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Spin Zone / Re: Are liberals right? No significant voting fraud?
« on: January 27, 2017, 12:14:09 PM »
I would think that liberals that honestly believe voter fraud is minuscule would get behind this to prove their point.  Only if someone thinks that they have something to hide would they resist.

I thought liberals were all about looking for voter fraud. Wasn't that why Jill Stein did all the recounts in the blue belt states?  If they were behind that, shouldn't they be all for what Trump's doing?

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Spin Zone / Re: Are liberals right? No significant voting fraud?
« on: January 27, 2017, 10:07:36 AM »
Voting records are generally public data. We could already find out whether people voted in two states.

Crossed with my post.  Yes, but are we doing this?  Has anyone made up an EDI for all the states, imported the data and written a query looking for this?  I'd be surprised.

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Spin Zone / Re: Are liberals right? No significant voting fraud?
« on: January 27, 2017, 10:05:27 AM »
I'm alright with the investigation as long as the results are published fairly no matter the outcome. I do think it's important to note that being registered to vote in two states is not illegal, something that Mr. Bannon knows to be true since he did it. Our voter rolls are garbage, so there is no efficient system to do something as simple as remove voters from the roll once they move to another location. If we had a modern opt-out system with information sharing, that might be different.

This seems to be true.  I was in the process of moving to Texas during the primaries last year.  I ended up voting in the NC primary.  When I got to Texas I registered in Texas.  Then I got a ballot in the mail from NC because they were doing a runoff or a re-vote or something.  I was to fill it out and mail it back.  I called the election board in NC and told them my primary residence is now Texas and I should be removed from the NC voter rolls.  She did so and asked me to just tear up the ballot.

As far as I know, if I had not called and asked to be removed, my name would still be on the rolls.  There would be nothing stopping me from voting early in Texas, then flying back to NC and voting.  Or if I didn't, somebody else impersonating me and voting under my name.  As far as I know, the states do not compare databases to look for this sort of thing.



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Spin Zone / Re: At core, what is a liberal?
« on: January 24, 2017, 06:57:28 AM »
I clicked on here thinking you'd be soliciting answers.

Actually I am.  I don't agree with everything this guy says.  I think he nails the fundamentals, such as the expectation that we all should have equally good outcomes and that this is even possible, but without critical analysis of how we're supposed to achieve that. 

Liberalism used to at least have a vision of some future utopia, and today it's based on nothing more than, "If it's America, it's evil.  If it's successful, it's evil (unless it's in the entertainment industry). If it's Western Civilization, it's evil. If it's Christian (or Judaism), it's evil. If it's white straight male, it's evil. If it's fossil fuel energy, it's evil," and so on, because these ideas are now woven into the culture so tightly the younger generations don't even question it, like the fish doesn't question the water.

I was a liberal as a young person when the vision was there.  I still am on many social issues. But when it came to wealth redistribution and economic collectivism, I questioned the logic of how this would actually work in the real world. No liberal could give me a convincing description of how it could end in anything but failure.  To this day they can't.  I always had trouble understanding why they cling to those beliefs despite this, but this video somewhat explains why. 

So maybe I'm soliciting thoughts on that. If you're a liberal and you believe for example, money should be taken from those who earn it and given to those who don't, how do you reconcile that with the natural human tendency to then stop working if what you earn is taken from you, and to stop working if support is just given to you?  The whole of society's productivity declines because incentive is taken away.  How do you NOT see that?  The answer in this video is, because you're brainwashed from the age of 5 to not think too hard about it.  I guess I'm wondering if you agree with that, or if not, what's your alternative explanation?

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Spin Zone / At core, what is a liberal?
« on: January 23, 2017, 09:20:05 PM »
This is a fascinating listen, if you can get past the first couple of minutes.  Gets down to the bedrock of modern liberalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

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Spin Zone / Re: Good guy with a gun
« on: January 23, 2017, 04:43:18 PM »
TWO good guys with guns.  Too bad one of them was fatally wounded.  But YAY for my fellow gun loving Texans.  We were in San Antonio yesterday, though not near that mall.  We went to see the Alamo.

I love stories like this; citizens standing up to criminal scum. 

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Spin Zone / Re: The Return of Camelot
« on: January 23, 2017, 09:27:04 AM »
Agree also.  I voted against Trump in the primary. Even now from my posts you can see my reservations about him.  But I sure voted for him against Hillary and I'm thrilled he beat her. That doesn't make me a robotic devotee.

