Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 08:16:08 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2023-07-03%2Fnewsom-stumps-for-biden-in-idaho-and-builds-his-national-profile
Post by: Rush on July 03, 2023, 09:13:57 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 03, 2023, 09:40:50 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Post by: Anthony on July 03, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
In a real election, Gruesome wouldn't stand a chance, but with the communist holding the keys to the electoral college, he won't even have to campaign.
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
"Gruesome Newsom" is Nancy's nephew. She wants to continue the family dynasty so following generations of her family can profit off the government like her and her husband.
In a real election, Gruesome wouldn't stand a chance, but with the communist holding the keys to the electoral college, he won't even have to campaign.
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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gavin Newsom and Nancy Pelosi have a lot in common as prominent Democrats with strong ties to San Francisco, but are they also related as family members?
If you have a particularly generous view on extended family, then yes.
Gov. Gavin Newsom's aunt, Barbara Newsom, was once married to Ron Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law. Barbara Newsom and Ron Pelosi divorced in 1977.
Post by: Rush on July 03, 2023, 12:54:58 PM
It's hard to do, but Newsome is worse than Biden's handlers.
Yeah, I hate to say between the two I prefer Biden. Newsome is capable of more damage or at least completely destroying the country faster than Biden’s handlers.
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 01:21:24 PM
Yeah, I hate to say between the two I prefer Biden. Newsome is capable of more damage or at least completely destroying the country faster than Biden’s handlers.
Newsom is a white Obama. He's sleazy and nefarious, and definately sees himself as royalty.
Post by: Rush on July 03, 2023, 01:33:43 PM
Newsom is a white Obama. He's sleazy and nefarious, and definately sees himself as royalty.
And like a lot of politicians, completely out of touch with ordinary people, totally lacking in empathy, blind to the effects of his controlling policies on people or aware but outright and deliberately sadistic.
Post by: Little Joe on July 03, 2023, 04:06:50 PM
Newsom is a white Obama. He's sleazy and nefarious, and definately sees himself as royalty.It's kind of weird to see you make a misspelling like that.
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
It's kind of weird to see you make a misspelling like that.
It's fun living rent free in your mind. ;)
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 04:35:14 PM
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The spokesman for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' super PAC gave a frank assessment of the 2024 race, admitting 'we are way behind' and calling former President Donald Trump the 'runaway frontrunner.'
Steve Cortes, a former Trump surrogate who now is the spokesman for DeSantis' Never Back Down PAC, participated in a Twitter Spaces discussion Sunday night with the anonymous Twitter user CryptoLawyerz.
Cortes said he switched to team DeSantis because he believed the governor was more electable than Trump - but that's if he makes it out of the Republican primary.
'Right now in national polling we are way behind, I'll be the first to admit that,' Cortes said. 'I believe in being blunt and honest. It's an uphill battle but clearly Donald Trump is the runaway frontrunner.'
Cortes said he believed the primary - which has attracted at least 11 mainstream Republican candidates - was really down to two people, Trump and DeSantis.
He said that DeSantis was the 'clear underdog.'
'In the first four states which matter tremendously, polls are a lot tighter, we are still clearly down,' he said. 'We're down double digits, we have work to do.'
In Iowa, the state that holds the first GOP caucus, Trump currently has a 21.3 percent advantage over DeSantis, according to the Real Clear Politics polling average.
In New Hampshire, that number stretches to 26.6. percent.
In South Carolina, DeSantis performs a little bit better - but Trump is still beating him by 19.7 percent.
There hasn't been significant public polling done yet for Nevada, which is also generally one of the first four states that hold primaries or caucuses.
While Cortes became politically involved thanks to Trump, he decided to switch to team DeSantis because he was looking for the 'most conservative, most patriotic populist, most electable candidate.'
Trump, he said, 'unfortunately has not gained voters.'
'I think he has shed quite a few,' Cortes said.
Cortes still spoke warmly of Trump - and said a tough primary against DeSantis would help the former Republican president.
'If we do not prevail - and I have every intent on winning, I didn't sign up for this to come in second - but if we do not prevail I wil tell you this, we will make President Trump better for having this kind of primary,' Cortes said.
On Monday, Trump's campaign had a field day with Cortes' comments, highlighting the quotes and a Politico article about the Twitter Spaces interview.
'Ron DeSantis is losing badly and Donald Trump is a patriotic populist. Those are two very true statements. Both were said last night by SteveCortes, spokesman for DeSantis' Super PAC Never Back Down,' an email from the Trump campaign said Monday.
'Between DeSantis' awful launch on Twitter Spaces to Cortes' nighttime confessional, the DeSantis Camp should maybe take a break from the medium,' the Trump campaign also said.
DeSantis' presidential announcement on Twitter was plagued by glitches and was branded a flop.
Post by: Rush on July 03, 2023, 04:54:36 PM
It's kind of weird to see you make a misspelling like that.
I give up. What did he misspell?
Post by: Little Joe on July 04, 2023, 03:13:39 AM
It's fun living rent free in your mind. ;)It was supposed to be a compliment. Unlike the smart people (like Mikey) you usually do pretty well with spelling, grammar and syntax.
I give up. What did he misspell?Definately (Definitely).
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 03:33:13 AM
It was supposed to be a compliment. Unlike the smart people (like Mikey) you usually do pretty well with spelling, grammar and syntax.
Definately (Definitely).
Doh!
Post by: nddons on July 04, 2023, 06:31:11 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12260585/Top-Ron-DeSantis-PAC-spokesman-admits-way-behind.htmlThe article ignored the Marquette University poll:
Nine months ahead of the 2024 Republican primary in Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are tied in the GOP contest, a Marquette Law School Poll released Wednesday shows.
Trump is the top choice of 31% of GOP voters, while 30% of Wisconsinites prefer DeSantis, putting the contest well within the poll’s margin of error. No other GOP candidate had more than 6% support, and 21% of respondents haven’t decided on a favorite.
But given the choice of only DeSantis or Trump, 57% chose the Florida governor and 41% chose the former president.
https://madison.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/desantis-trump-tied-in-wisconsin/article_dcbbae1a-15c6-11ee-8b2e-8fe5b68f7f16.html
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 06:52:59 AM
The article ignored the Marquette University poll:
Nine months ahead of the 2024 Republican primary in Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are tied in the GOP contest, a Marquette Law School Poll released Wednesday shows.
Trump is the top choice of 31% of GOP voters, while 30% of Wisconsinites prefer DeSantis, putting the contest well within the poll’s margin of error. No other GOP candidate had more than 6% support, and 21% of respondents haven’t decided on a favorite.
But given the choice of only DeSantis or Trump, 57% chose the Florida governor and 41% chose the former president.
https://madison.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/desantis-trump-tied-in-wisconsin/article_dcbbae1a-15c6-11ee-8b2e-8fe5b68f7f16.html
The article I posted was showing Cortes making such an admission, which I believe once again shows how unjointed the RDS campaign still is. On the other hand, maybe his admission was a plea to get more people behind RDS.
We are still months out from the primaries, and a lot can happen between now and then. My opinion is the RDS campaign is lackluster at best, and is full of establishment republicans who are only interested in making money more than actually winning.
Vivek Ramaswamy is running a better campaign than RDS, but lack of name recognition is hurting him. As Vivek gets more publicity I expect his poll numbers to come up, and if he gets on a debate stage it will help him significantly.
Post by: Little Joe on July 04, 2023, 06:59:25 AM
Why don't we just appoint whoever is ahead in the polls at a certain point in time?
Post by: Number7 on July 04, 2023, 07:24:17 AM
I wonder why we even have elections.
Why don't we just appoint whoever is ahead in the polls at a certain point in time?
Charlie Crist tried making that argument when he jumped in the race for Florida Governor as a democrat, having previously been governor as a republican, then was primaried out of the race, then running as an independent and now lost as a democrat.
Charlie’s argument was that “the people have spoken.”
Of course at the time it was only one poll and he lost by 21 points, but his argument was right there with you.
I’d say the people must have spoken a lot louder on Election Day…
Post by: Little Joe on July 04, 2023, 07:46:38 AM
Charlie Crist tried making that argument when he jumped in the race for Florida Governor as a democrat, having previously been governor as a republican, then was primaried out of the race, then running as an independent and now lost as a democrat.The difference was that Charlie Crist was serious.
Charlie’s argument was that “the people have spoken.”
Of course at the time it was only one poll and he lost by 21 points, but his argument was right there with you.
I’d say the people must have spoken a lot louder on Election Day…
My point is that polls, especially this far out, are relatively pointless.
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 08:02:24 AM
My point is that polls, especially this far out, are relatively pointless.
To a degree, yes. But you have to figure in many more factors as well to begin to see the whole picture.
Polls begin to tighten as the actual campaigns get into the primaries.
Campaigns are all about message. Right now Trump is on messsage that resonates with voters, hence the high polling numbers. My belief right now is that Vivek Ramaswamy will surpass RDS once debates begin, because the message Ramaswamy sends out is along the lines of what Trump is using. RDS is mired down in the establishment type campaign reminiscent of Jeb!, and will continue to faulter. RDS is in too deep with the establishment now and must obey his donors in order to keep the money coming in.
IMO this was his fatal mistake in launching his 2024 run. He should have stayed out, continued to build his base and a national brand to position himself for 2028.
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 08:21:14 AM
The moderate democrats are absolutely opposed to FJB running again, and they want an alternative. Enter RFK, Jr who fits what they are looking for, and also carries high name recognition.
The radical democrats who control the DNC know this, and want RFK,Jr eliminated. RFK,Jr will obliterate FJB if debates were allowed to happen, and RFK, Jr is not afraid to go out and campaign. FJB will be put back in the basement again.
Keep your eye on RFK,Jr. The polls (for the most part) will continue to show him polling low when in reality he has far more support.
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 09:08:17 AM
To a degree, yes. But you have to figure in many more factors as well to begin to see the whole picture.
Polls begin to tighten as the actual campaigns get into the primaries.
Campaigns are all about message. Right now Trump is on messsage that resonates with voters, hence the high polling numbers. My belief right now is that Vivek Ramaswamy will surpass RDS once debates begin, because the message Ramaswamy sends out is along the lines of what Trump is using. RDS is mired down in the establishment type campaign reminiscent of Jeb!, and will continue to faulter. RDS is in too deep with the establishment now and must obey his donors in order to keep the money coming in.
IMO this was his fatal mistake in launching his 2024 run. He should have stayed out, continued to build his base and a national brand to position himself for 2028.
We all tried to tell him.
Post by: nddons on July 04, 2023, 09:14:18 AM
To a degree, yes. But you have to figure in many more factors as well to begin to see the whole picture.In the end, the race will come down to 5-6 battleground states. Wisconsin is one of them. We’ll see how this shakes out 6-8 months from now, but the Marquette poll is a significant bellwether for the pulse of Wisconsin.
Polls begin to tighten as the actual campaigns get into the primaries.
Campaigns are all about message. Right now Trump is on messsage that resonates with voters, hence the high polling numbers. My belief right now is that Vivek Ramaswamy will surpass RDS once debates begin, because the message Ramaswamy sends out is along the lines of what Trump is using. RDS is mired down in the establishment type campaign reminiscent of Jeb!, and will continue to faulter. RDS is in too deep with the establishment now and must obey his donors in order to keep the money coming in.
IMO this was his fatal mistake in launching his 2024 run. He should have stayed out, continued to build his base and a national brand to position himself for 2028.
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 09:15:43 AM
Right now the 800 pound gorilla in the room is RFK,Jr.
The moderate democrats are absolutely opposed to FJB running again, and they want an alternative. Enter RFK, Jr who fits what they are looking for, and also carries high name recognition.
The radical democrats who control the DNC know this, and want RFK,Jr eliminated. RFK,Jr will obliterate FJB if debates were allowed to happen, and RFK, Jr is not afraid to go out and campaign. FJB will be put back in the basement again.
Keep your eye on RFK,Jr. The polls (for the most part) will continue to show him polling low when in reality he has far more support.
I’m rethinking my plan to vote for RFKJr in the Dem primary because he really pissed me off with his criticism of the AA SCOTUS ruling and his signaling duplicity on the Second Amendment. On the other hand he might still be better than Biden if for no other reason, he seems to be against us sending billions to Ukraine, unless he’s gonna flip on that too. I just don’t know if I can trust him. Is it worth it though to try to get him nominated just to fuck with the Dems’ plan to keep Biden?
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 09:19:04 AM
In the end, the race will come down to 5-6 battleground states. Wisconsin is one of them. We’ll see how this shakes out 6-8 months from now, but the Marquette poll is a significant bellwether for the pulse of Wisconsin.
Unfortunately those battleground states are mired down in election shenanigans as well. The two factors I see is how well the candidate can overcome the cheating (overwhelm the system) and what sort of ground campaign they can launch, and maintain in those areas.
At least Wisc has made some effort in reducing the fraud. PA, GA and MI have done little if any. AZ is lost since the republicans once again decided not to fight the fraud of 2022.
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 09:22:57 AM
In the end, the race will come down to 5-6 battleground states. Wisconsin is one of them. We’ll see how this shakes out 6-8 months from now, but the Marquette poll is a significant bellwether for the pulse of Wisconsin.
This is disturbing. 5-6 states will decide the fate of the other 44-45. Kind of like how 1 or 2 big cities or counties decide the fate of a state. This is one reason our system of government should keep most power at the lowest local level, so that no matter who is at the helm, the small day to day matters that affect our lives aren’t imposed from the top down. But that’s no longer what we have. When the Constitution and the Electoral College was designed, we did not have this monstrous bureaucracy over us at the federal level, nor did we have most of the population concentrated in cities. There was a much bigger rural sector.
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 09:26:45 AM
I’m rethinking my plan to vote for RFKJr in the Dem primary because he really pissed me off with his criticism of the AA SCOTUS ruling and his signaling duplicity on the Second Amendment. On the other hand he might still be better than Biden if for no other reason, he seems to be against us sending billions to Ukraine, unless he’s gonna flip on that too. I just don’t know if I can trust him. Is it worth it though to try to get him nominated just to fuck with the Dems’ plan to keep Biden?
No candidate offers everything. They each have good points, and not so good (FJB has terrible points and nothing good).
RFK, Jr is far ahead of the democrats as his roots go back to his Uncle, who today would be considered a conservative. RFK,Jr is a pragmatist and is not an ideologue (IMO). I would think RFK, Jr would work things out with congress for the good of the citizen rather than using it to shove some perverted ideology down our collective throats. In other words, he would work out a compromise, where as the radicals would either just burn it down or even ignore the courts.
RFK, Jr has more support than the radicals admit. The radicals enjoy having a puppet they can manipulate, hence FJB.
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 09:29:35 AM
Unfortunately those battleground states are mired down in election shenanigans as well. The two factors I see is how well the candidate can overcome the cheating (overwhelm the system) and what sort of ground campaign they can launch, and maintain in those areas.
At least Wisc has made some effort in reducing the fraud. PA, GA and MI have done little if any. AZ is lost since the republicans once again decided not to fight the fraud of 2022.
They wouldn’t even be battleground states except for the fraud. Trump has won over the traditional rust belt working class and actually has WI, PA and MI IMO. He also has GA and AZ, as I am sure all those states went to him in 2020. Those states were deliberately chosen and targeted for the fraud due to urban/rural demographics such as AZ population concentrated in one county, and the ballot policies doing an end run around the legislature such as in PA. This is very deliberate and they had 4 years to work it out after the shock of 2016. The pandemic was a large bonus gift guaranteeing their success.
Post by: Rush on July 04, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
No candidate offers everything. They each have good points, and not so good (FJB has terrible points and nothing good).
RFK, Jr is far ahead of the democrats as his roots go back to his Uncle, who today would be considered a conservative. RFK,Jr is a pragmatist and is not an ideologue (IMO). I would think RFK, Jr would work things out with congress for the good of the citizen rather than using it to shove some perverted ideology down our collective throats. In other words, he would work out a compromise, where as the radicals would either just burn it down or even ignore the courts.
RFK, Jr has more support than the radicals admit. The radicals enjoy having a puppet they can manipulate, hence FJB.
That’s what I’m thinking, that RFKJr will not be nearly as easily manipulated as FJB. At least he has a functioning brain.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 04, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
In the end, the race will come down to 5-6 battleground states. Wisconsin is one of them. We’ll see how this shakes out 6-8 months from now, but the Marquette poll is a significant bellwether for the pulse of Wisconsin.
unfortunately, we've seen what happens to "bellwether" states - that's where the election fraud will be concentrated. No need for the DNC to rig the election results in CA or MA - those states will "vote" for any piece of gardbage with a "D" next to the name.
Post by: Lucifer on July 04, 2023, 09:58:28 AM
unfortunately, we've seen what happens to "bellwether" states - that's where the election fraud will be concentrated. No need for the DNC to rig the election results in CA or MA - those states will "vote" for any piece of gardbage with a "D" next to the name.
And here in lies the danger of RFK, Jr to the radicals. In hard core blue shithole states RFK, Jr is a better alternative than the complete failure FJB.
This is why the radicals are freaking out over RFK,Jr.
Post by: Lucifer on July 05, 2023, 07:05:49 AM
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A political action committee supporting Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign has raised a total of $10.25 million, one of its leaders said on Monday, a signal that his long-shot challenge to President Biden has gained traction among donors, including many Republicans.
The precise level of fund-raising by the super PAC, American Values 2024, will not be known until later this month, when political action committees file midyear reports with the Federal Election Commission. But Tony Lyons, Mr. Kennedy’s publisher and the super PAC’s co-chair, said that the $10.25 million included two “very large” donations that each exceed $1 million, and that the contributions came from a “right down the middle” mix of Republicans and Democrats.
Mr. Kennedy, a 69-year-old environmental lawyer and prominent skeptic of vaccines and prescription medications, often cites contorted statistics and unfounded theories. He has gained a foothold in the race, even as he has railed against the Democratic Party, accused public health authorities of corruption and increasingly embraced conservative figures and causes.
Mr. Kennedy will not come close to summoning the kind of financial support that will flow to Mr. Biden, who as the incumbent has the might of the Democratic National Committee and a robust donor infrastructure behind him.
Mr. Kennedy’s support among Democrats has reached as high as 20 percent in polls, although a poll conducted in June by the Saint Anselm College Survey Center put his Democratic support in New Hampshire at 9 percent.
He has also appealed to prospective voters outside the party: A Quinnipiac University poll in June found that 40 percent of Republicans viewed him favorably, compared with 31 percent of independents and 25 percent of Democrats.
Mr. Biden’s campaign has not yet announced fund-raising numbers.
The super PAC American Values 2024 was formed last year as the People’s Pharma Movement, and was initially financed by $500,000 in contributions from Mark Gorton, a New York City investor, records show. Mr. Gorton, who is supporting Mr. Kennedy’s candidacy, has said he knows Mr. Kennedy through the “health freedom” movement, which broadly opposes vaccinations and the regulation of health practices.
The committee was renamed this past spring, after Mr. Kennedy entered the race for the Democratic nomination in April. A majority of the $10.25 million has come since then, Mr. Lyons said. As recently as the first week of June, the PAC’s total haul was $5.7 million, committee officials said, indicating that nearly $5 million more arrived in the weeks before the June 30 reporting deadline.
The range of political affiliations among the donors, Mr. Lyons said, showed that “there really are people across the political spectrum who feel he’s going to fight corruption in government and corporate takeover of government agencies.”
In recent speeches and appearances, Mr. Kennedy has leaned on his family’s storied political history, and framed his race as a bid to “heal the divide” in American politics, which he has described as being captive to corporate power.
The PAC is separate from his campaign, which last week sent out requests to hit a $5 million goal to close out its first full quarter of fund-raising. On Friday, the campaign boasted of a $1 million haul in a 24-hour period.
Dennis Kucinich, the former presidential candidate and former Ohio congressman who is serving as Mr. Kennedy’s campaign manager, said the campaign expected to make a fund-raising announcement this week. Official numbers will be filed with the F.E.C. this month.
A second group supporting Mr. Kennedy, Common Sense PAC, was formed in Los Angeles in April by Sofia Karstens, an actress who has been active in the health freedom movement. Common Sense hosted a fund-raiser for Mr. Kennedy last month in San Francisco along with two tech investors, David Sacks and Chamath Palihapitiya. That event raised nearly $1 million, Ms. Karstens said.
Ms. Karstens did not have the PAC’s latest total fund-raising immediately available on Monday.
The post Pro-Kennedy Super PAC Says It Has Raised $10 Million appeared first on New York Times.
Post by: Lucifer on July 05, 2023, 07:14:49 AM
Post by: Rush on July 05, 2023, 09:54:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 05, 2023, 10:35:30 AM
They should be more afraid of Kamala Harris.
The only fear of Camel Toe is if FJB dies. And if FJB did die, the deep state would keep it hid as long as possible to get her out of the way.
She's only popular with the most fringe radical part of the party.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2023, 05:59:41 AM
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2023, 06:39:25 AM
He believes in free market solutions to environmental problems, does not like top down authoritarian mandates, but doesn’t like pipelines… so, does this mean he will not reverse Biden’s reversal of the Keystone pipeline? How is that not top down control? Will he approve drilling permits??
I like what he says about Ukraine and lockdowns killing small businesses.
Post by: Lucifer on July 07, 2023, 05:17:05 AM
Post by: Rush on July 07, 2023, 08:24:01 AM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1677297099006701569
Post by: Lucifer on July 07, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
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Questions surrounding Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) presidential campaign strategy are multiplying as he continues to trail former President Trump in the polls nearly a month after his highly anticipated campaign launch.
In a sign of just how concerned some of the governor’s allies are, the spokesperson for the pro-DeSantis PAC Never Back Down recently referred to Trump as the “runaway front-runner” in the primary and said that DeSantis faced an “uphill battle.”
Meanwhile, DeSantis’s campaign faced backlash this week after sharing a video attacking Trump over his past comments in support of the LGBTQ+ community, leading some Republicans to raise concerns.
One Republican strategist described the DeSantis PAC spokesperson’s comments as “a very clear-eyed moment.”
“They realize they’re in a hole,” the strategist told The Hill. “They realize they can potentially win this and they are the only other game in town, but again, they are in a big hole.”
The spokesperson, Steve Cortes, made his headline-grabbing comments Sunday during a Twitter Spaces conversation.
“Right now, in national polling, we are way behind. I’ll be the first to admit that,” said Cortes, who previously worked as an adviser to Trump. “I believe in being really blunt and really honest. It’s an uphill battle.”
Cortes emphasized that he still believed DeSantis could win, while also pointing out how Trump’s prior experience could be aiding him.
“The former president has debated through two successive presidential cycles, so of course he possesses a lot of experience in that arena,” he said. “But I am convinced that Governor DeSantis will outperform expectations and inform large audiences about his amazing life, political record, and winning agenda for the presidency.”
“Taking on an incumbent or former president in the primary always represents a significant challenge,” Cortes continued. “I gladly embraced that reality in joining the team. All of us on Team DeSantis remain convinced that the governor has a strong path to the nomination, and the best chance of any Republican to defeat Biden in the general election.”
Still, there are reasons for allies of the governor to be worried. Around the same time Cortes’s comments surfaced, the DeSantis campaign’s “war room” sparked outrage and confusion with a video attacking Trump over LGBTQ+ rights, including for comments the former president made in support of the community after the deadly Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida in 2016.
Among those who criticized DeSantis were LGBTQ+ Republicans including Rep. George Santos (N.Y.) and 2024 rivals including former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
“They are looking for anything to garner attention so that they can use that to piggyback so they can spread their message,” said Ford O’Connell, a Florida-based GOP strategist, in response to the video. “If Trump isn’t taking up the news oxygen, Hunter and Joe Biden are taking up the news oxygen.”
Polling shows that after his launch in late May, DeSantis has struggled to gain traction in national and early state-level polling.
The Real Clear Politics average of polls shows Trump with 52.4 percent support, while DeSantis trails at 21.5 percent support. And an Echelon Insights poll released Wednesday showed fellow Republican contender Vivek Ramaswamy gaining traction on DeSantis. The poll shows Trump leading the pack at 66 percent, DeSantis at 52 percent and Ramaswamy at 40 percent. In May, Echelon showed Ramaswamy in fourth place behind former Vice President Mike Pence.
“Everyone goes, my God, this Vivek guy is not going to win, but he’s the only guy actually pushing the ideas envelope, and the ideas that he’s pushing is actually reinforcing a lot of what Trump is saying,” O’Connell said.
But Trump is still DeSantis’s biggest obstacle.
“I will tell you that Trump is in a much stronger position now than he was in 2016,” O’Connell said. “They recognize that lightning in a bottle is their best chance to win this, so what they need to do is they need to get out there and make sure that everyone knows who Ron is, his biography and what he stands for.”
And DeSantis and his campaign have been focused on getting boots on the ground in the early caucus and primary states, most recently hitting up New Hampshire for the Fourth of July holiday.
“The rain may have been heavy, but the enthusiasm was high,” DeSantis spokesperson Andrew Romeo said in an email to reporters summing up the campaign stops. “Hundreds of Granite Staters turned out to show their support for the governor and his forward-looking vision for a better America.”
In a statement to The Hill on Wednesday, DeSantis’s campaign press secretary Bryan Griffin described the primary as “a marathon, not a sprint.”
“Ron DeSantis has been underestimated in every race he has won, and this time will be no different,” Griffin said. “Donald Trump has to explain to Republican voters why he didn’t do the things he is now promising in his first term as president. Governor Ron DeSantis over-delivered on his promises as governor and has the national vision we need to restore our country, clean out DC, and lead our Great American Comeback.”
So far, it appears that DeSantis’s bumpy start hasn’t dissuaded donors from lining up behind him. On Thursday, the campaign announced it had raised $20 million in its first six weeks, though that trailed the more than $35 million Trump’s campaign raised for the second quarter.
Of course, there’s also the possibility of further shakeups to the race between now and the Iowa caucuses, including the first Republican presidential primary debate, which is set to take place in August.
“I kind of view the first debate as the beginning of the campaign, quite honestly,” said Justin Sayfie, a Florida-based Republican strategist. “That’s when voters will get to start to view the candidates side by side.”
But it’s unclear whether Trump will even attend the debate, and whether some of the lower-polling candidates will make the stage.
“The dynamic changes if Trump’s on stage versus not on stage,” Sayfie said. “It changes if Chris Christie is on stage versus not on stage. We don’t even know those things yet.”
And if the news cycle — including Trump’s recent indictments — is indicative of what’s to come, there could be more twists and turns going into next year.
“The important thing, and I think people recognize this in a primary, is to not peak too soon, and there’s historical references,” Sayfie said. “I remember when John McCain had an event in Miami in 2007, and people were begging me to show up at his fundraiser and not even bring a check.”
Post by: Lucifer on July 08, 2023, 07:03:10 AM
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Two civil rights organizations are launching a campaign to pressure state governments to disqualify former President Trump from appearing on ballots in 2024.
The groups say secretaries of state are empowered by the 14th Amendment to bar Trump from running for office because of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.
Starting Sunday, Mi Familia Vota and Free Speech for People will stage a week of rallies and banner drops outside the offices of the secretaries of state of California, Oregon, Colorado and Georgia.
The groups also penned a letter to Nevada Secretary of State Cisco Aguilar last month, calling on him to block Trump under what’s known as the Insurrectionist Disqualification Clause.
“We’re really focusing on Nevada and California and [Oregon, Colorado and Georgia] to make sure that they are taking a stand by disqualifying Trump in those spaces, which is something that the secretary of state can do,” said Héctor Sánchez, executive director of Mi Familia Vota.
The groups are calling their campaign “Trump is Disqualified,” and are timing it to coincide with the 155th anniversary of the 14th Amendment.
The Hill has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment.
The Hill Elections 2024 coverage
Secretaries of state are charged with certifying eligibility of candidates and counting the votes in their state.
Though Trump has been indicted twice and is under investigation in other cases, the groups say those are not disqualifying facts under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
However, the groups believe Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 insurrection — for which he is also under investigation — does fit the constitutional clause’s definitions.
That clause bars from a series of public offices people who “having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”
Post by: Lucifer on July 08, 2023, 08:45:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 08, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
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WOLFEBORO, N.H.—Trudging up a hill in the rain, Tina Blanks raved about Ron DeSantis.
She had just spent a couple of hours walking alongside DeSantis in a Fourth of July parade, handing out stickers for the Florida governor and 2024 Republican presidential candidate. But when it came to her vote, he hadn’t closed the deal.
“We’re totally undecided,” said Blanks, 52 years old, as she and her husband neared their car, completing a 4-mile loop. She voted for Donald Trump twice before and thinks the former president can return to Washington “with a sledgehammer,” despite thinking DeSantis could attract more independent voters in a general election.
Six weeks after launching his campaign, DeSantis has stalled.
His support in national polls has stayed flat, despite increased travel and advertising and widespread expectations that he would be a formidable challenger to Trump. Signs also have emerged that he is struggling to gain traction in the states that will hold the first nomination balloting. A recent poll of New Hampshire voters showed DeSantis having lost 10 points since the previous survey in March, while twice-indicted Trump gained 5 points.
While DeSantis clearly sits in second place and many Republican voters say they like him, an expansive field of candidates makes it harder for him to consolidate support among those looking to move past the former president. He is trying to sell himself to Republican Trump foes, many of whom are moderate. At the same time, he is appealing to Trump fans by portraying himself as more conservative on key issues.
“There is this real conflicted nature to the DeSantis messaging,” said Craig Robinson, a former political director of the Republican Party of Iowa.
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The DeSantis campaign last week circulated a provocative video portraying Trump as soft on LGBTQ issues. The Log Cabin Republicans, a group representing LGBTQ conservatives that hasn’t picked a candidate for 2024, said the video, with images of drag queens and muscular men, was antigay, while others thought it was in poor taste. In an interview this week with a conservative host, DeSantis called the subject “totally fair game.”
The Republican Party of Iowa said Saturday that it would host its first-in-the-nation caucuses Jan. 15, also Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Nominating contests will follow in New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, before additional states weigh in starting in early March.
DeSantis has a well-financed operation. After months of seeming discomfort with the rituals of retail politics, he is taking more questions from voters and trying to show a personable side, often joined by his wife, Casey, and their three young children.
Those close to DeSantis say there is no panic, but some donors have begun to express concern, people familiar with the discussions say. This week Steve Cortes, a spokesman for a super PAC supporting the governor, drew unflattering headlines for comments about being “way behind” in national polls and facing “an uphill battle.” Cortes said in a follow-up statement that DeSantis has a strong path to the nomination.
DeSantis played down his polling in a Fox News interview Thursday. “I have the best record of defeating the left on issue after issue. And we will be making that case over the next six or seven months,” he said. “I’m running to win in January and February. I’m not running to juice polling now.”
GOP pollster Whit Ayres said DeSantis lacks a team that has worked with him before in a close election. Key strategists who helped with his first bid for governor in 2018 are no longer with him—one of them, Susie Wiles, is now a top Trump campaign aide—while his 2022 re-election was a 19-point blowout.
“Politics is a team sport, especially at this level,” Ayres said. “There is no team that has been with him through thick and thin.”
Trump’s legal problems, meanwhile, haven’t hurt him in the polls. Trump collected more than $35 million in the second quarter, almost twice as much as the previous quarter, according to an aide—and his ability to capture the spotlight is as strong as ever. DeSantis raised $20 million in his first six weeks, the campaign said Thursday, not counting tens of millions of dollars a super PAC has taken in.
The Trump campaign in recent days has argued that his polling lead means he is invincible for the nomination and that the other candidates should unite behind him. History suggests that would be premature.
In Iowa, the state that will host the first balloting and one viewed as critical to the DeSantis campaign, the ultimate winner in the 2008, 2012 and 2016 Republican presidential caucuses was only in single digits at this point of the campaign, according to the oft-cited Iowa Poll. None of the three winners of Iowa in those years ultimately captured the GOP nomination, although Iowans argue their role is more to winnow the field than pick a nominee.
Post by: Lucifer on July 10, 2023, 05:31:14 AM
Post by: Little Joe on July 10, 2023, 05:43:17 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 11, 2023, 06:06:06 AM
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A poll found that Florida Republicans strongly favor former President Trump over their governor, Ron DeSantis, in a hypothetical 2024 presidential primary contest.
The new Florida Atlantic University Mainstreet PolCom Lab poll showed that Trump held a 20-point lead over DeSantis among registered GOP voters when asked whom they would support if the 2024 primary were held today. Half said Trump, while 30 percent said DeSantis and 7 percent said they were undecided.
Other candidates who trailed behind them include entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy at 4 percent; Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) at 3 percent; and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), former Vice President Mike Pence and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) each at 2 percent. Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) followed with 1 percent.
The poll was conducted from June 27 to July 1 — before DeSantis faced blowback for a controversial video attacking Trump for his LGBTQ record.
“The poll highlights Donald Trump’s quite durable support. He does especially well with white working-class voters, who have consistently formed a steadfast base for the former President,” FAU political science professor Kevin Wagner said in the poll’s summary. “This persistent support continues to bolster Trump’s strong and steady position within the party.”
Still, the gap between the two candidates is narrowing. In April, a similar poll showed Trump held a 24-point lead over DeSantis, with 57 percent supporting Trump, 33 percent supporting DeSantis, 5 percent undecided, and approximately 6 percent support for other candidates.
Among all voters surveyed in Florida — not just Republicans — respondents supported DeSantis more than Trump: 54 percent approve of DeSantis (41 percent strongly, 13 percent somewhat), and 43 percent disapprove (34 percent strongly, 9 percent somewhat). Trump’s favorability is at 50 percent (33 percent strongly, 17 percent somewhat), and his unfavorability is at 47 percent (38 percent strongly, 9 percent somewhat).
The poll also showed DeSantis would beat President Biden in a head-to-head match-up by 13 points, if it were held today: 49 percent would support DeSantis, 36 would support Biden, 11 percent would support “other” and 4 percent were undecided.
In a match-up between Trump and Biden, on the other hand, Trump would lead by a narrower margin of 10 points: 49 percent would support Trump, 39 percent would support Biden, 10 percent would support “other” and 2 percent were undecided.
“These poll results could be an important motivator for DeSantis to promote his bid for the Republican primary, as he may be a stronger candidate against the incumbent,” FAU political scientist Dukhong Kim said in the summary report. “The poll indicates that the margin held by Trump or DeSantis at this time is larger than the 3.3 percent vote difference observed in the 2020 presidential election, suggesting that Florida is shifting towards becoming a safe state for Republicans.”
The poll included a sample of 933 Florida voters and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level.
Post by: Number7 on July 11, 2023, 06:49:32 AM
Well Trump says mean things to our enemies!!!
So there!!!
Post by: Mase on July 11, 2023, 08:10:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 12, 2023, 12:32:46 PM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fopinion%2Fcampaign%2F4091106-national-popular-vote-scheme-would-relegate-michigan-to-irrelevance%2F
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Michigan voters have long played a pivotal role in presidential elections, until now.
The House Elections Committee in Lansing recently approved House Bill 156, legislation which would enroll Michigan in the so-called “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact,” which could soon be taken up on the House Floor.
It may sound innocent, but National Popular Vote is a left-wing scheme to take over states’ elections and fundamentally transform our constitutional system for electing presidents. If implemented, it would surrender Michigan’s considerable influence in this process to large population centers of the East and West coasts of the country.
In other words, Michiganders would be relegated from decisive swing state voters to mere bystanders in presidential elections.
No longer would Michigan’s fifteen electoral votes go to the presidential candidate who wins support from a majority of the state’s voters. Rather, they would be assigned to whichever candidate gets the most total votes across all the nation’s various state election systems.
So the loser of presidential elections in Michigan would often receive all of Michigan’s electoral votes, with the outcome decided instead by the voters in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois.
New York has 19 million residents, California 39 million, Texas 32 million, Florida 22 million. Michigan has a population of only about 10 million — not much more than metropolitan Chicago, which one can travel through by car in less than an hour.
This doesn’t just dilute the vote of Michiganders — it obliterates it. The Founding Fathers were careful to devise a system where smaller states and less urban populations had a fair say in electing the president.
Incidentally, the Electoral College is also fair to the larger states. Their influence in choosing presidents is preserved even when they have relatively low rates of voter turnout, as California, New York and Texas all do.
But Michigan especially has a lot to lose. Under the current system, Michigan has a magnetic effect on candidates because it has continually swung back and forth between the parties. It has thus long welcomed presidential hopefuls as a campaign-trail “must.” This is the kind of engagement that voters of all types can appreciate.
National Popular Vote’s brazen proponents deceptively argue that their scheme would force candidates to campaign in every state, but this simply isn’t true.
I remember the excitement of George H. W. Bush’s 1992 “Spirit of America” rail tour in Michigan. After stopping in Plymouth, it traveled through my hometown no more than a quarter mile from where I attended elementary school.
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- n a pleasant September afternoon, the long 21-car Union Pacific passenger train sporting two new CSX Transportation’s locomotives, decked out with a patriotic red, white, blue and yellow scheme, having two American flags flying on its flanks with number ‘1992,’ on the lead engine, pulled into the Plymouth railroad station, between Starkweather and Mill, with full pomp and fanfare,” Don Howard of Plymouth Voice recalled in 2018.
“As the slow-moving train came to a halt, Bush stepped out on the rear platform of a last car ‘Baltimore,’ one reserved by the railroad for Presidents, with his sleeves rolled-up he waved to the fans that had spent hours waiting,” he added.
In contrast, the National Popular Vote scheme would render Michigan politically insignificant. Every presidential candidate, in coordination with their brain trust of strategists, consultants and advisers, would allocate their limited time and resources to regions that matter more. The incentive would be to campaign in areas that maximize some combination of population density and partisan uniformity. Michigan, only the 18th densest state and one of the most closely divided from a partisan perspective, loses out on both of those metrics.
Why would candidates bother campaigning in Michigan if they could earn the state’s fifteen electoral votes by campaigning in the right parts of California, Texas, or Florida? Would they take the priorities of Michigan voters to heart if a campaign platform built on the needs of California or Texas voters could still yield victory in Michigan, perhaps even at our expense locally? Of course they wouldn’t.
Michigan is an industrial state. Do you think local concerns about trade with China is the same in California as in Michigan? How about Texas? Not a chance.
In 2016, Hillary Clinton did not even set foot in “blue” Wisconsin. She presumed herself the victor in a state that ultimately swung for Donald Trump. In 2020, Joe Biden’s own political calculus kept him out of “red” Ohio until October, when the state, long thought to be out of reach, was suddenly viewed as a potential pick up.
Biden is wrong to oppose a NATO invitation for Ukraine
North Korea’s nuclear blackmail, an ongoing threat, is worsening
Like other schemes designed to increase the power of the political left, including ranked-choice voting, the corrupt private financing of local election offices (known colloquially as “Zuckerbucks”), Washington Democrats’ failed H.R. 1 national election takeover, and attempts to abolish the Senate’s 60-vote legislative filibuster, National Popular Vote should be rejected.
The integrity of our elections now rests in the hands of Michigan’s legislature. Free and fair elections should represent the will of the state’s voters, not a handful of big cities that determine a way of life for the entire nation.
Post by: nddons on July 12, 2023, 01:18:19 PM
Posted without comment to offend.Way to make yourself irrelevant, Michiganders.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fopinion%2Fcampaign%2F4091106-national-popular-vote-scheme-would-relegate-michigan-to-irrelevance%2F
That’s one way to block being inundated by political ads I guess.
