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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 02, 2018, 07:41:48 AM

Title: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 02, 2018, 07:41:48 AM
Call me naively hopeful, but I think this is a good thing. Checked out their Facebook page and yesterday they were up to 28k people posting. And the posts are inspiring. These are mostly Democrats who have become Republicans or independents, having become appalled and disgusted at the Dems’ extreme hate and anti-Americanism.

And all started by a gay hairdresser from New York. So outside the narrative, so refreshing. May it continue to grow so much the MSM can’t ignore it!

Happy Monday!

https://pjmedia.com/trending/walkaway-campaign-urges-fed-up-democrats-to-leave-the-party/

And yes, I know. The core lefties will still, and probably always, howl and gnash.  It’s too early to get excited, but a little optimism might be in order.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 02, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
There are plenty who want to walk away from the GOP as well. I am hoping we are just about ready for a viable third party. The left fails by being economically liberal along with socially liberal. The right fails by being socially conservative and what used to be economically conservative(before Reagan), but it now wildly economically liberal.

We need a party which is an amalgam of Libertarian and republican. Some type of platform that not only recognizes the individual rights, but also the collective responsibility of fiscal and social restraint in the state.

The only issue I see with the walkaway group is that they will bring plenty of liberal economic baggage to the republican side, which lost their economic conservatism long ago. However, it appears a good start for those Dems who can no longer stomach the idiocrisy of their old party.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: asechrest on July 02, 2018, 08:28:36 AM

If my own self is any gauge, there is a sizeable contingent of busy folks who are taking a break from being "all-in" with politics. So this #WalkAway movement wasn't on my radar, but my #WalkAway moment was the election of 2016.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Little Joe on July 02, 2018, 10:18:24 AM
but my #WalkAway moment was the election of 2016.
I had two of those moments.

One in 2008, and another, more profound one in 2012.  Had Hillary won in 2016, I am not sure how I would have taken it.  But it wouldn't have been pretty.  Trump was about my 14th choice among Republicans in the primary, but even that was preferential to Hillary.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 02, 2018, 10:24:57 AM
Which leads to the subject of apathy from the left. Kennedy was a dynamic, and forceful man of strategic vision(even if he didn't accomplish much before dying). Johnson was a fill-in super-pol. Carter was just an epic disaster as a statesman, and economist. He deserves his spot in the sewer of history. Slick Willy had a good game, and some of the personal touch that could move people. For older Dems, I have to think that they look at the line-up on the left and think back and say; "this is it? Hillary? Biden? Schumer? Warren? And WTF are Pelosi and Waters doing in office? Where are the men/women of vision on the left? Where are the representatives of the working class in America? Where are the people who want nothing more than support for ALL families, and working folk? "

Identity politics will be the death of one party or the other. At this time, the left is fully and completely invested in identity politics. I hesitate to call it minority politics but really that is what has become of the ideals from the 50s and 60s that were mostly good, wholesome ideals. Johnson started down the rat hole with 'Great Society' which was aimed only at blacks. Each next offering had something for some segment; Carter was for the poor whites and blacks in the south. Slick Willy almost figured it out, but his wife and some others pushed him to places he didn't really want to go, like against gay marriage. He knows now that it was a mistake then. Too bad he didn't have Trump Balls of Steel.

If i were a working stiff in the upper midwest, or NY I'd be sitting on my hands this Nov. There is no one on the left right now that would make a working stiff go out and pull the lever for a Dem unless they are a strict lefty with a 'my party, right or wrong' streak. Weird.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Little Joe on July 02, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
. There is no one on the left right now that would make a working stiff go out and pull the lever for a Dem unless they are a strict lefty with a 'my party, right or wrong' streak. Weird.
Well, there are those with an (un)healthy dose of guilt for being successful and feel that all those that are worse off than themselves should be helped (by someone else).
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 02, 2018, 10:41:47 AM
Well, there are those with an (un)healthy dose of guilt for being successful and feel that all those that are worse off than themselves should be helped (by someone else).

Well said. The left is all too willing to play on that. We see it in Hollyweird, and the IT money titans. They have it so good, they can't imagine how or why they lucked into billions, and they think everyone should be a billionaire. Also, each of them is being led around by the ring in the nose to support something because it 'feels' good. The perfect example is this 'Universal wage' crock of shit. It's a Universal wage, except they aren't paying ME or YOU or anyone else who works hard and advances. "universal" means ALL OF US. But - every one of the programs I've seen started blocks that wage once a certain level of personal income is reached. WTF is universal about that?
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2018, 11:40:27 AM
Unfortunately, the only real, current alternative to the Democrats is a party that also wants to continue to grow government, and is fine with government over reach, control, deficits, and debt.  However, I could never bring myself to vote Democrat, especially considering their platform, and actions over the last several years, and even decades.


I hate to admit it, but in some ways Trump is a breath of fresh air, even being the bombastic, crass, childish, and egomaniacal person he is.  He is doing what he said he would do.  How many politicians do that?
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on July 02, 2018, 11:47:13 AM
I walked away (along with almost a third of other Florida voters and register3d as unaffiliated in 2005.
The parties have become cesspools of corruption.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 06:39:22 AM
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Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 06:49:02 AM
The Republican party left me years ago. The last Republican president I had any respect for was GHWB. W was barely competent, Trump isn't even that.

The Democratic party is in the process of leaving me behind now. Worst is the Medicare For All business which does NOTHING to curb the rising cost of health care and will either bankrupt the government or tax the middle class into poverty.

On a hike Sunday I was talking with some local progressives (most of Vermont seems to be Progressive) about the future of the Dem party. Of course they were ecstatic that it was being taken over by the far left, young progressives gaining control, etc. I could only shake my head. What do you want, another 4 years of Trump? That dog won't hunt in today's America.* The Dems need to move back toward the center. I like @lnvflatspin's proposal of libertarianism (small 'l' for me though) plus fiscal conservatism. That's generally where New England republicans fall - Gov. Phil Scott (R-VT) is one such.

But a third party? Hasn't been successful in 150 years. I couldn't see giving my vote to a candidate who has no chance of winning, especially if it helps someone I loathe. (Jill Stein voters in 2016 deserve a special place in Hell IMO.) Now that Trump owns the Republican party I'll probably stay with the Dems for national elections and vote Republican in the local contests.

*Though if Trump effs things up badly enough, Bernie or a Sanders style progressive might have a chance in 2020.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 06:58:29 AM

But a third party? Hasn't been successful in 150 years. I couldn't see giving my vote to a candidate who has no chance of winning, especially if it helps someone I loathe. (Jill Stein voters in 2016 deserve a special place in Hell IMO.) Now that Trump owns the Republican party I'll probably stay with the Dems for national elections and vote Republican in the local contests.


 So you will be voting for raising taxes, open borders and a return to low GDP and a stagnate economy, along with more increases to social programs?

*Though if Trump effs things up badly enough, Bernie or a Sanders style progressive might have a chance in 2020.

 Let's see, tax cuts, a booming economy, low unemployment, border security, reshaping of the SC and the lower courts.  Seems to me (and the folks of the US excluding the coastal progressives) that Trump's winning.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on July 03, 2018, 07:30:57 AM
The Republican party left me years ago. The last Republican president I had any respect for was GHWB. W was barely competent, Trump isn't even that.

*Though if Trump effs things up badly enough, Bernie or a Sanders style progressive might have a chance in 2020.

So what policies, and legislation has Trump signed that makes him incompetent?  What part of his platform makes him incompetent? 

What would Bernie bring that would make him competent?
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 03, 2018, 07:43:33 AM


But a third party? Hasn't been successful in 150 years. I couldn't see giving my vote to a candidate who has no chance of winning, especially if it helps someone I loathe. (Jill Stein voters in 2016 deserve a special place in Hell IMO.) Now that Trump owns the Republican party I'll probably stay with the Dems for national elections and vote Republican in the local contests.

*Though if Trump effs things up badly enough, Bernie or a Sanders style progressive might have a chance in 2020.

Well, one can hope for some kind of viable alternative to Dem and Rep. I think you have it backward on the local v national choice. From a federal perspective, we desperately need return to intl respect, control of our borders, balance of trade, and stop the hemorrhaging of American greatness. On a local level, I'm inclined to at least listen to my county liberal candidates. The national platform of the Dems is completely whacko.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on July 03, 2018, 08:02:47 AM
It pisses me off that the Dems, and the Media are saying that they economy is due to Obama, and not Trump, even after two, and a half years. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Username on July 03, 2018, 08:07:15 AM
It pisses me off that the Dems, and the Media are saying that they economy is due to Obama, and not Trump, even after two, and a half years.
To be fair, they also said that the horrible economy under Obama was due to Bush even after eight years.  After all, if it's good it's their wonderful policies.  If it's bad it's someone else's fault.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 09:21:02 AM
Briefly 'cause I'm on my way out:

I give Trump good marks on the economy. (he's only been in for 1.5 years though, not 2.5)

I give him low marks on truthfulness and leadership. His handling of Charlottesville was the low point of his presidency so far, IMO.

The jury is still out on North Korea, Russia, and his foreign policy in general.

He may eff things up for himself if he starts the trade war with Canada and Europe he seems intent on starting. The pushback from both Canada and China (who deserve the tariffs more) is targeted at states that Trump carried big.

I would only vote for a dem to keep Trump out, or someone as far right as he is. I would support a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican. But no one like that has a chance of getting the nomination in 2020.

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 09:29:37 AM

I give him low marks on truthfulness and leadership. His handling of Charlottesville was the low point of his presidency so far, IMO.


Yet that episode in Charlottesville and the President's remarks were taken out of context by the MSM.


The jury is still out on North Korea, Russia, and his foreign policy in general.

Any foreign policy is dicey especially when dealing with communist countries.  We are still recovering from 8 years of a foreign policy nightmare from a president and administration that did back door dealings, payoffs and policies that destabilized the middle east.

I would only vote for a dem to keep Trump out, or someone as far right as he is. I would support a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican. But no one like that has a chance of getting the nomination in 2020.