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Spin Zone / Re: I'm still wondering ....
« on: January 23, 2017, 09:18:37 AM »
When you allow yourself to hear opinions outside the echo chamber of stupidity that is the left, you discover that people who ACTUALLY know Donald Trump say he is far more comfortable talking to bricklayers and painters than he is bankers and stock brokers, because he spent his life actually working around construction projects, instead of going to dinners and talking about who actually work for a living.

As for doing what he talked about: New Trump White House Website Sets Agenda That Mirrors Campaign Pledges

Revised website features issue pages for energy policy, foreign policy, economic policy, expanding the military, bolstering law enforcement and rethinking trade

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-trump-white-house-website-sets-agenda-that-mirrors-campaign-pledges-1484956089

Instead of embarking on an apology tour and picking up an empty Nobel prize, like the fucking dog, Obama, Trump seems to be actually working. What a shock. A working guy that works, instead of a fucking pansy that talks.

Yes and this is why I have hope.  I'm loving this.

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Spin Zone / Re: I'm still wondering ....
« on: January 23, 2017, 07:53:59 AM »
I'm hoping Trump doesn't turn out to be just another elite insider.  The fact that he's a billionaire while talking about the rich elite ignoring the rest of us non-billionaires is, of course, not lost on me.  So either he's going to screw the rest of us and buddy up with the Democrat (and Republican) insiders, or he's going to actually fulfill his promises to not ignore us anymore.  Still cautiously optimistic.  Hillary had already proven who she was; with Trump we've at least got a chance.

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Spin Zone / Re: It's "O"ver!
« on: January 22, 2017, 08:20:35 AM »

His message was everything is crap and only he can fix it....

That sounds very familiar. Like he was a Messiah or something.  Where have I seen this before.....?

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Spin Zone / Re: Inauguration Day
« on: January 21, 2017, 09:03:08 AM »
I hope Mark is jealous.  :)

Ha ha!

I had just read hotprops incredible story over there on PoA the moral being you should respect the President whether he is the one you voted for or not, and the thread was locked for precaution, not for any actual reason.  So ironic, when the whole reason PoA was created was to escape the heavy handed censorship on the red board. So it all came over here and guess what?  The world did not come to an end because somebody said "fuck".  Or because somebody suggests you should respect the office of the President. 

How I wish somebody would smack around these snowflakes like hotprops's father smacked him around.

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Spin Zone / Re: Inauguration Day
« on: January 21, 2017, 08:27:34 AM »
Go fuck yourself.


Not that I necessarily think you should have said that to him, it is so refreshing to have a forum where that isn't filtered, censored, deleted, thread locked and banned.

Fuck.

Fuck.

Fuck.

I can say this.    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Spin Zone / Re: OMG, the trigger words.......
« on: January 20, 2017, 06:27:59 PM »
I was working during the majority of the speech, and got a break when it was almost over. I only got to watch the end of the speech, when Obama shook Trump's hand and said "Good Job."

A true class act.

I did read the speech while on break. Trump makes a few good points, though I'm surprised any conservatives stand by it. He won't accomplish any of those things without some (sometimes major) form of government intervention.


Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!

Yeah, he sounds like a protectionist Democrat when talking about bringing back jobs. He IS the guy for the blue collar working man now.  He took it from the Dems because the Dems forsook them and now focus on gays and illegals and Muslim refugees and animals and trees and "the planet", anything BUT the ordinary working American citizen.

The good points you agree with might be the same ones I do, that it's time to return control of the country to the people rather than the wealthy and powerful elite class. This election wasn't about liberals vs conservatives. It's about us the people vs a governing class that has become completely out of touch with us, on both sides.

Agree about Obama and Michelle during the transition. Apparently they've been gracious to the incoming couple.  But we all need to remember, Trump is NOT a conservative. He's been on the liberal side of some issues before and supported some liberals, he can befriend liberals and work with them, so I'm not surprised there seems to be some warmth there.  Not saying he won't follow through with his conservative promises to lower taxes and reduce regulations, and build a wall and build back the military, but I think he can cross over on many other things more easily than say Cruz would have, which is what earned him the hate of some Republicans.

I'm still cautiously optimistic.

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Spin Zone / Re: Inauguration Day
« on: January 20, 2017, 10:31:47 AM »
Having moved an hour left, I missed it.  Turned it on just after the swearing in. :(
Still not used to this time zone.

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Spin Zone / Re: OMG, the trigger words.......
« on: January 20, 2017, 10:30:26 AM »
All the focus on the little people is exactly what traditional Democrats were all about.  If the left weren't hypocrites, they should love Trump. But today's leftists don't care about little people, they just care about staying in power.

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