Post by: Lucifer on July 12, 2023, 01:41:58 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 12, 2023, 01:44:32 PM
DeSantis Hits All-Time Low in Delegate Forecast, Holds Crisis Talks With Donors.
Florida man Ron DeSantis is at an all-time low in GOP delegate number predictions, dropping more than 400 since declaring his candidacy, according to ‘Race to the WH,’ which tracks the latest GOP polling data. DeSantis was predicted to receive around 1,413 delegates as late as February 25 this year, leading former President Donald Trump by almost 400. Since then, support for DeSantis has dropped precipitously, with the Governor now forecasted to receive only 405 delegate votes, down from 834 on May 25 – the day after his “historic screw-up” presidential campaign launch on Twitter spaces. Former President Donald Trump, on the other hand, is leading the Republican primary race in 49 US states and is expected to receive as many as 2051 delegate votes in a head-to-head with DeSantis: far more than the necessary 1,234 to win the race for the Republican presidential nomination.
Worse still for DeSantis, Trump is predicted to attain a “decisive” victory in his home state of Florida, where the former President is predicted to receive 45 percent of the vote and gain 125 delegates. This comes as the latest statistical blow to the Governor of Florida, who had to change the subject to the amount of corporate cash he has received when asked about his poor polling last week.
The Governor is also expected to hold crisis talks with donors next week to insist that he is playing the “long game” and not just getting thrashed.
Post by: Anthony on July 12, 2023, 03:34:22 PM
Post by: jb1842 on July 12, 2023, 04:14:18 PM
I like DeSantis. If things progress the way they are, I hope Trump asks him to be VP.
Trump's ego won't allow someone like DeSantis to share the spotlight with him.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 12, 2023, 04:35:52 PM
I like DeSantis. If things progress the way they are, I hope Trump asks him to be VP.DeSantis says he's not a number two.
Post by: Anthony on July 13, 2023, 12:20:26 AM
DeSantis says he's not a number two.
Well his campaign sure is.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2023, 03:21:04 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 14, 2023, 02:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1679912642419228675
Post by: Anthony on July 14, 2023, 03:21:28 PM
Roster just went down by one automaton.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1679912642419228675
Seriously? That's not his concern??? American cities are dying due to Democrat policies and their lack of law enforcement, high taxes, regs for everything, etc.
Post by: Number7 on July 14, 2023, 04:08:52 PM
Roster just went down by one automaton.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1679912642419228675
I can’t begin to figure out who mike is trying to court.
It’s like he bought a book on how to turn off republicans and did everything on every page.
Post by: Lucifer on July 14, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2023, 03:25:34 AM
Roster just went down by one automaton.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1679912642419228675
I think he wasn’t paying attention, and misspoke. He claims that’s not what he meant or it was taken out of context but the damage is done. He was formulating his response while Tucker was still talking, a fatal error. You can even see how he isn’t looking at Carlson. He’s not paying attention. He is not a good public speaker at all. This is a major mess up. I don’t think he cares other than he made a fool of himself because he knows he’s got no chance anyway.
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2023, 03:33:15 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 05:08:36 AM
I think he wasn’t paying attention, and misspoke. He claims that’s not what he meant or it was taken out of context but the damage is done. He was formulating his response while Tucker was still talking, a fatal error. You can even see how he isn’t looking at Carlson. He’s not paying attention. He is not a good public speaker at all. This is a major mess up. I don’t think he cares other than he made a fool of himself because he knows he’s got no chance anyway.
Tucker is brilliant. Pence thought this was going to be yet another GOP softball event, and prepared for the standard canned answers.
Tucker caught him off guard and exposed him. And don't fool yourself, Pence gave an honest answer, he's not concerned. His concern is with the donor class and the UniParty and their objectives.
BTW, Tucker didn't hold back on the others there as well. Don't expect Tucker to be allowed to interview them anymore. That clip of Pence making the remark will be seen over and over in campaign ads because it's true.
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 05:11:38 AM
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A member of a Ron DeSantis political action committee was caught using foul language and admitting to being high on marijuana, as the Florida governor continues to trail former President Donald Trump in the polls.
The video, posted Friday afternoon, shows a canvasser for 'Never Back Down PAC' in Charleston attempting to hand out fliers for DeSantis.
He's heard audibly suggesting on the phone to an unknown caller that if the homeowner hypothetically told him 'f**k you, get off my property,' then 'I'd be like, 'f**k you, eat my b**ls' honestly. Eat my big, hairy s**k.'
He then admits 'I'm a little stoned right now, so I don't even care' as the video clip ends.
Human Events reported Friday that the canvasser no longer works for Never Back Down PAC.
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 05:29:27 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/kamala-harris-says-us-must-reduce-population-to-fight-climate-change-in-latest-gaffe/
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Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday called on the US to “reduce population” in an effort to combat climate change, but she meant to say “reduce pollution,” according to the White House.
The shocking gaffe happened as the 58-year-old vice president delivered remarks at Coppin State University in Baltimore, Md., on the need to build a “clean energy economy.”
“When we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population, more of our children can breathe clean air and drink clean water,” Harris said, eliciting applause from the audience.
The official White House transcript of her speech acknowledges and corrects Harris’ disquieting error.
In the transcript, “population” is crossed out and “pollution” is added in brackets to denote what the VP intended to say.
Post by: jb1842 on July 15, 2023, 05:43:05 AM
Even more honesty
https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/kamala-harris-says-us-must-reduce-population-to-fight-climate-change-in-latest-gaffe/
I'm all for that. Let's start with the climate activists. Put up or shut up.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 15, 2023, 05:58:31 AM
I think he wasn’t paying attention, and misspoke. He claims that’s not what he meant or it was taken out of context but the damage is done. He was formulating his response while Tucker was still talking, a fatal error. You can even see how he isn’t looking at Carlson. He’s not paying attention. He is not a good public speaker at all. This is a major mess up. I don’t think he cares other than he made a fool of himself because he knows he’s got no chance anyway.Thats what struck me … Pence didn’t register Tucker’s litany of America’s problems, specifically in the cities, and totally missed Tucker’s reference to putting Ukraine’s needs over America’s. Pence was even staring with a glazed look away from Tucker. If anything can be said in Pence’s defense, it would be that he tried to shift to yet ANOTHER (his own version) of America’s problems that he, of course, will solve. But the issue of prioritizing Ukraine was completely avoided. Because truly, that is not his concern. He doesn’t address it in any of his campaigning. Yet it is emerging as a real concern for Americans as Biden’s handlers ramp up the war machine. The total is $113 billion now. And our government says it will fight “as long as it takes.” Until what?
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2023, 06:38:14 AM
I'm all for that. Let's start with the climate activists. Put up or shut up.
We have clean air and water NOW. EVs are fucking unnecessary!
Post by: Username on July 15, 2023, 06:45:25 AM
Seriously? That's not his concern??? American cities are dying due to Democrat policies and their lack of law enforcement, high taxes, regs for everything, etc.Really, is it the concern of the federal government that democrat run cities are falling apart? The city government is directly responsible for the state of their city. The state government is also, but less, responsible for the state of the state's cities. So, what could the federal government do to improve the condition of Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, and other democrat shitholes? It it really the responsibility of the federal government to fix these problems? What, constitutionally, can the federal government do? Yes, it's a concern, and he certainly turned off virtually all of his base with that statement. But is it not truth?
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2023, 07:13:32 AM
Really, is it the concern of the federal government that democrat run cities are falling apart? The city government is directly responsible for the state of their city. The state government is also, but less, responsible for the state of the state's cities. So, what could the federal government do to improve the condition of Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, and other democrat shitholes? It it really the responsibility of the federal government to fix these problems? What, constitutionally, can the federal government do? Yes, it's a concern, and he certainly turned off virtually all of his base with that statement. But is it not truth?
It’s very possible this is where he was coming from, but if so he failed to make that point, and even so, it is not a wise point to make if he wants votes, because your average voter doesn’t understand that. Most people have come to accept the central federal government as some sort of overlord. It’s tied to money, federal funds for highways and federal funds for schools for example are used to blackmail states into doing fed’s bidding by threatening to withhold the funds once the states are addicted. So most people just assume the feds have power over the blue shitholes. Just like everybody blamed Trump for the lockdowns when he had nothing to do with it beyond the first few weeks and even then only gave Fauci a platform. It was the governors that ruined the economy with lockdowns.
And even if Pence intended this as his point, he reversed it when he later said we can do both: fix our domestic problems and “be a strong world leader” or however he put it. His message was a confused one and either way, he fails to connect with the ordinary man, something Trump is very good at.
Post by: jb1842 on July 15, 2023, 07:20:54 AM
We have clean air and water NOW. EVs are fucking unnecessary!
Yeah. But I hate the hypocritical climate activists.
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2023, 07:58:49 AM
Really, is it the concern of the federal government that democrat run cities are falling apart? The city government is directly responsible for the state of their city. The state government is also, but less, responsible for the state of the state's cities. So, what could the federal government do to improve the condition of Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, and other democrat shitholes? It it really the responsibility of the federal government to fix these problems? What, constitutionally, can the federal government do? Yes, it's a concern, and he certainly turned off virtually all of his base with that statement. But is it not truth?
I agree with you. The Feds should have never been involved in state and local matters, but the reality is THEY ARE and the states and cities RELY on this funding.
Post by: Username on July 15, 2023, 08:26:09 AM
I agree with you. The Feds should have never been involved in state and local matters, but the reality is THEY ARE and the states and cities RELY on this funding.And politicians of all colors have pounded the idea that the government at all levels is the savior of all things bad. The federal government is in charge of the country so all the country's ills must be cured by the federal government. The proletariat has been conditioned to rely on the federal government as a "safety net" and for retirement and for health care and child care and education and jobs and security and on and on. Don't like something? Ask a federal agency for to regulate it. Local and state governments are abdicating their responsibility to their charges in favor of someone "in Washington" fixing things. Not my problem!! Vote for me and I'll get the federal government to do stuff for us! We see this most clearly with the abominably stupid "popular vote" programs. Michigan (and other states) has made itself irrelevant by allocating its electoral votes according to a group of states' popular votes. Yay big government. Yay big brother.
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2023, 11:00:12 AM
And politicians of all colors have pounded the idea that the government at all levels is the savior of all things bad. The federal government is in charge of the country so all the country's ills must be cured by the federal government. The proletariat has been conditioned to rely on the federal government as a "safety net" and for retirement and for health care and child care and education and jobs and security and on and on. Don't like something? Ask a federal agency for to regulate it. Local and state governments are abdicating their responsibility to their charges in favor of someone "in Washington" fixing things. Not my problem!! Vote for me and I'll get the federal government to do stuff for us! We see this most clearly with the abominably stupid "popular vote" programs. Michigan (and other states) has made itself irrelevant by allocating its electoral votes according to a group of states' popular votes. Yay big government. Yay big brother.
That's why I think a bunch of states need to secede under some kind of compact that all adopt individual electoral colleges in each state to avoid metro areas ruling the entire state.
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 02:57:30 PM
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RATING THE GOP CANDIDATES IN IOWA. Six Republican presidential candidates — Tim Scott, Asa Hutchinson, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Ron DeSantis — appeared Friday at the Family Leadership Summit in Des Moines, Iowa. The event was sponsored by the Family Leader, the most influential social conservative organization in the state. The candidates were questioned by former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. While the event did not make big news like it did back in 2016, when then-candidate Donald Trump notoriously said of the late Sen. John McCain, "I like people who weren't captured," the forum still offered revealing portraits of some of the candidates vying to unseat the now-former President Trump as the leader of the Republican Party. Here is a brief look at how each one did:
Post by: Username on July 15, 2023, 03:23:09 PM
That's why I think a bunch of states need to secede under some kind of compact that all adopt individual electoral colleges in each state to avoid metro areas ruling the entire state.Unfortunately that's exactly why it will never be implemented. Metro areas are going to dominate state politics, and by plan metro will spill out into the suburbs and corrupt them as well. The metro areas will continue to vote in exactly the same politics and politicians turned them into the shitholes they are now. The proletariat have been brainwashed into dependency. The vote cheating has simply accelerated the process of democrat big government dominance. There is just no way the vast, mostly empty counties will overpower the metros. Our only hope is global thermonuclear war or Covid 2.0.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 15, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
Unfortunately that's exactly why it will never be implemented. Metro areas are going to dominate state politics, and by plan metro will spill out into the suburbs and corrupt them as well. The metro areas will continue to vote in exactly the same politics and politicians turned them into the shitholes they are now. The proletariat have been brainwashed into dependency. The vote cheating has simply accelerated the process of democrat big government dominance. There is just no way the vast, mostly empty counties will overpower the metros. Our only hope is global thermonuclear war or Covid 2.0.
What are the big cities going to do without food?
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 04:18:04 PM
https://www.courthousenews.com/biden-brings-in-72m-in-campaign-donations-in-first-three-months/
Post by: Username on July 15, 2023, 04:44:04 PM
I'm skeptical.I'm quite sure that it's true that they are all small donations, but originating in China or Ukraine or somewhere else, funneled through the rubes.
https://www.courthousenews.com/biden-brings-in-72m-in-campaign-donations-in-first-three-months/
Post by: Username on July 15, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
What are the big cities going to do without food?They won't. They'll simply pass laws that farmers must provide food to the cities or be put in prison. But practically, farmers need income from selling crops, and that's the end of that. I'd like to think that the rural counties can hold the cities hostage, but i don't think that can happen.
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2023, 05:42:35 PM
I'm skeptical.
https://www.courthousenews.com/biden-brings-in-72m-in-campaign-donations-in-first-three-months/
Styx talked about that, they twist the numbers. He’s not doing as well as they want you to think. I think it was his livestream today (he usually doesn’t do Saturday).
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 05:53:35 PM
Will There Be a 2024 Election?
Ray DiLorenzo
Most cognizant people will agree... we live in strange times. Our current values, as dictated by our present government, have turned the country upside down. Few in this administration can be relied upon to speak any truth. They go about their business as if no one is watching. The president and his minions are incapable of good government, and are as senile as the man on top, showing signs of a government in old age lacking any fresh ideas or even patriotism. They are just going through the motions.
Biden says he is running for re-election, yet shows no sign of any campaign...strange. If you believe the polling, Biden's approval is stuck in the 30s. He's lost in his own home. He has to be led around like the old, barely ambulatory man he is...the new symbol of America.
The Democrats have finally decided that Biden's and Harris' usefulness is coming to an end. They need a new team that can take direction...a direction to a New World Order where we become just a cog in a big wheel. No more Bill of Rights or Constitution. The Left is convinced that we are not deserving to be a free and powerful nation any longer...too many past sins. But, that is just a feint.
The economic system of the entire world has run its course. We can no longer run on a debt-based economy, printing money whenever the government wants to pay for something it doesn't need, getting into new wars, buying votes. Our banks create money from nothing, then supply it to the economy as a debt rather than lending money already in circulation. This creates inflation, constantly adding more money into the economy. The generation coming of age cannot even think of buying a home or even paying off their student loans. Instead of addressing the inefficiencies of our system, the globalist plan is to develop a Chinese-style socialist system using AI, synthetic biology, metaverse (virtual reality), and digital currency that will forever destroy privacy to become, as the globalists have said (using a Nazi accent) 'masters of the world'...not you, the globalists.
The BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and others) nations know this and are preparing a new gold-based currency to be established this year.
Then we find that Obama has held secret meetings planning Biden's departure and replacement. Never have we seen a former president act with such deliberation to still affect our country, with no election, authority, or commission to do so. In just over two years, the Democrats have turned the United States into a third-world country with nukes. It's almost as if they have called upon the demons of Hell to guide their every move.
The Democrats have made plans, big plans, and they have not included the people in those plans. The Biden administration has become the presidency of lip service. The government stage is like a PT Barnum circus, a new 'act' every minute to divert our attention away from their schemes. One minute it's the weather, caused by climate change, of course. Then it's the mass murders, from perps they let free. Then it's the homeless that have taken over cities with their 'free' drugs and even a city paycheck to keep them where they are. We have drag queen shows to turn peoples' heads, but nothing diverts the attention of a parent or grandparent like a family's 12-year old that has been given condoms and pornography with very official sounding narration coming from their local public school. And then it's the threat of war...sending troops and hundreds of billions of dollars in cash and military equipment, practically draining our supplies, to a country where corruption has met a new high. It's been reported that about 25% of the money sent to Ukraine has ended up in the hands of those all-to-anxious to take it.
Our borders are not secure and for a reason. Our culture and values are purposely being diluted to better accept a new socialist autocratic government. Our DHS Secretary, Mayorkas, is a criminal. He lies as easily as he breaths. He was selected to open the borders and flood our country with unvetted migrants. He argues our border is secure while declaring open new immigration paths from Central America. He's openly defiant of our law and we can't seem to get rid of him!
France is very close to either a civil war, or a military takeover. The open borders in their country allowed unlimited Islamic migration. Only a miniscule number of these migrants have accepted French culture. There are so-called 'No-Go' areas in France and the UK, that are off limits to non-Muslims, even to police. These areas do not accept French law, but only Sharia law. Muslim preachers are exasperating the problem by promoting the marginalization of Muslim immigrants in order to establish separate Muslim societies within France. They have found a new approach to vanquish their enemies. Diversity taken too far will destroy a country.
The Democrats must win the coming 2024 election. They know it. You must understand it. Everything they have worked for these past many years hinges on it. Trump cannot be president again. The Democrats and RINO Republicans have committed too many crimes, too many acts of treason. It's now a matter of saving their own skins. The problems with the 2020 election have not been fixed. Over 70% of Americans feel something went awry in the 2020 election no matter how many times the media or the criminal politicians insist everything was normal. They are certainly not going to risk their lives, their power, or their future on any election.
So, they are selecting our leaders!
If the elections become unavoidable, they will 'fix' the elections in the 6 or 7 battleground states as they did in 2020. It will be planned as a possible back up. Back up to what?
America is a problem to the globalists. It is a free nation with a half billion guns in private hands and a trillion rounds of ammunition. People who don't even think of these things are beginning to become aware of something nefarious developing.
There are responsible, politically aware people that are anticipating a major event will take place sometime before the election. Some call it a black swan event (BSE), a rare, and extreme paradigm-shifting event on the world. Some BSE events in the past were WW1, 9/11, and the 2008 financial crisis. A future BSE could be another financial crisis, or maybe even war. In any case a black swan event that occurs near the 2024 election could prevent the election.
Do I believe there will be a 2024 election? I have serious doubts, but people well above me on the totem pole believe not.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 15, 2023, 08:21:48 PM
Should save everyone a lot of reading time.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 15, 2023, 08:33:41 PM
They won't. They'll simply pass laws that farmers must provide food to the cities or be put in prison. But practically, farmers need income from selling crops, and that's the end of that. I'd like to think that the rural counties can hold the cities hostage, but i don't think that can happen.
Good luck forcing farmers to provide food to the cities.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2023, 03:17:20 AM
Good luck forcing farmers to provide food to the cities.
A lot of the farmland is owned by a couple of big corporations, investment companies and… China.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 03:21:10 AM
Summary of the previous article: author believes the 2024 election will be rigged or the election will be cancelled.
Should save everyone a lot of reading time.
Thanks Cliff. Maybe you should title these "Cliff's notes". ;)
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 03:35:27 AM
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Ron DeSantis’ presidential campaign has fired roughly a dozen staffers — and more are expected in the coming weeks as he shakes up his big-money political operations after less than two months on the campaign trail.
Those who were let go were described to NBC News by a source familiar as mid-level staffers across several departments whose departures were related to cutting costs. The exits come after the departures of David Abrams and Tucker Obenshain, veterans of DeSantis’ political orbit, which were first reported by Politico.
Sources involved with the DeSantis campaign say there is an internal assessment among some that they hired too many staffers too early, and despite bringing in $20 million during its first six weeks, it was becoming clear their costs needed to be brought down.
Some in DeSantis’ political orbit are laying the early blame at the feet of campaign manager Generra Peck, who also led DeSantis’ 2022 midterm reelection bid and is in the hot seat right now.
“She should be,” one DeSantis donor said.
“They never should have brought so many people on, the burn rate was way too high,” said one Republican source familiar with the campaign’s thought process. “People warned the campaign manager but she wanted to hear none of it.”
“DeSantis stock isn’t rising,” the donor added. “Twenty percent is not what people signed up for.”
The person noted that DeSantis has a penchant for switching out staff, which means that he has no core team that has worked together before. DeSantis had three different campaign teams for each of his three runs for Congress, and notably had a huge campaign shakeup during his first run for governor in 2018.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2023, 04:43:02 AM
Thanks Cliff. Maybe you should title these "Cliff's notes". ;)
jim is too busy pretending to be thoughtful and above it all.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 16, 2023, 05:15:45 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-fires-roughly-dozen-staffers-campaign-shake-rcna94470 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-fires-roughly-dozen-staffers-campaign-shake-rcna94470)Sounds a lot like they don't know what they're doing. This is nothing like a state wide election. Meanwhile the political staff grifters made some easy money.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 05:26:37 AM
Sounds a lot like they don't know what they're doing. This is nothing like a state wide election. Meanwhile the political staff grifters made some easy money.
Exactly. That's why I find a lot of this baffling. RDS is a smart guy, it's just so odd that he's let this spiral down so bad.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2023, 05:46:49 AM
Exactly. That's why I find a lot of this baffling. RDS is a smart guy, it's just so odd that he's let this spiral down so bad.
It is baffling. He’s making one bad decision after the other starting with deciding to run against Trump in the first place when it is so clear that waiting until 2028 while he kept his promise to Floridians makes a lot more sense. I suppose he thought he could take advantage of Trump’s “baggage” and miscalculated. He thought more people would abandon Trump and that shows that he has no deep understanding about why people support Trump.
And if that is true, he has a tenuous connection to the common man. It means he doesn’t understand the difference between populism and conservatism. MAGA supporters want pragmatic results, not ideology, and certainly not RINO faux conservatism or the kind of conservatism that touches on authoritarianism or is too cozy with the Uniparty which basically is authoritarianism right now.
The more DeSantis is tolerated by our state controlled media, the less I trust him. They will only support those who submit to the Uniparty.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 06:01:28 AM
It is baffling. He’s making one bad decision after the other starting with deciding to run against Trump in the first place when it is so clear that waiting until 2028 while he kept his promise to Floridians makes a lot more sense. I suppose he thought he could take advantage of Trump’s “baggage” and miscalculated. He thought more people would abandon Trump and that shows that he has no deep understanding about why people support Trump.
And if that is true, he has a tenuous connection to the common man. It means he doesn’t understand the difference between populism and conservatism. MAGA supporters want pragmatic results, not ideology, and certainly not RINO faux conservatism or the kind of conservatism that touches on authoritarianism or is too cozy with the Uniparty which basically is authoritarianism right now.
The more DeSantis is tolerated by our state controlled media, the less I trust him. They will only support those who submit to the Uniparty.
It's his ties to the establishment. The establishment to this day can't figure out why Trump has such solid support. They are locked into politics from decades back. Karl Rove still thinks the voters in the flyover country are concerned with everything that goes on in the beltway, and they aren't concerned with issues that affect them at the lower level.
The GOP has a dismal record on elections, and when you see how badly the RNC is run by Ronna Botox, it makes sense. Had Trump not entered in 2016 we would have had Jeb! against Hillary with Jeb! losing but graciously conceding, right out of the RNC playbook.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2023, 06:08:42 AM
It's his ties to the establishment. The establishment to this day can't figure out why Trump has such solid support. They are locked into politics from decades back. Karl Rove still thinks the voters in the flyover country are concerned with everything that goes on in the beltway, and they aren't concerned with issues that affect them at the lower level.
The GOP has a dismal record on elections, and when you see how badly the RNC is run by Ronna Botox, it makes sense. Had Trump not entered in 2016 we would have had Jeb! against Hillary with Jeb! losing but graciously conceding, right out of the RNC playbook.
Trump threw a wrench into the gears. They can’t get over it and they’re desperate to keep him from doing it again next year.
Post by: Username on July 16, 2023, 06:35:10 AM
Trump threw a wrench into the gears. They can’t get over it and they’re desperate to keep him from doing it again next year.Exactly. There's very little difference between all the parties. Surface level differences at best. And even those are all talk and no action. Their allegiance is to the uniparty and to the one world socialist government. Trump did indeed throw a wrench in the works and gave we the people hope. Can't have that, so they will do everything possible to poison us against him. I truly fear for Trump's safety. There are enough idiots out there willing to do anything for their five minutes of fame. Of course there will be no cameras working and no usable fingerprints.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 16, 2023, 08:47:50 AM
Thanks Cliff. Maybe you should title these "Cliff's notes". ;)
I try to stay informed by reading things even you post, but you when you post content-free crap you deserve the sarcasm for wasting my and possibly other people's time.
Stop copy-and-pasting long-winded opinionated crap and you'll get no complaints from me. I get to post my opinions here and you'll just have to live with it by posting the same lame insults.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 08:58:00 AM
I try to stay informed by reading things even you post, but you when you post content-free crap you deserve the sarcasm for wasting my and possibly other people's time.
Stop copy-and-pasting long-winded opinionated crap and you'll get no complaints from me. I get to post my opinions here and you'll just have to live with it by posting the same lame insults.
Actually Number7 hit this nail dead on
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jim is too busy pretending to be thoughtful and above it all.
As far as your demand for me to stop posting what you don't like?
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Post by: nddons on July 16, 2023, 08:58:21 AM
Roster just went down by one automaton.It’s almost like watching a South Vietnamese monks self-immolate on live TV.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1679912642419228675
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 16, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
As far as your demand for me to stop posting what you don't like?As usual, you have comprehension problems. I didn't demand anything.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
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Post by: Little Joe on July 16, 2023, 11:53:02 AM
Nobody forces anyone to read a post. If it's too long, I'll just skim it or just skip it (rare).If there is no comment by the person posting a link, I almost always just skip it.
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Post by: Little Joe on July 16, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
Actually Number7 hit this nail dead onYou have told me to go away in the past. That is certainly a two-way street too.
As far as your demand for me to stop posting what you don't like?
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Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2023, 01:56:33 PM
You have told me to go away in the past. That is certainly a two-way street too.
No one has ever told you to go away. I called you a pansy. ;) ::)
Post by: Little Joe on July 16, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
No one has ever told you to go away. I called you a pansy. ;) ::)If I wasn't so lazy, and if I really cared, I could pull it up.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 16, 2023, 07:37:40 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-trump-christie-and-gop-debates-new-jersey-877ac3a4?st=kvwjr1p8vzev9dz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-trump-christie-and-gop-debates-new-jersey-877ac3a4?st=kvwjr1p8vzev9dz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
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Notable & Quotable: Trump, Christie and GOP Debates
From former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s July 16 appearance on ABC’s “This Week”:
George Stephanopoulos: You announced this week that you’re going to make the debate stage. You’ve qualified to make the debate stage. Do you think Donald Trump’s going to be there?
Mr. Christie: You know, George, I do. I do think he’ll be there.
Mr. Stephanopolous: Really?
Mr. Christie: Yeah, I think he’ll be there. . . . I’ve known him for a long time, as you know. His ego, I think, will not permit him to have a big TV show that he’s not on. And I think he’d be enormously frustrated sitting back in Bedminster and watching what I’m going to do to him on that stage in absentia.
Mr. Stephanopoulos: Sounds like you’re baiting him to come in.
Mr. Christie: . . . I don’t think I have to, but I’m happy to say right now, come on, Donald, get on the stage and defend your record. You know, if you want to be the nominee, you need to defend your record. And he has a record of four years as president where he didn’t deliver on a lot of issues that Republicans care deeply about. He didn’t repeal and replace ObamaCare like he said he would, even though he had a Republican Congress. He said he was going to balance the budget; he added $6 trillion to the national debt. He said he was going to build the wall in Mexico; he built 47 miles of new wall. You know, George, at that pace in four years, he’d need 110 years as president to be able to finish the wall.
Mr. Stephanopolous: None of that has shaken his support right now . . . inside the base of the Republican Party. What can you say that people haven’t already heard that can change their minds?
Mr. Christie: . . . I think it’s just about patience and persistence on this. He’s got a record that is not great as president. And, by the way, we didn’t even talk about the three-time loser record, where he lost in 2018 the House, lost the Senate and the White House in 2020, and led us to a horrible midterm performance in 2022 with a president who was at 35% job approval. So it’s going to take time, though, George. This guy has been at the front of every Republican primary voter’s mind for eight years. I’ve been in the race for five weeks. Give me some time.
And you can see already when he’s up at one o’clock in the morning posting on Truth Social about me, I think we’re in his head.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2023, 02:31:04 AM
A WSJ opinion article that quotes Chris Christie (I'm neither a fan nor hater of him - not sure what to make of him.)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-trump-christie-and-gop-debates-new-jersey-877ac3a4?st=kvwjr1p8vzev9dz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-trump-christie-and-gop-debates-new-jersey-877ac3a4?st=kvwjr1p8vzev9dz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
He barely registers on my radar but based on that interview, he clearly does not understand Trump’s base.
As for debates, I’m interested in hearing Trump vs Ramaswamy although at the same time I don’t want to because I don’t want them to destroy each other. I don’t care what the rest of them have to say, including DeSantis.
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2023, 04:46:21 AM
He barely registers on my radar but based on that interview, he clearly does not understand Trump’s base.Has Trump made up a name for Ramaswamy yet?
As for debates, I’m interested in hearing Trump vs Ramaswamy although at the same time I don’t want to because I don’t want them to destroy each other. I don’t care what the rest of them have to say, including DeSantis.
If not, I wonder what it will be.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2023, 04:53:57 AM
Has Trump made up a name for Ramaswamy yet?
If not, I wonder what it will be.
Not that I know of. I haven’t listened to much of Trump’s speeches and he’s not on Twitter.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 17, 2023, 05:57:24 AM
Has Trump made up a name for Ramaswamy yet?I think he has to be careful there.
If not, I wonder what it will be.
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2023, 06:01:11 AM
I think he has to be careful there.Trump? Careful? Surely you jest.
I just wonder though, if he happens to have his eye on Ramaswamy for VP, will he go easy on him so as to not damage him, or will he be tough on him to see if he can take the heat.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2023, 06:03:41 AM
I think he has to be careful there.
My take is DJT has respect for Vivek, may be viewing Vivek as a potential running mate or administration official. Also, Vivek is attacking the issues, not Trump.
Post by: Number7 on July 17, 2023, 08:42:12 AM
Has Trump made up a name for Ramaswamy yet?
If not, I wonder what it will be.
I guess feelings are so much more important than the issues…
No wonder so many faux republicans can’t tell the difference.
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2023, 09:00:18 AM
I guess feelings are so much more important than the issues…More proof that you read what you want to read and not what is written.
No wonder so many faux republicans can’t tell the difference.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 17, 2023, 10:04:29 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 17, 2023, 01:47:22 PM
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Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
He barely registers on my radar but based on that interview, he clearly does not understand Trump’s base.
As for debates, I’m interested in hearing Trump vs Ramaswamy although at the same time I don’t want to because I don’t want them to destroy each other. I don’t care what the rest of them have to say, including DeSantis.
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Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 02:43:51 AM
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Never Back Down, a super PAC supporting Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, is about to spend over a million dollars on an ad featuring an artificial intelligence deep fake of former President Donald Trump speaking.
The DeSantis campaign has already come under fire for using a deceptive ai-generated image of Trump embracing Anthony Fauci in another ad.
According to a report from Politico, the ad “charges Trump with attacking Iowa governor Kim Reynolds as part of a larger pattern of disrespect he has shown to the first caucus state.”
“But the audio that the spot uses is not actually from Trump,” the report continues. A person familiar with the ad confirmed Trump’s voice was AI generated. Its content appears to be based off of a post that Trump made on his social media site Truth Social last week. The person said it will run statewide in Iowa tomorrow and that the ad buy was at least $1 million — a massive sum though one doable for the well-heeled super PAC.”
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 03:19:34 AM
If I wasn't so lazy, and if I really cared, I could pull it up.
Why are you so controlled by trivia of the long gone past? Grow the fuck up.
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2023, 03:59:34 AM
Why are you so controlled by trivia of the long gone past? Grow the fuck up.
Oh come on. I’m lazy and don’t care some of the time. And I’m expert at obsessing over trivia from long past. :'(
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 04:12:29 AM
Oh come on. I’m lazy and don’t care some of the time. And I’m expert at obsessing over trivia from long past. :'(
Many, if not most women are. I've had wives bring up things I said or did SEVERAL years in the past during arguments as tools to use against me. Always very trivial crap. Drives me nuts. So I stand by my statement.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 18, 2023, 04:52:16 AM
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2023, 05:26:59 AM
Many, if not most women are. I've had wives bring up things I said or did SEVERAL years in the past during arguments as tools to use against me. Always very trivial crap. Drives me nuts. So I stand by my statement.
Yikes! I didn’t even think of the female angle. I was referring to my OCD.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2023, 05:40:09 AM
Many, if not most women are. I've had wives bring up things I said or did SEVERAL years in the past during arguments as tools to use against me. Always very trivial crap. Drives me nuts. So I stand by my statement.Oh, cry me a river. Men are as bad or worse. My brother can’t let go of childhood stuff, and for years he froze me at 16 or so and couldn’t see that I had grown past all that and changed totally. Kept bringing up this or that from childhood to confirm his calcified opinion of me. My husband is just in the past few years really being able to see me for who I am NOW and not some frozen version of my earlier self. And THAT has taken outright declarations with me pointing out WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I DID OR SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT? Literally he tried to avoid the answer. TWENTY YEARS!!!
Splinter, plank, Anthony.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2023, 05:44:14 AM
Correction: women bring up things they thought you said or didOh, you mean like, “I’m not going to learn to fly,” and then walking out one evening saying you’re going to ground school? Or “I’m not going to buy a plane, but rent,” and then saying you have an appointment with a guy at the airport to test fly his plane, and then buy it?
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 05:54:21 AM
Oh, cry me a river. Men are as bad or worse. My brother can’t let go of childhood stuff, and for years he froze me at 16 or so and couldn’t see that I had grown past all that and changed totally. Kept bringing up this or that from childhood to confirm his calcified opinion of me. My husband is just in the past few years really being able to see me for who I am NOW and not some frozen version of my earlier self. And THAT has taken outright declarations with me pointing out WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I DID OR SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT? Literally he tried to avoid the answer. TWENTY YEARS!!!
Splinter, plank, Anthony.
In my VAST experience, I think most women are worst than most men in the unfair, arguing/bringing up the ancient past category of relationship dynamics. ;D ;D ;D
And yes my current gf brings up the 21 y.o. girl at work that likes to harass me because i mentioned something about her months and months ago. ::)
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2023, 06:00:57 AM
Oh, cry me a river. Men are as bad or worse. My brother can’t let go of childhood stuff, and for years he froze me at 16 or so and couldn’t see that I had grown past all that and changed totally. Kept bringing up this or that from childhood to confirm his calcified opinion of me. My husband is just in the past few years really being able to see me for who I am NOW and not some frozen version of my earlier self. And THAT has taken outright declarations with me pointing out WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I DID OR SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT? Literally he tried to avoid the answer. TWENTY YEARS!!!
Splinter, plank, Anthony.
Now that you mention it, my husband has never forgiven me for canceling a date because I wanted to watch the season finale of Walking Dead seven years ago. I wasn’t even canceling, just wanted to move it to the next night. To this day we can’t even discuss it. He won’t let it go. Yeah men can be an ass.
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 06:04:54 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2023, 06:16:25 AM
I know thread drift, right. I really don't think men and women are meant to coexist or at least cohabitate.To bring it back to topic, liberal men and women are mentally ill and should not be allowed to vote. Not joking.
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2023, 08:27:16 AM
To bring it back to topic, liberal men and women are mentally ill and should not be allowed to vote. Not joking.
No one should be allowed to vote unless they earn enough to pay taxes AND pass a knowledge test on civics, economics and basic biology. And are age 30 or older.
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 08:29:05 AM
No one should be allowed to vote unless they earn enough to pay taxes AND pass a knowledge test on civics, economics and basic biology. And are age 30 or older.
Only actual taxpayers should be able to vote. Not the ones that pay in then get it all back (plus some).
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 02:21:10 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-disappoints-and-some-republicans-seek-new-trump-slaying-savior-215613006.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jaXRpemVuZnJlZXByZXNzLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAaN2bj0PaJydRA_PjAUFCTv4Dtf9FblpgH_0PBP46B0txP1HpePiBqw84k6NzBobzPwwO23_hEUbG0Sly9oLh5zmLBTTJVaEBmu_52bqqtTbjHwij2XYHcEB6c6_xySanzFZFkDn-ehdSr0nZllmzbV67sDEzewSKCExXfmPABm
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 02:22:35 PM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fclips%2F2023%2F07%2F17%2Fcarville-cornel-west-a-threat-to-the-continued-constitutional-order-he-will-get-trump-elected%2F
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2023, 02:39:48 PM
Here's another one Joe, please read:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fclips%2F2023%2F07%2F17%2Fcarville-cornel-west-a-threat-to-the-continued-constitutional-order-he-will-get-trump-elected%2F
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Donald Trump is telling us that, very clearly, is bragging about the fact that he doesn’t want to live under the Constitution anymore.
When did Trump say that?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 18, 2023, 06:51:42 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 07:48:45 PM
https://twitter.com/kristina_wong/status/1681296424665853953/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1681296424665853953¤tTweetUser=kristina_wong
Post by: nddons on July 18, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
I know it’s a meme, but I think it would have been a better plan.A VP has only been elected president in the following term twice in the last 100 years. It’s not likely to ever happen.
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Post by: Little Joe on July 19, 2023, 03:42:23 AM
Joe, open this and watch:Why? Telling me to read something in no way resembles telling me why YOU think I should read it, or what it is about.
edit: Ok, I broke my rule and opened the link, only to find:
"this page no longer exists".
Post by: Rush on July 19, 2023, 04:26:12 AM
Joe, open this and watch:
https://twitter.com/kristina_wong/status/1681296424665853953/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1681296424665853953¤tTweetUser=kristina_wong
I read it but Joe is right, it’s gone now. And I forgot what it said.
Post by: Rush on July 19, 2023, 04:30:24 AM
A VP has only been elected president in the following term twice in the last 100 years. It’s not likely to ever happen.
Interesting. To assume that it won’t happen again because it isn’t a statistical coincidence is a logical fallacy. Then again, statistics usually serve us well.
So if there is a cause-effect, then why would that be? Is it because people see the VP as an underling and not a leader? Or is it because the opposite party is more likely to be elected? Or is it because VPs are chosen specifically because they indeed are not leaders, so as to not show up the president?
Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2023, 04:46:39 AM
I read it but Joe is right, it’s gone now. And I forgot what it said.
https://twitter.com/HungCao_VA/status/1681265056011677696
Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2023, 04:47:55 AM
Why? Telling me to read something in no way resembles telling me why YOU think I should read it, or what it is about.
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Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2023, 05:00:45 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2023, 06:35:22 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 19, 2023, 07:00:14 AM
https://twitter.com/HungCao_VA/status/1681265056011677696Agree on all counts. Too bad he wasn’t born in America. Would make an excellent President.
Post by: Rush on July 19, 2023, 08:34:09 AM
No to no-labels. They’re gun grabbers.
“We believe in the second amendment but also common sense gun control. Ban anyone under 21 from buying any firearms, close gun show loophole.”
They don’t say on their website but probably also support red flag laws and probably banning “assault rifles”.