 So you would vote for a Kamala Harris, a Elizabeth Warren, a Corey Booker or even someone like Bloomberg?

 Tells me all I need to know.  ???
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
The Republican party left me years ago. The last Republican president I had any respect for was GHWB. W was barely competent, Trump isn't even that.

The Democratic party is in the process of leaving me behind now. Worst is the Medicare For All business which does NOTHING to curb the rising cost of health care and will either bankrupt the government or tax the middle class into poverty.

On a hike Sunday I was talking with some local progressives (most of Vermont seems to be Progressive) about the future of the Dem party. Of course they were ecstatic that it was being taken over by the far left, young progressives gaining control, etc. I could only shake my head. What do you want, another 4 years of Trump? That dog won't hunt in today's America.* The Dems need to move back toward the center. I like @lnvflatspin's proposal of libertarianism (small 'l' for me though) plus fiscal conservatism. That's generally where New England republicans fall - Gov. Phil Scott (R-VT) is one such.

But a third party? Hasn't been successful in 150 years. I couldn't see giving my vote to a candidate who has no chance of winning, especially if it helps someone I loathe. (Jill Stein voters in 2016 deserve a special place in Hell IMO.) Now that Trump owns the Republican party I'll probably stay with the Dems for national elections and vote Republican in the local contests.

*Though if Trump effs things up badly enough, Bernie or a Sanders style progressive might have a chance in 2020.
Can you list any factual examples of what Trump has done to make you declare him incompetent?  Yes, he has thoroughly pissed off a lot of people, and countries, but most of them deserved to be pissed off.

Do you believe the myth that Trump ordered ICE to separate all the kids from their parents when caught illegally crossing the border?  I ask because, just like so much else, that just ain't true.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 11:46:40 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/03/dnc-chair-socialist-ocasio-cortez-is-future-of-our-party/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 03, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
Briefly 'cause I'm on my way out:

I give Trump good marks on the economy. (he's only been in for 1.5 years though, not 2.5)

I give him low marks on truthfulness and leadership. His handling of Charlottesville was the low point of his presidency so far, IMO.

The jury is still out on North Korea, Russia, and his foreign policy in general.

He may eff things up for himself if he starts the trade war with Canada and Europe he seems intent on starting. The pushback from both Canada and China (who deserve the tariffs more) is targeted at states that Trump carried big.

I would only vote for a dem to keep Trump out, or someone as far right as he is. I would support a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican. But no one like that has a chance of getting the nomination in 2020.

Once again, I will respectfully disagree on foreign policy. I think he's done a masterful job so far. Tell Iran to pound sand, tell the EU to shape up on immigration, tell the junk science MMGw crowd to get bent, tell NATO to pay up, and the beginning of thaw with NK is only good. A few short months ago, they were rattling sabres, and shooting missiles over Japan, setting off nuke tests. Now, they are sitting at tables, and talking with SK, China, and Trump. I think anything we get on reducing NK nukes will just be bonus.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 02:11:22 PM


Yet that episode in Charlottesville and the President's remarks were taken out of context by the MSM.
Yes the MSM spun his remarks in the worst possible light, but he did a piss poor job of clarifying what he meant. Gross insensitivity in a president is a serious flaw IMO.

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Any foreign policy is dicey especially when dealing with communist countries.  We are still recovering from 8 years of a foreign policy nightmare from a president and administration that did back door dealings, payoffs and policies that destabilized the middle east.
No argument there.
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So you would vote for a Kamala Harris, a Elizabeth Warren, a Corey Booker or even someone like Bloomberg?
It's unlikely any of them will be the dem candidate in 2020 IMO. But if it was one of them vs. Trump... that would be a tough call, and one I don't want to have to make.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 02:18:43 PM
Yes the MSM spun his remarks in the worst possible light, but he did a piss poor job of clarifying what he meant. Gross insensitivity in a president is a serious flaw IMO.

 What a load of bullshit.  You're spouting straight liberal talking points.

It's unlikely any of them will be the dem candidate in 2020 IMO. But if it was one of them vs. Trump... that would be a tough call, and one I don't want to have to make.

 A tough call?  Seriously?  YGTBSM

 So you would vote for tax increases, open borders and more government social programs, as well as going back to idiotic foreign policies?

 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 02:40:29 PM
Can you list any factual examples of what Trump has done to make you declare him incompetent?  Yes, he has thoroughly pissed off a lot of people, and countries, but most of them deserved to be pissed off.

Do you believe the myth that Trump ordered ICE to separate all the kids from their parents when caught illegally crossing the border?  I ask because, just like so much else, that just ain't true.
Well, the most recent example of his incompetence imo IS the border family policy debacle. I don't know or care whether he explicitly ordered the separations, but they were the outcome, Sessions certainly considered that outcome acceptable, and most importantly, it appears that nobody gave any thought to how the families would be reunited after their cases were adjudicated.

I don't have time to dig far enough to remind myself of everything I've run across, but a few more examples, in no particular order:

More than 200 executive branch jobs requiring Senate confirmation remain unfilled.

He had to reissue his travel ban policy twice before getting one that eventually held up.

Couldn't get his "repeal and replace" of Obamacare through Congress (not entirely his fault, admittedly).

Admitting that he fired Comey because of the "Russia thing".

Handling of the Charlottesville incident, as I mentioned above.

Probably his undiplomatic handling of allies like Trudeau, though that remains to be seen.

Lots of other small stuff like Melania's jacket, incessant tweets that sometimes contradict each other, etc.

I suspect his tariffs on Canada and Europe will backfire too, but the jury is still out.


Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 02:54:30 PM
Once again, I will respectfully disagree on foreign policy. I think he's done a masterful job so far. Tell Iran to pound sand, tell the EU to shape up on immigration, tell the junk science MMGw crowd to get bent, tell NATO to pay up, and the beginning of thaw with NK is only good. A few short months ago, they were rattling sabres, and shooting missiles over Japan, setting off nuke tests. Now, they are sitting at tables, and talking with SK, China, and Trump. I think anything we get on reducing NK nukes will just be bonus.
I don't think his imposing tariffs on our allies is masterful, but most of the other points you make I tend to agree with, with one exception: MMGw isn't junk science, it's good science that has been appropriated by activists (which group includes some of the scientists themselves), and its conclusions have been overhyped in the MSM and elsewhere. For a balanced view of the science I recommend Judith Curry's blog. Paris was premature but Trump announcing pulling out unilaterally imo accomplished nothing except to alienate the EU, and gives adversaries like Russia and especially China an opportunity to look like stellar world citizens.

Yes, his handling of NK has so far looked pretty skillful, I admit that. David Brooks's comment that Kim is a thug, and Trump has some thuggishness in him, and it gives him an edge with Kim is pretty spot on imo. Whether the summit leads anywhere, and whether it results in lasting changes in NK's behavior is still unknown, which is what I meant.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 03:00:34 PM
Well, the most recent example of his incompetence imo IS the border family policy debacle. I don't know or care whether he explicitly ordered the separations, but they were the outcome, Sessions certainly considered that outcome acceptable, and most importantly, it appears that nobody gave any thought to how the families would be reunited after their cases were adjudicated.

 You are aware that this was started under Obama, and actually was run very poorly under his administration.  The Trump Administration continued the program but made changes which actually improved conditions (the MSM left that out and showed pics from 2014)

I don't have time to dig far enough to remind myself of everything I've run across, but a few more examples, in no particular order:

More than 200 executive branch jobs requiring Senate confirmation remain unfilled.

 And you realize that's due to the senate, not the President?

He had to reissue his travel ban policy twice before getting one that eventually held up.

 After an AG in a western state filed a challenge, knowing it would go to the Ninth Circuit which would automatically uphold it.  Pure liberal judicial activism.  And you blame the President?

Couldn't get his "repeal and replace" of Obamacare through Congress (not entirely his fault, admittedly).

 I'm actually shocked you could admit to that.

Admitting that he fired Comey because of the "Russia thing".

 Apparently you have missed out on the IG report and all of the televised hearings (with the MSM is full CYA mode by manufacturing a "crisis" such as the family separation fiasco to keep it off the news cycle).

 Go actually read the IG report. Comey's firing (recommended by Rod Rosenstein) was for his incompetence as CIA director, and the IG pointed out several cases why he was fired.  I know it doesn't fit the narrative you've been fed, but the facts are there.

Handling of the Charlottesville incident, as I mentioned above.

And responded to without the MSM spin.

Probably his undiplomatic handling of allies like Trudeau, though that remains to be seen.

PM Zoolander of Canada is not the best at acting "diplomatic" as we have seen.  The President called him out on it.

Lots of other small stuff like Melania's jacket

 Seriously?   Seriously??   ::)

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 03, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
I see;

Trump is the one holding up exec branch jobs. hmmmmm

The travel bans(all three) would have passed the SCOTUS with flying colors. Maybe his re-writing them was a minor mistake, but the fact is - they were and are legal.

Obamacare repeal can ONLY be done by the congress. Trump can send a bill offering, but the house must put it in the hopper and have a vote. Nothing more Trump can do except waive all the BS fees for not getting insurance - which he's already done. It's a dead duck, but still costing us billions. Trump? Negative ghostrider

Comey was fired for incompetence and the Russian investigation was about #8 on the list of his transgressions. So what if that was the reason? Incompetent is enough.

I think his first statement on the Charlottsville riot was an effort to NOT be like BO(If I had a son....). The MSM wasn't going to give him anything unless he ordered the arrest of all the nationalists. We don't do that in this country. If a bunch of skin-head KKK idiots get a permit to march, we let them. the mistake was altering his message in the second public statement. He should have stuck with 'from all sides'. Perfectly neutral, and perfectly admonishing both for the violence, which is what happened.

