was not blameless.
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Rubio's political career is done, unless he pulls out and helps to elect Cruz and gets a position with a Cruz administration.
He is leaving a Senate seat that is now going to a democrat - all for nothing. Thanks a lot. Idiot.
Just to be clear, are you calling me the idiot, or are you calling Cruz the idiot?
And why do you think his senate seat will go to a Democrat? Our governor is a Repbulican.
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To the extent that they were, that's wrong and possibly illegal, and I do not support that.
Though admittedly when I protested the Vietnam War, things did get out of hand sometimes, and I was not blameless.
Ah, were you one of the hippies spitting on the soldiers? I actually saw this happen in Boston when I was about 7 or 8 and I remember it to this day and I remember thinking what type of asshole would do that.
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Ah, were you one of the hippies spitting on the soldiers? I actually saw this happen in Boston when I was about 7 or 8 and I remember it to this day and I remember thinking what type of asshole would do that.
I was about 25 when I saw it, and I thought the same thing you did.
I too protested the Vietnam war (after I supported it), but I respected the soldiers that answered their country's call.
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Ah, were you one of the hippies spitting on the soldiers?
NEVER!
I had been in Air Force ROTC and respected and felt pity for the soldiers that were being sent to fight and die in a lost cause.
I like to think that the vocal opposition to the war kept that monument in Washington from being maybe twice the size it ended up being. 58,000 was tragic enough.
And I respect that others feel differently. Or those who feel it might have been winnable.
But it was a long time ago, and I'm ready to call "bygones".
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Just to be clear, are you calling me the idiot, or are you calling Cruz the idiot?
And why do you think his senate seat will go to a Democrat? Our governor is a Repbulican.
No, no! I'm calling Rubio the idiot.
I've heard that caustic Alan Grayson of all people has a good chance for Rubio's senate seat, though I'll admit in haven't checked any polling numbers.
Just in: Rubio suspends. Is it too late? Maybe.
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No, no! I'm calling Rubio the idiot.
I've heard that caustic Alan Grayson of all people has a good chance for Rubio's senate seat, though I'll admit in haven't checked any polling numbers.
Just in: Rubio suspends. Is it too late? Maybe.
I thought Grayson has some serious ethics issues right now?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-22/house-ethics-investigating-florida-democratic-rep-grayson
I suppose that just make him a better candidate. ::)
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NEVER!
I had been in Air Force ROTC and respected and felt pity for the soldiers that were being sent to fight and die in a lost cause.
I like to think that the vocal opposition to the war kept that monument in Washington from being maybe twice the size it ended up being. 58,000 was tragic enough.
And I respect that others feel differently. Or those who feel it might have been winnable.
But it was a long time ago, and I'm ready to call "bygones".
It was a messed up time, I didn't think you would disrespect those who served, I'm glad I was right.
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I thought Grayson has some serious ethics issues right now?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-02-22/house-ethics-investigating-florida-democratic-rep-grayson
I suppose that just make him a better candidate. ::)
Pffft. That's a resume enhancer for any democrat. Look at who's their leading presidential candidate.
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Well, I support the protesters, as long as they protest legally.
I've been a protester myself, and the First Amendment enshrines that right.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
They weren't protesters at the Trump event, they were disruptors, Protesters carry signs, and chant, peacefully, not taunt, and punch Trump supporters and cause mayhem to shutdown free speech.