They claim to be based on Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense”, but I’ve read Common Sense, and I do not recall Paine saying anything about gun control.
While I agree with their idea that most Americans aren’t left or right extremists, and I’m okay with centrism on some issues, gun control is not one of them. It’s one of the two problems I have with RFKJr also. (The other is his greenie-ness). To be fair, even Trump hasn’t been perfect on the issue.
Here’s the thing, while we can negotiate a compromise on several issues, we can even agree that going with “majority opinion” on those matters is reasonable, this does not apply to rights explicitly laid out in the Constitution. It doesn’t matter if 99% of people want gun control and only 1% don’t, the 1% wins. Hell, if it’s 0, they win. The 99 or 100 percent will have to pass another constitutional amendment if they want to curb our right to bear arms.
In the meantime, no-labels is a hard NO.
Post by: Anthony on July 19, 2023, 11:15:04 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 20, 2023, 05:04:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 20, 2023, 06:49:11 AM
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GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy has come under fire for alleged ties to George Soros, the World Economic Forum (WEF), his stance on masks, and a controversial partnership with the National Institutes of Health (NIH) over a centralized COVID-19 patient surveillance database.
In a candid and bold Twitter video, Ramaswamy addressed these allegations head-on. Expressing his readiness to take tough questions, he said, “We’re surging in the polls. The knives are coming out, the opposition research machines are churning. And you know what? That’s a good thing, because I’m running to be your next president. I want to lead this country, and I better darn well be able to take some questions along the way.”
One of the controversies that Ramaswamy answered was his alleged ties to George Soros.
Ramaswamy clarified that he has no connection with George Soros. However, his education was funded by a Soros family member.
In 2010, Ramaswamy received the Paul & Daisy Soros Fellowship for New Americans when he was 24, which helped him pursue a Juris Doctor in Law at Yale University. This fellowship was named after George Soros’s older brother, Paul Soros, a Hungarian-born American businessman and philanthropist, often called “the invisible Soros.”
Post by: Anthony on July 20, 2023, 09:54:17 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 20, 2023, 10:16:06 AM
No connection but he gave him money? WTF?
No direct connection. He has obviously failed to hew to any Soros ideology. But innuendo is more effective than concrete or specific instances of Soros-approved authoritarianism.
Post by: Rush on July 20, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 20, 2023, 05:16:37 PM
Post by: Rush on July 20, 2023, 05:20:16 PM
Post by: Anthony on July 21, 2023, 03:14:43 AM
Sheesh. Nothing wrong with taking a philanthropic grant if you qualify. I don’t care who it came from.
I'm not saying he's corrupt but money usually comes with strings attached. To think otherwise is very naive. I'm not saying that is the case here but I don't know.
Post by: Rush on July 21, 2023, 03:24:43 AM
I'm not saying he's corrupt but money usually comes with strings attached. To think otherwise is very naive. I'm not saying that is the case here but I don't know.
I’d have to know more about it but for individual donations this is true, but if it’s a program where thousands benefit, I doubt they come with strings. I could be wrong.
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2023, 09:11:14 AM
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Former President Donald Trump triumphs in yet another new poll.
The headline at USA Today from reporter David Jackson on July 16 — two days ago — reads this way:
Donald Trump has a big lead for the GOP nomination. Can DeSantis, Pence or anyone else catch him?
The story begins by reporting as follows:
WASHINGTON — A half-year before anyone actually votes, and one year before the Republican nominating convention, the GOP presidential race is in the same place it has been for months: A bunch of challengers chasing former President Donald Trump.
Trump has built a huge lead in polls despite — or because of — two indictments and two other ongoing investigations, while Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and other GOP candidates are scrambling for ways to close the gap on the former president.
Note that one sentence:
Trump has built a huge lead in polls despite — or because of — two indictments and two other ongoing investigations.
There is no question that Trump’s political persecutors have indeed helped him with their seriously rigged banana-republic-style indictments and investigations. Individually, not to mention collectively, what was designed to bring down Trump has backfired and backfired big time.
But, in fact, Trump was far and away in the lead well before those indictments were handed down.
There is a reason.
That reason is that Donald Trump has long since become the embodiment of the contempt and seething anger that millions of Americans feel toward the intrusive busy-body attitude of the federal government, not to mention the condescending holier-than-thou attitude of American elites in all manner of areas of American life. From government to the media to academia to, of all places, sports and countless other locations, the do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do elites have managed to so infuriate millions that those millions are making it their job in life to reelect Trump.
In short? Trump means what he says. And they know it. As was noted by Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on their hit radio show, he is also having fun — and wants everyone to come along and have fun with him.
Take this New York Times report that came on the heels of Trump’s recent speech to the Turning Point Action conference in Florida. The headline:
Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025
The former president and his backers aim to strengthen the power of the White House and limit the independence of federal agencies.
The story, bylined by reporters Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage, and Maggie Haberman, reports this:
Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.
Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.
Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.
Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control….
He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.”
It is very safe to say that there are a heck of a lot of Americans who hear this and feel this is long past time to do.
Recall again that Jan. 31, 2017, Washington Post headline — appearing a mere 11 days after Trump took office — that read:
Resistance from within: Federal workers push back against Trump
The story, reported by the Post’s Juliet Eilperin, Lisa Rein, and Marc Fisher, begins:
The signs of popular dissent from President Trump’s opening volley of actions have been plain to see on the nation’s streets, at airports in the aftermath of his refugee and visa ban, and in the blizzard of outrage on social media. But there’s another level of resistance to the new president that is less visible and potentially more troublesome to the administration: a growing wave of opposition from the federal workers charged with implementing any new president’s agenda.
Less than two weeks into Trump’s administration, federal workers are in regular consultation with recently departed Obama-era political appointees about what they can do to push back against the new president’s initiatives. Some federal employees have set up social media accounts to anonymously leak word of changes that Trump appointees are trying to make.
Not to be forgotten either was this story from the Hill in 2016. It opened by reporting this:
Federal government employees are opening their wallets to help Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump on Nov. 8.
Of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign, according to an analysis by The Hill….
Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.
In other words? The federal bureaucracy is not about doing its various jobs. It is about implementing its left-wing agenda — and Donald Trump stands in their way, with the American people right behind him.
Trump supporters understand at a visceral level that Trump is exactly the person who will be fearless in taking on the thoroughly corrupted bureaucracy that is, among other things, now using the Department of Justice and the FBI to target Trump personally, not to mention average Americans, like those protesting at school board meetings.
The 2024 election promises to come down to a serious fight between millions of Americans versus a relative handful of elites, all too ably represented by President Joe Biden, who have nothing but contempt for average Americans — and are all too willing to use the power of government and other American institutions to target those average Americans.
All of which gives meaning to the repeated polls that show Trump far and away the leader for the 2024 GOP nomination — and the election beyond that.
In short? Trump is trouncing his GOP opposition.
And there is a reason why.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 21, 2023, 02:30:29 PM
IMHO he's lost the plot and thinks these culture war battles will gain him support. Pension fund should sell the stock and move on.
Post by: Rush on July 21, 2023, 02:35:33 PM
Because Anheuser-Busch stock dropped after their Bud Light marketing disaster, DeSantis has directed the state's pension fund, which owns company stock, to investigate the company for violating its fiduciary duty.
IMHO he's lost the plot and thinks these culture war battles will gain him support. Pension fund should sell the stock and move on.
ALL companies that do this DEI/ESG shit need to be investigated for failing their fiduciary duty. It’s more than culture war when companies put woke garbage above making a profit for their investors when our retirement portfolios and pensions are involved.
I agree they should sell the stock but it’s hard to move on when this crap is spreading like cancer to all corporations.
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2023, 02:39:11 PM
Because Anheuser-Busch stock dropped after their Bud Light marketing disaster, DeSantis has directed the state's pension fund, which owns company stock, to investigate the company for violating its fiduciary duty.
IMHO he's lost the plot and thinks these culture war battles will gain him support. Pension fund should sell the stock and move on.
It's one thing to run a statewide election, but it's a total different thing to run a national election. RDS is a smart guy, but his advisors have been sinking his campaign.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 21, 2023, 02:53:43 PM
ALL companies that do this DEI/ESG shit need to be investigated for failing their fiduciary duty. It’s more than culture war when companies put woke garbage above making a profit for their investors when our retirement portfolios and pensions are involved.There was an article on DEI in today's WSJ. Looks like it is being scaled back rather than spreading further:
I agree they should sell the stock but it’s hard to move on when this crap is spreading like cancer to all corporations.
The Rise and Fall of the Chief Diversity Officer
Diversity executives hit the exits as company priorities shift; ‘everything is a battle’
Two years ago chief diversity officers were some of the hottest hires into executive ranks. Now, they increasingly feel left out in the cold.
Companies including Netflix, Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery have recently said that high-profile diversity, equity and inclusion executives will be leaving their jobs. Thousands of diversity-focused workers have been laid off since last year, and some companies are scaling back racial justice commitments.
Diversity, equity and inclusion—or DEI—jobs were put in the crosshairs after many companies started re-examining their executive ranks during the tech sector’s shake out last fall. Some chief diversity officers say their work is facing additional scrutiny since the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action in college admissions and companies brace for potential legal challenges. DEI work has also become a political target.
Post by: Rush on July 21, 2023, 05:05:38 PM
There was an article on DEI in today's WSJ. Looks like it is being scaled back rather than spreading further:
The Rise and Fall of the Chief Diversity Officer
Diversity executives hit the exits as company priorities shift; ‘everything is a battle’
Two years ago chief diversity officers were some of the hottest hires into executive ranks. Now, they increasingly feel left out in the cold.
Companies including Netflix, Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery have recently said that high-profile diversity, equity and inclusion executives will be leaving their jobs. Thousands of diversity-focused workers have been laid off since last year, and some companies are scaling back racial justice commitments.
Diversity, equity and inclusion—or DEI—jobs were put in the crosshairs after many companies started re-examining their executive ranks during the tech sector’s shake out last fall. Some chief diversity officers say their work is facing additional scrutiny since the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action in college admissions and companies brace for potential legal challenges. DEI work has also become a political target.
I just saw that on Twitter. I hope it’s a sign people are waking up to how destructive that shit is. If you care about your 401k for example. Maybe they saw what happened to Bud Light.
Post by: Anthony on July 22, 2023, 03:18:10 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 24, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
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The left wants all future elections to look just like they did in 2020, and we have the blueprints to prove it. Covid-19 was the excuse Democrats used to radically transform our nation’s election systems in ways that make them less secure, less fair, and more vulnerable to mischief. Virtually all of the “temporary” changes introduced—ever-earlier voting, mass mail-in balloting, and lax penalties for fraudsters—have become codified everywhere Democrats rule unopposed.
It was never about protecting Americans from the coronavirus; it was always about seizing power. If conservatives are to win in 2024, they must be all-in. In many states that will mean using the left’s tools against them, until principled patriots once again have the power to restore trust and confidence in our elections. That starts by understanding the left’s playbook for meddling with 2024.
The 2020 election might fairly be called the country’s first all-mail election, given how Democrats changed our laws and procedures to encourage voting by mail simply to defeat Donald Trump. Credit the National Vote at Home Institute for that grift—whose ex-leader, Amber McReynolds, now leads the campaign to seize control of the U.S. Postal Service in order to continue the campaign for all-mail elections.
Every “progressive” group supports that objective, but the left-wing NewDEAL Forum explains why in its “Democracy Playbook” for warping 2024, which the Washington Post endorsed in February.
It is worth first noting the document’s authors: Michigan's Democratic Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, who wants Michigan to adopt all-mail elections after trying the scheme in 2020, and Arizona's Democratic Secretary of State Adrian Fontes, who calls Republicans “fascists” and “election deniers”; Sandra Jauregui, a Las Vegas assemblywoman who introduced legislation in March to curb right-wing “domestic terrorism”; and Ken Lawrence, election board chairman for Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, which voted narrowly to certify the 2020 election results despite receiving numerous ballots after Election Day.
NewDEAL wants every state to expand early voting and adopt no-excuse absentee voting—note that eleven of the fifteen states that require a reason to vote absentee are Republican-run—as well as automatically mail every voter a ballot without their solicitation. That is effectively adopting all-mail elections, something eight states currently do (only one of which, Utah, is Republican-run).
Democrats knew they needed private drop boxes purchased with “Zuck bucks” to hoover up all of those mail-in ballots in 2020, so NewDEAL recommends making them a permanent feature of all future elections. (The true goal is to turn USPS into a mail-in ballot collection machine, with drop boxes as a stopgap measure.)
NewDEAL also wants to weaken signature-matching requirements on absentee ballots because they “discriminate against voters who already face other obstacles to voting.” Any errors, the group says, can then be corrected with liberal ballot-curing laws.
But that’s not all—states, they say, should also extend the deadline for postmarking absentee ballots to Election Day, guaranteeing that ballot-counting will drag on for days or weeks after the first Tuesday in November. Eighteen states plus D.C. currently accept and tabulate ballots received after Election Day, in some cases up to 14 days later. They aren’t all blue states, either—North Dakota is engaged in a lawsuit with the right-leaning Public Interest Legal Foundation for its late-acceptance law.
Yet this policy is “the most voter-friendly,” the group assures us, with my emphasis
allowing voters to fill out and mail their ballot on Election Day. While this method could result in a longer waiting period to determine the winner of an election, it allows the most voters to participate.
The parties have known for decades that voting by mail is the least-secure way of conducting elections. That was a central finding of the 2005 bipartisan Carter-Baker report. Both Team Obama and Clinton protested a recount in Florida’s 2008 presidential primary because officials wanted to hold it via mail, with Obama campaign manager David Plouffe voicing his “real deep concerns” about the “reliability and security of a mail-in vote.”
One of the ugliest features of the 2020 and 2022 elections was the way counting dragged on long past Election Day, creating ample opportunities for mischief and secrecy. No one seriously thinks codifying these malpractices will encourage trust in election security—that was never the point.
Democrats have put all their resources into building a gigantic ballot-harvesting machine that can register and turn out tens of millions of voters each cycle. But this juggernaut relies on unreliable voters who fail to register or show up on Election Day. So operatives have staked everything on mail-in ballots, believing they can ensure those ballots are marked and counted, and each of these policies makes their job easier.
For conservatives, the goal must be to block Democrats from expanding the all-mail election project in red and purple states while also teaching Republican voters to vote early and by mail.
The 2020 election proved the left’s multi-million-dollar voter registration machine’s worth, by unseating a sitting president and seizing narrow control of Congress. Restoration News has written extensively on the premium Democratic operatives place on voter registration, something conservatives gave up on doing 15 years ago. Leftists have only doubled-down since then.
The Brennan Center, the think tank largely responsible for devising this strategy, wants to cement the left’s advantage with automatically registering every citizen to vote. This is a key provision of the Democrats’ extreme “For the People Act” (H.R.1) that the think tank takes credit for first proposing. In practice, that means that individuals are “automatically signed up to vote,” when they “give information to [government] agencies.” Twenty-three states and D.C. currently do this, only three of which are reliably Republican. The Brennan Center estimates this policy would add 50 million people to the voter rolls nationwide—roughly one-third the number of ballots cast in 2020.
Automatic voter registration’s “sister” policy is same-day registration (also in H.R.1), which allows individuals to register to vote and cast a ballot on the same day—often Election Day—leaving little time for officials to verify their eligibility. If that sounds trifling, consider that New York has both same-day registration and no ID requirement to vote. What is to stop a non-citizen from registering and voting under a fake name and address?
NewDEAL Forum supports both of these policies while pretending they are fair and absolutely, positively won’t favor Democrats. NewDEAL also proposes pre-registering 16-year-olds to vote when they turn 18. But that is a smokescreen; the real objective is to lower the voting age to 16, something supported by the leftist group FairVote and enshrined in legislation introduced in January by Democratic Rep. Grace Meng of New York—with endorsements from Rock the Vote, Generation Citizen, and other left-wing activist groups.
As if that was not enough, the Brennan Center urges states to automatically restore voting rights to felons, or even allow inmates to vote from prison. But they don’t want prisoners voting in their home states, but rather the states they are incarcerated in—giving them inroads into many southern and southeastern states such as North Carolina and Texas.
The right conservative response is clear: Halt the advance of automatic voter registration laws and roll back same-day registration in Virginia, North Carolina, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, New Hampshire, and Iowa. The left demands you expand their pool of voters for zero conservative gain. Republicans, tell them to pound sand—do not be bullied by whiny self-servers.
“The number one threat to democracy is unending misinformation,” Minnesota Secretary of State Steven Simon blasted in 2022. NewDEAL Forum agrees. Until recently, the terms “misinformation” and “disinformation” were confined to warcraft and espionage—then the left turned them into weapons to use against conservatives.
Living in a free society means enduring opinions you dislike, whether spread by accident or by liars. The First Amendment to the Constitution does not recognize any authority (beyond God) to define “facts” and acceptable political speech. But that is exactly what the efforts to police mis- and disinformation are: A way to dictate politically expedient “facts” by a power-hungry party, Pravda-style.
Conservatives rightly booed Biden’s Disinformation Board, but they haven’t paid enough attention to Democrats’ efforts to criminalize election integrity advocates’ speech in the states. NewDEAL wants election officials to “aggressively counter misinformation” in part by “form[ing] relationships with journalists”—doubtless those at the New York Times and not, say, Tucker Carlson—and supplying them with the “facts.” NewDEAL also wants heftier laws to prosecute voter “intimidation,” which the left may define as any effort by conservative groups to monitor election administration and polling places.
Meanwhile, the Brennan Center goes much further. To counter “misinformation,” the center writes, the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) should spread “accurate information” through “public-private partnerships.” The center wants states to “prohibit the spread of materially false information concerning the time, place, or manner of voting with the intent to prevent voters from exercising their right to vote.” But who is to prove intent?
Further, the think tank demands, states must “establish [an] authority to prohibit individuals who violate election laws from administering elections and to decommission jeopardized equipment.” In practice, that almost certainly means barring anyone who raised objections to certifying the 2020 election from ever working in elections again. The center also proposes laws allowing “affected voters and other aggrieved parties to sue individuals...[who] deliberately spread election falsehoods,” an act that would unleash the ACLU and other professional litigation groups upon anyone who questioned the 2020 election results.
And for those electors who threatened not to certify the Electoral College results in December 2020, the Brennan Center wants to open them up to lawsuits if they fail to certify by a certain deadline. Such a law would reduce the Electoral College to an absurd formality, rather than what the Founders meant it to be: One more check to prevent tyranny.
But Americans don’t want the totalitarianism the left offers. Even run of the mill Democratic voters don’t consider “expanding voting rights” anything like a top priority, per a recent poll by the leftist group Data for Progress.
Today’s Democratic Party is addicted to power and will not surrender it, no matter which presidential nominee Republicans put forth in 2024. Conservatives have a big opportunity to be the party of free speech and liberty, but only if they are serious about battling “misinformation” laws and defending the Electoral College.
House Republicans’ newly introduced ACE Act suggests they might be. Almost every provision in the bill is designed to counter or preempt these measures, from mandating photo ID for first-time mail voters, to banning private funding for elections, to prohibiting non-citizens from voting in state and local elections.
The ACE Act is an excellent start, but it needs to go further. Conservatives are learning that saving the country means learning to out-fox the enemy in mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting. That may look ugly to many, but they should remember this: The true glory we aim for is not simply to win an election, but to restore our republic.
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2023, 04:26:09 PM
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1683875214952738819
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2023, 06:01:55 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 04:47:37 AM
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2023, 05:02:48 AM
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1683953721737109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1683953721737109504%7Ctwgr%5Ef91ea0191930d51890085411927224c95261680e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
Thank God for Elon Musk. Now we can run such ads. However, it seems his new CEO, who started in July, is starting to censor conservative voices. We don’t know why Dom was suspended but it’s not a good start.
If you saw the video of Elon and this broad (his new CEO I forget her name) talking about “free speech”, you saw the red flags. They discussed the importance of getting advertisers back. And that we have “free speech but not free reach”. Code for you can say what you want but we will algorithmically demote you. And now here it is still July, she hasn’t even been here a full month and she’s already outright censoring.
Dom Lucre was posting a whole lot of embarrassing things which may or may not be true but were fair game for public figures. If the target felt it crossed the line into defamation, they can have their attorney send a cease and desist letter. It’s not up to Elon’s new CEO to censor things that in her opinion aren’t true, or go against the approved narrative.
Having said that, I don’t know of course whether it was her that did it, or remnants of the old speech police Elon hasn’t been able to root out yet. We shall see if he reverses the suspension and provides an explanation.
https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1684075549768167425
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 07:01:06 AM
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2023, 09:34:00 AM
https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1684017715609063425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1684017715609063425%7Ctwgr%5E2f10c177a2ef2321119842b0150d3ba15acff394%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
What I like about RFKJr is that he really knows the history wrt Russia. He understands how the actions of the west provoke Russia. Most of the U.S. doesn't seem to. On the left, Russia is pure evil because they helped Trump get elected in 2016. On the right, like Sean Hannity just said, Putin is an evil dictator. Neither position is helpful. RFKJr (can I shorten that to RK?) understands the nuance and complexity. How can you negotiate and avoid (or end) war if you fail to put yourself in your opponent's shoes and see it from their side?
Right now if you talk like that, the left (uniparty, MSM, etc.) will call you Putin lovers, again, because Orange Man Bad and they associate being against funding Ukraine to being pro-Russia, which IS NOT THE CASE.
What I HATE about RK is his being anti-gun. Despite him softening that in recent interviews, he has in the not too distant past said a lot of horrible gun grabbing stuff. I do not trust him on that issue and that is almost a deal killer for me. However, Biden is equally as bad on guns, so between Biden and RK, it's RK. At least he might keep us out of a nuclear holocaust.
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 12:33:30 PM
What I like about RFKJr is that he really knows the history wrt Russia. He understands how the actions of the west provoke Russia. Most of the U.S. doesn't seem to. On the left, Russia is pure evil because they helped Trump get elected in 2016. On the right, like Sean Hannity just said, Putin is an evil dictator. Neither position is helpful. RFKJr (can I shorten that to RK?) understands the nuance and complexity. How can you negotiate and avoid (or end) war if you fail to put yourself in your opponent's shoes and see it from their side?
Right now if you talk like that, the left (uniparty, MSM, etc.) will call you Putin lovers, again, because Orange Man Bad and they associate being against funding Ukraine to being pro-Russia, which IS NOT THE CASE.
What I HATE about RK is his being anti-gun. Despite him softening that in recent interviews, he has in the not too distant past said a lot of horrible gun grabbing stuff. I do not trust him on that issue and that is almost a deal killer for me. However, Biden is equally as bad on guns, so between Biden and RK, it's RK. At least he might keep us out of a nuclear holocaust.
RFK,Jr appeals to moderate democrats (those who have been abandoned by the DNC) as well as independents and moderate republicans. This terrifies the democrat communist.
While he may have some left leanings toward the 2A, he does respect the constitution and the rule of law.
No candidate is perfect. But many have some really horrible backgrounds and positions.
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2023, 12:52:59 PM
RFK,Jr appeals to moderate democrats (those who have been abandoned by the DNC) as well as independents and moderate republicans. This terrifies the democrat communist.
While he may have some left leanings toward the 2A, he does respect the constitution and the rule of law.
No candidate is perfect. But many have some really horrible backgrounds and positions.
Respecting the Constitution and rule of law disqualifies him as today’s version of a Democrat.
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 01:21:29 PM
Respecting the Constitution and rule of law disqualifies him as today’s version of a Democrat.
Exactly. This is why the DNC has ceased to exist for moderate members. And this is why the DNC communist are terrified.
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 05:09:13 PM
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) net favorability has fallen to a historic low among registered voters, according to data from the latest Civiqs survey.
The survey asked registered voters if they have a favorable or unfavorable view of DeSantis, who announced his presidential bid in late May.
The latest data shows a majority, 57 percent, view the presidential hopeful unfavorably, compared to 33 percent who have a favorable view. That gives him a net favorability rating of -24, the lowest recorded in this particular survey.
For further comparison, on Election Day 2022, 48 percent viewed DeSantis unfavorably, compared to 46 percent who had a favorable view. The gap narrowed to one point difference in December, but it only continued to grow from January into the rest of the year.
On the day of his campaign launch, May 24, 2023, 55 percent had an unfavorable view of DeSantis, compared to 36 percent who had a favorable view. At that point, he had a net favorability rating of -19 percent.
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2023, 05:35:07 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2023, 05:41:01 AM
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Post by: Anthony on July 27, 2023, 06:09:47 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 27, 2023, 06:15:56 AM
Could be interestingIdiot Dems would fall over themselves to get behind a ticket like that because it’s less appalling than Biden and his slimy crime family laden with treason, scandal and debauchery. However, I don’t think RFK/Gabbard will be allowed by the globalist cabal. It’ll have to be a ticket taker like the gruesome Newsom. Also however, assuming a legit election, which will not happen, it’s the independents who matter, not the immovable ends of the spectrum.
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Like “controlling” the climate though, all this election speculation is moot. Our best bet is to put all energy into securing election integrity to get rid of corrupt ticket takers and reset government to serving Americans.
Post by: Rush on July 27, 2023, 06:19:34 AM
I just can't get past RFKs stance on enacting yet more gun laws.
I’m hoping that what appears to be an increasing conversation he’s having with the right will expose him to data showing that more gun laws is not the answer. I have to assume his gun control stance is a combination of his consumption of anti-gun propaganda (basically all of mainstream media) and him being a Democrat which requires him to agree with the basic Democrat gun control position.
But maybe he is also a thinking, open minded person and can change his views. Like Tulsi Gabbard seems to be doing. The problem however, is JFK and RFK. Those assassinations occurred when he was very young and deeply traumatized him. It’s possible he’s got a bias against guns because of that and it became part of his core personality and is now unchangeable.
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2023, 06:22:47 AM
Like “controlling” the climate though, all this election speculation is moot. Our best bet is to put all energy into securing election integrity to get rid of corrupt ticket takers and reset government to serving Americans.
+1000%
If we actually had free and fair elections this would resolve itself within a couple or three election cycles. So far the republican plan is to hope for the best, which is not going to work.
Post by: Rush on July 27, 2023, 06:26:15 AM
Idiot Dems would fall over themselves to get behind a ticket like that because it’s less appalling than Biden and his slimy crime family laden with treason, scandal and debauchery. However, I don’t think RFK/Gabbard will be allowed by the globalist cabal.
You can tell they won’t be allowed by how RFKJr is being treated by the Democrat controlled propaganda machine (mainstream media).
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 29, 2023, 09:44:34 AM
Post by: Rush on July 29, 2023, 09:51:09 AM
Trump is now alleged to have asked to have recordings of surveillance video erased after a draft subpoena was released to him and his lawyers. If true, IMHO the man was being a bozo and if elected is unlikely to accomplish shit because he appears to have no clue about how to avoid feeding his enemies fodder.
How the hell do we know anymore what’s true and what’s not?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 29, 2023, 10:46:20 AM
Trump is now alleged to have asked to have recordings of surveillance video erased after a draft subpoena was released to him and his lawyers. If true, IMHO the man was being a bozo and if elected is unlikely to accomplish shit because he appears to have no clue about how to avoid feeding his enemies fodder.
Many allegations have been levied. How many of those were complete lies?
But sure, go ahead speculate about "if true"
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2023, 12:05:01 PM
How the hell do we know anymore what’s true and what’s not?
And convenient how this came out right at the same time that we hear proof of a compromised president and also his son’s plea deal falling apart.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
Post by: Number7 on July 29, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
Trump is now alleged to have asked to have recordings of surveillance video erased after a draft subpoena was released to him and his lawyers. If true, IMHO the man was being a bozo and if elected is unlikely to accomplish shit because he appears to have no clue about how to avoid feeding his enemies fodder.
What horse were you following behind when you came up with this hose shit??
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 06:06:39 AM
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Vivek Ramaswamy Aligns with McConnell, DeSantis, Club for Growth and Wall Street Promoting U.S. to Reenter TPP Trade Agreement
July 29, 2023 | Sundance
The multilateral trade agreement known as the Transpacific Partnership (TPP), is a massive pacific rim trade agreement favored by Wall Street, the US Chamber of Commerce, Club for Growth, Ron DeSantis (voted to approve) and now candidate Vivek Ramaswamy.
President Trump famously took the U.S. out of the TPP agreement around the same time he took us out of the Paris Climate Agreement. As noted by President Trump and his economic team at the time, Free Trade Agreements (FTA’s) are beneficial to the USA when they are bilateral between the U.S. and another singular nation. Multinational trade agreements end up serving the interests of the least common denominator nation and are detrimental in their finished outcome to U.S. consumers.
Wall Street loves multinational trade agreements because they provide greater flexibility for the profit opportunities of global corporations, multinational corporations and banks. However, Main Street USA suffers from lost manufacturing jobs, lowered overall wages, and cheap imported durable goods that are an outcome of the lowest cost manufacturing priority.
During a Twitter spaces discussion yesterday presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said he was in favor of reengaging the U.S. in the TPP trade agreement. This is a non-starter for any America First economic platform.
“I think we should re-enter it,” Ramaswamy said to Musk about 94 minutes into the conversation on Twitter. “I think this is a little bit different than what, you know, the course of action taken by Trump in exiting the TPP [Trans-Pacific Partnership]. I think that was actually a poor decision.” (link)
This should be a disqualifying position for any consideration in the Trump administration.
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 06:10:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 06:30:40 AM
Ken Cuccinelli, the guy that started the Never Back Down super PAC that is backing DeSantis.
During the interview Gaetz mentioned that RDS wasn't as enthusiastic on the campaign trail for president as he was when he was running for Governor and re-election for governor. Gaetz added he had worked closely with DeSantis as a part of his transition team.
Ken Cuccinelli replied that RDS was very enthusiastic. Then Gaetz hit Cuccinelli with a question of if RDS continues losing support, would Never Back Down dump him and switch support to VA Gov Youngkin who is toying with the idea of a presidential run.
This startled Cuccinelli, and he basically said that was not being considered, they are solid behind RDS. etc, etc. But his reaction said otherwise. Something tells me that Never Back Down is getting ready to dump RDS, and Gaetz has inside information on what they are up to.
Post by: Rush on July 30, 2023, 06:52:13 AM
A couple of nights ago I was watching NewsMax. Rep Matt Gaetz was hosting a program and had as his guest
Ken Cuccinelli, the guy that started the Never Back Down super PAC that is backing DeSantis.
During the interview Gaetz mentioned that RDS wasn't as enthusiastic on the campaign trail for president as he was when he was running for Governor and re-election for governor. Gaetz added he had worked closely with DeSantis as a part of his transition team.
Ken Cuccinelli replied that RDS was very enthusiastic. Then Gaetz hit Cuccinelli with a question of if RDS continues losing support, would Never Back Down dump him and switch support to VA Gov Youngkin who is toying with the idea of a presidential run.
This startled Cuccinelli, and he basically said that was not being considered, they are solid behind RDS. etc, etc. But his reaction said otherwise. Something tells me that Never Back Down is getting ready to dump RDS, and Gaetz has inside information on what they are up to.
Interesting. But all of this is kind of becoming background noise to me. Trump has the nomination absent an extraordinary event, and I don’t care what all the rest of them do. I will say that if Youngkin gets in the race now he will be making the same mistake DeSantis made. He should wait til 2028.
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 06:59:47 AM
Interesting. But all of this is kind of becoming background noise to me. Trump has the nomination absent an extraordinary event, and I don’t care what all the rest of them do. I will say that if Youngkin gets in the race now he will be making the same mistake DeSantis made. He should wait til 2028.
It's fascinating to watch a lot of this play out.
What it shows me is how shallow the establishment republicans are when it comes to candidates. RDS has fallen for this and jumped into bed with them, when IMO had he just sat out 2024 and kept the establishment at arm's length, he would have been better positioned for 2028.
And I agree with you, it would be bad for Youngkin to jump in the race at this time, especially with the backing of the establishment.
Post by: Rush on July 30, 2023, 08:04:56 AM
It's fascinating to watch a lot of this play out.
What it shows me is how shallow the establishment republicans are when it comes to candidates. RDS has fallen for this and jumped into bed with them, when IMO had he just sat out 2024 and kept the establishment at arm's length, he would have been better positioned for 2028.
And I agree with you, it would be bad for Youngkin to jump in the race at this time, especially with the backing of the establishment.
It’s like the establishment Republicans are throwing everything at the wall hoping something sticks because they are desperate to prevent another Trump term. It’s not well thought out or well managed. They are in total denial about Trump’s popularity and about MAGA in general because MAGA is about the middle class, the working man and the common man and the establishment Republicans are completely out of touch with all of that. The Democrats are even worse. They aren’t even bothering to throw anything against the wall because they are confident their upcoming cheating will reinstall their mindless puppet. And they aren’t simply out of touch with the common man, they actively despise us. They are contemptuous and dismissive of us and of the Constitution itself. RFKJr is not one of their profferings.
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 08:19:41 AM
It’s like the establishment Republicans are throwing everything at the wall hoping something sticks because they are desperate to prevent another Trump term. It’s not well thought out or well managed. They are in total denial about Trump’s popularity and about MAGA in general because MAGA is about the middle class, the working man and the common man and the establishment Republicans are completely out of touch with all of that. The Democrats are even worse. They aren’t even bothering to throw anything against the wall because they are confident their upcoming cheating will reinstall their mindless puppet. And they aren’t simply out of touch with the common man, they actively despise us. They are contemptuous and dismissive of us and of the Constitution itself. RFKJr is not one of their profferings.
Well said. Leading up to 2016, the republican party was on it's last legs and dying. Trump rejuvenated the party and brought in people like never before. The republican leadership couldn't figure this out, but was happy thinking these voters would fall lockstep into their establishment ideology and give them an expanded base. The leadership also believed they were done with Trump and gladly see him scandalized out of office so they could quickly put a UniParty guy in his place (Pence).
Since then they still can't figure out why Trump's base is still there. Rather than coming to terms with it, they work even harder to get rid of them.
One thing Trump has done is to expose both the republicans and democrats for what they really are, and that's why they hate him so much.
Post by: Anthony on July 30, 2023, 10:09:52 AM
Post by: Rush on July 30, 2023, 11:09:31 AM
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1685700999799767040
Post by: Number7 on July 30, 2023, 11:20:01 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 30, 2023, 01:50:34 PM
Trump is now alleged to have asked to have recordings of surveillance video erased after a draft subpoena was released to him and his lawyers. If true, IMHO the man was being a bozo and if elected is unlikely to accomplish shit because he appears to have no clue about how to avoid feeding his enemies fodder.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/mar-lago-security-tapes-were-not-deleted-trump/
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 30, 2023, 02:22:10 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/mar-lago-security-tapes-were-not-deleted-trump/
Why I used "if true".
A commentator to that story linked to this story on Jack Smith's record and tactics:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/4/jack-smiths-record-rife-mistrials-overturned-convi/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/4/jack-smiths-record-rife-mistrials-overturned-convi/)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 31, 2023, 09:49:47 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3589)
Post by: Anthony on July 31, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 31, 2023, 11:34:46 AM
Post by: Rush on July 31, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
I didn’t notice it was from rds at first. It read like points from President Trump
Exactly. It’s virtually the same as Trump but Trump has the will to make it happen. RDS has yet to prove if he does or it he is just another republican with empty promises.
Post by: Number7 on July 31, 2023, 12:49:41 PM
It is just as funny seeing the wish washy fake republicans frightened of a Trump a presidency because they’ve been told to be. That kind of weakness is disturbing for sure.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 01, 2023, 05:09:27 AM
Post by: Rush on August 01, 2023, 05:20:36 AM
One has to wonder, if Trump is deemed unelectable by the masses, why are the Democrats working so hard to keep him off the ballot?
They’re afraid their cheating won’t be enough.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 01, 2023, 05:22:24 AM
One has to wonder, if Trump is deemed unelectable by the masses, why are the Democrats working so hard to keep him off the ballot?Because they think he is loathsome and a threat to democracy and that the masses are idiots who would actually elect a loathsome threat to democracy.
OR
Democrats (really, the Uniparty, as Republicans are working to keep him off the ballot too) don’t want him to upset their gravy train.
Post by: Rush on August 01, 2023, 05:24:34 AM
Because they think he is loathsome and a threat to democracy and that the masses are idiots who would actually elect a loathsome threat to democracy.ORAND
Democrats (really, the Uniparty, as Republicans are working to keep him off the ballot too) don’t want him to upset their gravy train.
FIFY
Post by: Lucifer on August 01, 2023, 06:22:07 AM
One has to wonder, if Trump is deemed unelectable by the masses, why are the Democrats working so hard to keep him off the ballot?
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Post by: Little Joe on August 01, 2023, 07:22:20 AM
One has to wonder, if Trump is deemed unelectable by the masses, why are the Democrats working so hard to keep him off the ballot?I'm beginning to believe that Trump just might be able to beat Biden. But that is a mighty low bar.
I'm quite disappointed in RDS's campaign so far, but I still have hope for someone like Ramaswamy (who I just heard has qualified for the first debate).
What I'm seeing is that people that want Trump, REALLY want Trump,
But the people that prefer Biden, REALLY DON'T WANT TRUMP. Very few people really want Biden. Except for his handlers.
I'm hoping that the people that really want something have a better shot than the people that just don't want the other thing.
If the Democrats wake up and nominate someone that is truly electable, then Trump is in trouble.
Post by: Lucifer on August 01, 2023, 07:27:59 AM
If the Democrats wake up and nominate someone that is truly electable, then Trump is in trouble.
The democrats have that person, his name is Robert Kennedy, Jr. However, the radicals in the DNC don't want him, and are fighting to keep him off the ticket.
Post by: Little Joe on August 01, 2023, 07:34:05 AM
The democrats have that person, his name is Robert Kennedy, Jr. However, the radicals in the DNC don't want him, and are fighting to keep him off the ticket.You are right. That is why it scares me when conservatives say they may vote for RFK in the Dem primary. IMHO, that assures that Trump won't win.
Post by: Lucifer on August 01, 2023, 07:41:07 AM
You are right. That is why it scares me when conservatives say they may vote for RFK in the Dem primary. IMHO, that assures that Trump won't win.
The dims are fighting to keep RFK,Jr off the ballots. They will succeed in several blue shithole states to do just that. FJB won't even allow RFK,Jr SS protection, which endangers his life.
The DNC has a penchant for rigging their primaries, and have done so in the past. RFK,Jr will have to run as an independent (outside of the DNC) in the general if he can maintain donations and a campaign.
The DNC will not allow him to win the primaries, and will not allow him to be their nominee.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 01, 2023, 10:48:55 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 01, 2023, 10:59:25 AM
So while ABC PAC may endorse candidate A, there is nothing to say they can't dump candidate A and replace him with candidate B.
And PACs are businesses. PACs promote a product (the candidate) and make money for the PAC owners.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 01, 2023, 11:07:06 AM
FJB won't even allow RFK,Jr SS protection, which endangers his life.
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Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general
Post by: Lucifer on August 01, 2023, 12:33:48 PM
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general
Correct, but RFK,Jr requested and was denied for SS protection now. This is a petty move by FJB, who did this mainly because he doesn’t want the party to acknowledge RFK,Jr.
We are paying for round the clock US Marshall protection for millionaire Anthony Fauci, including armored limousine service.
RFK, Jr is a legitimate candidate and deserves protection.