Fuck Canada. They have a lower GDP than Texas, or Florida, or NY, or CA. Trudeau started it anyway with his BS grenades he tossed at Trump with the 'we welcome immigrants from everywhere in Canada' crap. Has anyone noticed that Canada is firming up it's border, and has rejected a whole bunch of illegals and legal immigrants lately? He's the bag a fem hygiene product comes in. While I'm at it, fuck Merkel. The only reason she's still in power is her willingness to fellate the other German party bosses. I'm glad that the rest of the world is pissed at our president. Tells me he's working for ME and not some globalist cause.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on July 03, 2018, 03:02:32 PM
What a load of bullshit.  You're spouting straight liberal talking points.
Can't help it if the truth happens to be a "liberal talking point". They aren't often right, but sometimes they are.

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A tough call?  Seriously?  YGTBSM

 So you would vote for tax increases, open borders and more government social programs, as well as going back to idiotic foreign policies?
We never had "open borders" and no one is in favor of that.

And NO! I don't want tax increases or more government social programs. I also don't want 4 more years of Trump. That's why it's a tough call.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 03:11:19 PM
Can't help it if the truth happens to be a "liberal talking point". They aren't often right, but sometimes they are.

 LOL!!

 (https://media2.giphy.com/media/CiYImHHBivpAs/giphy.gif)

We never had "open borders" and no one is in favor of that.

What do you think the Alt Left is pushing for??   Do you even pay attention to what people like Warren, Harris, Booker and the other progressive loons are talking about??

 Detaining someone at the border when they cross, only to turn them lose with a "promise" to appear in court is "catch and release".  That's an open border, and your pals on the Alt Left are pushing that.


And NO! I don't want tax increases or more government social programs. I also don't want 4 more years of Trump. That's why it's a tough call.

 But you would vote to get an alt left candidate in office that would do just that.  Seriously, do you even pay attention to what these people have been promoting?
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 03, 2018, 03:16:43 PM
I don't think his imposing tariffs on our allies is masterful, but most of the other points you make I tend to agree with, with one exception: MMGw isn't junk science, it's good science that has been appropriated by activists (which group includes some of the scientists themselves), and its conclusions have been overhyped in the MSM and elsewhere. For a balanced view of the science I recommend Judith Curry's blog. Paris was premature but Trump announcing pulling out unilaterally imo accomplished nothing except to alienate the EU, and gives adversaries like Russia and especially China an opportunity to look like stellar world citizens.

Yes, his handling of NK has so far looked pretty skillful, I admit that. David Brooks's comment that Kim is a thug, and Trump has some thuggishness in him, and it gives him an edge with Kim is pretty spot on imo. Whether the summit leads anywhere, and whether it results in lasting changes in NK's behavior is still unknown, which is what I meant.

We'll see how the tariff game plays out. This part of his FP is the most controversial. Otherwise, it's been 7-come-11 compared to BO, and Bush, and Clinton.

The MMGW crowd lost any credibility with their 'hockey stick' fake numbers, and the admitted fudging of raw data in only one direction from 31,000 different sensors. Kinda hard to believe that almost all 31,000 world sensor would have a 'correction' only in one direction. DOH!

Russia and China looking like stellar world citizens? I don't think you've been paying attention real close. The US is the only country on schedule to meet the Paris accord limits. And, if one compares the economic and industrial output against the CO2 and particulate emissions, the US is ahead of China by a factor of 5-6, and ahead of Russia by a factor of 2 or 3. This is from Mar this year: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/31/china-environment-census-reveals-50-rise-in-pollution-sources, so - pardon me if I advise that you don't have a clue. There are some marginal improvements, but they are so far behind the US, it's not even close.

The only part of Trumps agenda I'm almost fully onboard with is his foreign policy. We've been taking it in the ass from the rest of the world so long that people think that is the new normal. Well - times up. We are the eminent super-power on the globe, and it's time we had an exec who started acting like it. If the rest of the planet has a problem with that, they can pick up the phone and dial; 1-800-EAT-SHIT.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
Well, the most recent example of his incompetence imo IS the border family policy debacle. I don't know or care whether he explicitly ordered the separations, but they were the outcome,
Of course you don't care whether he explicit ordered them.  Because if you did, then you would know that he didn't.

Families have been separated at the border by Clinton, Bush, Obama and probably before those guys.  The difference is that "those guys" would give a criminal a pass if they had a kid with them.  Why don't you worry just as much about all the white or black American kids that get separated from their criminal parents when those criminal parents get arrested?  Ice(under Trump) wasn't indiscriminately separating families.  They were arresting criminals.  Criminals that shouldn't have willingly gotten kids involved.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 03, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
I will point out that the word "families" when applied to minors, and adults arriving illegally from the south is highly suspect. If we took a random DNA sampling of these 'families' I think it would result is some rather unpleasant findings.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
Take a good look at this picture.  Is this a child that has been separated from his parents by ICE?

(https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2018/07/borderpatrol.jpg?itok=uOH0Zf8h)


Nope.  This little boy was abandoned in the desert with the heat over 100 degrees.  The smuggler left him there like a dog being dropped on the side of the road.   Fortunate for this child the ICE came along and picked him up and got him medical attention.

 Remember seeing this in the MSM?  Of course not, they ignored the story because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 The alt left is covering for this kind of abuse with their phony crisis.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 10, 2018, 08:17:25 AM
I find it interesting how the progressives will do a "drive by" swipe on this board spewing talking points, then when challenged disappear again.

 Like their whole philosophy, all hype with no content.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 10, 2018, 09:43:15 PM
WalkAway is growing quickly ... hit 105,000 posters yesterday. The guy who started it has been interviewed on various shows.

I’m kind of addicted to reading the posts! It’s cathartic!

This movement is a giant, absolutely free customer satisfaction survey for the Dems. Will they pay attention? So far they’re claiming these testimonials are generated by Russian bots in an attempt to undermine the Dems.

I think the Dems are doing a good job of that themselves.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 10, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
So far they’re claiming these testimonials are generated by Russian bots in an attempt to undermine the Dems.

To them, Putin is the modern Scarlet Pimpernel.

“We seek him here, we seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven?—Is he in hell?
That demmed, elusive Pimpernel.”
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: bflynn on July 11, 2018, 03:38:42 AM
We need a party which is an amalgam of Libertarian and republican. Some type of platform that not only recognizes the individual rights, but also the collective responsibility of fiscal and social restraint in the state.

Such a party will assure a Democrat president for decades to come.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on July 11, 2018, 06:44:02 AM
To them, Putin is the modern Scarlet Pimpernel.

“We seek him here, we seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven?—Is he in hell?
That demmed, elusive Pimpernel.”

That is all they have Jim, and the Media repeats it daily.  Trump has done nothing in his policy implementation, nor in his stated agenda that favors Russia.  In fact, so far all of his policies go against what the Russians, and Putin would want, especially Energy Policy (where all there money comes from), Military, and Foreign Policy.   
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 11, 2018, 07:06:53 AM
Oh, now they’ve done it! All the Trekkies will be walking away.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/11/heres-the-real-reason-william-shatner-is-taking-fire-from-the-left/

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 11, 2018, 07:24:12 AM
The really gripping thing with these testimonials is that tons of them are from gays, trans, Latinos, blacks ... seems that THEY cannot stray one iota from the leftist narrative without being shunned, branded, etc., just like we are!

For example, if a man becomes trans, then strikes up a relationship with a male, he is a traitor! He was really gay to start with, obviously, so f**k him!

Or if a Latino stands up for control of the border, or 2A rights ... instant shun, hatred and reprisals from the Dems!

This is just all so, so rich. May it grow exponentially!
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 11, 2018, 10:08:27 AM
Oh, now they’ve done it! All the Trekkies will be walking away.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/11/heres-the-real-reason-william-shatner-is-taking-fire-from-the-left/

Nothing phases those Gorn SJWs!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/dd/71/a7dd712c148f982262a8e8ba3abaf695.gif)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on July 11, 2018, 12:51:19 PM
KKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!
KKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!
KKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!
 ;)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 11, 2018, 02:16:54 PM
Nothing phases those Gorn SJWs!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/dd/71/a7dd712c148f982262a8e8ba3abaf695.gif)

I see what you did there.  :)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on July 12, 2018, 04:06:41 AM
Yes, Shatner is a Nazi, because I saw him on TV with Spock, and McCoy wearing Nazi uniforms.  He also did the Heil Hitler salute.  TV is real, right? 

The intolerance, hypocrisy, and dishonesty of the Left is remarkable.  They are thankfully destroying themselves. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on July 13, 2018, 06:22:45 AM
So now we have the dims willing to vote no on the very legislation they introduced, and they are angry the speaker is going to bring it to a vote.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/democrats-paul-ryan-stunt/

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Three Democratic congressmen declared on Thursday that they will vote “no” on their own legislation if House Speaker Paul Ryan puts their bill on the floor.

Reps. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, Pramila Jayapal of Washington and Adriano Espaillat of New York introduced the Establishing a Humane Immigration Enforcement Act earlier Thursday, which would abolish ICE within one year of enactment, and also assemble a commission tasked with setting up a new immigration enforcement agency.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: nddons on July 13, 2018, 08:36:43 AM
So now we have the dims willing to vote no on the very legislation they introduced, and they are angry the speaker is going to bring it to a vote.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/democrats-paul-ryan-stunt/
Mark Pocan is a joke in Wisconsin.  His district includes the People’s Republic of Madison, and he’s married to another fella, which of course makes him a rock star in some circles. He Co-chairs the Congressional lgbt equality caucus.

It’s clear he had zero intention of this bill getting to the floor. It was a political document for his next election to show how compassionate he is to poor illegal immigrants.

Kudos to Paul Ryan for calling Pocan’s bluff. Nicely played. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 11, 2018, 06:50:49 AM
The #WalkAway campaign is growing fast. I read a couple dozen or so new posts every day and they are fascinating! Huge proportion of gays, blacks and Latinos. In the Democratic Party these days, if you are gay, black or Latino, AND conservative, or even just want to TALK about issues, you are silenced and shouted down.  In fact, the campaign’s founder is gay. I love how destruction for the Dems is coming from unexpected quarters, like Donald Trump and Brandon Straka!