Post by: Anthony on August 01, 2023, 05:10:05 PM
Post by: Number7 on August 01, 2023, 07:41:25 PM
Fuck all you democrats that voted for this communist takeover.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 02, 2023, 05:07:33 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 02, 2023, 07:00:08 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3595)
It's just a coincidence, nothing more.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 02, 2023, 07:44:49 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 10:47:00 AM
His handlers are using him to attack Trump, and in the process destroying Pence's political career. One has to wonder what Pence will receive for his efforts, if anything. His brand is lower than whale shit at this point.
Post by: Rush on August 06, 2023, 12:06:38 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Pence is toast. RDS has sunk his campaign without even leaving the harbor. The rest are just hoping for a VP slot or an administration post.
Post by: Number7 on August 06, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Post by: Rush on August 06, 2023, 02:32:58 PM
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In 2020, Sowell wrote that if the Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, it could signal a point of no return for the United States, a tipping point akin to the fall of the Roman Empire.
Can we reverse this in 2024?
Post by: Anthony on August 06, 2023, 03:25:15 PM
The wiki page on Thomas Sowell says this:
Can we reverse this in 2024?
In my opinion, no. We're at the point of only drastic measures doing that. So, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
The middle and upper middle income earner needs to feel real pain to reset priorities where the should be, not Race, LGBTQxyz, Women's suffering, Climate Change and all the other Woke NONSENSE they dwell upon.
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 03:54:08 PM
The wiki page on Thomas Sowell says this:
Can we reverse this in 2024?
Not at this point. The battleground states have made little effort to correct the problems of 2020. In 2022 AZ was lost as well.
It's all about ballots, and not about votes. As long as the communist control the ballots, they control the vote.
Post by: Rush on August 06, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 04:45:01 PM
So are you both predicting Trump will lose to Biden in 2024 no matter what?
Wonder why the democrat communist and FJB aren't campaigning? Wonder why they aren't concerned with FJB's dismal poll numbers or his train wreck public perception?
As of right now, they already know the outcome of 2024. As long as the battle ground states can flood the electorate with ballots, they control the vote.
The republican plan to "legal" ballot harvest and early voting is laughable, and proves just how clueless the republicans truly are.
It's. All. About. the. Ballots.
Post by: Rush on August 06, 2023, 06:30:14 PM
Wonder why the democrat communist and FJB aren't campaigning? Wonder why they aren't concerned with FJB's dismal poll numbers or his train wreck public perception?
As of right now, they already know the outcome of 2024. As long as the battle ground states can flood the electorate with ballots, they control the vote.
The republican plan to "legal" ballot harvest and early voting is laughable, and proves just how clueless the republicans truly are.
It's. All. About. the. Ballots.
It might be being “black pilled” but I agree. I think they’ll cheat him in again and then we are permanently done.
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 07:48:17 PM
It might be being “black pilled” but I agree. I think they’ll cheat him in again and then we are permanently done.
The country should have fought the 2020 election. The spineless fuckin' coward republicans should have fought the 2020 election.
This is why the communist staged the J6 riot, this is why the DoJ is acting like the KGB and going after anyone who questions the election. The communist have now conquered the hardest part which is election control. They damn sure aren't giving it back, not without a fight.
Post by: Number7 on August 06, 2023, 09:17:17 PM
The easy way and the hard.
The hard way involves divorcing from the leftist states, cutting them off from our production and creativity and standing by while they devolve into screaming, blaring, warring, assholes, useless, stupid and foaming at the mouth angry at us for denying them the fruit of our work.
So many will be hurt by the hard way, but it is the only way out that includes freedom, because the democrats are the left arm of the ccp and hate us, while needing us to fund their sickness.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 07, 2023, 05:18:10 AM
I suppose, the Government would rush to their aid though.
Post by: Lucifer on August 07, 2023, 05:31:22 AM
One possible way would be to pick out a "D" city, give the Conservatives fair warning to leave and then cut off their supplies.
I suppose, the Government would rush to their aid though.
The blue shit holes only continue to exist due to fed gov pouring our tax dollars into them, and for the most part they are underwater in mounting debt.
New York and California, as well as other shit holes are already experiencing population loss which equals a lowering tax base. Gavin Newsom even floated an idea to tax people who will of have left California.
Post by: Rush on August 07, 2023, 05:48:06 AM
Post by: Anthony on August 07, 2023, 07:15:55 AM
The blue shit holes only continue to exist due to fed gov pouring our tax dollars into them, and for the most part they are underwater in mounting debt.
New York and California, as well as other shit holes are already experiencing population loss which equals a lowering tax base. Gavin Newsom even floated an idea to tax people who will of have left California.
Newsom is near the top of the guillotine list. The legal, non-violent one, metaphorically speaking. I used to live in CA. If I get a tax bill from him, I'll show up at his house to speak with him about it.
Post by: nddons on August 07, 2023, 01:26:04 PM
Exactly. It’s virtually the same as Trump but Trump has the will to make it happen. RDS has yet to prove if he does or it he is just another republican with empty promises.Well, except for everything he’s done as governor.
Post by: Rush on August 07, 2023, 02:00:18 PM
Well, except for everything he’s done as governor.
He did those ten bullet points in reply 201 on page 14 as governor?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 07, 2023, 02:45:08 PM
https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/110848462298536059
Post by: Number7 on August 07, 2023, 04:13:39 PM
My attitude is "FUCK YOU" to every single one of them. Their cowardice and greed us the reason we don't have inexpensive gasoline, low interest rates and better quality of life in America... so fuck all of you who pretend we should listen when you're lying out your rino asses.
Post by: nddons on August 07, 2023, 05:19:53 PM
He did those ten bullet points in reply 201 on page 14 as governor?No, just refuting your ridiculous “empty promises” statement re: DeSantis.
Post by: Rush on August 07, 2023, 06:38:24 PM
No, just refuting your ridiculous “empty promises” statement re: DeSantis.
What’s ridiculous about it? I never said DeSantis was making empty promises. I said other Republicans do. And as of yet we don’t know whether DeSantis would be like them or not. We can’t know until he gets in the White House. Dealing with the Federal Deep State is a lot different than governing one state. What part of what I’m saying is untrue?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 07, 2023, 07:51:17 PM
What’s ridiculous about it? I never said DeSantis was making empty promises. I said other Republicans do. And as of yet we don’t know whether DeSantis would be like them or not. We can’t know until he gets in the White House. Dealing with the Federal Deep State is a lot different than governing one state. What part of what I’m saying is untrue?
Trump had four years to drain the swamp. Other than taking the advice of the Federalist Society and nominating some decent judges to the Federal bench, I don't recall any action he took that could be termed draining the swamp. I see no evidence he better understands the system he intends to drain. His plan for revenge or payback is probably as well laid out as his plan to end the Russian Ukraine war in 24 hours. In short: Trump's swamp draining record is about the same as DeSantis', and Trump had the advantage of being president.
I expect Trump will win the Republican nomination and legitimately lose the general election. The Democrats will cheat of course, but I expect that to prove redundant. He has done nothing to woo the undecided center voters so critical in the purple states. Those voters care about their own problems, not Trump's problems. All they hear of Trump is turmoil, not his policies. They hear arguments about who to vote against, not who to vote for.
A voter who hates Biden's policy but hates Trump's personality who might otherwise vote for a Republican may simply sit the election out, thus aiding Biden. It is possible to win against cheating if the margin is made large enough. For example:
This is a long article but IMHO filled with useful insight into the tactics and thinking a Republican candidate might use to win by a large margin. Trump doesn't appear to be using any of these.
The Surprising Strategy Behind Youngkin’s Stunner
Glenn Youngkin’s top strategists Jeff Roe and Kristin Davison helped pull off one of the great upsets in modern politics. Here’s how they did it. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/11/05/youngkin-mcauliffe-politics-virginia-strategy-2021-upset-analysis-519622)
Post by: Number7 on August 07, 2023, 08:38:19 PM
Good job offering a shit burger… again.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 07, 2023, 09:32:23 PM
Another pointless rant against President Trump that glosses over everything positive to pander to the swamp.I'm not just attaxking Trump's campaign - I think DeSantis has lost the plot too.
Good job offering a shit burger… again.
Interesting that at the moment more betting money is on Vivek Ramaswamy winning the primary than on DeSantis. If you had scanned the article I linked to, you'd see why.
At the time of this posting Vivek is at 9.3% while DeSantis has dropped to 8.6%.
https://www.electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html (https://www.electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 08, 2023, 06:10:37 AM
No amount of intellectualizing or speculation about the mood of the voters, or who can “win,” and why, matters a rat’s ass while the 2020 cheating system still is in place and the perpetrators still are determined to hang on to it. We’ve pretty much agreed polls are worthless too, have we not?
The only reason President Trump remains solid with his base is because they all sense he is right … the system is rigged against us, and nothing we’ve seen in the last three years disproves that. NOTHING.
In fact, the opposite is true.
I wish I were wrong. We see clearly a corrupt system serving itself and not us, fomenting war and massive MIC profits, coming into our very homes to take our light bulbs and means of cooking, attempting to force us into complete dependence on vulnerable electric grids, threatening mandated digital cash to control us totally, silencing us when we question anything they don’t like, giving power to agencies like the WHO to control us totally under the guise of protecting us, weakening our communities with infusions of young, male foreigners, drugs, weapons and trafficking of the most henous sorts, perpetrating a legal leniency that literally feeds and creates crime, and … pay attention: INDICTING AND ARRESTING ON SPURIOUS CHARGES THE PERSON WHO IS THE MAIN THREAT TO THEIR ACTIVITIES. And, they distract and manipulate attention away from their own ghastly treason and perfidies. Don’t say you can’t see it, Jim.
It was abundantly clear during President Trump’s administration, and he stated it many times, that the swamp was deeper and wider than he had known. That swamp rose with gaping maws out of their ooze and attempted to devour and delegitimize him for four solid years AND STILL IS DOING SO TO THIS DAY for one reason:
President Trump, and only President Trump is seen by the swamp as their biggest threat. Everyone challenging him is seen as buyable or biddable.
Post by: Rush on August 08, 2023, 07:02:55 AM
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 07:31:00 AM
What’s ridiculous about it? I never said DeSantis was making empty promises. I said other Republicans do. And as of yet we don’t know whether DeSantis would be like them or not. We can’t know until he gets in the White House. Dealing with the Federal Deep State is a lot different than governing one state. What part of what I’m saying is untrue?I’m saying DeSantis kept his promises that he made as a candidate for Governor, based on my observations and talking to Floridians that I know.
DeSantis spent 6 years in the House and was a cofounder of the House Freedom Caucus. I think he has a much better idea of the deep state than Trump had. Speaking of which, Trump never once “drained the swamp.” To the contrary, he hired the very swamp that is going after him. For the Smartest Man in the Room, you can’t just say he got bad advice.
As for the list of priorities that was posted, I’d give Trump a good grade for about half of them, and an F on the others. The debt increased $6.7 TRILLION under Trump, increasing our debt by 33%. For an “outsider,” he sure knew how to buy votes like every other politician, while putting the burden of that vote buying on the backs of my daughter and your kids.
I’ve said this before, Trump was the most conservative president in my lifetime, but I don’t think he can possibly win the general election. And even if he did, he will be a lame duck from Day 1, and thus will accomplish very little.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 08:27:18 AM
The Surprising Strategy Behind Youngkin’s Stunner
Glenn Youngkin’s top strategists Jeff Roe and Kristin Davison helped pull off one of the great upsets in modern politics. Here’s how they did it. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/11/05/youngkin-mcauliffe-politics-virginia-strategy-2021-upset-analysis-519622)
Interestingly enough, the people behind the Youngkin campaign are the exact same people behind RDS. And their strategy is failing.
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 08:37:07 AM
Trump had four years to drain the swamp. Other than taking the advice of the Federalist Society and nominating some decent judges to the Federal bench, I don't recall any action he took that could be termed draining the swamp. I see no evidence he better understands the system he intends to drain. His plan for revenge or payback is probably as well laid out as his plan to end the Russian Ukraine war in 24 hours. In short: Trump's swamp draining record is about the same as DeSantis', and Trump had the advantage of being president.I agree. And great article on how to win. “We didn’t start out to win the convention and lose the general.” Words to live by.
I expect Trump will win the Republican nomination and legitimately lose the general election. The Democrats will cheat of course, but I expect that to prove redundant. He has done nothing to woo the undecided center voters so critical in the purple states. Those voters care about their own problems, not Trump's problems. All they hear of Trump is turmoil, not his policies. They hear arguments about who to vote against, not who to vote for.
A voter who hates Biden's policy but hates Trump's personality who might otherwise vote for a Republican may simply sit the election out, thus aiding Biden. It is possible to win against cheating if the margin is made large enough. For example:
This is a long article but IMHO filled with useful insight into the tactics and thinking a Republican candidate might use to win by a large margin. Trump doesn't appear to be using any of these.
The Surprising Strategy Behind Youngkin’s Stunner
Glenn Youngkin’s top strategists Jeff Roe and Kristin Davison helped pull off one of the great upsets in modern politics. Here’s how they did it. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/11/05/youngkin-mcauliffe-politics-virginia-strategy-2021-upset-analysis-519622)
Post by: Username on August 08, 2023, 08:38:33 AM
I’ve said this before, Trump was the most conservative president in my lifetime, but I don’t think he can possibly win the general election. And even if he did, he will be a lame duck from Day 1, and thus will accomplish very little.I have a slightly different take on this. Yes, he will be a lame duck, but that's a feature. He doesn't have to worry about being re-elected. He can do what it takes to drain the swamp and fight the good fight against the machine. And not care that he has to keep some people happy.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 08:41:18 AM
I agree. And great article on how to win. “We didn’t start out to win the convention and lose the general.” Words to live by.
As previously stated, the people in that article are the same people behind RDS. Why isn't their strategy working?
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 08:42:07 AM
I have a slightly different take on this. Yes, he will be a lame duck, but that's a feature. He doesn't have to worry about being re-elected. He can do what it takes to drain the swamp and fight the good fight against the machine. And not care that he has to keep some people happy.It’s called “lame” duck for a reason. You need cooperation to get anything done in Washington. He will have none, particularly from his own party. I don’t want a dictator to act alone, whether it’s Trump or a D.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 08:43:00 AM
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Ron DeSantis fired campaign Generra Peck on Tuesday, replacing her with longtime aide James Uthmeier.
Peck will stay on as the campaign’s chief strategist, The Messenger first reported. Uthmeier most recently served as DeSantis’ gubernatorial chief of staff. The campaign is also hiring David Polyansky from the pro-DeSantis super PAC Never Back Down, communications director Andrew Romeo said.
“James Uthmeier has been one of Governor DeSantis’ top advisors for years and he is needed where it matters most: working hand in hand with Generra Peck and the rest of the team to put the governor in the best possible position to win this primary and defeat Joe Biden. David Polyansky will also be a critical addition to the team given his presidential campaign experience in Iowa and work at Never Back Down. We are excited about these additions as we continue to spread the governor’s message across the country. It’s time to reverse our nation’s decline and revive America’s future,” Romeo said in a statement to the Daily Caller.
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 08:43:31 AM
As previously stated, the people in that article are the same people behind RDS. Why isn't their strategy working?It’s a long way from the first primary vote, and the primaries are not a national referendum. They are like the electoral college. We’ll see how it goes.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 08:54:44 AM
It’s a long way from the first primary vote, and the primaries are not a national referendum. They are like the electoral college. We’ll see how it goes.
The RDS campaign is floundering. He can't get on message, and he can't get any enthusiasm with voters. His campaign events are hardly drawing any turnout.
Big contributors are stopping their contributions. Ed Rollins was running ads for RDS and he dumped him. And rumors are swirling that the big super pac Never Back Down may be getting ready to dump RDS.
I stated a while back RDS was not ready for a national campaign and he hitched his wagon to the wrong group of backers.
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 10:03:51 AM
The RDS campaign is floundering. He can't get on message, and he can't get any enthusiasm with voters. His campaign events are hardly drawing any turnout.If this election is about Joe Biden, a Republican will win.
Big contributors are stopping their contributions. Ed Rollins was running ads for RDS and he dumped him. And rumors are swirling that the big super pac Never Back Down may be getting ready to dump RDS.
I stated a while back RDS was not ready for a national campaign and he hitched his wagon to the wrong group of backers.
If the election is about Donald Trump, he will lose.
What odds do you give that Trump won’t make the election about himself?
I put those odds at zero.
He is the king of self-inflicted wounds.
Post by: Username on August 08, 2023, 10:06:12 AM
It’s called “lame” duck for a reason. You need cooperation to get anything done in Washington. He will have none, particularly from his own party. I don’t want a dictator to act alone, whether it’s Trump or a D.A dictator is OK as long as he's OUR dictator.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 10:16:03 AM
If this election is about Joe Biden, a Republican will win.
If the election is about Donald Trump, he will lose.
What odds do you give that Trump won’t make the election about himself?
I put those odds at zero.
He is the king of self-inflicted wounds.
We're not talking about Trump. We are talking about how RDS can't manage a national campaign and all of his missteps.
RDS is like Jeb Bush in many ways. Jeb Bush was a really good governor of Florida, but when it came to mounting a national campaign, he failed miserably (to the tune of $200million). Oh, and Jeb was tied to the hip with the establishment.
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 10:19:54 AM
We're not talking about Trump. We are talking about how RDS can't manage a national campaign and all of his missteps.I’m talking about Trump. Deal with it. I want to win. You’d rather laugh at DeSantis missteps instead of take a frank and cogent look at how Trump can possibly win the general election.
RDS is like Jeb Bush in many ways. Jeb Bush was a really good governor of Florida, but when it came to mounting a national campaign, he failed miserably (to the tune of $200million). Oh, and Jeb was tied to the hip with the establishment.
Good luck with that.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 10:40:58 AM
I’m talking about Trump. Deal with it. I want to win. You’d rather laugh at DeSantis missteps instead of take a frank and cogent look at how Trump can possibly win the general election.
Good luck with that.
Your in denial your chosen candidate can't run a national campaign. You want to win with a guy who won't even get out of the start gate.
And I'm not "laughing" at RDS missteps, I'm taking a serious look at why this guy is failing.
Here's a brief on why RDS is failing:
1) No message.
2) His attempted message is the same as Trump's, except he adds "I'm not Trump" and it simply isn't resonating.
3) His ties to the establishment and the establishment donor class.
There's more, but those first three are squashing his campaign. Even his super pac is having seconds thoughts on backing him.
Post by: nddons on August 08, 2023, 10:42:29 AM
Your in denial your chosen candidate can't run a national campaign. You want to win with a guy who won't even get out of the start gate.So you have no confidence Trump will win the general, but are following him anyway just like a good little lemming. Got it.
And I'm not "laughing" at RDS missteps, I'm taking a serious look at why this guy is failing.
Here's a brief on why RDS is failing:
1) No message.
2) His attempted message is the same as Trump's, except he adds "I'm not Trump" and it simply isn't resonating.
3) His ties to the establishment and the establishment donor class.
There's more, but those first three are squashing his campaign. Even his super pac is having seconds thoughts on backing him.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
So you have no confidence Trump will win the general, but are following him anyway just like a good little lemming. Got it.
LOL.
Why do you keep insisting I'm a Trump "follower"? Is that all you got? I'm watching this campaign because I like following politics and find it very interesting what drives candidates while others fail.
Right now there are a lot of dynamics in play. Your chosen guy that you are "following anyway like a good little lemming" can't even mount a national campaign, in which you are in total denial over.
Post by: Anthony on August 08, 2023, 12:23:45 PM
So you have no confidence Trump will win the general, but are following him anyway just like a good little lemming. Got it.
I think Trump would have a chance of winning the general if we had fair elections, but we don't, so I don't think he, RDS, nor any other Republican can win.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 08, 2023, 12:30:53 PM
I think Trump would have a chance of winning the general if we had fair elections, but we don't, so I don't think he, RDS, nor any other Republican can win.Bingo.
Lucifer, as originator of this thread, would you put “Election” in quotes in the title?
I’m gagging on all these smart people just not getting that terms like “win” and “lose” are, in this Year of Our Lord 2023, meaningless.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 12:50:33 PM
Bingo.
Lucifer, as originator of this thread, would you put “Election” in quotes in the title?
I’m gagging on all these smart people just not getting that terms like “win” and “lose” are, in this Year of Our Lord 2023, meaningless.
I would if I knew how.
And you are correct, with rampant election fraud and having our noses rubbed in it, and the spineless republicans sitting on their hands, it's really hard to call it an election.
Post by: Rush on August 08, 2023, 01:02:15 PM
https://archive.ph/6KdfB
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Doris Kearns Goodwin: We Need To Organize The Country "At All Levels"…
Presidential historian and MSNBC contributor Doris Kearns Goodwin on 'Morning Joe' today called for "organizing the country at all levels" so Donald Trump "cannot win" in 2024.
"It's going to take the overwhelming organization, just as you were talking about earlier, organizing the country at all the levels so that he cannot win that election. If the party will not depart from him, then he has to be defeated and the party has to be defeated," Goodwin declared.
JONATHAN LEMIRE, MSNBC: We have gone through the example about Nixon and Watergate, but it also means sometimes these presidential elections, these bitterly contested fights, still even the party said, okay, it's time to turn the page. Even in 2016 by the next morning, the Democrats were doing so, but are you seeing anything here that would suggest that there were other Republicans, real ones that matter, not just the occasional lonely voice to push the party and Donald Trump to move past this in the next election?
DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN: It's still so hard to accept that. I thought after January 6th when you saw McConnell speak, when you saw McCarthy speak that that was going to be the beginning of leadership turning against him, and then somehow, somehow it's not happened, and it can't just be a few of them.
We've got to figure out when is that going to happen? When is it going to break? Maybe the more this thing becomes clear, what was done, you've to believe that rational thought would come back in the minds of some of these people. But if not, it's going to take the overwhelming organization, just as you were talking about earlier, organizing the country at all the levels so that he cannot win that election. If the party will not depart from him, then he has to be defeated and the party has to be defeated.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
Announcing their plan to cheat:
https://archive.ph/6KdfB
The mask has been ripped off and they are showing their true Marxist selves.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 08, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/now-we-have-proof-tgp-exclusive-massive-2020/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=now-we-have-proof-tgp-exclusive-massive-2020
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 08, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
Interestingly enough, the people behind the Youngkin campaign are the exact same people behind RDS. And their strategy is failing.That is interesting. Either they aren't following the strategy they claimed to have used in the Youngkin campaign or they are failing to translate it to a national election. Or they had to adapt to a preexisting focus that DeSantis dictated (perhaps trying to use concerns about woke culture in place of concerns about education?) While composing my post I recalled that Youngkin won against the odds, so went looking to see if anyone had done a post-election dissection of the campaign and found that article.
Post by: Lucifer on August 08, 2023, 05:26:44 PM
That is interesting. Either they aren't following the strategy they claimed to have used in the Youngkin campaign or they are failing to translate it to a national election. Or they had to adapt to a preexisting focus that DeSantis dictated (perhaps trying to use concerns about woke culture in place of concerns about education?) While composing my post I recalled that Youngkin won against the odds, so went looking to see if anyone had done a post-election dissection of the campaign and found that article.
First, Youngkin won a statewide election versus a national election. What worked for Virginia (for him) may not work nationwide. Same with RDS, he won as governor in a statewide, but his campaign is failing on a national level.
IMO Youngkin comes across better as a candidate, he's relatively new to politics so no skeletons in the closet. RDS has been in politics long enough to have a record, and some of that is affecting how the voters see him.
The rumors are swirling around that RDS will get dumped by his backers and they will switch to Youngkin. IMO Youngkin won't take it, he's in a good position as VA Governor and he knows he can't beat Trump. By the time 2028 rolls around Youngkin will be better situated for a run.
Post by: Rush on August 08, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Post by: Anthony on August 08, 2023, 07:25:44 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 09, 2023, 05:23:16 AM
Jesus could run with Saint Jude (saint of lost causes) as his running mate and they'd lose to voter fraud.Doubt they’d survive all the faux indictments to make it onto the ballot.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 09, 2023, 05:26:08 AM
I would if I knew how.Just go to any of your posts in this thread and choose “Modify.” The thread title is shown and only you can change it for the whole thread, I believe. Let’s give this “election” the quotes it deserves.
And you are correct, with rampant election fraud and having our noses rubbed in it, and the spineless republicans sitting on their hands, it's really hard to call it an election.
Post by: Lucifer on August 09, 2023, 07:08:23 AM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1689257136595849216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1689257136595849216%7Ctwgr%5E0debf1efc9244c9322f4834efdd83a2a9d4926ba%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
Post by: Lucifer on August 09, 2023, 07:19:18 AM
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2023, 11:13:14 AM
This is funny, I don't care who ya are...........
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1689257136595849216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1689257136595849216%7Ctwgr%5E0debf1efc9244c9322f4834efdd83a2a9d4926ba%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
That is so hilarious. I wish I could find the original video.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 10, 2023, 03:35:39 AM
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Premise Poll: Trump Beats Biden But DeSantis Will Lose
Post by: Rush on August 10, 2023, 04:05:29 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/premise-poll-trump-biden/2023/08/09/id/1130174/
2016 showed us we can’t trust polls, however! This needs to give pause to Republican voters who say we need to go with DeSantis because he has a better chance of beating Biden than Trump. “DeSantis is electable and Trump isn’t.” That doesn’t appear to be true according to this poll.
Having said that, here are some wild cards:
* Will the Dems cheat harder with Trump? Polls assume true election results, not a rigged one.
* If Trump is denied the nomination will a significant number of MAGA voters write him in or fail to vote at all? This could explain why DeSantis would lose the general. In fact, any way you slice it DeSantis needs the MAGA base and he seems to be losing it.
* What if RFKJr decides to run third party? Wouldn’t that be fun.
* If Biden sends troops to Ukraine would that help him or hurt him?
* Biden or Trump could stroke out.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 10, 2023, 04:38:14 AM
* Will the Dems cheat harder with Trump?
bet on it.
(if only to prove 2020 wasn't a rigged election... wink wink nudge nudge)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 10, 2023, 08:03:03 AM
Post by: Username on August 10, 2023, 08:21:50 AM
Would the Dems allow DeSantis to win?That's a great question. I think if it would advance their agenda they would allow anyone to win. If it was between FJB and DeSantis, and FJB was proving to be a liability, then yes, DeSantis has a chance. I don't think it would get that far, though. FJB would retire due to "health issues" and someone else NotTrump would emerge. In the current climate, NotTrump will "win" every time. DeSantis is not NotTrump enough.
Post by: Rush on August 10, 2023, 08:41:07 AM
Would the Dems allow DeSantis to win?
I don’t have a good enough feel yet whether the Dems consider DeSantis an acceptable Uniparty member or a true threat to the Deep State. What DeSantis says is completely irrelevant. That’s just how he’s trying to get elected: He is presenting himself as a conservative. Sort of like Trump but a bit more to the right. But that’s not important, what’s important is whether, once elected, he would actually try to drain the swamp or if he will be bought off by the Uniparty/Deep State.
We know that mainstream media is completely owned by them. So it’s the window into their fears. We see this very clearly with how it treats Trump. This tells us the Uniparty is terrified of Trump. So far I don’t see the same kind of vitriol aimed at DeSantis. Does this mean they don’t see him as a threat because they know he’ll end up “one of them”? Or is he not a threat because they don’t believe he can even win the primary?
The answer to that will decide whether they “allow” him to win and right now I have no idea. I have to assume they’ll cheat to keep him out also. But it’s looking more and more hypothetical.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 08:55:34 AM
The communist narrative is that anyone who is conservative is “destroying our democracy”, which is double speak for “interfering with our takeover”.
FJB and Camel Toe will be replaced, it’s just a bit too early. Gavin Newsom has been measuring the drapes in the WH as he feels he’s the heir apparent.
The communist have one major problem, RFK, Jr. Look for him to be investigated and indicted, if not imprisoned.
2024 is shaping up to be another 2020. If you think 2020 was bad (COVID, lockdowns, etc), you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Post by: Anthony on August 10, 2023, 10:43:05 AM
The democrat communist cannot, and will not allow anyone identifying as a conservative to win. Too risky, and bad optics.
The communist narrative is that anyone who is conservative is “destroying our democracy”, which is double speak for “interfering with our takeover”.
FJB and Camel Toe will be replaced, it’s just a bit too early. Gavin Newsom has been measuring the drapes in the WH as he feels he’s the heir apparent.
The communist have one major problem, RFK, Jr. Look for him to be investigated and indicted, if not imprisoned.
2024 is shaping up to be another 2020. If you think 2020 was bad (COVID, lockdowns, etc), you ain’t seen nothing yet.
^^^^^^^^This! I wouldn't rule out the Communists doing the same thing to RFK Jr as they did to his Father.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 10:51:36 AM
^^^^^^^^This! I wouldn't rule out the Communists doing the same thing to RFK Jr as they did to his Father.
We are on the cusp of that now.
Lawfare is an extremely effective weapon, and the democrat communist are perfecting it. I believe it’s just a matter of time for RFK,Jr to be indicted.
As for DJT, I fully expect him to be convicted and imprisoned.
Post by: Number7 on August 10, 2023, 11:08:56 AM
They are the enemy.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 10, 2023, 11:23:43 AM
What DeSantis says is completely irrelevant. That’s just how he’s trying to get elected: He is presenting himself as a conservative.You don't need to consider what he says - you can research his actions while in office - and during his time in military service.
DeSantis has a voting record and a record of bills he authored or co-authored while in the U.S. House of Representatives. He also has a record of action as Governor. One small example that a tiny bit of research would yield: after he left congress he opted to NOT receive his congressional pension and while still in office had filed a measure that would have eliminated congressional pensions.
IMHO any suggestions, hints, or otherwise that DeSantis isn't conservative border on the ludicrous.
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2023, 11:28:23 AM
You don't need to consider what he says - you can research his actions while in office - and during his time in military service.I totally agree. But The Donald says DeSantis is in the pocket of the establishment so it must be true, right? Smdh.
DeSantis has a voting record and a record of bills he authored or co-authored while in the U.S. House of Representatives. He also has a record of action as Governor. One small example that a tiny bit of research would yield: after he left congress he opted to NOT receive his congressional pension and while still in office had filed a measure that would have eliminated congressional pensions.
IMHO any suggestions, hints, or otherwise that DeSantis isn't conservative border on the ludicrous.
Post by: Anthony on August 10, 2023, 11:54:29 AM
I totally agree. But The Donald says DeSantis is in the pocket of the establishment so it must be true, right? Smdh.
Trump will say ANYTHING to smear an opponent. I am not sure DeSantis is in the pocket of the establishment but I think with enough pressure he has the potential to be. Not saying he is, or will be.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 12:17:40 PM
I totally agree. But The Donald says DeSantis is in the pocket of the establishment so it must be true, right? Smdh.
All one has to do is look at his donors, his PACs and the people running his campaign. Reeks of establishment.
Think they are backing him with no expectations?
Doesn’t actually matter at this point anyway. His campaign has flamed out.
Post by: Rush on August 10, 2023, 01:52:50 PM
You don't need to consider what he says - you can research his actions while in office - and during his time in military service.
DeSantis has a voting record and a record of bills he authored or co-authored while in the U.S. House of Representatives. He also has a record of action as Governor. One small example that a tiny bit of research would yield: after he left congress he opted to NOT receive his congressional pension and while still in office had filed a measure that would have eliminated congressional pensions.
IMHO any suggestions, hints, or otherwise that DeSantis isn't conservative border on the ludicrous.
You are COMPLETELY misunderstanding me. I’m not saying he isn’t conservative or that he’s not presenting himself as what he actually is. I’m saying how he presents himself is meaningless to the Democrats/Uniparty. Just like RFKJr presenting himself (accurately) as a liberal greenie anti gunner is meaningless to them. Because they don’t give a fuck about ideology. They’re about keeping themselves in power, PERIOD.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 02:10:39 PM
You are COMPLETELY misunderstanding me. I’m not saying he isn’t conservative or that he’s not presenting himself as what he actually is. I’m saying how he presents himself is meaningless to the Democrats/Uniparty. Just like RFKJr presenting himself (accurately) as a liberal greenie anti gunner is meaningless to them. Because they don’t give a fuck about ideology. They’re about keeping themselves in power, PERIOD.
Yep. The mask has been ripped off.
Post by: Number7 on August 10, 2023, 02:32:15 PM
Yep. The mask has been ripped off.
…and the cia has shown they will kill a president, hijack national elections and perjure themselves, while persecuting innocent people, they think will reduce their power.
Fucking scum!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 10, 2023, 03:06:26 PM
Yep. The mask has been ripped off.Rush is right. Just this week Biden, Pelosi and writer Doris Kearns Goodwin have stated that Donald Trump must not win. He will destroy democracy. Pelosi said “America will not be America if he is elected.” Biden said “We will use all constitutional (mumble mumble) to ensure he is not elected.”
This administration and most of Congress and the unelected bureaucrats and whoever is running them have two goals.
1) Stay in power.
2) Stop anyone who is a threat to 1) above.
It’s clear as day.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: Rush on August 10, 2023, 05:48:42 PM
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Yep. I’m expecting it.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
Yep. I’m expecting it.
It would be too obvious, and in today's information age, way too damn hard to conceal.
What I expect to happen is he will be convicted in trial, and put in prison. They'll cut off all his access (no phones, no computer) and restrict any media. They'll drag out any appeal process.
Post by: Rush on August 10, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
It would be too obvious, and in today's information age, way too damn hard to conceal.
What I expect to happen is he will be convicted in trial, and put in prison. They'll cut off all his access (no phones, no computer) and restrict any media. They'll drag out any appeal process.
Then he will “commit suicide” in his cell.
Post by: Anthony on August 11, 2023, 02:25:17 AM
Rush is right. Just this week Biden, Pelosi and writer Doris Kearns Goodwin have stated that Donald Trump must not win. He will destroy democracy. Pelosi said “America will not be America if he is elected.” Biden said “We will use all constitutional (mumble mumble) to ensure he is not elected.”
This administration and most of Congress and the unelected bureaucrats and whoever is running them have two goals.
1) Stay in power.
2) Stop anyone who is a threat to 1) above.
It’s clear as day.
They ALL must be removed. Legally and peacefully, of course.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 11, 2023, 04:32:49 PM
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Vivek Ramaswamy (11%) overtakes Ron DeSantis (10%) as the second-place candidate behind Donald Trump (53%).
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 11, 2023, 07:24:44 PM
https://www.cygn.al/new-monthly-national-poll-majority-support-abortion-ban-vivek-rises-biden-corruption-probe-gains-steam-half-believe-government-lied-about-ufos-and-more/
This tidbit was nearly as interesting and matches my own anecdotal observation of conservatives I personally know:
"Trump’s holds a firm grip on only 24% of GOP primary voters while 38% say they will consider him and other candidates in the primary. Nearly a third (29%) of GOP voters say they will vote for anyone except Trump."
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2023, 07:45:37 AM
This tidbit was nearly as interesting and matches my own anecdotal observation of conservatives I personally know:Yet that 24% would rather call the 38% traitors, disloyalists, and RINOs than allow the other candidates to make their cases themselves. It’s straight from the DNC playbook.
"Trump’s holds a firm grip on only 24% of GOP primary voters while 38% say they will consider him and other candidates in the primary. Nearly a third (29%) of GOP voters say they will vote for anyone except Trump."
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 07:50:57 AM
They all have chances to reach their audience and make their case heard.
Post by: Number7 on August 12, 2023, 08:02:03 AM
Yet that 24% would rather call the 38% traitors, disloyalists, and RINOs than allow the other candidates to make their cases themselves. It’s straight from the DNC playbook.
Project much??
Post by: Little Joe on August 12, 2023, 08:32:21 AM
Project much??He does.
And he does it well.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 08:54:05 AM
He does.
And he does it well.
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Post by: Rush on August 12, 2023, 09:04:09 AM
Yet that 24% would rather call the 38% traitors, disloyalists, and RINOs than allow the other candidates to make their cases themselves. It’s straight from the DNC playbook.
I guess some Trump supporters do that. Not me. I might feeeeel like it’s disloyal, but I don’t judge people based on my feelings. I try to put myself in their shoes and understand their reasoning. And I very well understand their reasoning. Some of it I fully agree with like Trump’s age. I would rather elect someone younger.
I also understand the idea that Trump’s personality is very off putting to some people. Even if you think that doesn’t hurt his leadership, you may think it makes him unelectable. He has too much baggage. That’s not a falsehood, he does have a lot of baggage. My counter argument to that is that most of the baggage was created by his enemies, not Trump himself. But I can understand why a person would think no matter who created it, it makes him less electable or less able to function if he does get elected.
I don’t dispute all these reasons, they are very legitimate. I consider them myself. It’s just that people have different formulas they use when inputting these factors to arrive at a solution. In my formula, these negatives all put together still don’t outweigh Trump’s positives. The main one being that the intensity of the attacks on him show clearly that he is the one most feared by the cabal engaging in a soft coup of our country, and therefore the one with the most power to resist it.
Hence my position that the harder they attack him, the more certain I am that he is the man we need.
Listen, the U.S. will become an globalist authoritarian dictatorship, it is heading that way and will pass a point of no return. It’s just a matter of time. But we can forestall it temporarily, hopefully for at least a generation. Give our children a few more years of relative freedom. But at the point of no return we will have to choose between submitting as slaves, or bloodshed, assuming CoS or bloodless secession don’t work. Right now the best path to forestalling it is Trump in my opinion.
Even if DeSantis or Ramaswamy were as good or better, the polls indicate there is no way they can win the primary unless Trump dies or something.
That’s my opinion and reasoning but it’s fine if others have different opinions.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
Listen, the U.S. will become an globalist authoritarian dictatorship, it is heading that way and will pass a point of no return. It’s just a matter of time.
We've passed the point now. Each day will be more and more difficult to turn it around.
Even if DeSantis or Ramaswamy were as good or better, the polls indicate there is no way they can win the primary unless Trump dies or something.
That’s my opinion and reasoning but it’s fine if others have different opinions.
If we remove DJT from the race, I don't see it boosting either Vivek or RDS by much. In 2015 the republican party was dead, and didn't come back to life until Trump entered the race. Trump brought in millions of new voters to the RNC, and was despised for it. The RNC is an exclusive club, they want members only and the rest of the support are peons working the lawn or the kitchen.
IMO, right now Vivek would be far in front of RDS with DJT out of the way. Tim Scott would be doing much better and aligning himself for a VP slot.
On the other side, the democrat communist are running multiple game plans for next year.
1) Use lawfare to get DJT out of the race. With any luck they may get him incarcerated and appealing for years.
2) By using "insurrection" and "rebellion" with regards to J6, they are hoping to get DJT off the ballot in several key states which gives the race to whoever the democrat candidate will be.
3) If successful in removing DJT, they already have their media ready to attack the next runner up. Bimbo parades will start, then the DoJ will start investigations. One scandal after another (manufactured, of course) with 24/7 news coverage.
Bonus will be if they can tie the next guy to J6 (insurrection/rebellion) and get him off the ballot in several states.
4) A national emergency. Several are brewing, the war in Ukraine, a phony climate emergency, or the long promised next plandemic. Most likely scenario is another plandemic, as it gives a pathway to extract billions from the treasury and launder through big pharma back into the pockets of the communist. Added extra is more trashing of personal rights.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 09:31:23 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 12, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisStigall/status/1689670913040568320
It’s the only way they can think of to draw back those of us who kick3d foxnews to the curb on election night 2020.
It won’t work, but it’s all they can come up with.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 10:23:38 AM
It’s the only way they can think of to draw back those of us who kick3d foxnews to the curb on election night 2020.
It won’t work, but it’s all they can come up with.
I believe it has more to do with Paul Ryan and an underhanded way of trying to control debates, and the election.
Except for the very bottom tier candidates, why would anyone bother with such a debate forum? It's obvious after viewing other FoxNews debates that it's not "Fair and Balanced" but highly tilted.
Post by: Rush on August 12, 2023, 10:58:44 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisStigall/status/1689670913040568320
Today Styx is hilarious, he’s begging anyone with Trump’s ear to get him the message: During the debates Trump should Tweet just one thing. It could just be a photo of him coming down the stairs, and it would suck all the attention away from the debates.
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2023, 04:28:18 PM
Who's stopping the other candidates from making their cases? So far I see Vivek rising in the polls, RDS failing and Pence extinguishing all chances. The others in the back of the pack not making much movement.Trump supporters are working 24/7 to diminish DeSantis as an establishment RINO despite all evidence. Yes, you are trying to silence the candidates and his supporters.
They all have chances to reach their audience and make their case heard.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 12, 2023, 05:53:22 PM
Trump supporters are working 24/7 to diminish DeSantis as an establishment RINO despite all evidence. Yes, you are trying to silence the candidates and his supporters.
are you saying that some of the Trump supporters are unwittingly doing the DNC's dirty work?
Post by: Number7 on August 12, 2023, 05:55:17 PM
Trump supporters are working 24/7 to diminish DeSantis as an establishment RINO despite all evidence. Yes, you are trying to silence the candidates and his supporters.
So…you’re like the democrat communists doing everything to silence rfk, because he might give the senile pedophile trouble?
You don’t think voters should support the candidate they want because it might diminish the one you want?
How American of you.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 12, 2023, 06:51:52 PM
Trump supporters are working 24/7 to diminish DeSantis as an establishment RINO despite all evidence. Yes, you are trying to silence the candidates and his supporters.I’d say DeSantis is diminishing himself. Or rather, his handlers are feeding him bad advice and it’s showing up as conflictedness or weakness in his public appearances. He doesn’t seem to have a consistent message that he is passionate about. It’s possible his handlers are RINOs or weak even if he is not. But you have to admit something is wrong.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2023, 07:14:02 PM
Trump supporters are working 24/7 to diminish DeSantis as an establishment RINO despite all evidence.
So? It's called campaigning. RDS supporters have been trying to diminish DJT using all sorts of nonsense.
Yes, you are trying to silence the candidates and his supporters.
I'm not trying to silence anyone, I just call it the way I see it.
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2023, 10:06:39 PM
I guess some Trump supporters do that. Not me. I might feeeeel like it’s disloyal, but I don’t judge people based on my feelings. I try to put myself in their shoes and understand their reasoning. And I very well understand their reasoning. Some of it I fully agree with like Trump’s age. I would rather elect someone younger.I believe you, but even you have regurgitated things about DeSantis that have no basis in fact, but have been pushed by Donald Trump.
I also understand the idea that Trump’s personality is very off putting to some people. Even if you think that doesn’t hurt his leadership, you may think it makes him unelectable. He has too much baggage. That’s not a falsehood, he does have a lot of baggage. My counter argument to that is that most of the baggage was created by his enemies, not Trump himself. But I can understand why a person would think no matter who created it, it makes him less electable or less able to function if he does get elected.
I don’t dispute all these reasons, they are very legitimate. I consider them myself. It’s just that people have different formulas they use when inputting these factors to arrive at a solution. In my formula, these negatives all put together still don’t outweigh Trump’s positives. The main one being that the intensity of the attacks on him show clearly that he is the one most feared by the cabal engaging in a soft coup of our country, and therefore the one with the most power to resist it.
Hence my position that the harder they attack him, the more certain I am that he is the man we need.
Listen, the U.S. will become an globalist authoritarian dictatorship, it is heading that way and will pass a point of no return. It’s just a matter of time. But we can forestall it temporarily, hopefully for at least a generation. Give our children a few more years of relative freedom. But at the point of no return we will have to choose between submitting as slaves, or bloodshed, assuming CoS or bloodless secession don’t work. Right now the best path to forestalling it is Trump in my opinion.
Even if DeSantis or Ramaswamy were as good or better, the polls indicate there is no way they can win the primary unless Trump dies or something.
That’s my opinion and reasoning but it’s fine if others have different opinions.
At the end of the day, everyone here knows I have been a Trump supporter since post Convention 2016. However, no one can articulate a winning GENERAL ELECTION strategy. Trump supporters are more than happy to work to crush Trump’s competitors and win the primary, but they collectively NEVER talk about how he can win the general election.
When I push that, and I’ve been doing that here for months, the standard answer is “well it’s rigged anyway so no Republican can win.” What a bullshit response. What they’re saying is we are supposed to accept that we just go down with the ship, but full speed ahead. Damn the torpedoes and all that. They are NEVER willing to concede that an alternative path might be available that could win the general.
Post by: Anthony on August 13, 2023, 03:45:05 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 13, 2023, 04:27:53 AM
I believe you, but even you have regurgitated things about DeSantis that have no basis in fact, but have been pushed by Donald Trump.I think you’re giving Donald Trump too much credit for DeSantis’ very visible weaknesses. I hasten to say he has strengths as well. But he gives off distinct vibes of not having enough of them. We are fighting a many-headed monster that is swallowing our country alive.
At the end of the day, everyone here knows I have been a Trump supporter since post Convention 2016. However, no one can articulate a winning GENERAL ELECTION strategy. Trump supporters are more than happy to work to crush Trump’s competitors and win the primary, but they collectively NEVER talk about how he can win the general election.
When I push that, and I’ve been doing that here for months, the standard answer is “well it’s rigged anyway so no Republican can win.” What a bullshit response. What they’re saying is we are supposed to accept that we just go down with the ship, but full speed ahead. Damn the torpedoes and all that. They are NEVER willing to concede that an alternative path might be available that could win the general.
People who support President Trump DO think he could win the general, IF cheating can be overcome, because he performed admirably as President while under constant attack and did win the general in 2020 with a historical number of votes. His support by conservatives has not waned, and is increasing among independents as people realize we are screwed and need a fighter. But Donald Trump will be universally loathed by liberals to their dying days.
However, cheating will, you must admit, happen again. It has not been fixed. I personally don’t think DeSantis can generate anywhere near the massive number of votes President Trump received in 2020 that exposed the massive cheating operation the left has in place.
If there is any hope for 2024 it’s to vote bigger than the cheaters expect and overwhelm them. But we did that in 2020 and here we are. We can do it again but so can they.
Post by: Rush on August 13, 2023, 04:59:06 AM
I believe you, but even you have regurgitated things about DeSantis that have no basis in fact, but have been pushed by Donald Trump.
I have?! What?
Post by: Anthony on August 13, 2023, 05:39:07 AM
I think you’re giving Donald Trump too much credit for DeSantis’ very visible weaknesses. I hasten to say he has strengths as well. But he gives off distinct vibes of not having enough of them. We are fighting a many-headed monster that is swallowing our country alive.
People who support President Trump DO think he could win the general, IF cheating can be overcome, because he performed admirably as President while under constant attack and did win the general in 2020 with a historical number of votes. His support by conservatives has not waned, and is increasing among independents as people realize we are screwed and need a fighter. But Donald Trump will be universally loathed by liberals to their dying days.
However, cheating will, you must admit, happen again. It has not been fixed. I personally don’t think DeSantis can generate anywhere near the massive number of votes President Trump received in 2020 that exposed the massive cheating operation the left has in place.
If there is any hope for 2024 it’s to vote bigger than the cheaters expect and overwhelm them. But we did that in 2020 and here we are. We can do it again but so can they.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Nicely said.
Post by: Lucifer on August 13, 2023, 05:55:08 AM
I think you’re giving Donald Trump too much credit for DeSantis’ very visible weaknesses. I hasten to say he has strengths as well. But he gives off distinct vibes of not having enough of them. We are fighting a many-headed monster that is swallowing our country alive.
People who support President Trump DO think he could win the general, IF cheating can be overcome, because he performed admirably as President while under constant attack and did win the general in 2020 with a historical number of votes. His support by conservatives has not waned, and is increasing among independents as people realize we are screwed and need a fighter. But Donald Trump will be universally loathed by liberals to their dying days.
However, cheating will, you must admit, happen again. It has not been fixed. I personally don’t think DeSantis can generate anywhere near the massive number of votes President Trump received in 2020 that exposed the massive cheating operation the left has in place.
If there is any hope for 2024 it’s to vote bigger than the cheaters expect and overwhelm them. But we did that in 2020 and here we are. We can do it again but so can they.
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THIS
Post by: Lucifer on August 13, 2023, 12:55:49 PM
Can't wait to see how this gets spun into "it's the Trump supporter's fault" ::)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399525/Is-man-beat-Donald-Trump-Virginias-GOP-Gov-Glenn-Youngkin-touted-lifeboat-candidate-2024-nomination-DeSantis-continues-flop-polls-showed-hed-triumph-Biden-liberal-leaning-Old-Dominion.html
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Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin has been touted as a potential Republican rival to Donald Trump for the 2024 presidential nomination.
Republicans who hate the thought of another Trump nomination are said to consider the moderate Old Dominion conservative a 'lifeboat' candidate, as former golden boy Ron DeSantis continues to founder in polls.
Youngkin, 56, knocked off longtime Clinton family ally and former governor of the liberal-leaning state Terry McAuliffe in 2021, with many suggesting he was part of a new wave of Republican leaders.
However, with the GOP failed to meet expectations in 2022's midterms and still have yet to come up with a substantial alternative to the controversial Trump, Youngkin's name is being suggested as a 'lifeboat' candidate according to some.
The Virginia governor has an approval rating of 57 percent in a state Biden won by 10 points in 2020, with polls showing he'd be the first Republican to win a presidential race in the liberal-leaning state since 2004 in people voted today.
Youngkin, who is term-limited and cannot run for governor again in 2025, claims he is more focused on his own state's November assembly elections.
Earlier this year, Axios reported he was considering re-entering the 2024 race - having previously dropped out - after DeSantis performed far worse than expected on the campaign trail.
'I'm excited about the midterms,' he told the Wall Street Journal. 'It gives us a chance to take our case back to voters and say, 'This is how we've done. We'd like for you to extend our license to lead by electing a House that's led by Republicans and flipping the Senate.''
He endorsed ten primary candidates this summer and each one of them advanced to the November general.
'If Mr. Youngkin flips the Senate in the fall, and no alternative to Mr. Trump has emerged, the pressure for the governor to jump into the presidential race will be enormous, no matter looming state filing deadlines,' the Journal's editorial board writes.
It comes after DeSantis and his wife Casey were heckled by furious protesters who referenced an embarrassing claim that the Florida governor eats chocolate pudding with his hands.
The aspiring 2024 presidential candidate and his glamorous wife walked awkwardly away as two women in t-shirts emblazoned with the words 'Bitches get stuff done' targeted them in Menlo, Iowa, on Friday.
Heather Ryan, 51, screeched her protest into a megaphone at the top of her voice, then launched into a foul-mouthed tirade at a male bystander who tried to stop her.
Onlookers claim she also branded DeSantis 'pudding fingers,' although that moment wasn't caught on camera.
It was a reference to a Daily Beast story published earlier this year claiming the lawmaker eats chocolate pudding without utensils, a claim which DeSantis has denied, but which has continued to haunt him since.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 14, 2023, 05:23:19 AM
Post by: Rush on August 14, 2023, 05:51:14 AM
Can't wait to see how this gets spun into "it's the Trump supporter's fault" ::)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399525/Is-man-beat-Donald-Trump-Virginias-GOP-Gov-Glenn-Youngkin-touted-lifeboat-candidate-2024-nomination-DeSantis-continues-flop-polls-showed-hed-triumph-Biden-liberal-leaning-Old-Dominion.html
Lifeboat? Like if Trump dies or something? Cause he has zero chance against Trump. I like Winsome Sears though. Not that she could beat Trump either.
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 06:06:47 AM
Lifeboat? Like if Trump dies or something? Cause he has zero chance against Trump. I like Winsome Sears though. Not that she could beat Trump either.
I wrote a few weeks ago that there was a lot of talk of RDS supporters dumping him and going with Youngkin instead. Apparently it's more than talk now.
And when I say supporters, I specifically mean the donors. RDS is finding out just how loyal the establishment is.
Post by: Rush on August 14, 2023, 06:45:44 AM
I wrote a few weeks ago that there was a lot of talk of RDS supporters dumping him and going with Youngkin instead. Apparently it's more than talk now.
And when I say supporters, I specifically mean the donors. RDS is finding out just how loyal the establishment is.
Well that’s a good point. Unless you’re Trump the donors matter.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 14, 2023, 07:25:05 AM
But each morning we’d wake up to find Donald Trump had won another state’s primary. The left was screaming that he must not win because “muh nuclear codes!”
We began to realize that as we watched him on the debate stage, and looked at the other GOP candidates, our overwhelming impression was that every other candidate represented more of same. Same empty promises, same puppet strings, same talking points, same graceful, apologetic acquiescence to the Dems, same blah blah blah. Same slow slide into bloated government and drip drip drip of lost freedoms.
By the time we voted for Donald Trump, our faith in him as a leader was greater than any other option.
Sorry to say it, but I see every GOP candidate today the same way we saw the pathetic GOP lineup in 2016. We are at war with a cabal that has captured our elections. Election 2020 was captured and look who has the nuclear codes now. Show me a candidate who talks about the literal war we are in with these scum, and I’ll take that candidate seriously.
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 08:35:27 AM
In 2016, my husband and I both thought Donald Trump was a joke, an unserious candidate. He’s soon vanish, we thought.
But each morning we’d wake up to find Donald Trump had won another state’s primary. The left was screaming that he must not win because “muh nuclear codes!”
We began to realize that as we watched him on the debate stage, and looked at the other GOP candidates, our overwhelming impression was that every other candidate represented more of same. Same empty promises, same puppet strings, same talking points, same graceful, apologetic acquiescence to the Dems, same blah blah blah. Same slow slide into bloated government and drip drip drip of lost freedoms.
By the time we voted for Donald Trump, our faith in him as a leader was greater than any other option.
Sorry to say it, but I see every GOP candidate today the same way we saw the pathetic GOP lineup in 2016. We are at war with a cabal that has captured our elections. Election 2020 was captured and look who has the nuclear codes now. Show me a candidate who talks about the literal war we are in with these scum, and I’ll take that candidate seriously.
At least DJT speaks on the subject.
(https://i.imgur.com/yfZRC3v.png)
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 08:36:55 AM
At least DJT speaks on the subject.
And then we hear "Why can't he just move on and stop talking about 2020?" Uh, dumbasses, we are in this mess because of 2020.
(https://i.imgur.com/yfZRC3v.png)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 14, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 14, 2023, 10:28:21 AM
Their ignorance is their imagined badge of courage.
Post by: Rush on August 14, 2023, 10:32:52 AM
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That’s me. Say they assassinate Trump and the GOP does nothing, no investigation, nothing. I will write in RK before I vote for a Republican. What will we have to lose at that point? It won’t matter if another Republican president is elected, the GOP will not have his or her back. The deep state will just continue its takeover.
Post by: Old Crow on August 14, 2023, 11:25:44 AM
https://resistthemainstream.com/watch-roseanne-barr-raises-eyebrows-with-dark-prediction-about-2024-election/
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 14, 2023, 11:56:46 AM
And we have this...Her and Lucifer appear to be in a contest for most paranoid scenarios. U.S. military vs armed illegals - which is worse I wonder?
https://resistthemainstream.com/watch-roseanne-barr-raises-eyebrows-with-dark-prediction-about-2024-election/
Post by: Rush on August 14, 2023, 11:59:55 AM
And we have this...
https://resistthemainstream.com/watch-roseanne-barr-raises-eyebrows-with-dark-prediction-about-2024-election/
I don’t agree with her. They won’t cancel the election because they have plans to cheat the win. Besides, the Constitution doesn’t allow indefinite suspension of transfer of power. There are very specific steps to who decides who is President by the end of a president’s term in January and they involve Congress, the states and the Electoral college. The election itself can be suspended but that doesn’t mean the sitting president remains in power. His term ends when it ends.
If they attempt to side step that process to keep Joe in the WH it would be completely illegal and hence an actual coup. They’d probably have to have the military involved because there would be enough armed citizens who would take exception to it. It would touch off a hot civil war. That might be what she means but I don’t think it will happen quite yet.
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 12:37:03 PM
Her and Lucifer appear to be in a contest for most paranoid scenarios.
Beats pretending to be an intellectual.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 14, 2023, 12:39:15 PM
Her and Lucifer appear to be in a contest for most paranoid scenarios. U.S. military vs armed illegals - which is worse I wonder?She, not her.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 14, 2023, 01:15:49 PM
Beats pretending to be an intellectual.
I'm just an old guy with opinions and have never claimed otherwise. Why you would think otherwise is yet another of your inventions.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 14, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
She, not her.Last minute edit left that mistake in there. Proof I'm no intellectual.
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 01:24:36 PM
I'm just an old guy with opinions and have never claimed otherwise. Why you would think otherwise is yet another of your inventions.
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Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 02:29:27 PM
Post by: nddons on August 14, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1691140445576073217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1691140445576073217%7Ctwgr%5Eedce3eb6fb138abd129921b8ebe5d0bcc3ed792b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2FMolly is always right.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 14, 2023, 05:45:24 PM
Honestly, I do think all the challengers should step back out of the race and declare they are supportive of President Trump. These attempts to remove President Trump with lawfare are disgusting, tyrannical and I would think illegal. Those currently running would increase their political capital immensely by withdrawing and supporting Trump, but they’d all have to do it.
Anyone not strongly calling out the Biden administration’s perfidy in repeatedly arresting their main opponent is not worthy of being President.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 03:55:54 AM
https://gab.com/UngaTheGreat/posts/110888416504646412
Honestly, I do think all the challengers should step back out of the race and declare they are supportive of President Trump. These attempts to remove President Trump with lawfare are disgusting, tyrannical and I would think illegal. Those currently running would increase their political capital immensely by withdrawing and supporting Trump, but they’d all have to do it.
Anyone not strongly calling out the Biden administration’s perfidy in repeatedly arresting their main opponent is not worthy of being President.
Agree! It’s something that bothers me about all of them.
Post by: Username on August 15, 2023, 05:26:17 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 15, 2023, 05:49:36 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 06:14:02 AM
Agree! It’s something that bothers me about all of them.It should more than bother us. It should outrage us. All these candidates except President Trump are bluntly or delicately sidestepping the fact that the illegally installed administration is engaging in banana republic tactics to stay in power. These candidates clearly are signalling that they are okay with a banana republic and are unwilling to mount a resistance to restore our Republic.
Nothing else matters now but this. Any aspirant to the office not addressing this situation is not worthy to be President.
All Americans must stop pretending this isn’t happening or, in the case of brain dead liberals, celebrating it.
Post by: Username on August 15, 2023, 06:20:26 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 06:59:35 AM
All the other republican candidates are running on "but I'm not Trump". Any mention of the election irregularities will be seen as supporting Trump and will destroy their message of being "not Trump".True. But it’s a position that leaves the banana republic in place ad infinitum. Thus, they are not worthy.
Post by: Username on August 15, 2023, 07:10:50 AM
True. But it’s a position that leaves the banana republic in place ad infinitum. Thus, they are not worthy.Agreed. And that's the republican way. They are very happy being out of power. All the benefits of being in office and they aren't expected to accomplish anything. Republicans are happiest when they can sit in the back seat and grumble. And then enrich themselves.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 07:19:47 AM
Agreed. And that's the republican way. They are very happy being out of power. All the benefits of being in office and they aren't expected to accomplish anything. Republicans are happiest when they can sit in the back seat and grumble. And then enrich themselves.Exactly. One gets the feeling all these GOP “challengers” know they cannot “win.” Or should I say, it has been preordained that they will not win. And they know it. Yet as ticket takers they are assured of continued largesse if they play the game.
Here is an interesting example. DeSantis keeps saying he can win the general, implying Trump cannot. Yet DeSantis is underwater in the primary. How do you get to the general if you’re sinking in the primary?
https://gab.com/UngaTheGreat/posts/110888416504646412
Answer: Your strongest opponent, who leads by orders of magnitude, is taken out by thug lawfare or some other means, none of which really are off the table.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 07:21:55 AM
Lays it out exactly.
https://rumble.com/v37sya6-tuesday-live-trump-indicted-biden-ignores-maui-rich-men-north-of-richmond-o.html
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 07:33:02 AM
Exactly. One gets the feeling all these GOP “challengers” know they cannot “win.” Or should I say, it has been preordained that they will not win. And they know it. Yet as ticket takers they are assured of continued largesse if they play the game.
Here is an interesting example. DeSantis keeps saying he can win the general, implying Trump cannot. Yet DeSantis is underwater in the primary. How do you get to the general if you’re sinking in the primary?
https://gab.com/UngaTheGreat/posts/110888416504646412
Answer: Your strongest opponent, who leads by orders of magnitude, is taken out by thug lawfare or some other means, none of which really are off the table.
I'll go a step further. Even if they successfully remove DJT from the ballot, RDS will still not have the numbers to get the nomination.
RDS has turned off conservative voters, for many reasons. He's stiff, non charismatic and just simply lacks appeal. Before someone jumps in and yells "But Florida he won by 20%!", keep in mind we are talking about a national election, not a state wide election. There have been several governors that have done well in state elections only to flop in a national.
Even the big dollar establishment donors are weary of RDS now, and that's telling.
Secondly, any conservative candidate that should rise if DJT is removed will receive the full wrath of the communist and their media, to include bimbo parades, family attacks, scandals and of course investigations by the DoJ and likely indictments.
The communist have been cultivating the narrative that ALL conservatives are essentially white supremacist nazi's that cannot be trusted and by their very existence criminals.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 07:50:50 AM
I'll go a step further. Even if they successfully remove DJT from the ballot, RDS will still not have the numbers to get the nomination.
RDS has turned off conservative voters, for many reasons. He's stiff, non charismatic and just simply lacks appeal. Before someone jumps in and yells "But Florida he won by 20%!", keep in mind we are talking about a national election, not a state wide election. There have been several governors that have done well in state elections only to flop in a national.
Even the big dollar establishment donors are weary of RDS now, and that's telling.
Secondly, any conservative candidate that should rise if DJT is removed will receive the full wrath of the communist and their media, to include bimbo parades, family attacks, scandals and of course investigations by the DoJ and likely indictments.
The communist have been cultivating the narrative that ALL conservatives are essentially white supremacist nazi's that cannot be trusted and by their very existence criminals.
Any true reformer will be afraid to run after seeing the legal and otherwise persecution of anyone of any influence who goes against the establishment. They’re making examples of people right and left.
Post by: Anthony on August 15, 2023, 07:52:56 AM
True. But it’s a position that leaves the banana republic in place ad infinitum. Thus, they are not worthy.
It will stay in place. Even Trump can't stop it. Only revolution, secession and/or civil war can stop it.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 08:00:46 AM
It will stay in place. Even Trump can't stop it. Only revolution, secession and/or civil war can stop it.
Listen to the Styx rumble thing I posted. Trump can delay it somewhat.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 08:07:22 AM
Any true reformer will be afraid to run after seeing the legal and otherwise persecution of anyone of any influence who goes against the establishment. They’re making examples of people right and left.
Exactly. The democrat communist are letting it be known "If anyone dare take us on, we will destroy you". Just like any tyrannical regime.
Right now this country should be in an uproar over the regime's banana republic style subversion of the law. Our elected representatives should immediately come back into session and fight this garbage.
But they won't, and the communist know this. Kevin McLoser will put out a tweet "condemning" what is going on with no real mention of DJT, then he will go back to his vacation. A few committed conservatives will raise hell, but be drowned out by the RINOs and media.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 08:31:56 AM
It should more than bother us. It should outrage us. All these candidates except President Trump are bluntly or delicately sidestepping the fact that the illegally installed administration is engaging in banana republic tactics to stay in power. These candidates clearly are signalling that they are okay with a banana republic and are unwilling to mount a resistance to restore our Republic.Maybe Trump should drop out, since he’s going to be burdened with defending himself in each of these cases, and won’t be able to devote himself to the office. He can run in 2028.
Nothing else matters now but this. Any aspirant to the office not addressing this situation is not worthy to be President.
All Americans must stop pretending this isn’t happening or, in the case of brain dead liberals, celebrating it.
Post by: Number7 on August 15, 2023, 08:45:48 AM
Maybe Trump should drop out, since he’s going to be burdened with defending himself in each of these cases, and won’t be able to devote himself to the office. He can run in 2028.
…and maybe the brains fairy will show up and tap you with her magic wand, giving you a clue.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 15, 2023, 09:17:19 AM
Secondly, any conservative candidate that should rise if DJT is removed will receive the full wrath of the communist and their media, to include bimbo parades, family attacks, scandals and of course investigations by the DoJ and likely indictments.Since the attacks will occur regardless of candidate put forth, what does it matter whether Trump is the nominee and target of the attacks? These sorts of attacks have occurred for most of the Republic. They've only changed in tenor and fervor. Why not find the candidate who voices policies you generally agree with and think will be effective in carrying them out? Then Trump becomes one of several possibilities, not the idol of a personality cult.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 09:22:23 AM
Maybe Trump should drop out, since he’s going to be burdened with defending himself in each of these cases, and won’t be able to devote himself to the office. He can run in 2028.
I hope you are kidding.
1. He will be too old in 2028.
2. They won’t stop going after him until he is dead no matter what he does or doesn’t do or when he does it. You think they’ll drop all those charges if he drops out of the race? They are after “retribution” for daring to oppose the status quo. They’re now on auto-frenzy like a bunch of sharks and won’t stop until he is literally dead, preferably while in prison.
The best thing for him to do is exactly what he is doing. Stay the course. The worse it gets the more it drives up his popularity. This is the case with no other; any other politician’s career would be instantly destroyed by indictments like this. That’s how we know he is the man we need. At this point the best thing for him is to regain the White House where he will have some ability to fight against them.
If he doesn’t, none of us are safe from the same kind of political persecution. We might as well live in China because that’s the direction we’re going. Trump might not be able to stop it, but maybe he can forestall it long enough for me to exit this stupid life.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 15, 2023, 09:36:16 AM
- Who plans to watch the first Republican debate?
- Will Trump participate?
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 09:42:17 AM
Two questions:
- Who plans to watch the first Republican debate?
- Will Trump participate?
1. If somebody puts it up in my face I’ll watch some of it. Until I get bored which will be quickly. Like you post a live link or it’s streamed on Twitter and it shows up in my feed. I won’t go out of my way to find it.
2. No. If by some chance he does I will go out of my way to find it.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 09:43:44 AM
Since the attacks will occur regardless of candidate put forth, what does it matter whether Trump is the nominee and target of the attacks? These sorts of attacks have occurred for most of the Republic. They've only changed in tenor and fervor. Why not find the candidate who voices policies you generally agree with and think will be effective in carrying them out? Then Trump becomes one of several possibilities, not the idol of a personality cult.
Personally I don't believe Trump is an idol of a personality cult. By the way, the left has been pushing that talking point, and you of course are eager to regurgitate it.
And apparently while consuming yourself with Ukraine and why the US should keep shoveling money in that shit hole, you are obviously missing the tenor and fervor of the attacks. When in our past has the media colluded with a political party to develop and promote a false narrative that involved millions of dollars, special council appointments and now, indictments of political rivals?
And why does this matter to you? You like supporting and voting for candidates of a loopy party that's never gained traction. To me, that is a cult.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 09:49:39 AM
If he doesn’t, none of us are safe from the same kind of political persecution. We might as well live in China because that’s the direction we’re going.
Read the latest indictment from Georgia. Now someone can be indicted for asking for a phone number. One can also be indicted for using Twitter.
Ask someone to watch a particular network? Indictment. Want to reserve some rooms? Indictment. Want to do grassroots campaigning? Indictment. Encourage people to go to a hearing? Indictment. Ask for signature verification on a ballot? Indictment.
Make a phone call to a legislator? Indictment.
Xi must be beaming with joy right now.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 10:09:07 AM
Personally I don't believe Trump is an idol of a personality cult.
I was getting ready to post this exact thing. I’m getting tired of being accused of liking Trump because it’s a “cult”.
I like him because when he was in office he kept, or tried to keep, more promises than any other president in my lifetime. I like him because gas prices were low in large part due to his policies, the economy was roaring, my investments were growing, we had no new wars, foreign policy was going relatively well, even in impossible places like the Mideast and North Korea, and there was relative domestic peace.
These things literally improved my life. It had nothing to do with me liking his personality. There are aspects of it I like a lot but he’s not the type I would even tolerate as a close friend. Too narcissistic, too extroverted, too blunt, too scrappy. Some of this serves him very well in his mission to stand up to the largest earthly power that has ever existed in the history of our species (the U.S. government) which has been co-opted by a set of corrupt monsters. You need to be an asshole to fight that.
If I view him as a hero between myself and tyranny, that’s no more a cult than the U.S. was a hero between the European people and Hitler during WW2. That’s not a cult. That’s appreciation of a reality.
Sheesh.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 10:24:43 AM
I was getting ready to post this exact thing. I’m getting tired of being accused of liking Trump because it’s a “cult”.
I like him because when he was in office he kept, or tried to keep, more promises than any other president in my lifetime. I like him because gas prices were low in large part due to his policies, the economy was roaring, my investments were growing, we had no new wars, foreign policy was going relatively well, even in impossible places like the Mideast and North Korea, and there was relative domestic peace.
These things literally improved my life. It had nothing to do with me liking his personality. There are aspects of it I like a lot but he’s not the type I would even tolerate as a close friend. Too narcissistic, too extroverted, too blunt, too scrappy. Some of this serves him very well in his mission to stand up to the largest earthly power that has ever existed in the history of our species (the U.S. government) which has been co-opted by a set of corrupt monsters. You need to be an asshole to fight that.
If I view him as a hero between myself and tyranny, that’s no more a cult than the U.S. was a hero between the European people and Hitler during WW2. That’s not a cult. That’s appreciation of a reality.
Sheesh.
The "cult" talking points are all a part of the communist smear campaign. People find it offensive to be told "you are in a cult" and the leftist use such talk in an effort to shame people away from the candidate. It's in line with telling anyone who doesn't support the Ukraine Clusterfuck "you're a Putin puppet", or the leftist favorite phrase for everything "you're a Nazi!".
The democrat communist propaganda campaign in conjunction with the state run media is actually highly effective, as witnessed here.
Post by: Anthony on August 15, 2023, 11:00:44 AM
Since the attacks will occur regardless of candidate put forth, what does it matter whether Trump is the nominee and target of the attacks? These sorts of attacks have occurred for most of the Republic. They've only changed in tenor and fervor. Why not find the candidate who voices policies you generally agree with and think will be effective in carrying them out? Then Trump becomes one of several possibilities, not the idol of a personality cult.
You can be a condescending jerk Jim, and I'm saying that nicely. So if you support Trump, you're just an idol worshipping CULTIST? Thanks for painting me and others with an insultingly, broad brush.
And, oh, by the way, you're wrong wrong AGAIN.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 11:33:19 AM
I hope you are kidding.I’m kidding in the second sentence, but not the first. Right or wrong, fraudulent charges or not, politically-motivated indictments or not, he will now be consumed with his own defense, and the very real risk of going to prison, as impossible as that might seem.
1. He will be too old in 2028.
2. They won’t stop going after him until he is dead no matter what he does or doesn’t do or when he does it. You think they’ll drop all those charges if he drops out of the race? They are after “retribution” for daring to oppose the status quo. They’re now on auto-frenzy like a bunch of sharks and won’t stop until he is literally dead, preferably while in prison.
The best thing for him to do is exactly what he is doing. Stay the course. The worse it gets the more it drives up his popularity. This is the case with no other; any other politician’s career would be instantly destroyed by indictments like this. That’s how we know he is the man we need. At this point the best thing for him is to regain the White House where he will have some ability to fight against them.
If he doesn’t, none of us are safe from the same kind of political persecution. We might as well live in China because that’s the direction we’re going. Trump might not be able to stop it, but maybe he can forestall it long enough for me to exit this stupid life.
Is THAT the best thing for this country? Will fiscal restraint, trade, taxes, the border invasion, domestic and foreign policy be the first things he thinks about when he wakes up in the morning, or will it be filled with the possibility of ending his natural life in a prison cell.
Lastly, these federal and state prosecutors know how to read a calendar, and they will control discovery, trial, appeals, sentencing if found guilty, so that the maximum damage can be done to an active presidential campaign, or to a lame duck presidency if he gets that far.
Post by: Number7 on August 15, 2023, 11:53:22 AM
Read the latest indictment from Georgia. Now someone can be indicted for asking for a phone number. One can also be indicted for using Twitter.
Ask someone to watch a particular network? Indictment. Want to reserve some rooms? Indictment. Want to do grassroots campaigning? Indictment. Encourage people to go to a hearing? Indictment. Ask for signature verification on a ballot? Indictment.
Make a phone call to a legislator? Indictment.
Xi must be beaming with joy right now.
mikey must be so thrilled to discover that constitution allows political parties to outlaw competition.
I imagine jim wasn’t present when the crimes of petitioning the government for redress became illegal, so it must not have happened.
Little joe surely agrees that President Trump should be indicted to keep him from running for president because some fuckwad rinos think he might not win.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 15, 2023, 12:34:58 PM
You can be a condescending jerk Jim, and I'm saying that nicely. So if you support Trump, you're just an idol worshipping CULTIST? Thanks for painting me and others with an insultingly, broad brush.Supporting Trump because he is the only candidate that meets your criteria is one thing, and lots of people fall into that, but then why personal attacks against any candidate not Trump because they are not Trump? I can quote posts where the argument is that anyone not Trump is unworthy simply because they aren't Trump - and all other contenders are establishment tools. I've posted info showing that Trump has accepted money from establishment types but that is brushed aside while with any other candidate doing the same is branded as a unipartyist.
And, oh, by the way, you're wrong wrong AGAIN.
I'm not saying you're a cultist, just that perhaps you and bunch of others here are now emotionally invested in one person and engage in selective rationalization, and I'm saying that nicely.
Sorry if I hold loopy ideas and insult others after I constantly get insulted for holding contrary ideas. But that's the great thing about an unmoderated forum.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 12:43:47 PM
I’m kidding in the second sentence, but not the first. Right or wrong, fraudulent charges or not, politically-motivated indictments or not, he will now be consumed with his own defense, and the very real risk of going to prison, as impossible as that might seem.
Is THAT the best thing for this country? Will fiscal restraint, trade, taxes, the border invasion, domestic and foreign policy be the first things he thinks about when he wakes up in the morning, or will it be filled with the possibility of ending his natural life in a prison cell.
Lastly, these federal and state prosecutors know how to read a calendar, and they will control discovery, trial, appeals, sentencing if found guilty, so that the maximum damage can be done to an active presidential campaign, or to a lame duck presidency if he gets that far.
And with what certainty do you have the next in line doesn’t get the same treatment?
After all, if all they need to do is come up with phony crimes and indictments to get rid of an opponent, and willing prosecutors to do the dirty work, why not.
That slope is indeed slippery.
Post by: Anthony on August 15, 2023, 12:48:03 PM
And with what certainty do you have the next in line doesn’t get the same treatment?
After all, if all they need to do is come up with phony crimes and indictments to get rid of an opponent, and willing prosecutors to do the dirty work, why not.
That slope is indeed slippery.
It won't stop with Trump. It could be RDS or someone else. Just like they won't stop election fraud.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 01:29:22 PM
I’m kidding in the second sentence, but not the first. Right or wrong, fraudulent charges or not, politically-motivated indictments or not, he will now be consumed with his own defense, and the very real risk of going to prison, as impossible as that might seem.
Is THAT the best thing for this country? Will fiscal restraint, trade, taxes, the border invasion, domestic and foreign policy be the first things he thinks about when he wakes up in the morning, or will it be filled with the possibility of ending his natural life in a prison cell.
Lastly, these federal and state prosecutors know how to read a calendar, and they will control discovery, trial, appeals, sentencing if found guilty, so that the maximum damage can be done to an active presidential campaign, or to a lame duck presidency if he gets that far.
All that might be true but if you abandon Trump because of it, you are doing exactly what they want you to do.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 02:28:51 PM
And with what certainty do you have the next in line doesn’t get the same treatment?You and others act as if all of these indictments are completely fabricated with zero factual evidence. Some of it is bullshit, some of it may be real, but almost ALL of it has some element of self-inflicted wounds.
After all, if all they need to do is come up with phony crimes and indictments to get rid of an opponent, and willing prosecutors to do the dirty work, why not.
That slope is indeed slippery.
The other candidates may not be that stupid.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 02:32:00 PM
You and others act as if all of these indictments are completely fabricated with zero factual evidence. Some of it is bullshit, some of it may be real, but almost ALL of it has some element of self-inflicted wounds.
The other candidates may not be that stupid.
He did nothing that all politicians and presidents don’t do and far less. They’re going after him as a witch-hunt, timed to interfere with the 2024 election.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 03:11:30 PM
You and others act as if all of these indictments are completely fabricated with zero factual evidence. Some of it is bullshit, some of it may be real, but almost ALL of it has some element of self-inflicted wounds.
The other candidates may not be that stupid.
Using the methodology of the prosecutors and DoJ, each and every candidate can be brought up on charges. That's the fuckin' plan Stan. This is how authoritarian regimes operate.
Right now I am under the opinion DJT will be jailed, and he will not be allowed on several states ballots effectively knocking him out of the race. But whoever is next in line, you can bet your ass they will go after them as well. And the next guy.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
No scientist or mathematician or even geeky libertarian can deny that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election. That election attracted geeks from all over the world and it has been analyzed and established beyond doubt that a Biden win is not just statistically improbable, but impossible.
Ignoring that fact is exactly what the election thieves want you to do. Turning away from their only real and powerful public challenger is exactly what they want you to do. We’re now in a bizzare horror movie where our only hope is to outsmart and deal a death blow to our captors.
If, as some here say, President Trump is a loss and liability to We the People, why don’t our captors leave him alone and let him self destruct? Because he won’t. His blunt and consistent message has been against them and for us. And they know we know that.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 04:10:08 PM
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CHARLIE KIRK
There are 27 Republican attorneys general in the U.S., compared to 23 Democrats. But you’d hardly know it these days. Today, all the celebrity prosecutors are Democrats. The left has an entire caste of politicians who make their careers by loudly hunting down supposed “wrongdoers,” using whatever excuses they can manufacture.
This cabal of prosecutors has existed for a while. In New York, for instance, the attorney general’s office has spent years neutering the National Rifle Association with a legal offensive meant to shut it down or at least entirely disable it as a national political force — an offensive that has mostly succeeded.
But the Democrat effort to criminalize their political enemies has reached its climax in 2023. Republicans have sat and watched as four separate indictments have come down from three separate prosecutors, all with the same purpose: imprisoning Donald Trump and as many of his political allies as they can get away with. Monday’s indictment out of Fulton County, Georgia, is the most extreme yet, seeking to ensnare not just Trump but 18 of his associates for the “crime” of contesting the 2020 election through the courts and legislative process.
The goal of all these indictments is simple: rig the 2024 election in the court system before a single ballot can even be cast, and criminalize the MAGA political movement Trump has built.