I’ve been reading WalkAway on facebook for several months now, and have saved a couple hundred of these testimonials to use as persuasive evidence in that letter I’m going to send to my liberal friends (ha ha, I’m too chicken) showing them why they should walk away from the DNC too!

There’s a WalkAway march in Washington DC in October. 

Just one of my many saved amazing testimonials ...

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544/permalink/2021641067855791/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 10:01:38 AM
The #WalkAway campaign is growing fast. I read a couple dozen or so new posts every day and they are fascinating! Huge proportion of gays, blacks and Latinos. In the Democratic Party these days, if you are gay, black or Latino, AND conservative, or even just want to TALK about issues, you are silenced and shouted down.  In fact, the campaign’s founder is gay. I love how destruction for the Dems is coming from unexpected quarters, like Donald Trump and Brandon Straka!

I’ve been reading WalkAway on facebook for several months now, and have saved a couple hundred of these testimonials to use as persuasive evidence in that letter I’m going to send to my liberal friends (ha ha, I’m too chicken) showing them why they should walk away from the DNC too!

There’s a WalkAway march in Washington DC in October. 

Just one of my many saved amazing testimonials ...

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544/permalink/2021641067855791/

The black community has been brutal to those who leave the herd and join the other side. Who can forget the poor little kid who wanted to vote for Trump in his schools fake election who got physically thrown out of his home by his mother, shouting at him and denigrating him for favoring Trump.

I have always thought the ONLY chance this nation has to be saved from the left is for blacks to switch sides (and to some extent hispanics) because whites are being outbred. FINALLY they are waking up and seeing the light.

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
Right now I think we're seeing a realignment of the two parties that will become historic in importance.  The GOP has definitely slide to the right, or to whatever side Trump is actually on.  Guys winning GOP primaries are all Trumpkins of the highest order.  I've never seen a political party so wrapped around one person.  But that's going to be how it is for awhile.

In the meantime the Democrats are quickly sliding left into the more socialist camp.  You're going to see issues like Medicare for all and increased minimum wage and Odin knows what all else.

One thing for certain, ever Industrialized nation that has nationalized health care spends less per capita than us.  Say what you want about it, but our method of delivery is the least efficient.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on September 11, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
The GOP is largely anti Trump.  Wake up Michael.  Establishment Republicans who run the GOP HATE Trump.  He is not one of them, and not a career politician like them. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Mr Pou on September 11, 2018, 11:23:01 AM
  I've never seen a political party so wrapped around one person.  But that's going to be how it is for awhile.

DNC is still wrapped around Obama...
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 11:59:57 AM
Right now I think we're seeing a realignment of the two parties that will become historic in importance.  The GOP has definitely slide to the right, or to whatever side Trump is actually on.  Guys winning GOP primaries are all Trumpkins of the highest order.  I've never seen a political party so wrapped around one person.  But that's going to be how it is for awhile.

In the meantime the Democrats are quickly sliding left into the more socialist camp.  You're going to see issues like Medicare for all and increased minimum wage and Odin knows what all else.

One thing for certain, ever Industrialized nation that has nationalized health care spends less per capita than us.  Say what you want about it, but our method of delivery is the least efficient.

I agree the parties are polarizing but unsure what you mean by "right". Let's define terms. Do you mean fascist? Racist? Economic conservative/capitalist? Patriotic?

Sometimes I wonder if we are talking with the same definitions of words. I do not think people moving toward Trump is people moving right, at all. If anything, they are moving more centrist.

The BIGGEST thing about Trump which I'm not sure you grasp yet, is his appeal to the blue collar working class. These are traditional Democrats. The Democrat party has foresaken them. The Democrat party has embraced the urban progressive proletariat revolutionary ideas but naming a set of specific minorities excluding the traditional left wing underclass (the worker).

Leftism's birth is about empowering the working class, farmers and laborers. The left abandoned them. Replaced them with assorted victim groups such as LGBT, dark skinned people, illegal immigrants, and females in general. The left in your urban universities got so focused on those groups and sooooooo disconnected from common laborers, factory workers and farmers and rural people that they no longer understand them, relate to them or care about them.

Those are the people who got Trump elected. The rest of the right just voted Trump because he was not Hillary, pretty much. Not because we think he's a good conservative or republican.

Now it appears much of those identity politics victim groups are also leaving the left. It seems they too are waking up to the fact that maybe Trump's policy of strengthening the U.S. in general might be good for all people in the country.

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 12:15:35 PM
The GOP is largely anti Trump.  Wake up Michael.  Establishment Republicans who run the GOP HATE Trump.  He is not one of them, and not a career politician like them.

The guys winning the most recent round of primaries are all Trumpkins.  They've got the establishment GOP on the run.  A lot of the mainstream GOP members of Congress have left.  If you look at the Republicans critical of Trump, you'll find very few in positions of power.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 12:32:01 PM
The GOP is largely anti Trump.  Wake up Michael.  Establishment Republicans who run the GOP HATE Trump.  He is not one of them, and not a career politician like them.
Exactly.

Victor Davis Hanson has an excellent article about Trump disrupting the status quo in D.C. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/trump-destabilizing-status-quo-is-chaos-impeachable-offense/


Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 12:32:11 PM
I had totally lost track of this thread until it got revived, so I thought I'd reply to this. Apologies as I know this was from a couple of months ago.

We'll see how the tariff game plays out. This part of his FP is the most controversial. Otherwise, it's been 7-come-11 compared to BO, and Bush, and Clinton.

7-come-11? I don't get the reference.

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The MMGW crowd lost any credibility with their 'hockey stick' fake numbers, and the admitted fudging of raw data in only one direction from 31,000 different sensors. Kinda hard to believe that almost all 31,000 world sensor would have a 'correction' only in one direction. DOH!

Michael Mann is one of the activist climate scientists I referred to. The hockey stick is an example of data-spinning that is common enough that the research community isn't likely to condemn it as outright misconduct, but it is still dishonest and poor practice IMO. Worse, it gives ammunition to the conspiracy theorists who think that MMGW is all a hoax. The problem is that the issue has become a political football because if MMGW is real and significant, the proposed mitigation strategies like moving to 100% renewables fit in well with the political aims of the greens and other far left types - never mind that they are largely technologically infeasible right now. That is what I meant when I said that climate science has been appropriated by activists. So now we have memes like "climate change is real and humans are THE cause" (emphasis mine), which is possibly true but by no means established at this point.

I'm not sure which 31,000 sensors you're referring to, but temperature measurements generally have inherent biases, and corrections have to be made when comparing measurements by different kinds of instruments and/or different methodologies. I agree that the corrections should not be made prior to publishing the raw data; the process by which the corrections are arrived at and done should be more transparent than it has been.

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Russia and China looking like stellar world citizens? I don't think you've been paying attention real close. The US is the only country on schedule to meet the Paris accord limits. And, if one compares the economic and industrial output against the CO2 and particulate emissions, the US is ahead of China by a factor of 5-6, and ahead of Russia by a factor of 2 or 3. This is from Mar this year: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/31/china-environment-census-reveals-50-rise-in-pollution-sources, so - pardon me if I advise that you don't have a clue. There are some marginal improvements, but they are so far behind the US, it's not even close.

What I actually said was that it gives them the OPPORTUNITY to look like stellar world citizens, not that they do look in any way stellar. It depends on how they play it and what policy changes they make, and also what policy changes WE make - revitalizing the coal industry as Trump has promised will definitely hurt our climate standing in the eyes of the rest of the world. I'm well aware that our record on emissions is much better than Russia's, and that China's record on both CO2 and particulate emissions is abysmal.

On Trump's foreign policy, I'm mostly on board with it as well, though for different reasons than you I think. The good: we are still putting ample pressure on Russia despite Trump's apparent reluctance to accept what they did during our 2016 elections (and his bizarre seeming deference to Putin at Helsinki); we are willing to flex American muscle in response to atrocities by Bashar al-Assad; support for the routing of Daesh / ISIS in Iraq and Syria; the overture to NK and Kim Jong-Un, high marks from me, even better if it leads to full denuclearization.

My report card is still out on everything else. Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital... yes it is just acknowledging reality, but it weakens our ability to function as a peace broker with the Palestinians. Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal unilaterally... we'll see. If it turns out we have the clout to force Iran back to the table then it will have been a great move, but as long as the rest of the signatories are still working to save the deal, I'm skeptical the strategy will work. And his hostility toward NATO allies is another area where if it leads to Europe pulling more of their weight, and then stronger commitments from us as a reward, then fine; but it could also weaken NATO, not a good thing.

I'm very much against "fuck the rest of the world"; I am still a globalist though I agree we need to assert our interests more strongly.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 12:41:19 PM
One thing for certain, ever Industrialized nation that has nationalized health care spends less per capita than us.  Say what you want about it, but our method of delivery is the least efficient.

Do you think that is *because* their system is nationalized, or do you think other factors might be at work?

My understanding (which might be wrong) is that those countries negotiated lower prices with the pharma companies, in which case we are subsidizing the lower total cost of health care that they enjoy. I don't see any simple solution to that problem. Developing new treatments takes investment of cash, the companies still need to turn a profit, so if we find a way to pay less per service it seems someone else will necessarily have to pay more. Zero sum game, unless I'm missing something. (I haven't researched this, so it's very possible.)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 12:43:09 PM
I think Trump's little tet a tete with the Chinese was really poorly thought out.  By publicly bullying them he caused the Chinese leaders to loose face.  The only thing they really could do was retaliate, anything else would make them look weak in the eyes of their subjects.

Xi Jinping may be their top dog, and he's gutted the opposition. That said, any remaining opposition is now secret, Jinping won't suffer a frontal attack, he'll get stabbed in the back.  So he has to look strong, maintain his public popularity.  I actually think that Trump's predecessors were too lax in the face of this, China has not been a good actor on the world stage, manipulating its currency and pirating intellectual property.  But I think this bellicose very public shaming isn't likely to produce the effect Trump is hoping for.  It certainly won't push the Chinese to the bargaining table.                 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 12:44:31 PM
Do you think that is *because* their system is nationalized, or do you think other factors might be at work?