As our founders knew, and as Ben Franklin famously warned, maintaining a republic is not easy. The temptation is always there for tyrants to abuse their powers to nullify elections and make their hold on power permanent. One of the crucial checks on that abuse of power is that when there is overreach, other branches of government can push back. We understand this intuitively at the federal level. A president who grows too ambitious can be checked by Congress or by the courts.
But that is not the only balancing force in the American system. There is another: When politicians are tempted to prosecute their political enemies, for political reasons, they must fear the same thing happening to them.
Right now, the left does not have that fear, because conservatives have sat idle, refusing to act. That must change.
Of the four indictments brought against Trump, three are completely legally unprecedented in nature. Jack Smith’s J6 indictment and the new Fulton County case are both attempts to criminalize previously completely legal efforts to contest disputed elections through the courts and legislative bodies. Alvin Bragg’s case in New York, meanwhile, is a surreal effort to prosecute Trump for “covering up” a federal crime he has never even been charged with.
For the sake of rigging an election and imprisoning its enemies, the left got creative. For the sake of defending our system of government from this outlandish attack, we may have to get creative too. I offer the following examples as a starting point, but by no means an endpoint.
Hunter Biden
If Trump can be harassed everywhere from Fulton County to the Financial District, why can’t any state prosecutors take aim at Hunter Biden, whose lifetime of sordid criminal behavior has been released for the entire planet to see?
Biden has written in his memoir about a four-day crack bender he went on in Nashville in October 2016, part of a “crack-fueled, cross-country odyssey.” His infamous laptop, meanwhile, has damning proof of Biden buying tens of thousands of dollars worth of prostitute services from Florida-based madam Ekaterina Moreva. What can Florida do in response to that? I don’t know the answer, but I know this: If Democrats discovered a Trump family member had sent thousands to a madam in one of their states, the answer would not be “nothing.”
James Biden
Joe Biden’s brother has been at the heart of a long-running federal investigation into various health care ventures he was part of, in which James flagrantly trafficked in his brother’s name to attract investment that otherwise never would have happened. James then allegedly used these companies as a personal piggy bank. Today, thanks to the Hunter Biden whistleblowers, we can guess the real reason no federal charges have been forthcoming: James Biden is being politically protected. Oh well. Since Biden’s companies have operated in states like Florida and Kentucky, it’s time for state-level officials to get in on the action.
Alejandro Mayorkas
The calamity along the U.S. border has long ceased to be defensible as simply an overmatched Border Patrol grappling with a flood of humanity. It is a calculated dereliction of duty to enable an ongoing invasion of the United States. Congress should of course impeach Department of Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas for his conduct, but there’s another option: indict him for abetting human trafficking.
Black Lives Matter
The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation is the most glaring charity scam in America. BLM took in $90 million in donations in its first year of operations, riding high on the link between its name and the chant shouted by George Floyd rioters.
The charity, from the beginning, was a scam. It spent $6 million on a luxury home in the Los Angeles area, justifying the purchase by saying it could be used by black social media influencers (seriously) or serve as a “safe house” for people receiving “death threats” (seriously). In reality, the house was enjoyed by founder Patrisse Cullors for her personal use, while being monitored by her brother, who was on BLM’s payroll.
The above is all we need to call it a criminal scam. Buying an entire luxury house with dollars donated to fight racism? AG offices exist to prosecute this sort of thing. BLM got donations from every state in the country and quite possibly nearly every county. So it’s time Republican AGs acted accordingly. The people of their states were defrauded by BLM. Investigate and indict them.
Southern Poverty Law Center
For decades, the Southern Poverty Law Center has collected revenues well in excess of its spending. In 2022, it collected $140 million and spent just $110 million, for a surplus of nearly $30 million. It has amassed a war chest of more than $700 million. The SPLC’s lavish headquarters has been nicknamed the Poverty Palace. Even other, more principled liberals find the group completely loathsome; in 1996, one of them called SPLC founder Morris Dees “a fraud and a conman.” In a 2019 piece, former staffer Bob Moser said the group was “ripping” off donors and was essentially a “con.”
Well, the SPLC is headquartered in Mobile, Alabama. So, I ask, where is the war room in the Alabama AG’s office investigating the SPLC the way New York investigates the NRA?
Literally Any Democrat, for Anything
But really, giving specific names is beside the point. The cases against Trump and his associates aren’t the product of a reasoned criminal inquiry. They are the product of years of work that started from the premise of “investigate Trump for literally anything, and bring whatever charges you can come up with, even if they’re invented.”
That premise can be equally applied to any Democrat official, and for the time being, it should be. Given how many lawmakers fudge their federal taxes (or don’t pay them at all), what are the odds they’re paying their state taxes properly? What are the odds that congressmen representing deep-blue cities in red states are perfectly clean in all their dealings? That’s a good place to start. Send out subpoenas, demand records, fish constantly for anything remotely questionable.
“Investigate first, define the crimes later” should be the order of the day. And for even the most minor of offenses, the rule should be: no charity, no goodwill, no mercy. After all, it’s what Democrats have practiced the past seven years.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/15/how-should-republicans-respond-to-fulton-county-indict-the-left/
Post by: Number7 on August 15, 2023, 04:10:20 PM
You and others act as if all of these indictments are completely fabricated with zero factual evidence. Some of it is bullshit, some of it may be real, but almost ALL of it has some element of self-inflicted wounds.
The other candidates may not be that stupid.
Your total devotion to this stupid line of reasoning is so pathetic, it makes me wonder if you are just toying with us.
ANY somewhat intelligent adult sees thru this bullshit, but your devoted to anyone-but-Trump, so you suck it up and keep spewing it out.
Post by: Username on August 15, 2023, 05:29:36 PM
Right now I am under the opinion DJT will be jailed, and he will not be allowed on several states ballots effectively knocking him out of the race. But whoever is next in line, you can bet your ass they will go after them as well. And the next guy.He may not go to jail, but he will be pulled off the ballots in several states. By the time that's determined to be unconstitutional, it will be too late.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 05:37:01 PM
He may not go to jail, but he will be pulled off the ballots in several states. By the time that's determined to be unconstitutional, it will be too late.
Definitely a scenario.
I think they would like to get him in a jail, in an orange jumpsuit. Of course, shave his head and keep him in solitary with no phone. Just think of all the mileage they could get with that.
The dipshit Sheriff in GA is antsy to get a mugshot. Think about it, DJT is probably one of the most recognizable people on the planet.
A mugshot is totally uncalled for in a case like this. But they want the optics.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
He may not go to jail, but he will be pulled off the ballots in several states. By the time that's determined to be unconstitutional, it will be too late.This is why a high and holy stink must be raised now and continually, to expose and declaim and stop this criminal administration from using these tactics to eliminate all opposition.
I see no reason why any and all presidential candidates should not point this out. If they don’t, they’re complicit. They have to know also that if they don’t stop it, they’re next.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 06:11:52 PM
This is why a high and holy stink must be raised now and continually, to expose and declaim and stop this criminal administration from using these tactics to eliminate all opposition.
I see no reason why any and all presidential candidates should not point this out. If they don’t, they’re complicit. They have to know also that if they don’t stop it, they’re next.
Let's go a step further. What about congressmen and senators? We've already seen on the state level in a few blue shit holes that conservative rivals being arrested, again over bogus charges.
If the republicans don't rise up and slap these fools down, it will become the norm and accepted.
I posted a Charlie Kirk article that spells out what needs to start happening NOW.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
All that might be true but if you abandon Trump because of it, you are doing exactly what they want you to do.I am loyal to God and my wife. No politician has earned that right for my “loyalty,” particularly if it means following him over the cliff in an electoral loss.
I’m only about the best possible chance to get a conservative elected president in 2024. I don’t think Trump can possibly win the general. If I have to kick Trump’s puppies to get to a win, I will.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 06:44:47 PM
He did nothing that all politicians and presidents don’t do and far less. They’re going after him as a witch-hunt, timed to interfere with the 2024 election.Yes they are. And that’s my point. Witch hunt or not, he’ll be fighting for his life soon.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 06:49:51 PM
Using the methodology of the prosecutors and DoJ, each and every candidate can be brought up on charges. That's the fuckin' plan Stan. This is how authoritarian regimes operate.Maybe so. But to date none of the other candidates has acted recklessly or done things that could be illegal. Trump has brought some of these upon himself because of his actions.
Right now I am under the opinion DJT will be jailed, and he will not be allowed on several states ballots effectively knocking him out of the race. But whoever is next in line, you can bet your ass they will go after them as well. And the next guy.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
If I have to kick Trump’s puppies to get to a win, I will.
It’s as if that fat fucking slob JeffDG has hijacked your account.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 06:52:10 PM
Your total devotion to this stupid line of reasoning is so pathetic, it makes me wonder if you are just toying with us.The kids table is over there ———->
ANY somewhat intelligent adult sees thru this bullshit, but your devoted to anyone-but-Trump, so you suck it up and keep spewing it out.
Run along.
Post by: Rush on August 15, 2023, 07:06:01 PM
I am loyal to God and my wife. No politician has earned that right for my “loyalty,” particularly if it means following him over the cliff in an electoral loss.
I’m only about the best possible chance to get a conservative elected president in 2024. I don’t think Trump can possibly win the general. If I have to kick Trump’s puppies to get to a win, I will.
We are back to that. We have been going round and round on the same disagreement. You think he can’t win the general and I think he has a better shot winning the general than any other republican. Nothing else we say to each other will convince the other if we both stick to those beliefs.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 07:12:54 PM
It’s as if that fat fucking slob JeffDG has hijacked your account.Is it that tough to understand that winning is everything here? Literally nothing else matters.
Everyone seems to be willing to fall on a grenade for Trump, accepting all of the formidable hurdles thrown at Trump, but willing to electorally die for him anyway.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
Is it that tough to understand that winning is everything here? Literally nothing else matters.
Everyone seems to be willing to fall on a grenade for Trump, accepting all of the formidable hurdles thrown at Trump, but willing to electorally die for him anyway.
You keep lumping “everyone”. I’ve stated numerous times where I stand, and where I think this is going.
You and another one are convinced if everyone just get behind a guy that can’t even get his campaign going, he will magically win and the democrats will go into retreat.
Who’s being delusional?
Post by: Number7 on August 15, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
The kids table is over there ———->
Run along.
Fuck off little fellow.
Your pussy must be really hurting tonight.
mikey can help you purchase the right kind of midol and maybe the cramps will subside.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 15, 2023, 08:46:08 PM
I envy him.
Post by: nddons on August 15, 2023, 10:22:07 PM
Stan lives in a world where elections are secure and everyone’s vote counts. Where a Republican can “win the general.”Better than throwing your hands up and just give up, which is what you sound like, Becky.
I envy him.
I won’t quit.
Post by: Rush on August 16, 2023, 03:48:48 AM
Better than throwing your hands up and just give up, which is what you sound like, Becky.
I won’t quit.
Who’s quitting? Or rather, is it you who are throwing up your hands and quitting? Once again, it seems we have opposite premises from which our respective positions flow.
Becky and I have the premise that the only chance to resist the leftist takeover of our government is to stay with the one person who has a track record of opposing them, and who the system demonstrates it most fears by it’s illegal and desperate attempts to stop him from running. Far from giving up, we are staying the course.
You have the premise that Trump is radioactive, that he is too damaged to win, and even if he did, he is so hated he would be blocked and hamstrung all during his term and not be able to get anything done. Other candidates can also fight the leftist takeover and more effectively than Trump, and they have a better chance of actually winning the election. You think you are the one not quitting because you have enough faith the election system still works well enough that someone not Trump can actually beat Biden.
I think we both agree there is election fraud. You think it will be worse with Trump, you might be right. My position is that I don’t know if it will be worse with Trump. I think either it will be just as bad and no R can win, or if it isn’t as bad as with Trump, that means the left doesn’t fear that candidate which means he or she is not much of a threat to them. So there is no point in supporting a candidate other than Trump.
So because of our starting premises, we each think the other is the one throwing up their hands and quitting. There is no reconciliation here until one of us changes his premise.
And by “his” I don’t mean you. I’m using the generic “mankind” pronoun which means “his or her”. I refuse to cave to woke language perversion.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 16, 2023, 04:02:14 AM
Post by: Rush on August 16, 2023, 04:16:50 AM
Christie has pulled ahead of DeSantis in NH.
I can’t get past the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Christie named their son Chris.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 16, 2023, 04:54:40 AM
We are back to that. We have been going round and round on the same disagreement. You think he can’t win the general and I think he has a better shot winning the general than any other republican. Nothing else we say to each other will convince the other if we both stick to those beliefs.
um, you both are probably correct.
Post by: Rush on August 16, 2023, 05:16:18 AM
um, you both are probably correct.
That’s a good observation.
Post by: Anthony on August 16, 2023, 05:28:14 AM
I do mean a legal, non-violent secession, revolution or civil war, metaphorically speaking.
Post by: Rush on August 16, 2023, 05:35:59 AM
At this point unless you participate in a secession, revolution or civil war you've quit. So I guess I've quit also. That's where we are.
I do mean a legal, non-violent secession, revolution or civil war, metaphorically speaking.
Absolutely. No one here advocates violence of any kind. Especially misgendering because that’s literal violence. None of us own any guns either. We are all fully vaxxed and boosted too. We are all triple masked right at this moment. All hail Dear Leader Biden!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 16, 2023, 06:24:51 AM
I can’t get past the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Christie named their son Chris.I hear you. I once dated a guy named Don whose sister was named Donna. Their father was named Don. Um, no.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 06:27:30 AM
I can’t get past the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Christie named their son Chris.
They could have named him Christopher Christian Christie. ;)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 16, 2023, 06:50:08 AM
Who’s quitting? Or rather, is it you who are throwing up your hands and quitting? Once again, it seems we have opposite premises from which our respective positions flow.Absolutely. Trump had an epic win in 2020. Our captors know the cheating has been exposed but they will use it again. You can bet they have burrowed the cheat mechanisms even deeper and wider and more cleverly to try and hide them, but they will not let go of the elections … that is their key to power. And that is where our energies must be directed.
Becky and I have the premise that the only chance to resist the leftist takeover of our government is to stay with the one person who has a track record of opposing them, and who the system demonstrates it most fears by it’s illegal and desperate attempts to stop him from running. Far from giving up, we are staying the course.
You have the premise that Trump is radioactive, that he is too damaged to win, and even if he did, he is so hated he would be blocked and hamstrung all during his term and not be able to get anything done. Other candidates can also fight the leftist takeover and more effectively than Trump, and they have a better chance of actually winning the election. You think you are the one not quitting because you have enough faith the election system still works well enough that someone not Trump can actually beat Biden.
I think we both agree there is election fraud. You think it will be worse with Trump, you might be right. My position is that I don’t know if it will be worse with Trump. I think either it will be just as bad and no R can win, or if it isn’t as bad as with Trump, that means the left doesn’t fear that candidate which means he or she is not much of a threat to them. So there is no point in supporting a candidate other than Trump.
So because of our starting premises, we each think the other is the one throwing up their hands and quitting. There is no reconciliation here until one of us changes his premise.
And by “his” I don’t mean you. I’m using the generic “mankind” pronoun which means “his or her”. I refuse to cave to woke language perversion.
To me, “giving up” is believing 2024 can be “won,” and pivoting to someone about whom I have doubts (and I’m sure Stan has some about DeSantis), in the GOP lineup, which is pretty shaky, and away from the person our captors are mercilessly and criminally seeking to destroy through spurious indictments and unrelenting attacks. They’ll do the same to RFK.
It’s such a tell. I’m advocating shouting this all from the rooftops and in every platform and in the halls of Congress. We are being conquered. That said, I also think 2024 will be unprecedented in some way, and as it says in The Fourth Turning, we are probably in the unraveling phase right now. Anything can happen and probably will. But our captors’ monomaniacal hatred of and desire to destroy Trump is the bellwether to watch.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 16, 2023, 07:07:47 AM
Christie has pulled ahead of DeSantis in NH.I repeat what Stan has as yet failed to address. DeSantis is running on “I can win the general,” but struggles to tread water in the primary.
I firmly believe that somewhere between his really excellent governorship of Florida and his entry into the presidential race, he was promised that President Trump would be taken out. Money was probably involved too.
Nothing else explains his weird insistence on slogging forward.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 07:27:45 AM
I repeat what Stan has as yet failed to address. DeSantis is running on “I can win the general,” but struggles to tread water in the primary.
I firmly believe that somewhere between his really excellent governorship of Florida and his entry into the presidential race, he was promised that President Trump would be taken out. Money was probably involved too.
Nothing else explains his weird insistence on slogging forward.
Money.
Not necessarily for him, but his backers. Presidential races require lots of money, and in that flow of money, many people come out on top. Campaigning is big business that's often overlooked.
Take a PAC (Political Action Committee). Tax exempt 527 organization. They raise money from donors, and either sponsor a candidate or work against a candidate, or do the same for a cause. These organizations have a command structure that are paid positions, and usually paid very handsomely.
The PAC can buy TV ads. Those ads require production, and also require the actual air time to be purchased. Someone has to do this, so a PAC member is in charge of production, and can have a separate company produce the ad. Don't be surprised to find out one or more of the people running the PAC also own the production company. Then someone has to buy the airtime, and again, be paid by the PAC for the purchasing.
Polling. PACS live and breath by polling. Is it any coincidence that someone in the structure of the PAC also owns or has interest in the polling company that's brought in? And polling is expensive.
Consultants, literature, small item production (hats, bumper stickers, Tshirts, etc) all cost and have to be managed. Transportation? Yep, another huge expense. Lodging? Meals? Again, all this must be managed and usually you find a connection right back to the PAC.
So the PAC is a big money machine, and the PAC "owners" are raking it in while their horse (candidate) is the selling point to the donors.
Right now one RDS PAC is looking at changing horses because the nag they are backing is failing, and the donors are withholding the money.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 07:39:29 AM
Post by: Username on August 16, 2023, 07:49:20 AM
Maybe so. But to date none of the other candidates has acted recklessly or done things that could be illegal. Trump has brought some of these upon himself because of his actions.That we know of. If Trump is out of the race you can count on the next up will be under the microscope. Surely one of them made a phone call asking someone to watch TV. BINGO! Felony!
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 07:52:32 AM
Maybe so. But to date none of the other candidates has acted recklessly or done things that could be illegal. Trump has brought some of these upon himself because of his actions.
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Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz on Trump’s Georgia indictments:
“First of all, nobody should take seriously that there was grand jury indictment. The fact that it was agrand jury indictment, it means nothing. It's the prosecutor who indicted. The best evidence of that is that it was on his website before the grand jury even voted. Now, the whole strategy of all these four casesis to get a conviction before the election, even if they're going to lose on appeal.
I used to teach my students, many of them future prosecutors, if you bring a Rico case, that increases your chances of winning a trial and losing on appeal. The same thing is true with conspiracy and other cases involving mental states. And so all four of these cases are designed to get quick convictions in jurisdictions that are heavily loaded against Donald Trump.
And these prosecutors don't care as much as prosecutors generally do about having the convictions reversed on appeal, because that will happen after the election, which only goes to prove what I've been arguing now for months. If you're going after the man who's runningagainst your incumbent president, you had darn well better have the strongest case possible. And these are among the four, at least three of them, three weakest cases I’ve ever seen against any candidate. We don't know about the fourth, but it seems like it's very much like the DC case.
And if you're going after the man running for president against your person, you have to have the strongest case. Otherwise, it becomes a banana republic. Anybody can prosecute anybody.And we're opening the door to prosecutionof Democrats by Republicans, Republicans by Democrats. It's what Alexander Hamilton wrote in The Federalist isthe most dangerous threat to democracy, and we're seeingit unfold in front of our eyes.Very, very tragically.
I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Trump supporter, but I care deeply about the Constitution.I care deeply about preserving the rule of law. And we're seeing it being fritter away for partisan political purposes.”
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From Jonathan Turley:
Welcome to the Jackson Pollock school of prosecution. The 98-page indictment from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is the legal version of Pollock’s style of throwing paint splatters on canvas as artistic expression. It basically makes every telephone call, tweets, and meeting a separate conspiratorial act.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
That we know of. If Trump is out of the race you can count on the next up will be under the microscope. Surely one of them made a phone call asking someone to watch TV. BINGO! Felony!
“SHOW ME THE MAN AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE CRIME”– Lavrentiy Beria
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Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 08:04:39 AM
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2023, 08:06:47 AM
Who’s quitting? Or rather, is it you who are throwing up your hands and quitting? Once again, it seems we have opposite premises from which our respective positions flow.I was responding directly to Becky’s post where she’s inferring that I’m naive that any Republican can win. Add to that the common retort that I’ve been getting from Becky and Lucifer in particular where their response to my support for someone other than Trump is illusory because fraud hasn’t been fixed so the GOP can’t ever win anyway. That’s throwing up your hands and quitting in my book.
Becky and I have the premise that the only chance to resist the leftist takeover of our government is to stay with the one person who has a track record of opposing them, and who the system demonstrates it most fears by it’s illegal and desperate attempts to stop him from running. Far from giving up, we are staying the course.
You have the premise that Trump is radioactive, that he is too damaged to win, and even if he did, he is so hated he would be blocked and hamstrung all during his term and not be able to get anything done. Other candidates can also fight the leftist takeover and more effectively than Trump, and they have a better chance of actually winning the election. You think you are the one not quitting because you have enough faith the election system still works well enough that someone not Trump can actually beat Biden.
I think we both agree there is election fraud. You think it will be worse with Trump, you might be right. My position is that I don’t know if it will be worse with Trump. I think either it will be just as bad and no R can win, or if it isn’t as bad as with Trump, that means the left doesn’t fear that candidate which means he or she is not much of a threat to them. So there is no point in supporting a candidate other than Trump.
So because of our starting premises, we each think the other is the one throwing up their hands and quitting. There is no reconciliation here until one of us changes his premise.
And by “his” I don’t mean you. I’m using the generic “mankind” pronoun which means “his or her”. I refuse to cave to woke language perversion.
On Milwaukee’s conservative talk radio show this morning, a caller told the host that Trump’s nomination is inevitable, and likened it to an avalanche in that you can’t stop it.
The host’s response is that the first thing you should do in an avalanche is GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Maybe it was a poor analogy on the caller’s part, but it seems consistent with the fervor of many people backing Trump, who aren’t objectively seeing the extreme challenges for him to ever win a general election.
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2023, 08:08:09 AM
Absolutely. No one here advocates violence of any kind. Especially misgendering because that’s literal violence. None of us own any guns either. We are all fully vaxxed and boosted too. We are all triple masked right at this moment. All hail Dear Leader Biden!Here here!
Post by: Rush on August 16, 2023, 08:38:29 AM
I was responding directly to Becky’s post where she’s inferring that I’m naive that any Republican can win. Add to that the common retort that I’ve been getting from Becky and Lucifer in particular where their response to my support for someone other than Trump is illusory because fraud hasn’t been fixed so the GOP can’t ever win anyway. That’s throwing up your hands and quitting in my book.
On Milwaukee’s conservative talk radio show this morning, a caller told the host that Trump’s nomination is inevitable, and likened it to an avalanche in that you can’t stop it.
The host’s response is that the first thing you should do in an avalanche is GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Maybe it was a poor analogy on the caller’s part, but it seems consistent with the fervor of many people backing Trump, who aren’t objectively seeing the extreme challenges for him to ever win a general election.
Okay, I hear that you think Becky and Lucifer are a little bit black pilled. No R can win so we might as well back Trump just to make a statement. Even if we switched to backing DeSantis and his polls magically rise above Trump’s (a statistical impossibility unless Trump dies) there’s no way DeSantis or any other R can win so no point in switching support to anyone other than Trump. (Sez Becky and Lucifer, according to you.)
I can see how you see that as quitting. As refusing to consider taking a different pathway to winning besides Trump. Although personally I’m thinking that they’re thinking that although it’s most likely no R can win, Trump still has the least unlikely chance, and so he’s still our best chance, however tiny.
I am not able to analyze exactly why I think Trump has the best chance in the general over another R other than just his huge lead in the polls. I realize the primary polls don’t speak to the general, but they do reveal a pervasive lack of enthusiasm for any of the other contenders. I don’t see any pathway to change that, not even if Trump is blocked from running or dies. Each one has some kind of appeal but each one has failed to generate much of a core following and none of them have protested strongly about the blatant organized election interference currently being carried out by tying Trump up in precisely timed court cases to hurt his campaigning. Now of course why would they? They’re running against Trump. Why would they support him? Because if they don’t, they lose Trump’s base if Trump ends up not running for whatever reason. Oh some of Trump’s base may grudgingly vote for whatever R, but I don’t believe enough will to beat Biden, and we need all of them if there’s any chance of overwhelming the cheating.
That is the extent of my thought. Here is a much better analysis if you care to listen. I don’t necessarily think he’s right, he has been wrong before. He missed the midterms by a good margin, didn’t predict how Mitch McConnell screwed the red tsunami. But I have trouble disputing any of his points in this video and I’m curious if you do.
https://rumble.com/v381w1m-hey-desantis-fans...-trump-is-your-only-chance-at-this-point.html
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
I don’t disagree with any of that. I heard both guys’ quotes on the radio this morning.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 16, 2023, 08:50:11 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1691812817798566281That's an old video, but good idea of Citizen Free Press to repost it after the latest Trump indictments.
The VoterGA case against Fulton County that would allow physical examination of the mail-in ballots is still going on after all these years. I believe the current delay is a request by VoterGA to have the case reassigned to another judge who they say has shown bias.
Post by: Number7 on August 16, 2023, 08:54:06 AM
Be honest with yourselves... I know that's hard for rinos, but try.
Ron DeSantis was well up in the early polls and faded faster than howard dean.
Herman Cain looked built for the long haul in 2012 right up until the fucking communist press realized he had a chance to beat that fucking obama.
Donald Trump won because he FOUGHT BACK, instead of cowering and imitating that fucking romney in the 2012 debates.
none of the current crop has a chance to take the fight to those fucking communist slaves of democrat fuckwad party.
They will fold like a cheap tent and look weak and pathetic doing it.
It's weakness and blindness that keeps rinos and other types of pussies thinking anyone but Trump can fight back hard enough to stay the course and win.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 09:05:07 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 16, 2023, 09:14:07 AM
That rinos and other types of pussies feel the need to dignify that bullshit is typical of the weak minds and cowardice of the mushy middle.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 16, 2023, 09:30:20 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1690884152856326145 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1690884152856326145)
Vivek is good at getting a message across.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 10:17:10 AM
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” It’s Not Left Vs Right Anymore, it’s Anti-Establishment Versus Pro-Establishment.” — Glenn Greenwald
Post by: Little Joe on August 16, 2023, 10:24:31 AM
Vivek is good at getting a message across.I agree. So far I have not seen anything about Vivek that I don't like, except perhaps his last name. But that's not being racist. I just don't like long names and his is borderline too long.
I could easily support him over RDS or DJT and I look forward to watching him in the debates, and then listening to the MSM go into panic mode.
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2023, 12:06:17 PM
Okay, I hear that you think Becky and Lucifer are a little bit black pilled. No R can win so we might as well back Trump just to make a statement. Even if we switched to backing DeSantis and his polls magically rise above Trump’s (a statistical impossibility unless Trump dies) there’s no way DeSantis or any other R can win so no point in switching support to anyone other than Trump. (Sez Becky and Lucifer, according to you.)I think that is the difference between our two camps.
I can see how you see that as quitting. As refusing to consider taking a different pathway to winning besides Trump. Although personally I’m thinking that they’re thinking that although it’s most likely no R can win, Trump still has the least unlikely chance, and so he’s still our best chance, however tiny.
I am not able to analyze exactly why I think Trump has the best chance in the general over another R other than just his huge lead in the polls. I realize the primary polls don’t speak to the general, but they do reveal a pervasive lack of enthusiasm for any of the other contenders. I don’t see any pathway to change that, not even if Trump is blocked from running or dies. Each one has some kind of appeal but each one has failed to generate much of a core following and none of them have protested strongly about the blatant organized election interference currently being carried out by tying Trump up in precisely timed court cases to hurt his campaigning. Now of course why would they? They’re running against Trump. Why would they support him? Because if they don’t, they lose Trump’s base if Trump ends up not running for whatever reason. Oh some of Trump’s base may grudgingly vote for whatever R, but I don’t believe enough will to beat Biden, and we need all of them if there’s any chance of overwhelming the cheating.
That is the extent of my thought. Here is a much better analysis if you care to listen. I don’t necessarily think he’s right, he has been wrong before. He missed the midterms by a good margin, didn’t predict how Mitch McConnell screwed the red tsunami. But I have trouble disputing any of his points in this video and I’m curious if you do.
https://rumble.com/v381w1m-hey-desantis-fans...-trump-is-your-only-chance-at-this-point.html
Without question I (and people who think like me and want a candidate who can be more successful in the general election) would campaign for and vote for Trump if he won the nomination. There’s literally no other choice.
I don’t believe half the current Trump fanatics would do the same. They would rather sulk in their defeat and ensure the election of Biden or Kammy than support the candidate who ran against Trump.
I think that’s pathetic and psychotic.
Post by: nddons on August 16, 2023, 12:21:17 PM
I agree. So far I have not seen anything about Vivek that I don't like, except perhaps his last name. But that's not being racist. I just don't like long names and his is borderline too long.Now that will be entertainment.
I could easily support him over RDS or DJT and I look forward to watching him in the debates, and then listening to the MSM go into panic mode.
I agree about Vivek. The only concerns I have is his age and his length of time as a conservative.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 16, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
https://gab.com/UngaTheGreat/posts/110899962561083364
Post by: Number7 on August 16, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2023, 01:40:41 PM
Post by: Anthony on August 16, 2023, 04:47:04 PM
I think that is the difference between our two camps.
Without question I (and people who think like me and want a candidate who can be more successful in the general election) would campaign for and vote for Trump if he won the nomination. There’s literally no other choice.
I don’t believe half the current Trump fanatics would do the same. They would rather sulk in their defeat and ensure the election of Biden or Kammy than support the candidate who ran against Trump.
I think that’s pathetic and psychotic.
The only thing I believe is pathetic and psychotic is believing we have fair elections now. C'mon Man!
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 17, 2023, 06:01:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gMUVCIn.jpg)The misleading thing about that meme is that in real life, RDS has his back turned while Trump is attacking.
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/15/florida-gov-ron-desantis-responds-to-donald-trumps-fourth-indictment/70596382007/
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'Criminalization of politics': DeSantis defends Trump again after fourth indictment
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ron-desantis-cnn-interview-defends-trump-1234791062/
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DeSantis Goes on CNN to . . . Defend Trump
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 06:06:49 AM
The misleading thing about that meme is that in real life, RDS has his back turned while Trump is attacking.
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/15/florida-gov-ron-desantis-responds-to-donald-trumps-fourth-indictment/70596382007/
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ron-desantis-cnn-interview-defends-trump-1234791062/
To be more precise, it should have the establishment republicans surrounding RDS with knives drawn. ;)
Post by: Little Joe on August 17, 2023, 06:20:08 AM
To be more precise, it should have the establishment republicans surrounding RDS with knives drawn. ;)
Yeahbut,
The establishment also has their knives aimed at DTS.
I thought you said the establishment Rs are backing RDS.
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 06:27:55 AM
Yeahbut,
The establishment also has their knives aimed at DTS.
I thought you said the establishment Rs are backing RDS.
You're not keeping up.
ICYMI, the big establishment donors are now withholding their support (money) from RDS because his campaign is faltering. One of his largest PACs is looking at jumping ship and trying to get Glen Youngkin to run.
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 06:36:20 AM
Post by: Rush on August 17, 2023, 06:38:10 AM
You're not keeping up.
ICYMI, the big establishment donors are now withholding their support (money) from RDS because his campaign is faltering. One of his largest PACs is looking at jumping ship and trying to get Glen Youngkin to run.
It is true the meme is 5 minutes out of date. Things change fast. A lot can happen between now and next year.
Wait… next year is almost here. It’s the end of August now which means it’s essentially September which means Halloween is right around the corner and then Thanksgiving rushes upon us and from there it’s all over, you might as well usher in the New Year.
Post by: Rush on August 17, 2023, 06:38:31 AM
Hey! I was just about to post that!
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 06:57:48 AM
It is true the meme is 5 minutes out of date. Things change fast. A lot can happen between now and next year.
Wait… next year is almost here. It’s the end of August now which means it’s essentially September which means Halloween is right around the corner and then Thanksgiving rushes upon us and from there it’s all over, you might as well usher in the New Year.
RDS is finding out the hard way what happens when one aligns themselves with a party that doesn't share the same interest. His missteps will cost him the 2024 nomination and may keep him out of 2028.
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 08:28:23 AM
Post by: Rush on August 17, 2023, 08:31:13 AM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1692140619366305819?s=43&t=JWY3j7AuDVX51NKcLNsL0A
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!
Post by: Bamaflyer on August 17, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1692140619366305819?s=43&t=JWY3j7AuDVX51NKcLNsL0A
Well they do suck!
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 03:22:38 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2023, 03:52:30 PM
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The New York Times unearthed what it said was a debate strategy document prepared by an outside political group supporting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), suggesting that he should defend former President Donald Trump and “hammer” rival Vivek Ramaswamy in the first Republican presidential primary debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, next week.
The Times reported that the document was posted online by a firm working with a DeSantis super PAC, Never Back Down. Super PACs can raise money to spend on behalf of candidates but they are restricted in their ability to work directly with campaigns.
The Times reported:
A firm associated with the super PAC that has effectively taken over Mr. DeSantis’s presidential campaign posted online hundreds of pages of blunt advice, research memos and internal polling in early nominating states to guide the Florida governor ahead of the high-stakes Republican presidential debate next Wednesday in Milwaukee.
…
“There are four basic must-dos,” one of the memos urges Mr. DeSantis, whom the document refers to as “GRD.”
“1. Attack Joe Biden and the media 3-5 times. 2. State GRD’s positive vision 2-3 times. 3. Hammer Vivek Ramaswamy in a response. 4. Defend Donald Trump in absentia in response to a Chris Christie attack.”
Ramaswamy recently overtook DeSantis for second place in a Kaplan Strategies poll; he is third but rising in the RealClearPolitics polling average.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 17, 2023, 06:01:56 PM
Excellent! He’s right.
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 07:05:08 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 07:11:43 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 18, 2023, 07:45:53 AM
I'm 7.5 minutes into that video and all I can say is:
Fuck RDS,
Fuck DJT,
VGR is my man.
I can't wait to get back to listen to the rest of it.
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 07:51:11 AM
I'm 7.5 minutes into that video and all I can say is:
Fuck RDS,
Fuck DJT,
VGR is my man.
I can't wait to get back to listen to the rest of it.
Vivek is a smart guy. He's still new at politics, and he will step in some gopher holes along the way, but he has a good future if we don't lose our country.
BTW, in the latest RDS gaffe, this is why his debate notes say "attack Vivek". Once Vivek gets more national attention, he will suck away the support of others.
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 08:00:49 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 18, 2023, 08:01:41 AM
Vivek is a smart guy. He's still new at politics, and he will step in some gopher holes along the way,So was Trump (new at politics) in 2016.
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 08:10:50 AM
So was Trump (new at politics) in 2016.
Yep (2015 actually)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 18, 2023, 09:18:40 AM
Really enjoyed this interview. Lots of interesting stuff there.
Post by: Anthony on August 18, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
Really enjoyed this interview. Lots of interesting stuff there.
Tucker is probably the best right now.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 19, 2023, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3644)
Oh, now ya done gone and did it! LOL!
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 05:31:44 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-trump-supporters-listless-212000245.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM03tRS790fs-do7PgkWXPfT_DPQSpzrYxGO5f7_7lJ3w86dLLWJkZ9ETici6r1GUGsXzOV7aNhwLuLXOTCEpVbHR42azWlQ2jTDdRJ0N1f4MBEUj6emlcbgoHq3jPlzzQqO5wDsviR8bmviPbpYLj-pOtM-lltHD4Aowac6DJJ0
https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1692885189792350500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1692885189792350500%7Ctwgr%5Ed4bd0185dbe0e8a0ff4fa8ce20a51e37681db2dd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fheavy.com%2Fnews%2Fron-desantis-listless-vessels-video%2F
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ORLANDO, Fla. — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis suggested that supporters of Donald Trump’s reelection are “listless vessels,” a comment that drew a quick demand for an apology by the former president’s camp.
“If all we are is listless vessels that are just supposed to follow, you know, whatever happens to come down the pike on Truth Social every morning, that’s not going to be a durable movement,” DeSantis said in a taped interview with the conservative website The Florida Standard.
“Ultimately, a movement can’t be about the personality of one individual,” DeSantis continued. “The movement has got to be about what are you trying to achieve on behalf of the American people.”
Truth Social, a website founded by Trump, is where the ex-president posts on social media daily.
The comment, first reported Saturday by Florida Politics, drew a comparison to Hillary Clinton’s critical remarks about Trump supporters in 2016.
“To Hillary Clinton, Trump supporters are ‘deplorables,'” said Karoline Leavitt, spokeswoman for Make America Great Again Inc. “To Ron DeSantis, they are ‘listless vessels.’ The truth is, Trump supporters are patriots. … DeSantis must immediately apologize for his disgraceful insult.”
DeSantis made perhaps his strongest criticism yet of Trump after the reporter for The Florida Standard asked him why Trump supporters accuse him of being a RINO, which stands for Republican in name only.
“We have a strain in our party that views supporting Trump as whether you are a RINO or not. And so you could be the most conservative person since sliced bread [and] unless you’re kissing his rear end, they will somehow call you a RINO,” DeSantis said.
Even Democrats took some sarcastic swings at DeSantis for the remark.
“In his latest reboot, Ron DeSantis attacks Trump supporters in the hopes of winning their support,” former state Rep. Carlos Guillermo Smith of Orlando posted on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Heading into Wednesday’s first GOP presidential debate, the Florida governor’s campaign has struggled, even slipping into third place in some polling for the early GOP primary states. Trump, however, has reportedly decided he won’t take part in the debate.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 19, 2023, 06:15:07 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 06:18:21 PM
Do you think a percentage of Trump supporters will swing to another candidate because he's not doing the debate?
My opinion is the debate is worthless, and most people know it. Other than some cheap entertainment value, the debate won’t change a thing.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 19, 2023, 06:36:55 PM
Post by: Rush on August 19, 2023, 07:09:45 PM
So now RDS has decided to attack Trump supporters??
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-calls-trump-supporters-listless-212000245.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM03tRS790fs-do7PgkWXPfT_DPQSpzrYxGO5f7_7lJ3w86dLLWJkZ9ETici6r1GUGsXzOV7aNhwLuLXOTCEpVbHR42azWlQ2jTDdRJ0N1f4MBEUj6emlcbgoHq3jPlzzQqO5wDsviR8bmviPbpYLj-pOtM-lltHD4Aowac6DJJ0
https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1692885189792350500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1692885189792350500%7Ctwgr%5Ed4bd0185dbe0e8a0ff4fa8ce20a51e37681db2dd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fheavy.com%2Fnews%2Fron-desantis-listless-vessels-video%2F
“Ultimately, a movement can’t be about the personality of one individual,” sez Desantis.
What is wrong with people who think we like Trump because of his personality? DeSantis doesn’t get it, at all.
Do I have to say it again? It was the low gas prices! World peace! Booming economy!
TF is wrong with him. He’s watching too much CNN or something. “Listless vessel”. Gawd.
Post by: Number7 on August 19, 2023, 07:21:45 PM
Do you think a percentage of Trump supporters will swing to another candidate because he's not doing the debate?
Nope.
But a LOT will watch the President ontwitter instead of the paul ryan bullshit fest on fox.
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 07:23:06 PM
“Ultimately, a movement can’t be about the personality of one individual,” sez Desantis.
What is wrong with people who think we like Trump because of his personality? DeSantis doesn’t get it, at all.
Do I have to say it again? It was the low gas prices! World peace! Booming economy!
TF is wrong with him. He’s watching too much CNN or something. “Listless vessel”. Gawd.
His campaign is imploding. This latest move is desperation, and whoever advised him needs to be gone quickly.
On the other hand, his biggest PAC wants to dump him and move to Youngkin. Maybe, just maybe they gave the advice?
Like I stated some time ago, he should have been more careful of who he was getting in bed with.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 19, 2023, 08:13:50 PM
My opinion is the debate is worthless, and most people know it. Other than some cheap entertainment value, the debate won’t change a thing.My opinion was that in primary elections any venue that gets a candidate in front of an audience can't hurt them and may help. I went looking for articles or studies and found several, this one seemed to confirm your opinion:
Some snippets from https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/do-tv-debates-sway-voters (https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/do-tv-debates-sway-voters):
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- A large fraction of voters change their minds during the campaign.The percentage of voters who had settled on a candidate rose by 15 percentage points, from 72 percent to 87 percent, during the two months before an election, indicating that the information received in this period matters overall.
- Voters who switched candidates didn’t change their policy preferences. Voters’ policy views remained consistent, despite the onslaught of campaign ads and social media posts. Those who voted for a candidate other than the one they originally planned did so only when new information emerged about the candidates or new issues gained salience during the campaign.
- Debates didn’t shift elections’ outcomes. High-profile TV debates didn’t increase the fraction of voters who had settled on a candidate nor the candidates’ vote shares. This suggests that voters who shift to another candidate are influenced by other types of information, such as media coverage of the campaign or personal discussions.
Even in a high tech world, the best place to change the minds of voters, especially disenchanted voters, is on their doorsteps, Pons says.
Voters who dismiss the canned responses of a well-groomed candidate might listen to an activist from the same town or a similar background. And the fact that these canvassers tend to be unpaid volunteers makes these conversations even more meaningful.
“The discussions that voters and canvassers have on doorsteps are very personal,” says Pons, whose past research found that even a five-minute conversation (https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/why-people-don-t-vote-and-8212-and-how-a-good-ground-game-helps) can convince a voter to support a different candidate. “They’re a very effective way to mobilize nonvoters and persuade those who are undecided.”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 20, 2023, 04:35:47 AM
“Ultimately, a movement can’t be about the personality of one individual,” sez Desantis.All promise low gas prices, world peace, booming economy. Few deliver.
What is wrong with people who think we like Trump because of his personality? DeSantis doesn’t get it, at all.
Do I have to say it again? It was the low gas prices! World peace! Booming economy!
TF is wrong with him. He’s watching too much CNN or something. “Listless vessel”. Gawd.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/044e9b3b-e83f-4291-a26b-2467146560e1
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 20, 2023, 05:11:15 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3648)
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 05:38:49 AM
My opinion was that in primary elections any venue that gets a candidate in front of an audience can't hurt them and may help. I went looking for articles or studies and found several, this one seemed to confirm your opinion:
Some snippets from https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/do-tv-debates-sway-voters (https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/do-tv-debates-sway-voters):
The problem with debates in today's world is we end up with shit shows such as FoxNews, where underlies a strategy by the organization putting on the debate to favor one candidate over another. The infamous debate between Trump and Biden that was hosted by Chris Wallace was a perfect example.
If one could have a setting in a neutral area, and moderated by a truly impartial individual, and no coaching the candidate by giving them the questions ahead of time, it may be interesting.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 20, 2023, 05:50:43 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 05:54:20 AM
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A FOX News panel piled on Governor DeSantis after he accused Trump supporters of being “listless vessels” during a recent interview.
The panel even compared the governor’s comments to Hillary Clinton’s “deplorable” moment. That’s how bad it was.
Charlie Hurt: It’s so frustrating because Ron DeSantis has such a tremendous record to run on. There’s so much promise for him, but he is really failing. Like, we have seen few politicians with so much going in their direction fail as badly as he is failing. He’s not very good at politics. It’s appearing. And the biggest tell is when you go after the voters that you’re supposed to win over and you attack them and you mock them.
Tommy Lahren: Moving forward on this DeSantis comment, it was not a good comment to make, and I’m sure he is kicking himself, and I’m sure he wishes he could rephrase it. Now, what I heard him say is maybe a kernel of the truth. And I’ll tell you what I believe he was trying to get across, and he failed at it. I think what he was trying to say is this I am not a RINO simply because I am running against Donald Trump. I think that’s what he wanted to say and I think further what he wanted to say where he messed up horribly with the listless vessels comment and it rings like a deplorable. Is what he should have said is listen, I understand that you follow Trump because you love him and you love his policies and you see what’s going on with him and you see the indictments and the sham and the witch hunt. However, we need to look beyond that and just what we’re talking about with all of the circus of chaos and indictments and understand that we as a movement have to be durable. We have to live beyond Donald Trump, and we have to have the America First policies be our bedrock.
Raymond Arroyo: The fact is, when you’re 40% down on the other guy’s movement, you need chunks of that movement to be competitive and to win by alienating them this way. Basically, what Ron DeSantis has done here and Charlie, you’re right. Incredible record, incredible family, a smart guy. Let’s say that as a precursor. But to consign yourself to Chris Christieville this early in the race I think is a very bad move.
This was a bad day for Governor Ron DeSantis.
Post by: Little Joe on August 20, 2023, 06:26:53 AM
IMHO, he is a much better governor than he is a speaker or debater.
And I think he would be a great President, but I doubt he will get the chance.
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 06:33:11 AM
I agree that RDS has probably blown his chances.
IMHO, he is a much better governor than he is a speaker or debater.
And I think he would be a great President, but I doubt he will get the chance.
Maybe so. He might be a good leader but he needs a lot of work on packaging it and selling himself.
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 06:45:38 AM
Maybe so. He might be a good leader but he needs a lot of work on packaging it and selling himself.
Agreed. Coming off of a huge win in Florida gave him and his backers too much confidence. His win in Florida was the result of Florida cleaning up their elections and he was running against a very unpopular former Governor. This does not translate to the national stage.
This will now open the door for Youngkin to jump in. RDS will continue to falter, and if his PAC abandons him he's out. Vivek will continue rising in the polls.
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 07:01:19 AM
Agreed. Coming off of a huge win in Florida gave him and his backers too much confidence. His win in Florida was the result of Florida cleaning up their elections and he was running against a very unpopular former Governor. This does not translate to the national stage.
This will now open the door for Youngkin to jump in. RDS will continue to falter, and if his PAC abandons him he's out. Vivek will continue rising in the polls.
I think you nailed it. He had a big blind spot with his win that made him jump the gun and get into the 2024 race like a poker player who wins one hand and thinks he is "on a roll" when so many of us from the outside saw from the beginning it was a big mistake. He needed to cook a while longer and go for 2028 with more experience under his belt, and having learned from observing others. He's made too many rookie mistakes. The "listless vessel" comment has probably sealed his fate. Not sure if he can ever recover his career as far as the national stage. MAGA will never forgive him and MAGA is essentially a third party now, and a major one unlike the Libertarian or Green, etc. GOP will never win again without the MAGA faction. In his defense, you have to be able to think fast on your feet not to make mistakes like that and he's not alone. Few people can pull it off which is why not everyone can be president. That's another lie your kindergarten teacher told you.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 20, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 07:05:52 AM
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If you understand the war inside the machine {GO DEEP} then this move by President Trump will make a lot more sense.
Going all the way back to 2016, the #1 value to the RNC from the candidacy of Donald Trump has always been the supporter data, the donor files and data of the people who support Donald Trump. This data floored Reince Priebus in 2016, because the RNC had never before seen such a scale of grassroots donor support in the history of the organization.
The RNC administrative leadership were floored when the data-sharing requirement forced Trump’s team to turn over the data right before the GOP convention. It was so far beyond the scale of what they had ever seen before, they could not believe it. Millions and millions of new first-time names. The core of middle-class America.
Data are people. MAGA people. Lots of them. More than the RNC has ever known.
Right now, the corporate club known as the RNC is as much the enemy as the Biden DOJ. Readers here know exactly what I am talking about, and there is no need to rehash all the facets and examples. The battle inside the RNC is between the billionaire Wall Street club who controls it, and the MAGA voting base who operate within it.
President Trump snubbing the RNC debate in Wisconsin is a direct shot against the RNC as a private corporation. An RNC club that is covertly in alignment with the DNC, another private corporation funded by the same Wall Street billionaires. The RNC is now going to justify the next attacks against Trump by pointing out his non-compliance with the debate.
The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an “official seal of approval” which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump’s affiliation and essentially hostage status.
In essence, the RNC cannot exploit the MAGA brand for RNC/MAGA endorsement, and or use the donor data files, without the Trump “seal of approval.” The data becomes worthless, because without the Trump seal any request is ignored. Additionally, without the seal any RNC candidate is ignored. This creates leverage. This is how the insurgency forces the compliance of the GOPe. At least that appears to be the goal from Donald Trump.
If the RNC, or any vendor or candidate they have sold the files to, including any candidate who runs but does not align with Trump, attempts to exploit the files without the Trump seal of approval, the fracture between Trump and the RNC becomes openly visible.
It is not coincidental this ‘Seal of Approval’ is announced after the debate decision was made public.
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President Trump’s endorsement power is the most powerful force in American politics. His influence is election defining. When President Trump posts an endorsement on Truth Social, or a candidate onstage before tens of thousands of voters, America First patriots rally behind President Trump’s choice and deliver a decisive victory.
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Candidates and committees authorized to use the Seal shall be permitted, and indeed encouraged, to use the Seal in connection with their activities on social media, in paid advertising, and on merchandise.
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Post by: Number7 on August 20, 2023, 07:36:22 AM
I agree that RDS has probably blown his chances.
IMHO, he is a much better governor than he is a speaker or debater.
And I think he would be a great President, but I doubt he will get the chance.
He is (so far) a truly GREAT Governor, but so was Jeb Bush.
It looks like Ron DeSantis will disappear the same way Jeb did.
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 07:44:56 AM
He is (so far) a truly GREAT Governor, but so was Jeb Bush.
It looks like Ron DeSantis will disappear the same way Jeb did.
And that's how it goes. There have been several really good governors that jumped into presidential politics and flamed out.
National elections are entirely different that state elections. Honestly I think that's why Youngkin has hesitated on getting in, he realizes this.
Post by: Number7 on August 20, 2023, 08:05:30 AM
With him running to win back the White House from the fucking communist scum democrats, DeSantis can’t really gain any significant traction.
He is now weakened enough to lose to whatever fraud the communist party (democrats) send out.
President Trump has to win the primaries because no o e else has a chance of overcoming the fucking Demi rats and their fraud machine.
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 08:12:26 AM
If he fucking communist democrats hadn’t conspired to steal the government President Trump would be completing his legitimately won the election.
With him running to win back the White House from the fucking communist scum democrats, DeSantis can’t really gain any significant traction.
He is now weakened enough to lose to whatever fraud the communist party (democrats) send out.
President Trump has to win the primaries because no o e else has a chance of overcoming the fucking Demi rats and their fraud machine.
The democrat communist are running a game of attrition. They are well on their way of taking out Trump, RDS has basically destroyed his campaign. Look for an all out attack on Vivek soon.
On the democrat side they have stepped up attacks on RFK,Jr. Today the Daily Mail has a hit piece labeling him a "Nutjob" and smearing him.
Back to the republican side, the establishment types are comfortable with all of this, and foolishly believing this will somehow elevate their numbers.
In the end, this election comes down to Establishment vs non Establishment.
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
He is (so far) a truly GREAT Governor, but so was Jeb Bush.
It looks like Ron DeSantis will disappear the same way Jeb did.
And that's how it goes. There have been several really good governors that jumped into presidential politics and flamed out.
National elections are entirely different that state elections. Honestly I think that's why Youngkin has hesitated on getting in, he realizes this.
The Peter Principle. Don't try to go above the level of your best competence.
Post by: jb1842 on August 20, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
The Peter Principle. Don't try to go above the level of your best competence.
The government is proof that the peter principle goes out the window when promoting the most qualified.
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 05:32:34 PM
The government is proof that the peter principle goes out the window when promoting the most qualified.
ANY consideration of qualification or competence is out the window now. You are hired for your diversity traits. The more the better. It's mandatory you be in a same sex relationship or not know what your sex actually is and preferably be black unless you are a black Republican.
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 05:26:29 AM
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Rupert Murdoch 'has personally asked Virginia's GOP Governor Glenn Youngkin to jump into the 2024 presidential race' as media tycoon's faith in Ron DeSantis wanes
Media mogul Rupert Murdoch met Virginia's Republican governor Glenn Youngkin twice to personally encourage him to start a White House run.
The 92-year-old Australian tycoon met with the rising GOP player, who only took Virginia's top political office in 2021, at least twice this year, according to several sources who spoke to the Washington Post.
The date of the first meeting was unclear, while the second took place in the spring.
The revelation of the meetings comes after it was previously reported that Murdoch had privately told his close circle that he wanted to see Virginia's 74th governor throw his hat in the ring.
Youngkin, a former private-equity executive at the Carlyle group, has kept quiet about his ambitions for high office this year, and said in May that he was not planning on running 'this year.'
But Axios reported that if he does announce his 2024 presidential bid, he will only do so if the Republic party win in Virginia's Senate race in November.
The outlet also reported that Murdoch isn't the only moneyed man who is set to support Youngkin, claiming that two billionaires, Ronald Lauder and Thomas Peterffy, are among GOP donors who want to back his potential presidential bid.
While Murdoch's meetings with Youngkin took place earlier this year, and Youngkin still has not announced a 2024 presidential bid, their revelation comes as Murdoch's support for Florida's 46th governor Ron DeSantis' campaign slips.
Post by: Rush on August 21, 2023, 05:40:35 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12428067/Rupert-Murdoch-personally-asked-Virginias-GOP-Governor-Glenn-Youngkin-jump-2024-presidential-race-media-tycoons-faith-Ron-DeSantis-wanes.html
They are really hoping Trump gets disqualified somehow. By “they” I mean the media tycoons, RNC and the rest of the establishment.
They want to completely control who gets the R nomination. I guess they want Youngkin to play ball. He would be crazy to. He needs to ride this out. Are we not seeing what’s happening to DeSantis? Do we all imagine Youngkin is ready for prime time? I seriously doubt it. The uniparty doesn’t actually want any R to win but if one happens to, they want to control him.
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 06:07:55 AM
They are really hoping Trump gets disqualified somehow. By “they” I mean the media tycoons, RNC and the rest of the establishment.
They want to completely control who gets the R nomination. I guess they want Youngkin to play ball. He would be crazy to. He needs to ride this out. Are we not seeing what’s happening to DeSantis? Do we all imagine Youngkin is ready for prime time? I seriously doubt it. The uniparty doesn’t actually want any R to win but if one happens to, they want to control him.
Bingo. Controlled opposition.
And let me add, the establishment types running the campaign operations in the background want the huge payoff, so they need a candidate that will get the donor money flowing. RDS is drying up their donor money river, hence why they need a new horse.
IMO, I don't think Youngkin will do it.
But Youngkin must walk a tightrope and not piss off the establishment if he wants to remain in politics.
Who knows, maybe there's another Bush in the background they can trot out. I hear Jeb! isn't doing much these days. There's also George P in Texas.
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 07:05:16 AM
Listless vessel attacks ‘listless vessels’
Ron DeSantis needs to learn how to connect with Republican voters
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On the spectrum of things that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is good at, politics apparently is not one of them.
When Hillary Clinton was struggling to beat Donald Trump in 2016, she famously attacked his voters.
“You could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables — the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it,” she said.
In an interview Friday, Mr. DeSantis offered his own description for Mrs. Clinton’s basket of deplorables.
“We have a strand in our party that views supporting Trump as whether you are a RINO or not,” he said, using the common epithet for fake conservatives: “Republican In Name Only.”
“And so, you could be the most conservative person since sliced bread — unless you are kissing his rear end, they will call you a RINO,” Mr. DeSantis complained. “If you’re not rooted in principle — if all we are is listless vessels who follow whatever comes down the pike on Truth Social every morning — that’s not going to be a durable movement.”
Using a naval term for a disabled ship, Mr. DeSantis attacked Trump supporters as stupid, boot-licking suck-ups who cannot think for themselves. They are “listless vessels” who only repeat whatever they read on Truth Social and attack true conservatives — presumably, he is talking about himself here — as RINOs for not falling in line.
DeSantis campaign operatives later clarified that Mr. DeSantis was referring only to members of Congress who support Mr. Trump — not regular voters.
But regardless, in politics, if you are explaining, you are losing. And in terms of political malfeasance, Mr. DeSantis’ attack on Trump supporters is worse than Mrs. Clinton’s.
In the first place, Mr. DeSantis needs to win over these unthinking “listless vessels” if he wants to win the nomination. Attacking them as stupid, thoughtless slugs does not help.
Second, Mrs. Clinton got caught trashing Trump supporters while speaking at a private fundraiser and immediately walked back the comments. Mr. DeSantis made the remarks in a taped interview.
On the record.
Internal documents obtained last week by the New York Times revealed panicked DeSantis consultants advising Mr. DeSantis to start showing emotion. Not sure this is the best way to do that.
Mr. DeSantis has a tremendous record — both politically and in terms of conservative accomplishments in Florida. But from the moment he launched his campaign — inexplicably, on Twitter of all places! — he campaigns like he is trying to win the endorsement of National Review magazine.
But, boy, is he doing a terrible job convincing Republican voters outside of his home state that he has the guts, smarts and political savvy to inherit the America First political movement started by Mr. Trump.
A new poll out Saturday shows an 11 percentage-point collapse in Mr. DeSantis’ support among Republican voters over the past two months. He is now tied at 10% with a surging Vivek Ramaswamy. Both men trail Mr. Trump in the poll by 46 points.
Mr. DeSantis’ highest level of support in that poll — at 29% support among Republican voters — was registered back in January, months before he got into the race. Since he announced — again, on Twitter! — it’s been all downhill for him.
Talk about a “listless vessel.”
A very simple rule of thumb in politics while running for public office is to never talk about political mechanics. If you are a candidate and you find yourself playing political strategist in public, then you are pretty much doomed.
The reason Mr. Ramaswamy is surging is because he is always talking about his positive vision for the country. Mr. Trump is a ferocious fighter — but he is always fighting in the name of a clear, positive vision for the country.
It’s like Mr. DeSantis is stuck at nerd camp for politics, trying to check all these boxes about RINOs, listless vessels and sliced bread.
Show some emotion, Ron! So, he fat-shames a kid eating ice cream in Iowa.
“What is that? An Icee? That’s probably a lot of sugar, huh?” he says before moving to the next small human to insult.
If Mr. DeSantis wants a future in national politics, he needs to learn how to connect with voters — not attack them. So far, the only thing Mr. DeSantis has done is reminded everyone that he never would have become governor of Florida in 2018 if Mr. Trump hadn’t endorsed him and campaigned for him.
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 11:04:42 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 21, 2023, 11:12:36 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2Faug%2F20%2Flistless-vessel-attacks-listless-vessels%2FFrom the quote:
Listless vessel attacks ‘listless vessels’
Ron DeSantis needs to learn how to connect with Republican voters
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On the spectrum of things that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is good at, politics apparently is not one of them.At first I was going to disagree with this statement. But after reading further, I had to admit, he was right.
If being a politician means being able to lie and kiss ass, then RDS is a terrible politician.
Post by: nddons on August 21, 2023, 01:10:38 PM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2Faug%2F20%2Flistless-vessel-attacks-listless-vessels%2FThere is literally nothing wrong with what DeSantis said. It is objectively completely accurate. Before I commented, I wanted to see it, and I’ve seen clips of this. It is nothing like Charles Hurt stated, nor whatever is giving Trump supporters such butt hurt.
Listless vessel attacks ‘listless vessels’
Ron DeSantis needs to learn how to connect with Republican voters
Post by: Rush on August 21, 2023, 01:54:30 PM
There is literally nothing wrong with what DeSantis said. It is objectively completely accurate. Before I commented, I wanted to see it, and I’ve seen clips of this. It is nothing like Charles Hurt stated, nor whatever is giving Trump supporters such butt hurt.
Therein lies the problem. It’s not about objective accuracy, it’s about connecting with the voter: Empathy. The optics of it don’t do that at all.
Post by: Little Joe on August 21, 2023, 01:57:56 PM
Therein lies the problem. It’s not about objective accuracy, it’s about connecting with the voter: Empathy. The optics of it don’t do that at all.Perhaps he is trying to connect with the 63% of the voters that are not Trump devotees.
But I'm afraid he is still losing.
Post by: Anthony on August 21, 2023, 03:21:37 PM
From the quote:At first I was going to disagree with this statement. But after reading further, I had to admit, he was right.
If being a politician means being able to lie and kiss ass, then RDS is a terrible politician.
You and others get on Trump for saying stupid stuff as do I ridicule him. DeSantis said something really stupid about people that would possibly vote for him as Trump had more legal problems. It was asinine. That's what he's talking about.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 05:16:20 AM
Therein lies the problem. It’s not about objective accuracy, it’s about connecting with the voter: Empathy. The optics of it don’t do that at all.I watched it and watched it again. It wasn’t an attack on MAGA. It was a commentary on people who blindly regurgitate everything Trump says, no matter how outrageous or false it may be.
Everyone loves when Trump “punches back.” I guess they only applies one way for MAGA.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 05:33:36 AM
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 05:44:16 AM
I watched it and watched it again. It wasn’t an attack on MAGA. It was a commentary on people who blindly regurgitate everything Trump says, no matter how outrageous or false it may be.
But that’s the thing, if you hate Trump and think everything he says is a lie then you put all Trump supporters in that category.
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Everyone loves when Trump “punches back.” I guess they only applies one way for MAGA.
Not literally everyone. That would include me. I’m not happy with his attacks on DeSantis which I think are over the top.
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 05:50:28 AM
For never Trumpers, it’s always something else. Never about their own candidate’s screwup.Can you please give your definition of a Never Trumper.
And can you explain how that applies to me and Stan.
Post by: Anthony on August 22, 2023, 05:55:35 AM
But that’s the thing, if you hate Trump and think everything he says is a lie then you put all Trump supporters in that category.
Not literally everyone. That would include me. I’m not happy with his attacks on DeSantis which I think are over the top.
They try to put us in a box. If you are a Trump supporter, you automatically hate DeSantis. I certainly don't. I like him, a lot!
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 05:57:08 AM
But that’s the thing, if you hate Trump and think everything he says is a lie then you put all Trump supporters in that category.
Not literally everyone. That would include me. I’m not happy with his attacks on DeSantis which I think are over the top.
You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say that I or Stan said every thing Trump says is a lie, and then defend yourself from similar charges of agreeing with everything Trump says.
But I am happy that you finally admitted that you disagree with the extent of Trumps attacks on DeSantis.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 06:07:32 AM
This presents a larger problem to the establishment as the top two candidates are non establishment types.
Look for an all out attack on Vivek at the Faux debate.
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 06:10:13 AM
At this point RDS is shrinking, and Vivek is rising.I sure wish we could have RR back.
This presents a larger problem to the establishment as the top two candidates are non establishment types.
Look for an all out attack on Vivek at the Faux debate.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 06:17:34 AM
I sure wish we could have RR back.
Well, you can’t. Times have changed.
This election comes down to do we want to continue with a constitutional republic, or do we want a tyrannical regime.
If we want to continue a constitutional republic, it will take a decade or more to flush out the rot in our government.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 06:27:24 AM
At this point RDS is shrinking, and Vivek is rising.As far as I’ve seen, the threat this candidate poses to the globalist cabal/Uniparty is low to zero. What are his true motives? I’m looking for people who point out that our government has gone full on self serving and not America serving. Who will indeed “flush out the rot” as Lucifer just posted.
This presents a larger problem to the establishment as the top two candidates are non establishment types.
Look for an all out attack on Vivek at the Faux debate.
https://gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/110926521810640494
And even if the right words are said, plenty of candidates and causes, including the feckless GOP, are trying to win over patriotic Americans by claiming allegiance to the goals of President Trump but having no intention of delivering such. How can they, when they have not risen up against the obvious fraud? Hence this:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/044e9b3b-e83f-4291-a26b-2467146560e1
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 06:39:34 AM
You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say that I or Stan said every thing Trump says is a lie, and then defend yourself from similar charges of agreeing with everything Trump says.
By “you” I didn’t mean Stan or you. It was the generic “you”. I don’t think either of you thinks everything Trump says is a lie.
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But I am happy that you finally admitted that you disagree with the extent of Trumps attacks on DeSantis.
Finally admitted? You’re mixing me up with somebody else. I’ve never agreed with the extent of his attacks. I may have said I understand his reasons, but that doesn’t mean I agreed it is the best strategy for him to follow. It’s unnecessary. He was always far ahead of DeSantis in the polls and that wasn’t going to change.
What I have always said is that Trump is a narcissist. It is standard for narcissists to have zero tolerance for disloyalty. DeSantis choosing to oppose Trump in the primary, especially after Trump’s endorsement got him the FL governorship, was perceived by Trump as betrayal. Therefore him going scorched earth on DeSantis is to be expected. Doesn’t mean I approve of it. Trump is far from perfect.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 06:43:24 AM
I sure wish we could have RR back.
We just need (mostly) secure elections back.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 06:55:00 AM
Non club members not welcome.
The UniParty feels they will get DJT removed from the ballot. They now need a controlled opposition candidate to attempt to keep the appearance of an actual election.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
By “you” I didn’t mean Stan or you. It was the generic “you”. I don’t think either of you thinks everything Trump says is a lie.You've also said that you’re fine with President Trump’s big ego because his goal is to defend the Constitution and serve the American people. I’m fine with that too. He wants his legacy to be restoring America to Americans.
Finally admitted? You’re mixing me up with somebody else. I’ve never agreed with the extent of his attacks. I may have said I understand his reasons, but that doesn’t mean I agreed it is the best strategy for him to follow. It’s unnecessary. He was always far ahead of DeSantis in the polls and that wasn’t going to change.
What I have always said is that Trump is a narcissist. It is standard for narcissists to have zero tolerance for disloyalty. DeSantis choosing to oppose Trump in the primary, especially after Trump’s endorsement got him the FL governorship, was perceived by Trump as betrayal. Therefore him going scorched earth on DeSantis is to be expected. Doesn’t mean I approve of it. Trump is far from perfect.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 07:01:06 AM
Vivek is rising as RDS falls. The establishment will try to take him out.Hmm. Who does the Uniparty want to oppose Newsom? They now know we are not falling for ticket-taking Uniparty actors trying to pass as patriots.
Non club members not welcome.
The UniParty feels they will get DJT removed from the ballot. They now need a controlled opposition candidate to attempt to keep the appearance of an actual election.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 07:27:05 AM
You've also said that you’re fine with President Trump’s big ego because his goal is to defend the Constitution and serve the American people. I’m fine with that too. He wants his legacy to be restoring America to Americans.
Correct. Narcissism is not the same thing as malignant psychopathy although they often go together. The dark triad is narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism. Jordan Peterson adds Sadism to form a dark Tetrad, and this is found in truly destructive individuals. In fact, the data shows a correlation between these traits and leftist authoritarians. The dark triad/tetrad exists in only a tiny percentage of the population but they are so malevolent and power hungry that they are the cause of leftist takeovers (communist revolutions) which inevitably lead to mass suffering among the people.
Trump is the reverse of that. First, he didn’t rise to power as part of a small group of revolutionaries using force and propaganda. He was lifted by a large grassroots movement. Second, The better he makes the lives of the people, the happier he is. That’s the reverse of sadism and certainly not psychopathy, which cares nothing for others. Third, he is risking his entire future, fortune and freedom for the people and the health of the U.S.A. This may serve his narcissism by bringing him attention and maybe allowing him to see himself as a martyr but he’s still doing it. Evil psychopaths NEVER sacrifice themselves for others.
So he’s got some unpleasant symptoms of narcissism such as being really punishing to anyone he feels betrayed him, but do not conflate that with anything near a leftist authoritarian, the true evil ones.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 07:58:58 AM
Hmm. Who does the Uniparty want to oppose Newsom? They now know we are not falling for ticket-taking Uniparty actors trying to pass as patriots.
That’s the question. RDS was suppose to be their guy, until he flamed out. Now the search is on. They’re trying to get Youngkin in, but so far he’s not buying.
Maybe Jeb! May finally get his chance?
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 08:25:18 AM
But that’s the thing, if you hate Trump and think everything he says is a lie then you put all Trump supporters in that category.I don’t hate Trump, nor think everything he says is a lie. I do think he’s lying out of his ass re: DeSantis, and that fucking pisses me off. But I don’t put all Trump supporters in they category - only those that parrot his mindless attacks, and there are several right here that do that. I don’t put you in that category.
Not literally everyone. That would include me. I’m not happy with his attacks on DeSantis which I think are over the top.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 08:40:15 AM
I don’t hate Trump, nor think everything he says is a lie. I do think he’s lying out of his ass re: DeSantis, and that fucking pisses me off. But I don’t put all Trump supporters in they category - only those that parrot his mindless attacks, and there are several right here that do that.
Right. My reply #509 to Little Joe. Was using generic “you”.
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I don’t put you in that category.
Thanks.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 08:54:31 AM
You've also said that you’re fine with President Trump’s big ego because his goal is to defend the Constitution and serve the American people. I’m fine with that too. He wants his legacy to be restoring America to Americans.And my big fear is that with his literal life on the lines with these indictments, he won’t have the capacity to serve the way this country needs a president to serve. Add to that he will be a lame duck from day 1, and will receive zero cooperation from either side, there is very little he can accomplish alone.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 08:55:18 AM
Hmm. Who does the Uniparty want to oppose Newsom? They now know we are not falling for ticket-taking Uniparty actors trying to pass as patriots.Has anyone seen RFK Jr lately? I hope he didn’t get Arkancided.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 09:09:50 AM
I don’t hate Trump, nor think everything he says is a lie. I do think he’s lying out of his ass re: DeSantis, and that fucking pisses me off. But I don’t put all Trump supporters in they category - only those that parrot his mindless attacks, and there are several right here that do that. I don’t put you in that category.
So… according to your logic (or lack thereof), all the fucking communists have to do to end any campaign is lawfare the candidates they don’t want and you will call in line for their chosen pussy.
Good to know.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 09:32:11 AM
Correct. Narcissism is not the same thing as malignant psychopathy although they often go together. The dark triad is narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism. Jordan Peterson adds Sadism to form a dark Tetrad, and this is found in truly destructive individuals. In fact, the data shows a correlation between these traits and leftist authoritarians. The dark triad/tetrad exists in only a tiny percentage of the population but they are so malevolent and power hungry that they are the cause of leftist takeovers (communist revolutions) which inevitably lead to mass suffering among the people.
Trump is the reverse of that. First, he didn’t rise to power as part of a small group of revolutionaries using force and propaganda. He was lifted by a large grassroots movement. Second, The better he makes the lives of the people, the happier he is. That’s the reverse of sadism and certainly not psychopathy, which cares nothing for others. Third, he is risking his entire future, fortune and freedom for the people and the health of the U.S.A. This may serve his narcissism by bringing him attention and maybe allowing him to see himself as a martyr but he’s still doing it. Evil psychopaths NEVER sacrifice themselves for others.
So he’s got some unpleasant symptoms of narcissism such as being really punishing to anyone he feels betrayed him, but do not conflate that with anything near a leftist authoritarian, the true evil ones.
Correct. Narcissism is not the same thing as malignant psychopathy although they often go together. The dark triad is narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism. Jordan Peterson adds Sadism to form a dark Tetrad, and this is found in truly destructive individuals. In fact, the data shows a correlation between these traits and leftist authoritarians. The dark triad/tetrad exists in only a tiny percentage of the population but they are so malevolent and power hungry that they are the cause of leftist takeovers (communist revolutions) which inevitably lead to mass suffering among the people.Good post. I’m a giant fan of Jordan Peterson.
Trump is the reverse of that. First, he didn’t rise to power as part of a small group of revolutionaries using force and propaganda. He was lifted by a large grassroots movement. Second, The better he makes the lives of the people, the happier he is. That’s the reverse of sadism and certainly not psychopathy, which cares nothing for others. Third, he is risking his entire future, fortune and freedom for the people and the health of the U.S.A. This may serve his narcissism by bringing him attention and maybe allowing him to see himself as a martyr but he’s still doing it. Evil psychopaths NEVER sacrifice themselves for others.
So he’s got some unpleasant symptoms of narcissism such as being really punishing to anyone he feels betrayed him, but do not conflate that with anything near a leftist authoritarian, the true evil ones.
However, I think Trump relishes the role of being a martyr. It is the essence of every speech or rally he’s had in the last 8 months.
I also think his narcissism is the direct cause of some of these bullshit indictments. Narcissists don’t believe anyone can tell them what to do. They are the boss, in every case, in their minds. Just look at his persona from The Apprentice. That was the same persona he carried into the White House. Sometimes that persona can cross legal lines, legitimate or not.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 09:35:04 AM
So… according to your logic (or lack thereof), all the fucking communists have to do to end any campaign is lawfare the candidates they don’t want and you will call in line for their chosen pussy.If you don’t think this “lawfare” didn’t have some elements of a self-inflicted wound, you’re more naive than I thought.
Good to know.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 10:05:01 AM
Good post. I’m a giant fan of Jordan Peterson.
However, I think Trump relishes the role of being a martyr. It is the essence of every speech or rally he’s had in the last 8 months.
I also think his narcissism is the direct cause of some of these bullshit indictments. Narcissists don’t believe anyone can tell them what to do. They are the boss, in every case, in their minds. Just look at his persona from The Apprentice. That was the same persona he carried into the White House. Sometimes that persona can cross legal lines, legitimate or not.
I don’t think he crossed any legal lines, certainly no more and certainly far less than several Democrat politicians such as Biden and Hillary. If he strayed too close to them, he was the “direct cause” only in the sense that they are using it as an excuse to come after him for the purpose of hurting or ending his chances in 2024, period end of story.
I think all politicians are narcissistic to a degree. Positions of power attract that type.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 10:08:18 AM
If you don’t think this “lawfare” didn’t have some elements of a self-inflicted wound, you’re more naive than I thought.Lawfare by its very nature picks a scrap of truth and blows it into a full-blown lie. In the case of the 2020 election, it’s trying to take a full-blown, obvious truth and turn it into a scrap of a lie. “Yes there was fraud, but it didn’t affect the outcome.” The scrap has to be comforting for those who can’t face the truth.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 10:20:47 AM
Lawfare by its very nature picks a scrap of truth and blows it into a full-blown lie. In the case of the 2020 election, it’s trying to take a full-blown, obvious truth and turn it into a scrap of a lie. “Yes there was fraud, but it didn’t affect the outcome.” The scrap has to be comforting for those who can’t face the truth.
Well said.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 10:35:24 AM
If you don’t think this “lawfare” didn’t have some elements of a self-inflicted wound, you’re more naive than I thought.
So… you do embrace being managed in behind the candidate of the communist party’s chosen loser.
Good to know.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 10:38:52 AM
I don’t think he crossed any legal lines, certainly no more and certainly far less than several Democrat politicians such as Biden and Hillary. If he strayed too close to them, he was the “direct cause” only in the sense that they are using it as an excuse to come after him for the purpose of hurting or ending his chances in 2024, period end of story.Even if you and I don’t think he did, that and $5 won’t get you a cup of coffee. The reality today is that Trump could spend the rest of his life in prison, and he may not be alive when this legal web gets cleared up, and these prosecutors are prosecuted themselves.
I think all politicians are narcissistic to a degree. Positions of power attract that type.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
So… you do embrace being managed in behind the candidate of the communist party’s chosen loser.I have no idea what you just said, but good to know your typed messages here make as much sense as gang banger’s graffiti on the side of railroad cars.
Good to know.
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 11:24:35 AM
Even if you and I don’t think he did, that and $5 won’t get you a cup of coffee. The reality today is that Trump could spend the rest of his life in prison, and he may not be alive when this legal web gets cleared up, and these prosecutors are prosecuted themselves.
And your point is? None of that stops him from being president.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 02:53:56 PM
I have no idea what you just said, but good to know your typed messages here make as much sense as gang banger’s graffiti on the side of railroad cars.
You don’t have to keep reminding everyone that you are too dumb to understand simple things.
We all know.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 02:54:53 PM
And your point is? None of that stops him from being president.
He means he is happily being managed by the communist party and only supporting candidates they approve of.
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 03:44:51 PM
And your point is? None of that stops him from being president.But it would stop him from being an effective President.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 04:11:47 PM
But it would stop him from being an effective President.Well, Joe, you walked right into this. History has shown us that Donald J. Trump would be a more effective President if he were blindfolded and had both hands tied behind his back than anyone currently in the queue or even any President in my lifetime. Setbacks and challenges energize him.
Post by: Anthony on August 22, 2023, 04:15:43 PM
You don’t have to keep reminding everyone that you are too dumb to understand simple things.
We all know.
No we don't all know. Don't speak for others.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 05:22:36 PM
And your point is? None of that stops him from being president.My point was that at this point our beliefs as to whether this is legal or just or right is no longer relevant, and any protestations are meaningless. He’s in the matrix now, and he may not get out of it anytime soon. That would prevent him from being president.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
But it would stop him from being an effective President.Or a president at all, given the potential for long prison terms.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 05:28:06 PM
Well, Joe, you walked right into this. History has shown us that Donald J. Trump would be a more effective President if he were blindfolded and had both hands tied behind his back than anyone currently in the queue or even any President in my lifetime. Setbacks and challenges energize him.I’d prefer a president who isn’t fighting for his life, and can focus on the People, and not the four walls of a cell, which sounds like a possibility.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 05:45:25 PM
I’d prefer a president who isn’t fighting for his life, and can focus on the People, and not the four walls of a cell, which sounds like a possibility.
Curious, what makes you do certain that once they have Trump out of the picture, the next guy doesn’t suddenly face indictments over “crimes”?
Seems to me if it works the first time…….why would they stop?
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 06:22:08 PM
Curious, what makes you do certain that once they have Trump out of the picture, the next guy doesn’t suddenly face indictments over “crimes”?
Seems to me if it works the first time…….why would they stop?
It will be just like the Covid whores. Now that they know how to do it, they will keep it up and expand its sick reach, nonstop.
Whittle joey will surely be surprised when the pussy brigade gets indicted, too.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 06:23:01 PM
Curious, what makes you do certain that once they have Trump out of the picture, the next guy doesn’t suddenly face indictments over “crimes”?Because these are mostly self-inflicted wounds by a narcissist who can’t keep his mouth shut and can’t be told what to do.
Seems to me if it works the first time…….why would they stop?
Archives: Turn in those documents.
Trump: No! Fuck you.
Archives: Hello, FBI?