My understanding (which might be wrong) is that those countries negotiated lower prices with the pharma companies, in which case we are subsidizing the lower total cost of health care that they enjoy. I don't see any simple solution to that problem. Developing new treatments takes investment of cash, the companies still need to turn a profit, so if we find a way to pay less per service it seems someone else will necessarily have to pay more. Zero sum game, unless I'm missing something. (I haven't researched this, so it's very possible.)

There isn't a big Pharma company that spends more on R&D than marketing.  Some of the smaller biotechnology companies do before they're swallowed up.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
I had totally lost track of this thread until it got revived, so I thought I'd reply to this. Apologies as I know this was from a couple of months ago.

7-come-11? I don't get the reference.


(if you don't play Craps, ignore this whole thing)

I was referring in context to the balance of Trumps foreign policy agenda and success. In the dice game of Craps, if one rolls a 7 or an 11 on the first time out as a shooter, the player wins. Meaning - that Trump is rolling 7s and following up with 11s on the dice - therefore he is 'hot' in his foreign policy.

Forgive that not everyone knows the dice game of Craps. Following the same simile anyone who has bet the 'pass line' is also a winner. My advice vis-a-vis Trump's foreign policy is stay on the pass line, or play the come line if the point has been set. In fact, at this point I would double down. Trump is not going to stop his FP turn-around, and why would he?
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 01:48:15 PM

Just one of my many saved amazing testimonials ...

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544/permalink/2021641067855791/

I'm not on FB and know nothing about it. I really never have any interest in joining, but somehow, I'm able to back up to the group level and show 'more' of the stories. I just spent a half hour reading some and they all seem to have a similar theme. All I can describe it as is - they are throwing off the yoke of oppression. Almost all of the stories revolve around someone being pestered, or shamed, or even vilified by fellow Dems for even thinking of leaving the party. It's as if there is some kind of mind control going on with the Dems, and all I can relate it to is a religious belief system over there that has them all in a trance. However - as y'all know, I'm no kind of expert on beliefs and spirits and such.

There's one by a black guy that I just read, and he was amazed that when he published his story, he got a lot of notes(likes? positive comments? I don't know) from little ladies in the south welcoming him, and hoping he was ok, watching out for his interest in troubled times. He never expected it, and one could read in his response that he was not ready for that at all.

Fascinating, and the left media is absolutely ignoring it, I'm sure hoping it will go away. The RNC would be smart to at least recognize and applaud(from a distance) the individual effort involved.

Example; https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2119268398093057&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6600071760148857968%3Amf_story_key.2119268398093057%3Atop_level_post_id.2119268398093057%3Atl_objid.2119268398093057%3Acontent_owner_id_new.730608232%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10155883141673233&__tn__=%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2018, 01:57:19 PM
DNC is still wrapped around Obama...

 And the Clintons.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 11, 2018, 02:36:35 PM
I'm not on FB and know nothing about it. I really never have any interest in joining, but somehow, I'm able to back up to the group level and show 'more' of the stories. I just spent a half hour reading some and they all seem to have a similar theme. All I can describe it as is - they are throwing off the yoke of oppression. Almost all of the stories revolve around someone being pestered, or shamed, or even vilified by fellow Dems for even thinking of leaving the party. It's as if there is some kind of mind control going on with the Dems, and all I can relate it to is a religious belief system over there that has them all in a trance. However - as y'all know, I'm no kind of expert on beliefs and spirits and such.

There's one by a black guy that I just read, and he was amazed that when he published his story, he got a lot of notes(likes? positive comments? I don't know) from little ladies in the south welcoming him, and hoping he was ok, watching out for his interest in troubled times. He never expected it, and one could read in his response that he was not ready for that at all.

Fascinating, and the left media is absolutely ignoring it, I'm sure hoping it will go away. The RNC would be smart to at least recognize and applaud(from a distance) the individual effort involved.

Example; https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2119268398093057&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6600071760148857968%3Amf_story_key.2119268398093057%3Atop_level_post_id.2119268398093057%3Atl_objid.2119268398093057%3Acontent_owner_id_new.730608232%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10155883141673233&__tn__=%2As-R
Yes, it’s very freeing and cathartic to be able to let down one’s guard ... it’s a sad, common theme that many former Democrats walked away from the party because discussion of any sort was shouted down. Also, I am seeing many posts from people who don’t fit the very limiting Dem template. There are pro-life atheists, gays who love guns, Blacks and Latinos and whites who grew up poor, worked their way above it, and now are very against their money being spent to fund illegals and vote farm them.  The LGTB community turned on itself, squabbling and shouting down any among them with more conservative values, especially if they breathe anything positive about Trump.

Also, Muslims are walking away! They would vote Dem but are realizing their values are very conservative; they’re appalled at the behavior of Dem “leaders.” Touchingly, many posts are from people overseas ... Australia, Germany, Brazil ... even Canada, angry over their own countries’ liberal policies, especially on immigration, and cheering WalkAway and Donald Trump. They often express that they wish their country had a Trump.

Like I said, I’ve saved a ton of the most amazing and unexpected testimonials.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2119722961380934&_ft_=qid.6600079822620600237%3Amf_story_key.2119722961380934%3Atop_level_post_id.2119722961380934%3Atl_objid.2119722961380934%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100001757075740%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.1891523714249513&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 02:42:48 PM
(if you don't play Craps, ignore this whole thing)

I was referring in context to the balance of Trumps foreign policy agenda and success. In the dice game of Craps, if one rolls a 7 or an 11 on the first time out as a shooter, the player wins. Meaning - that Trump is rolling 7s and following up with 11s on the dice - therefore he is 'hot' in his foreign policy.

Forgive that not everyone knows the dice game of Craps. Following the same simile anyone who has bet the 'pass line' is also a winner. My advice vis-a-vis Trump's foreign policy is stay on the pass line, or play the come line if the point has been set. In fact, at this point I would double down. Trump is not going to stop his FP turn-around, and why would he?

Ah, okay. I've never played Craps, but I get what you mean now.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: azure on September 11, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
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I am gay, but don’t support forcing Christian run businesses to cater to gay weddings - again, I was told I should be ashamed of myself

I had to smile when I read that, from one of Becky's linked testimonials. It's heartwarming to read another lesbian not afraid to think for herself...
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 03:31:43 PM
The more I read, the more I'm inspired. Must be a ton of individualism from the people who buck long held ideas and family tradition.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=1992871014066130&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6600097710451961606%3Amf_story_key.1992871014066130%3Atop_level_post_id.1992871014066130%3Atl_objid.1992871014066130%3Acontent_owner_id_new.544423244%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10156617935418245&__tn__=%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 04:18:52 PM
The guys winning the most recent round of primaries are all Trumpkins.  They've got the establishment GOP on the run.  A lot of the mainstream GOP members of Congress have left.  If you look at the Republicans critical of Trump, you'll find very few in positions of power.

It is increasingly obvious that your opinions and those foisted upon you by being trapped in the echo chamber of the academic thought police, that you really have no idea what is happening around you, absent whatever you are told to think by your controllers.

The SPEAKER of the HOUSE and the SENATE MAJORITY Leader two of the leading anti-Trump republicans and the two of the three most powerful political leaders in the USA. How exactly are they not leadership fighting President on every policy decision he makes?

I know you hate all conservatives because we refuse to accept the never ending leftist brainwashing. That doesn't require us to accept your wildly off base generalizations as anything other than buffoonery.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 11, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
I had to smile when I read that, from one of Becky's linked testimonials. It's heartwarming to read another lesbian not afraid to think for herself...
Well, yes ... you extend the same tolerance to others that you want to receive, right? Such is the perverted, homophobic logic of those hateful conservatives ...  ::)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
We have neighbors on either side of our home that are the definition of diverse.

The gay married couple on the right are two of the quietest people in the community. I found out by pure chance that one was looking after his very sick mother and convinced him that we would help them out. Over the next few months - until she died - my wife cooked for them when she cooked for us, I looked after their lawn and helped with some outdoor things. From time to time one or the other would call and I would walk over and help them lift her to get her bathed and change the bed. When she died, we were the first people they called and I helped them arrange for the cremation society to pick her up.

They are vehemently progressive, big-time obama supporters and have a letter on White House stationary, signed by the former , president, congratulating them on their marriage. They know I am as conservative as the day is long and think that obama is a traitor. We laugh about the looks we get when people engage us in conversations because we come from so far apart.

On our other side is a muslim family. They work insane hours and we look after them, help with little and big things, and keep an eye on their home when they work day and night. Last fall i had a particularly awful time with my medical challenges and could barely walk for months.

I'd had several cubic yards of mulch delivered just before it got so bad that I had trouble lifting a fork, forget about a shovel, and Majid met in the front yard, took the shovel out of my hands and picked it all up, spread it and then refused my appreciation because he said that we were the only people in the community, including the gay guys, who stopped by and introduced ourselves, my wife made them dinner that first night so they could unpack and eat without long delays and lost time, and included them in our BBQ nights on the lanai.

They are emphatic muslims and think Christianity is a blot on the carcass of the earth, but we get along great and never let our political and religious arguments keep us from connecting as friends and neighbors.

As I see it, the main difference between them and the far left is that they let me alone with my convictions, while disagreeing and we do the same.

It would never occur to me to try and get a snowflake fired for daring to disagree, but the left is at it all day, every day and it's getting much worse.

If you don't believe me, look here:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/threats-of-rape-and-strangling-force-d-c-mcallister-into-hiding-after-anti-abortion-tweet/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
^^^These are conservative values. I’ve stepped up faithfully through the years for my liberal friends and neighbors, but do not doubt for a moment that, in the current feeding frenzy on conservatives, many of these same people believe me to be racist, phobic and cruel hearted, because they know where I stand politically. I guess I can take comfort in the fact that while they would destroy this country for their children and grandchildren, I am helping save it.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2018, 09:17:22 AM
One of the first WalkAway testimonials I read. It hooked me and now I read many each day.

Powerful.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544/permalink/2007508665935698/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2018, 11:19:58 AM
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Breaking ... was reading the WalkAway fb page and saw that Brandon Straka was just banned from fb for MENTIONING, yes, UTTERING, the term “infowars” on a video. He’s signing in under another account; in six weeks the WalkAway March in DC takes place and making that a success would really continue to hurt the Democrats.

Folks, this is the America we will be leaving to our kids and grandkids. I am appalled enough to do something but I’m not sure what to do.

Freedom of speech. Let it not die!

https://redpillpundit.online/2018/09/breaking-facebook-bans-the-walkaway-campaigns-founder-brandon-straka-as-they-build-support-for-their-march-on-washington/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 12, 2018, 11:44:39 AM
I don't mean to be churlish about this, but why would ANY conservative still be on FB? I'm sure there's a good excuse, like watching cat pictures, or sharing cake recipes that can't be done ANYWHERE else.

I guess all FB users by now understand that they are not the customer but they are the product. And everytime they log in to FB they are just converting more power and money to socialist causes.

But - I'm not judging.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2018, 11:48:07 AM
You can read the WalkAway posts without joining. But yes, I wish he would set up on a safe platform. Twitter is just as bad. They just warned the Center for Immigration Studies that they’ll be banned if they use the phrase “illegal alien” in tweets.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 12, 2018, 11:55:17 AM
my question was not related to the walkaway posts, but FB as a conservative. However, there's no need to answer, consider it rhetorical.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on September 12, 2018, 11:58:04 AM
You can read the WalkAway posts without joining. But yes, I wish he would set up on a safe platform. Twitter is just as bad. They just warned the Center for Immigration Studies that they’ll be banned if they use the phrase “illegal alien” in tweets.

You could join GAB and walk-Away from Facebook, but it gets a bit rough around the edges.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
I don't mean to be churlish about this, but why would ANY conservative still be on FB? I'm sure there's a good excuse, like watching cat pictures, or sharing cake recipes that can't be done ANYWHERE else.

I guess all FB users by now understand that they are not the customer but they are the product. And everytime they log in to FB they are just converting more power and money to socialist causes.

But - I'm not judging.

I'm on it because my young nieces, nephew, and great-nieces and great-nephew are there and it's the best way to keep up with them. Young'uns don't write letters anymore. I've got extensive family up North that post a lot on FB and also don't write letters and there are so many of them I don't/can't maintain personal texts or emails with all of them, so I just look over their FB updates.  Also there are some random people I like to keep up with that are not in my inner circle, like my accountant.  I wouldn't bother him with personal contact, but it's nice to see what he's up to.  An ex neighbor, same thing.  And certain distant parties, like a certain agency in Cambodia I'm keeping track of, posts updates on FB.

But yes, I'm now completely aware I am the product, and no longer click on the ads, the "suggested for you" or news stories.  I have been wanting to delete my FB account for a long time but I would not then have access to the updates for these people.  So until everybody else gets off it, I'm staying for now.  I just wish someone would come up with a better alternative!
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 12, 2018, 12:57:13 PM
So until everybody else gets off it, I'm staying for now.  I just wish someone would come up with a better alternative!

Uh, pardon me, but if you left and chose another electronic facility to do your communication, wouldn't that send the right kind of message?

"Dear FB friend/relative/distant person. I've chosen today to leave the FB community, as I can no longer support the lies, corruption, and threat to open public discourse. I hope you will email me at; "nofacebookanymore@domain.com". Simply click on that link right now, and send me a note; "hi, I agree with you" or "goodbye, I can't do without my FB".  After clicking and sending me a note, please add me to your email contacts.

If I don't hear from you again, it has been nice, and I will miss your company.

Regards, your long time electronic friend."

Ya know, kind of like #walkaway but for FB.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 13, 2018, 07:23:52 AM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2121334817886415&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6600713832276672770%3Amf_story_key.2121334817886415%3Atop_level_post_id.2121334817886415%3Atl_objid.2121334817886415%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1309516053%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10212527219158026&__tn__=%2As-R

Great one.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 07:27:57 AM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2121334817886415&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6600713832276672770%3Amf_story_key.2121334817886415%3Atop_level_post_id.2121334817886415%3Atl_objid.2121334817886415%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1309516053%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10212527219158026&__tn__=%2As-R

Great one.

Wow! Couldn't have said it better myself:

Quote
I was originally very anti-Trump. At first I bought into the media narrative about him. Then I was convinced Trump was really another liberal in disguise like we in California had with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But I was determined to get all the facts, so I sat and watched every interview and read every story I could find on Trump from “back in the day”. I realized that the media LOVED Trump back when they thought he was a liberal, but Trump’s stand on the issues had been consistent all the way back. In my opinion, Trump is neither a liberal OR a conservative. He’s a pragmatist, he believes in what works and he sees the world as it actually is and not according to some ideology. And his pragmatic approach is the closest thing we’ve ever seen to true conservatism: regulate only where necessary, keep cost and size of government to a minimum, and negotiate to get the best deal for YOUR side. I fully expected Trump to do the typical political thing and go back on all his promises once elected. I’ve been shocked and pleasantly surprised that he actually is keeping his promises (as best he can, with very little help from so-called “conservative” members of Congress).
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 07:36:39 AM
I was on youtube last night watching several episodes of various late night talk shows that had Trump as a guest going back 30 years up to about 2015.

 They loved the guy, treated him with respect and had great interaction with him.   Not a smidgen of angst or hatred.

 Yet today, these same host have nothing but disdain for him.   Goes to show just how phony the Hollywood crowd really is.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 07:41:01 AM
Uh, pardon me, but if you left and chose another electronic facility to do your communication, wouldn't that send the right kind of message?

"Dear FB friend/relative/distant person. I've chosen today to leave the FB community, as I can no longer support the lies, corruption, and threat to open public discourse. I hope you will email me at; "nofacebookanymore@domain.com". Simply click on that link right now, and send me a note; "hi, I agree with you" or "goodbye, I can't do without my FB".  After clicking and sending me a note, please add me to your email contacts.

If I don't hear from you again, it has been nice, and I will miss your company.

Regards, your long time electronic friend."

Ya know, kind of like #walkaway but for FB.

Completely agree and I've spent decades adjusting my personal life to my political ideologies but now I'm old and don't give a fuck.  I've done my part.  Now I'm just gonna do what's easiest for me. I've earned it.  Like I said, if everyone else moves to another platform I'll be thrilled to follow, but I'm not going to lead the charge.  BTDT and have the T-shirt, it's somebody else's turn. Seeing the babies is a higher priority to me now.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 07:42:37 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb091318dAPR20180913034507.jpg)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on September 13, 2018, 07:45:00 AM
Breaking ... was reading the WalkAway fb page and saw that Brandon Straka was just banned from fb for MENTIONING, yes, UTTERING, the term “infowars” on a video. He’s signing in under another account; in six weeks the WalkAway March in DC takes place and making that a success would really continue to hurt the Democrats.

Folks, this is the America we will be leaving to our kids and grandkids. I am appalled enough to do something but I’m not sure what to do.

Freedom of speech. Let it not die!

https://redpillpundit.online/2018/09/breaking-facebook-bans-the-walkaway-campaigns-founder-brandon-straka-as-they-build-support-for-their-march-on-washington/

You didn't hear it from me, but redpill was hacked a few hours after FB banned Brandon Straka. I'm sure it's a complete coincidence.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2018, 07:50:38 AM
You didn't hear it from me, but redpill was hacked a few hours after FB banned Brandon Straka. I'm sure it's a complete coincidence.

Wow.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 13, 2018, 08:30:42 AM
If “Under Maintenance” means hacked, then virtually any site would be vulnerable. Like the workaround site for the WalkAway March. Straka can’t pull off the March without being able to communicate with attendees and receive funding. I don’t like where all this is going. Frustrated, I told my husband I was going to actually write a letter to liberals I know, to let them know there is another viewpoint. He said he personally wouldn’t bother. They would all think I was a crazy conspiracy theorist.

http://walkawaymarch.com
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on September 15, 2018, 06:48:31 PM
You got me watching #walkaway videos. This one is amazing. A gay man. There was one from a black woman who had four children by age 20 and was an activist for Obama. I never imagined people so steeped in the blue pill would start waking up in such numbers.

Trigger warning!!! He talks about rape!!

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 16, 2018, 06:12:40 AM
That one was pretty gripping! I’m addicted to reading these every day, probably because they give me such hope for a giant awakening all across the country. We drove through Portland, Oregon yesterday and I saw a billboard that said, “Be Bold: Vote Republican.”

The really amazing thing about the Dems is their almost total inability to correct a faulty course. Here in WalkAway they have a detailed, totally free consumer satisfaction survey, with people describing in detail why they’re leaving the party. Yet, the Dems have not backtracked or spoken out in any way EXCEPT to bash Trump and all who want to give him a chance. They have even declared stridently in most media outlets that WalkAway is false, with paid actors and shutterstock photos!

But that fits with the narrative of indoctrination, lockstep and groupthink. I read a book called “SJW’s Always Lie,” and there’s a sequel, “SJW’s Always Double Down.” People are starting to notice!  :)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on September 16, 2018, 06:19:46 AM
But that fits with the narrative of indoctrination, lockstep and groupthink. I read a book called “SJW’s Always Lie,” and there’s a sequel, “SJW’s Always Double Down.” People are starting to notice!  :)

Yes, these idiots think they just haven't been "Progressive" (liberal) enough, so double down on Totalitarian Communism.  It isn't working, yet they still push that crap.  My fear is that American continues to urbanize (cities, and burbs) those areas will control entire states, and then the country.  For whatever reason urbanites are mostly Far Left Progressive.  Scary. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 16, 2018, 01:46:05 PM
Wow, they’re ratcheting up the attempted discrediting of WalkAway!

Let’s see ... bring about reform on the left and save the Democratic Party, or try to slay every human breath of criticism about it and continue to bleed the party dry ... they’ll choose the latter every time.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2129059173780646&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6601924227681522249%3Amf_story_key.2129059173780646%3Atop_level_post_id.2129059173780646%3Atl_objid.2129059173780646%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1077430975%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 26, 2018, 05:55:44 AM
Republican college professor weighs in.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2071389259547638&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6605514983641890712%3Amf_story_key.2071389259547638%3Atop_level_post_id.2071389259547638%3Atl_objid.2071389259547638%3Acontent_owner_id_new.10808266%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 01, 2018, 10:14:34 AM
Hey Becky, I found this and thought you would enjoy. I admit, I clicked on it for the pic, but the story is one you'll appreciate.

https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/testimonials/melanie-s-walkaway
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 01, 2018, 10:40:12 AM
There is something sexy about a woman with an AR-15.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 01, 2018, 02:35:29 PM
Hey Becky, I found this and thought you would enjoy. I admit, I clicked on it for the pic, but the story is one you'll appreciate.

https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/testimonials/melanie-s-walkaway
Lyrical  :)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 01, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
There is something sexy about a woman with an AR-15.
Or an NRA hat?  :)

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2149565275063369&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6607503584036644755%3Amf_story_key.2149565275063369%3Atop_level_post_id.2149565275063369%3Atl_objid.2149565275063369%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1036495845%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10214517268978927&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 01, 2018, 04:29:04 PM
Or an NRA hat?  :)

Heck yeah!  An NRA hat, and an AR-15 would be even better.  :)
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 01, 2018, 05:16:16 PM
Likely no one else has noticed, but I've been kind of keeping up with the members count. In the past few days it's been going up about 600-800 per day. Very telling.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 01, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Three thousand this week.  Honestly, reading these stories is keeping me sane.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2150665891619974&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6607547773933846898%3Amf_story_key.2150665891619974%3Atop_level_post_id.2150665891619974%3Atl_objid.2150665891619974%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1077430975%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 03, 2018, 11:08:56 AM
Facebook is seriously messing with WalkAway.  If it were on an unbiased platform, it would have more exposure.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on October 03, 2018, 02:29:50 PM
Facebook is seriously messing with WalkAway.  If it were on an unbiased platform, it would have more exposure.

I shared one of the videos on my page and I have not yet seen it show up in the feed.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: bflynn on October 03, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
Just to be clear - because these people walk away from the Democrat Party does not mean they will become or even vote Republican.  The Democrat Party has left them, but don't expect them to automatically embrace the other side.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on October 03, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
Just to be clear - because these people walk away from the Democrat Party does not mean they will become or even vote Republican.  The Democrat Party has left them, but don't expect them to automatically embrace the other side.

A lot of the ones I've listened to sound more libertarian than conservative as their new philosophy. It's the far left communism they're rejecting. Most seem to believe that the far left has taken over the Democrat party and will not vote Democrat anymore which means they may vote Republican as an alternative but not because they have become far right.

For that matter I am "walking away" from the Republican Party. I no longer will register Republican but I will vote for them just to keep the far left out of power. Doesn't mean I like them.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 03:44:12 PM
I shared one of the videos on my page and I have not yet seen it show up in the feed.

Were you under the mistaken impression that you controlled your FB content? Surprising, I was certain you were much smarter than that.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Defense of the 'bot' appellation when discussing #Walkaway with anyone.

https://redpillpundit.online/2018/10/twitter-bots-fakenews-and-the-walkaway-campaign/

TLDR: Yes, there were and are some bot posts on social media associated with the Walkaway campaign. There is no way to effectively stop all of it. Approx 1.8% of the audited Twitter accounts are bots, not necessarily Russian but bots of some flavor. Compared to CNN with approx 12% fake accts, HuffPo with 9.8% fake bots, and Salon.com recently scraped off many fake accts and is down to 8.5% from a high of 22%.

The best defense is to ask someone of the FB persuasion to actually connect with a testimonial on FB #Walkaway, and ask if they are real, and see if they can find a bot. Also do the same on Twitter, ask if they can discover a bot acct among the twitter followers. Pretty sure one will be met with silence. If they make the 'bot' claim, make them prove it.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
Campaign has 'exploded' with the recent Kavanaugh hearings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOxI6Z0LQMg
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 03, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
I’ve read probably several hundred of the testimonials since I discovered the campaign in late June. I am a word person, and have not detected the faintest whiff of anything artificially generated or unauthentic in any of them.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 04, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
Another find for Becky. Not my style, but through the rhetoric, I got the gist of where he was going. Alas, it took a lot of syllables to reach his mountain, but he got there. Not Walkaway, mea culpa.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/04/booker-stalinesque-kavanaugh-comments/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on October 04, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
Another find for Becky. Not my style, but through the rhetoric, I got the gist of where he was going. Alas, it took a lot of syllables to reach his mountain, but he got there. Not Walkaway, mea culpa.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/04/booker-stalinesque-kavanaugh-comments/

All anyone has to do to end Booker as a force in politics is constantly refer to his every comments as coming from, ‘spartacus.’
That poor fool is a walking, breathing joke,

I imagine steingar thinks he’s courageous.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: bflynn on October 05, 2018, 05:21:23 AM
I imagine Michael knows who and what Booker is...a political opportunist with ambitions of the White House. The same way that we all know that however great a job Trump is doing as president, he still has the ability to be a grade A asshat. But I do see signs that the job is changing him, as I hoped it would. Beware first term Senators who want to be President.

If we are judging people by what they did as kids, nobody is qualified to be a garbage man. If we want to make the Supreme Court a popularity contest, the the rest of us will have to suffer with what gets crammed down our throats.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 05, 2018, 07:42:54 AM
Corey Booker has NO shot at being President.  Obama ruined it for Black men for decades. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 06, 2018, 01:03:32 PM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2160566243963272&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6609335726364407498%3Amf_story_key.2160566243963272%3Atop_level_post_id.2160566243963272%3Atl_objid.2160566243963272%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100003681720301%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.1455124271286950&__tn__=%2As-R

Chilling. Also, amazing self-awareness finally.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: jb1842 on October 06, 2018, 01:22:41 PM
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2160566243963272&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6609335726364407498%3Amf_story_key.2160566243963272%3Atop_level_post_id.2160566243963272%3Atl_objid.2160566243963272%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100003681720301%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.1455124271286950&__tn__=%2As-R

Chilling. Also, amazing self-awareness finally.

Except for the 3 kids, this is my wife exactly. I joke I take credit for showing her what it means to think for herself and become a conservative.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 06, 2018, 02:55:30 PM
Another reason why women, and first time gun buyers are making up a lot of the new gun sale stats.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2018, 07:38:09 AM
Woot! A great one.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2162338830452680&_ft_=qid.6609617566389298638%3Amf_story_key.2162338830452680%3Atop_level_post_id.2162338830452680%3Atl_objid.2162338830452680%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1032368837%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10215772128309489&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on October 07, 2018, 11:24:13 AM
Woot! A great one.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2162338830452680&_ft_=qid.6609617566389298638%3Amf_story_key.2162338830452680%3Atop_level_post_id.2162338830452680%3Atl_objid.2162338830452680%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1032368837%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10215772128309489&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B

Powerful
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 24, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
A great WalkAway testimonial. I was just thinking the other day about Plato’s myth of the cave. Rather than believe those who came back and described the world outside the cave, or go find out for themselves, those who lived in the cave killed those who had left and returned to tell them of what they had seen. I find my Democrat friends, and you see it a LOT in these testimonials before the red pill is ingested, are unwilling to accept or even listen to anything that contradicts what the Dem Kool Aid has engendered in their brains. So it’s really amazing that these testimonials show a willingness to think in new ways!

A fitting allegory for #WalkAway.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2188705511149345&_ft_=qid.6616056165164799167%3Amf_story_key.2188705511149345%3Atop_level_post_id.2188705511149345%3Atl_objid.2188705511149345%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100001693481370%3Asrc.22%3Astory_location.6&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 26, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
A draft of my first political Facebook post in over two years. Would love to know if you all see anything I should change. Looking for maximum impact; probably won’t do this again.

Draft Facebook post by Becky:

Woot! The WalkAway march is this weekend in Washington DC. I’ve been reading testimonials for several months now, from Democrats whose party’s violence and intolerance drove them toward the right, and they are now voting Republican! It’s giving me so much hope that we can all be Americans again, and dump the identity politics of the left.

During the Democrats’ transparent attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh, over 3,000 Democrats walked away in just one week. Waking up is hard to do, and I’m so proud of these people!

It’s exciting to see people posting from the gathering in DC. The left has been dismissing WalkAway, but I’ve read several hundred testimonials and they’re as real as can be, as will be shown at the march, and at the polls. Of course, legacy media will spin coverage of the WalkAway March or ignore it entirely, as always, but if you watch Right Side Broadcasting, you can see the real deal.

Facebook is messing with WalkAway pretty seriously, so I hope this post gets out there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIALWalkAwayCampaign/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on October 26, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
A draft of my first political Facebook post in over two years. Would love to know if you all see anything I should change. Looking for maximum impact; probably won’t do this again.

Draft Facebook post by Becky:

Woot! The WalkAway march is this weekend in Washington DC. I’ve been reading testimonials for several months now, from Democrats whose party’s violence and intolerance drove them toward the right, and they are now voting Republican! It’s giving me so much hope that we can all be Americans again, and dump the identity politics of the left.

During the Democrats’ transparent attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh, over 3,000 Democrats walked away in just one week. Waking up is hard to do, and I’m so proud of these people!

It’s exciting to see people posting from the gathering in DC. The left has been dismissing WalkAway, but I’ve read several hundred testimonials and they’re as real as can be, as will be shown at the march, and at the polls. Of course, legacy media will spin coverage of the WalkAway March or ignore it entirely, as always, but if you watch Right Side Broadcasting, you can see the real deal.

Facebook is messing with WalkAway pretty seriously, so I hope this post gets out there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIALWalkAwayCampaign/

That page had this post that is yet another story of a gay liberal who is bashed by her friends for leaving the left:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2192344334118796&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6616783791453477068%3Amf_story_key.2192344334118796%3Atop_level_post_id.2192344334118796%3Atl_objid.2192344334118796%3Acontent_owner_id_new.554335891%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10156296469740892%3Astory_location.6%3Astory_attachment_style.photo&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: invflatspin on October 26, 2018, 02:51:26 PM
I'm a real person with real concerns and not a Russian bot.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: asechrest on October 26, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
A draft of my first political Facebook post in over two years. Would love to know if you all see anything I should change. Looking for maximum impact; probably won’t do this again.

Draft Facebook post by Becky:

Woot! The WalkAway march is this weekend in Washington DC. I’ve been reading testimonials for several months now, from Democrats whose party’s violence and intolerance drove them toward the right, and they are now voting Republican! It’s giving me so much hope that we can all be Americans again, and dump the identity politics of the left.

During the Democrats’ transparent attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh, over 3,000 Democrats walked away in just one week. Waking up is hard to do, and I’m so proud of these people!

It’s exciting to see people posting from the gathering in DC. The left has been dismissing WalkAway, but I’ve read several hundred testimonials and they’re as real as can be, as will be shown at the march, and at the polls. Of course, legacy media will spin coverage of the WalkAway March or ignore it entirely, as always, but if you watch Right Side Broadcasting, you can see the real deal.

Facebook is messing with WalkAway pretty seriously, so I hope this post gets out there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIALWalkAwayCampaign/

As a transitioning liberal (why does that make it sound like I need a strange surgery?), your post would rub me the wrong way. But if it's not designed for an audience of folks like me, it's probably fine.

Why it rubs me the wrong way? Suggests I wasn't "an American" when I was voting liberal. Suggests I wasn't "awake" until now. Also, unless I'm mistaken, the #WalkAway folks aren't suddenly voting Republican, they're simply acknowledging that they can no longer support the Democratic Party.

But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 26, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
Thanks ... made changes. And yessiree Bob, the WalkAways ARE voting Republican. They’re posting about it all over the page.

Better?

Facebook post by Becky:

Woot! The WalkAway march is this weekend in Washington DC. I’ve been reading testimonials for several months now, from Democrats whose party’s violence and intolerance drove them toward the right, and they are now voting Republican! It’s giving me so much hope that as fellow Americans walking forward together we can eradicate the hurtful identity politics of the left.

During the Democrats’ transparent attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh, over 3,000 Democrats walked away in just one week.

It’s exciting to see people posting from the gathering in DC. The left has been dismissing WalkAway, but I’ve read several hundred testimonials and they’re as real as can be, as will be shown at the march, and at the polls. Of course, legacy media will spin as always, but if you watch Right Side Broadcasting, you can see the real deal.

Facebook is messing with WalkAway pretty seriously, so I hope this post gets out there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIALWalkAwayCampaign/

Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 26, 2018, 03:14:39 PM
As a transitioning liberal (why does that make it sound like I need a strange surgery?), your post would rub me the wrong way. But if it's not designed for an audience of folks like me, it's probably fine.

Why it rubs me the wrong way? Suggests I wasn't "an American" when I was voting liberal. Suggests I wasn't "awake" until now. Also, unless I'm mistaken, the #WalkAway folks aren't suddenly voting Republican, they're simply acknowledging that they can no longer support the Democratic Party.

But that's just my opinion.

Much of the Liberal/Progressive ideals ARE anti American.  That's why they don't like the Constitution, and only view it as an obstacle to Social Engineering which was never the intent of what government should be doing. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: asechrest on October 26, 2018, 03:15:33 PM
I like it. You're a good writer.

Thanks ... made changes. And yessiree Bob, the WalkAways ARE voting Republican. They’re posting about it all over the page.

Better?

Facebook post by Becky:

Woot! The WalkAway march is this weekend in Washington DC. I’ve been reading testimonials for several months now, from Democrats whose party’s violence and intolerance drove them toward the right, and they are now voting Republican! It’s giving me so much hope that as fellow Americans walking forward together we can eradicate the hurtful identity politics of the left.

During the Democrats’ transparent attempt to smear Brett Kavanaugh, over 3,000 Democrats walked away in just one week.

It’s exciting to see people posting from the gathering in DC. The left has been dismissing WalkAway, but I’ve read several hundred testimonials and they’re as real as can be, as will be shown at the march, and at the polls. Of course, legacy media will spin as always, but if you watch Right Side Broadcasting, you can see the real deal.

Facebook is messing with WalkAway pretty seriously, so I hope this post gets out there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIALWalkAwayCampaign/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: asechrest on October 26, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
Much of the Liberal/Progressive ideals ARE anti American.  That's why they don't like the Constitution, and only view it as an obstacle to Social Engineering which was never the intent of what government should be doing.

I accept your opinion. Doesn't change my opinion of the initial draft.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Anthony on October 26, 2018, 03:17:45 PM
I accept your opinion. Doesn't change my opinion of the initial draft.

Understood, and I accept your opinion. 
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on October 26, 2018, 04:58:40 PM
Awwwww, group hug.  :-*
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: lowtimer on October 26, 2018, 05:01:15 PM
You two stop that accepting each others opinion stuff or we are liable to start putting a wedge in the wedge they are tring to drive between us.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on October 26, 2018, 05:05:03 PM
You two stop that accepting each others opinion stuff or we are liable to start putting a wedge in the wedge they are tring to drive between us.

Wedgies are really bad things....

They hurt and they cause rashes....

and they hurt.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 27, 2018, 07:25:12 AM
President Trump tweeted about WalkAway! March in DC starts in half an hour.

Tweet shows up fine, not sure what this “does not exist” means.

https://mobile.twitter.com/usminority/status/1056187789518233601?s=21
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 27, 2018, 07:55:16 AM
Love love love that so many new peeps are leaving the plantation! This gal sums it up nicely!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2193514100668486&_ft_=qid.6617049728123245209%3Amf_story_key.2193514100668486%3Aog_action_id.10156755523181948%3Atop_level_post_id.2193514100668486%3Atl_objid.2193514100668486%3Acontent_owner_id_new.720446947%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10156755510376948%3Astory_location.6%3Astory_attachment_style.photo&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Rush on October 27, 2018, 08:04:17 AM
President Trump tweeted about WalkAway! March in DC starts in half an hour.

Tweet shows up fine, not sure what this “does not exist” means.

https://mobile.twitter.com/usminority/status/1056187789518233601?s=21

Fox News is all over the Pittsburgh situation. Anyone covering the walkaway?

Edit, I see it doesn't start til noon, never mind.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on October 27, 2018, 08:22:31 AM
Love love love that so many new peeps are leaving the plantation! This gal sums it up nicely!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2193514100668486&_ft_=qid.6617049728123245209%3Amf_story_key.2193514100668486%3Aog_action_id.10156755523181948%3Atop_level_post_id.2193514100668486%3Atl_objid.2193514100668486%3Acontent_owner_id_new.720446947%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10156755510376948%3Astory_location.6%3Astory_attachment_style.photo&refid=18&__tn__=%2C%3B

Becky,

I wonder what the real numbers look like.

We read thousands of walk away testimonials and I wonder how many more walked away but didn’t post about it, for each one that does...
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 27, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Fox News is all over the Pittsburgh situation. Anyone covering the walkaway?

Edit, I see it doesn't start til noon, never mind.
Accurate coverage live stream is on Right Side Broadcasting Network. They also cover all Trump’s rallies fairly and not fakely.

https://rsbnetwork.com/2018/10/live-walkaway-march-on-washington-dc-walkaway-10-27-18/
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 27, 2018, 08:50:53 AM
Becky,

I wonder what the real numbers look like.

We read thousands of walk away testimonials and I wonder how many more walked away but didn’t post about it, for each one that does...
Here ya go!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2170825122937384&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6611838816062743371%3Amf_story_key.2170825122937384%3Atop_level_post_id.2170825122937384%3Atl_objid.2170825122937384%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100007272525013%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Number7 on October 27, 2018, 08:59:23 AM
Here ya go!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2170825122937384&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6611838816062743371%3Amf_story_key.2170825122937384%3Atop_level_post_id.2170825122937384%3Atl_objid.2170825122937384%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100007272525013%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

I was thinking along the lines of ten to one.

Two million votes turned around during a midterm election could be damaging. Really damaging.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 27, 2019, 07:39:58 AM
Brandon Straka and WalkAway are still going strong. Covington is having the same effect as Kavanaugh in redpilling some Dems.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2329524037067491&refid=18&_ft_=qid.6651184514408859571%3Amf_story_key.2329524037067491%3Atop_level_post_id.2329524037067491%3Atl_objid.2329524037067491%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1077430975%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10215305734331433%3Astory_location.6%3Astory_attachment_style.video_inline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 11, 2019, 08:04:13 AM
WalkAway still growing. Couldn’t lift a recent video from the fb page for some reason (!) but scroll down to New York street scene, guy with tripod.

 Brandon Straka was walking home in NYC and came across a group of Koreans demonstrating AGAINST socialism and FOR POTUS DJT!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?refid=18&_ft_=qid.6656757006656851588%3Amf_story_key.2355616044458290%3Atop_level_post_id.2355616044458290%3Atl_objid.2355616044458290%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1176698895%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10219325285100999%3Astory_location.6%3Astory_attachment_style.photo&__tn__=C-R
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 21, 2022, 06:20:16 PM

Great video from Brandon Straka
I believe he recently appeared in AZ with Kari Lake.
Title: Re: #WalkAway
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 02, 2024, 04:36:50 PM
WalkAway is back.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/joinwalkaway/

https://www.facebook.com/BrandonStraka