He was probably right to keep those documents, but it’s in the Justice Department’s hands now. Good luck with that.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 22, 2023, 06:23:08 PM
Just look at the stupid shit in the latest indictment. All stuff that Democrats have done for years have suddenly been made illegal in the eyes of Fani Willis. When's the last time the Democrats did not claim an Presidential election was stolen? Now Trump does it and it is suddenly illegal.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Because these are mostly self-inflicted wounds by a narcissist who can’t keep his mouth shut and can’t be told what to do.
Archives: Turn in those documents.
Trump: No! Fuck you.
Archives: Hello, FBI?
He was probably right to keep those documents, but it’s in the Justice Department’s hands now. Good luck with that.
You didn’t answer the question. And apparently you really don’t know what’s surrounding the documents fiasco. For a refresher, the Trump people were working with the fbi in securing the documents. The fbi did an inspection, made recommendations, and they were complied with.
At no time during this was President Trump heard telling the National Archives “fuck you” when asked about the documents.
And btw, the President can declassify any federal document. Any. And without the permission of anyone.
The documents fiasco, just like the other fiascos (indictments) don’t hold water and are laughable. Don’t forget, FJB had classified documents scattered all over, his house, his garage, a university and even next door to a CCP controlled office. His druggy son also had access and was using those docs in his business. Funny how that all disappeared. And if you want to compare both side by side, the Biden case is an actual crime.
So your analogy is lacking.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 22, 2023, 06:51:07 PM
If RDS is so fucking good, why isn't he up by 40 points in the polls? He's in the process of being passed by Ramaswamy.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 08:36:03 PM
You didn’t answer the question. And apparently you really don’t know what’s surrounding the documents fiasco. For a refresher, the Trump people were working with the fbi in securing the documents. The fbi did an inspection, made recommendations, and they were complied with.I did answer by saying these are mostly self-inflicted wounds. Most other candidates aren’t stupid enough to put themselves in such positions.
At no time during this was President Trump heard telling the National Archives “fuck you” when asked about the documents.
And btw, the President can declassify any federal document. Any. And without the permission of anyone.
The documents fiasco, just like the other fiascos (indictments) don’t hold water and are laughable. Don’t forget, FJB had classified documents scattered all over, his house, his garage, a university and even next door to a CCP controlled office. His druggy son also had access and was using those docs in his business. Funny how that all disappeared. And if you want to compare both side by side, the Biden case is an actual crime.
So your analogy is lacking.
And I didn’t plan for my three-line dialogue to be a complete legal brief on the document lawsuit. Jesus Christ. You are in a little deep if you don’t think he exacerbated the case just a little bit.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
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I did answer by saying these are mostly self-inflicted wounds. Most other candidates aren’t stupid enough to put themselves in such positions.
And I didn’t plan for my three-line dialogue to be a complete legal brief on the document lawsuit. Jesus Christ. You are in a little deep if you don’t think he exacerbated the case just a little bit.
Right.
You make up a bullshit line and don’t like when the actual facts are presented.
The only exacerbation of the case was when he announced he was running again.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 06:05:06 AM
You didn’t answer the question. And apparently you really don’t know what’s surrounding the documents fiasco. For a refresher, the Trump people were working with the fbi in securing the documents. The fbi did an inspection, made recommendations, and they were complied with.
At no time during this was President Trump heard telling the National Archives “fuck you” when asked about the documents.
And btw, the President can declassify any federal document. Any. And without the permission of anyone.
And Trump BEGGED the Archives for help in removing and properly storing these same documents. Just like they do for every other outgoing president. They said "Fuck you, you're on your own". He was left to remove, transport, and store as securely as possible those documents. He had to do what he did... no other choice.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 06:14:32 AM
And Trump BEGGED the Archives for help in removing and properly storing these same documents. Just like they do for every other outgoing president. They said "Fuck you, you're on your own". He was left to remove, transport, and store as securely as possible those documents. He had to do what he did... no other choice.
Yea, but that doesn't give the desired narrative. That Trump guy is guilty of something.
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 06:24:33 AM
He had to do what he did... no other choice.That's another all purpose answer for when there is no good justification for what he did.
Why did he have to remove those documents?
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 06:26:38 AM
That's another all purpose answer for when there is no good justification for what he did.And leave all his presidential materials for the idiot taking his place? All presidential materials go to the archives. They need to be sorted, put in the proper boxes, and catalogued. Yeah, let's let FJB's team do that for him.
Why did he have to remove those documents?
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 06:41:30 AM
And leave all his presidential materials for the idiot taking his place? All presidential materials go to the archives. They need to be sorted, put in the proper boxes, and catalogued. Yeah, let's let FJB's team do that for him.
EVERY president removes and takes documents with them when they leave the WH. BHO took thousands and promised to return them. As of date, that's never happened.
And the president (while in term) can declassify documents. He doesn't have to ask permission, he doesn't have to follow a set of procedures. The smoke screen put out by the DoJ is somehow DJT is guilty of possessing "classified" documents.
FJB had in his possession thousands upon thousands of documents, classified, that he collected while senator and VP. He stored them in his house, his garage, an office at a university and an office next door to the Chinese. It's even known that the crackhead son had access and was using these documents in his "business".
To put it in context, a senator or VP does not have the power to declassify, ever. Yet the Biden document case has gone away.
And then we have Hillary. Again, egregious and laws broken, case closed.
Finally, one reason the current regime was losing their minds over the documents at Mar a Lago is the belief that DJT was holding docs showing the Biden crime family activity. Remember they impeached DJT over what FJB did.
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 06:44:14 AM
EVERY president removes and takes documents with them when they leave the WH. BHO took thousands and promised to return them. As of date, that's never happened.All of those are good responses.
And the president (while in term) can declassify documents. He doesn't have to ask permission, he doesn't have to follow a set of procedures. The smoke screen put out by the DoJ is somehow DJT is guilty of possessing "classified" documents.
FJB had in his possession thousands upon thousands of documents, classified, that he collected while senator and VP. He stored them in his house, his garage, an office at a university and an office next door to the Chinese. It's even known that the crackhead son had access and was using these documents in his "business".
To put it in context, a senator or VP does not have the power to declassify, ever. Yet the Biden document case has gone away.
And then we have Hillary. Again, egregious and laws broken, case closed.
Finally, one reason the current regime was losing their minds over the documents at Mar a Lago is the belief that DJT was holding docs showing the Biden crime family activity. Remember they impeached DJT over what FJB did.
Much better than:
"Well, the other guys can't win either"
or
"he had no choice".
Or as #7 would say:
"you are a pussy".
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 23, 2023, 07:17:25 AM
And Trump BEGGED the Archives for help in removing and properly storing these same documents. Just like they do for every other outgoing president. They said "Fuck you, you're on your own". He was left to remove, transport, and store as securely as possible those documents. He had to do what he did... no other choice.Gee, it's almost like he was being set up.
Seems to me like folks here don't really understand how badly the deck was stacked against Trump. From the moment he announced until now. If you want to use that as a reason to not back him, go for it. If he is the nominee of the party and you choose to not back him, that's on you. Currently, my inclination is to back Ramaswamy, I like what he is saying and how he handles himself. If he were elected, I assume they will go after him as they did Trump.
With Trump not participating in the debate we will see how post debate polls shake out.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 07:42:47 AM
Electing or running yet another establishment republican is that comfort level for some. After RR we have had a string of establishment types, such as GHWB, GWB as presidents, then we had John McCain, Mitt Romney and Bob Dole all graciously lose.
Even in this upcoming election we see once again the burning desire by some to run yet another establishment republican. It's kinda like doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
I see 2024 as an election of anti establishment versus establishment. Right now on the democrat side we have RFK,Jr as anti establishment, and on the republican side we have DJT and Vivek on the anti-establishment side. All three of those are making inroads while the establishment types are stalling out.
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 07:53:26 AM
That's another all purpose answer for when there is no good justification for what he did.
Why did he have to remove those documents?
You are such a pathetic pussy.
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
All of those are good responses.
Much better than:
"Well, the other guys can't win either"
or
"he had no choice".
Or as #7 would say:
"you are a pussy".
You are…
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 08:16:56 AM
You are such a pathetic pussy.I called it.
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 08:28:11 AM
I called it.We should make this a drinking game, but I probably wouldn’t make it to tonight’s debate.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
We should make this a drinking game, but I probably wouldn’t make it to tonight’s debate.Let me summarize tonight's debate for you:
A: You're a Trump poopyhead.
B: No, YOU'RE a Trump poopyhead.
and continue down the line.
Trust me, you're better off drunk.
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 08:32:15 AM
All of those are good responses.
Much better than:
"Well, the other guys can't win either"
or
"he had no choice".
Or as #7 would say:
"you are a pussy".
I am a man of few words. I let my six gun do the talking.
;D
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 08:39:54 AM
Let me summarize tonight's debate for you:
A: You're a Trump poopyhead.
B: No, YOU'RE a Trump poopyhead.
and continue down the line.
Trust me, you're better off drunk.
I'll go a step further. The so called "debate" (it's not) is nothing more than a Paul Ryan produced and staged event.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 23, 2023, 08:49:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
tuckercarlson.com
Watch Tucker on X is supposed to have the video but it's blank.
It finally loaded, nevermind.
Dang it that was just the add!
Here it is!!! https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1694513603251241143
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
Anybody trying to watch Trump on Tucker Carlson? It won't play for me. Maybe the server is overloaded?I won't even mention the shit RDS took because of a glitch with Twitter,
tuckercarlson.com
Watch Tucker on X is supposed to have the video but it's blank.
It finally loaded, nevermind.
Dang it that was just the add!
Here it is!!! https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1694513603251241143
But I will mention that "add" is not an abbreviation for "advertisement". That would be "Ad".
(just trying to be helpful).
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 06:44:49 PM
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 23, 2023, 07:20:51 PM
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
The only one that had something worth tuning in to hear would be Vivek and I understand he hammered fat boy chrissy. But I couldn’t care less what mikey pence, chrissy the walking buffet christie has to offer and no one else brought worthwhile input.
Fox got owned by Twitter tonight. That has to really chap the murdoch brats asses.
74 million tuned in against far far less for the formerly newsworthy fox.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 23, 2023, 07:41:40 PM
Trump was president for four years. He's been campaigning for the 2024 election for almost 9 months. So it is intriguing that instead of tuning in on a set of new contenders to compare with a known quantity one would prioritize the known quantity at the exclusion of the contenders, who are already less well known. Seems existing bias would would likely be confirmed.Not bias. Just not interested in listening to a bunch of people pretending that things are “normal” and that America isn’t being held captive by a criminal cabal, of which Congress seems to be a part. This country has some very big fish to fry, and that slate of candidates isn’t looking like they’d be effective in the kitchen.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 23, 2023, 07:57:09 PM
“If they truly believed in the conservative cause, they’d all refuse to debate and would back Trump. They know he’s being persecuted. They know the charges are bullshit. But they all see an opportunity and want to pounce on it. Including some of yalls new favorite from india ramaswarmy. They’re all traitors.”
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https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 08:04:18 PM
Not bias. Just not interested in listening to a bunch of people pretending that things are “normal” and that America isn’t being held captive by a criminal cabal, of which Congress seems to be a part. This country has some very big fish to fry, and that slate of candidates isn’t looking like they’d be effective in the kitchen.
I just read where chrissy was roundly booed for defending the indictments against President Trump.
Not even the once worthwhile fox could control how people respond even though they tried very hard.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 08:17:33 PM
That speaks volumes.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 03:36:03 AM
“If they truly believed in the conservative cause, they’d all refuse to debate and would back Trump. They know he’s being persecuted. They know the charges are bullshit. But they all see an opportunity and want to pounce on it. Including some of yalls new favorite from india ramaswarmy. They’re all traitors.”
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https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
Well George Washington was an insurrectionist and Abraham Lincoln tore the country apart in a civil war. So that’s an apt comparison and we need to stop Trump at all cost.
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 05:37:48 AM
-DeSantis did well, but came out hotter than he needed to be.
-Christie is a tool, and immediately got into a food fight with Vivek. Vivek hit back and did it well.
-Haley did better than I expected, but I still think she’s a poseur. She attacked Trump harder than I expected.
-Burgum was great, but he’s not going anywhere.
-Hutchins was a typical GOP politician.
-Pence is a tone-deaf know-it-all tool. If anyone “lost,” it was Pence, tied with Christie.
-Ramaswami came out hot as expected. Well spoken but acted like a know-it-all.
-Scott was good but boring. He’d be a good president but isn’t going anywhere.
The Milwaukee crowd was equally supportive of everyone. However, they were quick to boo Pence and Christie when attacking Trump.
Post by: Number7 on August 24, 2023, 05:43:47 AM
People.
Actual voters seem to be of no concern to the gop swamp.
It’s all about making sure that one of their club is the nominee. They’d rather lose to biden than have an outsider from the gop come out on top.
It’s almost like they have a passion for losing.
Having pence and chris mobey-dick christy loose ugly seems more attractive to the mittens romney / paul ryan scumbag club, than risking President Trump winning.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 05:53:01 AM
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As of this publication, Tucker Carlson’s interview garnered more than 150 million views within hours of being posted. This already ranks the Trump interview as the most watched television interview in history, breaking the record set by Carlson and Andrew Tate from earlier this summer.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 06:08:50 AM
Post by: Username on August 24, 2023, 06:28:20 AM
I agree with that last point.Exactly. For the gop it's all about personal power. Win or lose, they still hold personal power and can do with it what they will. They'll go through the motions, but in the end, it really doesn't matter who wins, D or R. Unless it's Trump.
People.
Actual voters seem to be of no concern to the gop swamp.
It’s all about making sure that one of their club is the nominee. They’d rather lose to biden than have an outsider from the gop come out on top.
It’s almost like they have a passion for losing.
Having pence and chris mobey-dick christy loose ugly seems more attractive to the mittens romney / paul ryan scumbag club, than risking President Trump winning.
For the democrats, it's about government power. Win or lose, they will transform the country to a third-world dictatorship. They will do it faster if they win, but it will still move forward if they lose.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 06:52:22 AM
Exactly. For the gop it's all about personal power. Win or lose, they still hold personal power and can do with it what they will. They'll go through the motions, but in the end, it really doesn't matter who wins, D or R. Unless it's Trump.
For the democrats, it's about government power. Win or lose, they will transform the country to a third-world dictatorship. They will do it faster if they win, but it will still move forward if they lose.
The Democrat party is lost to fascist authoritarianism. There’s no coming back. The GOP is split between establishment GOP and MAGA. Establishment GOP has proven beyond shadow of doubt that it hasn’t the balls to get us back to a semblance of a free society ruled by the consent of the people under a constitution. MAGA is our only hope. It’s not perfect. But it’s the only pathway out of this headlong race to federal totalitarianism.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:02:31 AM
I watched the debate, and thought it was better than I expected. Quick summary:Over 150 million people weren’t watching. It helps me to know that over 150 million people know that America’s fate rests upon what happens to President Donald Trump.
-DeSantis did well, but came out hotter than he needed to be.
-Christie is a tool, and immediately got into a food fight with Vivek. Vivek hit back and did it well.
-Haley did better than I expected, but I still think she’s a poseur. She attacked Trump harder than I expected.
-Burgum was great, but he’s not going anywhere.
-Hutchins was a typical GOP politician.
-Pence is a tone-deaf know-it-all tool. If anyone “lost,” it was Pence, tied with Christie.
-Ramaswami came out hot as expected. Well spoken but acted like a know-it-all.
-Scott was good but boring. He’d be a good president but isn’t going anywhere.
The Milwaukee crowd was equally supportive of everyone. However, they were quick to boo Pence and Christie when attacking Trump.
Edit to add it was 156 million. Half our population.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:03:41 AM
The Democrat party is lost to fascist authoritarianism. There’s no coming back. The GOP is split between establishment GOP and MAGA. Establishment GOP has proven beyond shadow of doubt that it hasn’t the balls to get us back to a semblance of a free society ruled by the consent of the people under a constitution. MAGA is our only hope. It’s not perfect. But it’s the only pathway out of this headlong race to federal totalitarianism.You speak the truth. When Stan and Joe wake up to that, I’ll have hope that more will as well.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 07:06:57 AM
The Democrat party is lost to fascist authoritarianism. There’s no coming back. The GOP is split between establishment GOP and MAGA. Establishment GOP has proven beyond shadow of doubt that it hasn’t the balls to get us back to a semblance of a free society ruled by the consent of the people under a constitution. MAGA is our only hope. It’s not perfect. But it’s the only pathway out of this headlong race to federal totalitarianism.
Had Trump not come along in 2016, the RNC would be dead and gone by now. In a lot of ways, I wish after the 2020 STOLEN ELECTION that DJT would have dropped the RNC and let them die a well deserved death.
Last night's RNC fiasco veiled as a debate again shows how out of touch they are. Botox Ronna is all about fund raising and not about winning.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 24, 2023, 07:07:41 AM
- Release of the J6 videos - Nope
- Impeach Biden - Nope
- Work for the release of remaining J6 political prisoners - Nope
- Remove the cap on the debt - Yep
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 24, 2023, 07:09:08 AM
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 07:17:15 AM
Why are Democrat Americans okay with not having Democrat Presidential Debates or Democrat primaries? Isn't that how it's done in Communist countries?
I’d say most Democrat Americans are uninformed and ignorant of what goes on in communist countries and have no education in history.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 07:21:55 AM
Speaker McCarthy:Feel free to add....
- Release of the J6 videos - Nope
- Impeach Biden - Nope
- Work for the release of remaining J6 political prisoners - Nope
- Remove the cap on the debt - Yep
He recently cut a back room deal with Chuck Schumer to do a CR to keep the government running past September. However, he didn't bother to inform the congressional republicans. Several are spitting nails (rightfully so) as to why McLoser wants to help FJB and his regime.
It's the GOP way. If McLoser really represented his constituents, he could use this CR as a means to force election reform, cut out wasteful spending and rein in the DOJ/FBI. Instead, he's interested in appeasing his roommates constituents while dinning at the money trough.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 07:28:36 AM
I’d say most Democrat Americans are uninformed and ignorant of what goes on in communist countries and have no education in history.
In our present school situation, history is barely taught. Well, except for how America was founded using slave labor and how evil the founding fathers were.
To be fair, a large number of American voters are apathetic, both R and D. There is more interest in the Super Bowl, some no talent Hollywood types and now Tik Tok "influencers". Most don't even know anything about their congressmen, they just vote on name recognition.
Social media teaches young and dumb that socialism is "cool", and points out all of the "injustice" of our country. The CCP has done an admirable job of using Tik Tok to take down our youth, and don't forget Mark Zuckerberg is all to willing to help.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:29:31 AM
Speaker McCarthy:He is showing us what to expect from the GOP. I too have wished President Trump would start a new party. I don’t agree with his staying with them.Feel free to add....
- Release of the J6 videos - Nope
- Impeach Biden - Nope
- Work for the release of remaining J6 political prisoners - Nope
- Remove the cap on the debt - Yep
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 07:35:48 AM
You speak the truth. When Stan and Joe wake up to that, I’ll have hope that more will as well.And when Trump can’t win the general, where will MAGA be then?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:41:30 AM
And when Trump can’t win the general, where will MAGA be then?In completely uncharted territory, which if you would please look around, you would see that WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW.
Those “candidates” you wasted your time on last night are useful idiots. They’ve been told “Trump can’t win” and we know those handlers know it, don’t we? Just like they said “Trump will never be President. We’ll make sure of that.”
We’re in deep waters and completely off the map now. Here be dragons.
Post by: Little Joe on August 24, 2023, 07:47:01 AM
You speak the truth. When Stan and Joe wake up to that, I’ll have hope that more will as well.Speaking for myself, I am well aware of the need and the ability to address the issues that Trump would provide, IF HE COULD GET ELECTED.
I don't know how many times I have said it, and I don't know how many more times I will have to say it, or whether you or #7 will ever believe it, but I am not and have never been a "NEVER TRUMPER". That is a figment of your imagination because we dont' fall in line with you.
I just don't think he can win the general and nominating him guarantees we get another Democrat. But even so, if he does get the nomination I will support him in every way I can.
And sorry, I just don't buy the fact that it doesn't matter if he can't get elected because nobody (R) else can either.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 07:55:20 AM
Speaking for myself, I am well aware of the need and the ability to address the issues that Trump would provide, IF HE COULD GET ELECTED.
I don't know how many times I have said it, and I don't know how many more times I will have to say it, or whether you or #7 will ever believe it, but I am not and have never been a "NEVER TRUMPER". That is a figment of your imagination because we dont' fall in line with you.
I just don't think he can win the general and nominating him guarantees we get another Democrat. But even so, if he does get the nomination I will support him in every way I can.
And sorry, I just don't buy the fact that it doesn't matter if he can't get elected because nobody (R) else can either.
On that debate stage last night, none of them "can win in the general". Their polling is abysmal. And the majority of them are establishment. Conservative voters are tired of having the same old establishment types put up by a corrupt RNC who are all in to graciously losing.
Here's your track record
George HW Bush---------establishment---won
George W Bush-----------establishment---won
Bob Dole-------------------establishment--lost
Mitt Romney---------------establishment--lost
John McCain---------------establishment--lost
2020 election Landslide win, but stolen with the help of the establishment.
Post by: Username on August 24, 2023, 07:58:08 AM
Why are Democrat Americans okay with not having Democrat Presidential Debates or Democrat primaries? Isn't that how it's done in Communist countries?The challengers prefer to continue living.
Post by: Little Joe on August 24, 2023, 08:04:26 AM
On that debate stage last night, none of them "can win in the general". Their polling is abysmal. And the majority of them are establishment. Conservative voters are tired of having the same old establishment types put up by a corrupt RNC who are all in to graciously losing.If the debates don't turn out a surprise quality candidate that people can get behind, then most assuredly Trump will win the nomination.
Here's your track record
George HW Bush---------establishment---won
George W Bush-----------establishment---won
Bob Dole-------------------establishment--lost
Mitt Romney---------------establishment--lost
John McCain---------------establishment--lost
2020 election Landslide win, but stolen with the help of the establishment.
And as I said, if he does, I will support him with all the vigor I can muster.
I hope we can find that dark horse that can win because if we don't, then we get four more years of the last four.
Any one of those "pussy establishment RINOs" would be better than the alternative. And if they lose, it will be the same as if Trump loses, except that the Democrat celebration won't be as loud and long.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
The RNC is tone deaf, and here they are once again pushing the same fucking slate. Dark horse? The RNC saw what happened last time a non establishment guy got in, and they are not going to let this happen again.
From the RNC "Hold your nose, vote and we'll be sure our guy gives a really gracious concession speech".
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 24, 2023, 08:43:55 AM
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 08:54:18 AM
Speaking for myself, I am well aware of the need and the ability to address the issues that Trump would provide, IF HE COULD GET ELECTED.
I don't know how many times I have said it, and I don't know how many more times I will have to say it, or whether you or #7 will ever believe it, but I am not and have never been a "NEVER TRUMPER". That is a figment of your imagination because we dont' fall in line with you.
I just don't think he can win the general and nominating him guarantees we get another Democrat. But even so, if he does get the nomination I will support him in every way I can.
And sorry, I just don't buy the fact that it doesn't matter if he can't get elected because nobody (R) else can either.
You might be completely right. But what can you do about it? At first it seemed DeSantis might have a chance to gain on Trump and there’s still plenty of time left, but I think that hope is now dashed. None of the others appear to have any chance at all either. I could understand at first you and Stan hoping DeSantis would be a better alternative to Trump and might actually have a chance both in the primary and the general, but that time is gone.
If you continue insisting Trump can’t win the general (and one of the others would have) then you’re doing what the enemy wants: being demoralized.
It no longer matters which R candidate has a better chance in the general because there is virtually no chance anyone other than Trump will be the nominee. But I know that you aren’t a never Trumper and no matter what you say or how much N7 calls you names, what you do in the ballot box in the general is all that matters to me.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 08:56:34 AM
Gee, wonder why?
Post by: Number7 on August 24, 2023, 09:02:17 AM
Speaking for myself, I am well aware of the need and the ability to address the issues that Trump would provide, IF HE COULD GET ELECTED.
I don't know how many times I have said it, and I don't know how many more times I will have to say it, or whether you or #7 will ever believe it, but I am not and have never been a "NEVER TRUMPER". That is a figment of your imagination because we dont' fall in line with you.
I just don't think he can win the general and nominating him guarantees we get another Democrat. But even so, if he does get the nomination I will support him in every way I can.
And sorry, I just don't buy the fact that it doesn't matter if he can't get elected because nobody (R) else can either.
SIGNIFICANTLY fewer people tuned into the latest gop beauty pageant than the 76 million and counting who tuned in to Tucker to see President Trump lay out his intentions.
The fox shit show was almost totally scripted.
The twat brett even scolded the audience for failing to follow the script and speaking their intentions.
What a scam that was.
It over 80 million (by the time all watchers get caught up) chose President Trump over mitch and rona’s scamalot farce, then you could expect that many, maybe more, to show up and vote for the rightful President.
Oh… and fuck the democrat communists and scumbag rinos!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 24, 2023, 09:14:52 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 09:51:39 AM
It’s that weird tendency you have to leap toward hurt feelings and assumptions that makes you SOUND like a liberal, but we know you’re not. Can we just go from there?
Seven will jump in here but we can ignore him. Just ignore him. Can you do that?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 10:07:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 10:33:59 AM
Post by: Anthony on August 24, 2023, 10:40:05 AM
Speaker McCarthy:Feel free to add....
- Release of the J6 videos - Nope
- Impeach Biden - Nope
- Work for the release of remaining J6 political prisoners - Nope
- Remove the cap on the debt - Yep
That's a great post. Tells the whole story.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 10:55:37 AM
That's a great post. Tells the whole story.
Know how the establishment says “Trust us”?
“Fuck You!”
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 11:33:04 AM
The "Trump can't win in the general" was brought to us by..............the establishment republicans.Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
Gee, wonder why?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 24, 2023, 11:42:03 AM
This went on for several years. Most of the players knew the tendencies of each other. Eventually there was a new player, a relatively young engineer. And everyone was helping to teach this new player (he was given the nickname "Grasshopper").
One hand, we all knew who had the Queen of spades (Saul). Grasshopper was playing in front of Saul and was clearly debating whether to go up on the trick or not. Saul told Grasshopper to go ahead and go up, he wasn't going to drop the queen on him. "Trust me" Saul repeated several times. Grasshopper goes up to take the trick, and Saul drops the queen on him, telling Grasshopper "'Trust me'" is yiddish for 'fuck you'"
A few years later, we are playing hearts again and tell the story about teaching Grasshopper the meaning of "trust me"... and a few hands later we have the same scenario - Grasshopper is debating whether to take the trick or not... we tell him to go ahead and take it, "trust us" we want someone else to get the queen. Can you see what is about to happen? Grasshopper goes up and gets the queen dropped on him again And we unmercifully rag him for not learning the lesson.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 12:02:01 PM
reminds me of a time when we would play Hearts at lunchtime at work.
This went on for several years. Most of the players knew the tendencies of each other. Eventually there was a new player, a relatively young engineer. And everyone was helping to teach this new player (he was given the nickname "Grasshopper").
One hand, we all knew who had the Queen of spades (Saul). Grasshopper was playing in front of Saul and was clearly debating whether to go up on the trick or not. Saul told Grasshopper to go ahead and go up, he wasn't going to drop the queen on him. "Trust me" Saul repeated several times. Grasshopper goes up to take the trick, and Saul drops the queen on him, telling Grasshopper "'Trust me'" is yiddish for 'fuck you'"
A few years later, we are playing hearts again and tell the story about teaching Grasshopper the meaning of "trust me"... and a few hands later we have the same scenario - Grasshopper is debating whether to take the trick or not... we tell him to go ahead and take it, "trust us" we want someone else to get the queen. Can you see what is about to happen? Grasshopper goes up and gets the queen dropped on him again And we unmercifully rag him for not learning the lesson.
Haha! My sister and I used to play Spades with mom, for years we’d fly home 3 times a year and spend a week playing spades. We got into such a routine my sister and I could with glances and mumbling between us manipulate the whole game so that mom would win an equal amount of times. (She was getting so demented she couldn’t handle the bidding anymore and kept playing not good cards.) It was so much fun.
Post by: Anthony on August 24, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
I agree that Trump may be vulnerable due to his baggage, mouth, legal troubles (which I think are largely invented, but still there) and other shortcomings and issues.
However, he's better than the rest of the R candidates and certainly better than any Democrat Authoritarian Fascist out there.
Post by: Number7 on August 24, 2023, 12:14:21 PM
Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
You have such a weird, pathetic obsession with needing people to endorse your bullshit liberal opinions, to the point that you constantly project your bullshit onto anyone that refuses to endorse it.
Strange and really sad.
You’re like the trannies that demand that we respect their mental illness.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 12:22:45 PM
Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
Thinking people can come to the conclusion that Trump can't win in the general? Okay. I still have not heard any convincing argument that any of the others can beat Biden.
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
I agree that Trump may be vulnerable due to his baggage, mouth, legal troubles (which I think are largely invented, but still there) and other shortcomings and issues.He very well might be, Anthony, but if the things in your first paragraph prevent him from winning the general, we will get a fucking democrat for 4 or 8 more years.
However, he's better than the rest of the R candidates and certainly better than any Democrat Authoritarian Fascist out there.
These indictments are relatively new. They are going to be getting serious very quickly, and I’m sure we’ll into the primary and general election season. How many good conservatives will step back and say that winning the general is everything, and this guy will be consumed with defending his life, and not with being president.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:18:42 PM
Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
So what’s Paul Ryan instructing you to do today?
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
Thinking people can come to the conclusion that Trump can't win in the general? Okay. I still have not heard any convincing argument that any of the others can beat Biden.
But the Paul Ryan gang says just put another establishment guy in.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
Thinking people can come to the conclusion that Trump can't win in the general? Okay. I still have not heard any convincing argument that any of the others can beat Biden.
And you won’t.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 01:41:33 PM
He very well might be, Anthony, but if the things in your first paragraph prevent him from winning the general, we will get a fucking democrat for 4 or 8 more years.
These indictments are relatively new. They are going to be getting serious very quickly, and I’m sure we’ll into the primary and general election season. How many good conservatives will step back and say that winning the general is everything, and this guy will be consumed with defending his life, and not with being president.
I don’t believe he’ll be “consumed with defending his life”. I think he can handle it. He’s scrappy and loves a fight. If anything it seems to energize him more.
I still don’t understand why you think these things will lose him the general and other things won’t lose DeSantis or Ramaswamy or Pence or Christie etc. the general. Which of those can galvanize enough support to overcome the Dem cheating? Because Dem cheating is a given.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:43:35 PM
The entire ad is RDS praising Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:45:07 PM
I don’t believe he’ll be “consumed with defending his life”. I think he can handle it. He’s scrappy and loves a fight. If anything it seems to energize him more.
I still don’t understand why you think these things will lose him the general and other things won’t lose DeSantis or Ramaswamy or Pence or Christie etc. the general. Which of those can galvanize enough support to overcome the Dem cheating? Because Dem cheating is a given.
The establishment mantra is “ Just run anyone other than Trump, and the Dems won’t cheat as much”.
Yea, I know, stupid.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 01:46:12 PM
He very well might be, Anthony, but if the things in your first paragraph prevent him from winning the general, we will get a fucking democrat for 4 or 8 more years.Can’t you see that it’s not just his life but the fate of the country that needs defending? I don’t think this an extreme statement. You’ve seen the malicious slavering over power the left/cabal has enjoyed for over three years and their strategic “pandemic” to guarantee safe pipeline of fame ballots.
These indictments are relatively new. They are going to be getting serious very quickly, and I’m sure we’ll into the primary and general election season. How many good conservatives will step back and say that winning the general is everything, and this guy will be consumed with defending his life, and not with being president.
Now the left/cabal is about to incarcerate the ONE PERSON who is positioned to destroy them, as we all agree they need to be destroyed. We want our country back. And you’re pretending it can be done with an ELECTION? Stan.
I repeat:
https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 02:52:51 PM
Can’t you see that it’s not just his life but the fate of the country that needs defending? I don’t think this an extreme statement. You’ve seen the malicious slavering over power the left/cabal has enjoyed for over three years and their strategic “pandemic” to guarantee safe pipeline of fame ballots.You think he can be president when he’s incarcerated? You seem to finally admit that’s a very good possibility.
Now the left/cabal is about to incarcerate the ONE PERSON who is positioned to destroy them, as we all agree they need to be destroyed. We want our country back. And you’re pretending it can be done with an ELECTION? Stan.
I repeat:
https://twitter.com/gc22gc/status/1694356341345944018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694356341345944018%7Ctwgr%5E8eeb02791f230ec7608ae39f371c1263203744d7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2F
When a bad guy has a gun to your head, you’re not thinking about your to-do list at home. “It’s not just his life?” No, but it is HIS LIFE at stake.
As for your last sentence, what are you proposing that helps? An election is the only non-violent option we have left.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 03:51:11 PM
You think he can be president when he’s incarcerated? You seem to finally admit that’s a very good possibility.You don’t think America has a gun to its head? We’re in a violent takeover right now. The presidential election was stolen, a corrupt regime was installed that is persecuting Patriots who try to expose them, tens of thousands of people from all over the world are entering America illegally and allowed to disappear, the DOJ and FBI and CIA are serving themselves and who knows who, but not us. They’re shooting people. I see in another thread the DOJ is suing an employer for hiring American citizens over non citizens. Hell, state governments all over the country have been compromised. At what level does this get fixed, and how?
When a bad guy has a gun to your head, you’re not thinking about your to-do list at home. “It’s not just his life?” No, but it is HIS LIFE at stake.
As for your last sentence, what are you proposing that helps? An election is the only non-violent option we have left.
We have no leader. Biden does not lead. He is sick and corrupt. The person with 175 million people listening to him instead of the debate last night is a leader. Tell me why 175 million people don’t care what a bunch of Jebs on a stage are saying, acting like we’re not in a violent takeover? Because we’re in a violent takeover.
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 07:10:50 PM
You don’t think America has a gun to its head? We’re in a violent takeover right now. The presidential election was stolen, a corrupt regime was installed that is persecuting Patriots who try to expose them, tens of thousands of people from all over the world are entering America illegally and allowed to disappear, the DOJ and FBI and CIA are serving themselves and who knows who, but not us. They’re shooting people. I see in another thread the DOJ is suing an employer for hiring American citizens over non citizens. Hell, state governments all over the country have been compromised. At what level does this get fixed, and how?Apples and oranges. Of course America has a gun to its head. I’m talking about the viability of a presidential candidate who has a very good possibility of spending years in prison.
We have no leader. Biden does not lead. He is sick and corrupt. The person with 175 million people listening to him instead of the debate last night is a leader. Tell me why 175 million people don’t care what a bunch of Jebs on a stage are saying, acting like we’re not in a violent takeover? Because we’re in a violent takeover.
And I seriously doubt 175 million people sat through that interview. A click through counts as a click.
Post by: Number7 on August 24, 2023, 07:28:03 PM
Apples and oranges. Of course America has a gun to its head. I’m talking about the viability of a presidential candidate who has a very good possibility of spending years in prison.
And I seriously doubt 175 million people sat through that interview. A click through counts as a click.
Your obsession with blind ignorance is only exceeded by your obsession with projecting your bullshit onto others.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:33:57 PM
Apples and oranges. Of course America has a gun to its head. I’m talking about the viability of a presidential candidate who has a very good possibility of spending years in prison.Stan. President Trump was re-elected in 2020. It was stolen by massive fraud. A puppet was installed. We’re in a violent takeover. If President Trump goes to jail, all bets are off, and even if he doesn’t, all bets are off. Nothing is normal. I don’t know why you can’t get this. I wish I knew what to do, but it’s NOT to pretend like it’s 1980. We’re on the brink of something very big here.
And I seriously doubt 175 million people sat through that interview. A click through counts as a click.
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 07:54:48 PM
Stan. President Trump was re-elected in 2020. It was stolen by massive fraud. A puppet was installed. We’re in a violent takeover. If President Trump goes to jail, all bets are off, and even if he doesn’t, all bets are off. Nothing is normal. I don’t know why you can’t get this. I wish I knew what to do, but it’s NOT to pretend like it’s 1980. We’re on the brink of something very big here.All I know is I have a Wisconsin GOP primary election in April 2024, we have a GOP convention in Milwaukee in July 2024, I’ll campaign for the ultimate nominee in the summer and fall of 2024, and vote in the general election in November 2024.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 24, 2023, 07:57:52 PM
All I know is I have a Wisconsin GOP primary election in April 2024, we have a GOP convention in Milwaukee in July 2024, I’ll campaign for the ultimate nominee in the summer and fall of 2024, and vote in the general election in November 2024.Survival kit contents check.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 08:25:55 PM
All I know is I have a Wisconsin GOP primary election in April 2024, we have a GOP convention in Milwaukee in July 2024, I’ll campaign for the ultimate nominee in the summer and fall of 2024, and vote in the general election in November 2024.Knock yourself out. We’re in a banana republic now though. And the thugs control the ballots. That’s why they don’t care about the optics of charging people with a crime for questioning 2020. Or jailing them.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Is the current thugocracy the America you want to live in and leave for your progeny? Can’t you feel the noose tightening? This is going nowhere good, and I’m not sure what we might be forced to do. But again, it probably won’t be happily pretending things are functional.
I do interpret your reply to mean you would campaign for President Trump if he is the nominee. I doubt things will be stable enough at that point, though, for any semblance of a clean election.
Post by: nddons on August 24, 2023, 09:14:58 PM
Knock yourself out. We’re in a banana republic now though. And the thugs control the ballots. That’s why they don’t care about the optics of charging people with a crime for questioning 2020. Or jailing them.Yes, I would. I’ve said that before. I don’t hate the man, and I was a cheerleader right here on PS. I doubt he can win the general, but I would support him as I did in 2016 when I campaigned for Cruz, and Trump won the nomination.
Is the current thugocracy the America you want to live in and leave for your progeny? Can’t you feel the noose tightening? This is going nowhere good, and I’m not sure what we might be forced to do. But again, it probably won’t be happily pretending things are functional.
I do interpret your reply to mean you would campaign for President Trump if he is the nominee. I doubt things will be stable enough at that point, though, for any semblance of a clean election.
As for the rest, what are you going to do? Just throw in the towel on the general election and not vote? I just don’t follow your line of argument.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 24, 2023, 09:20:57 PM
All I know is I have a Wisconsin GOP primary election in April 2024, we have a GOP convention in Milwaukee in July 2024, I’ll campaign for the ultimate nominee in the summer and fall of 2024, and vote in the general election in November 2024.Serious followup:
Is there something else I should be doing?
You're doing great and I commend you on your efforts. Follow your conscience.
"Conscience is the root of all true courage; if a man would be brave let him obey his conscience."
-- James Freeman Clarke
Post by: Anthony on August 25, 2023, 03:04:52 AM
All I know is I have a Wisconsin GOP primary election in April 2024, we have a GOP convention in Milwaukee in July 2024, I’ll campaign for the ultimate nominee in the summer and fall of 2024, and vote in the general election in November 2024.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Primaries, campaigns, parties and ELECTIONS don't matter anymore. Becky is spot on.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 04:04:23 AM
Yes, I would. I’ve said that before. I don’t hate the man, and I was a cheerleader right here on PS. I doubt he can win the general, but I would support him as I did in 2016 when I campaigned for Cruz, and Trump won the nomination.
As for the rest, what are you going to do? Just throw in the towel on the general election and not vote? I just don’t follow your line of argument.
I don’t know what we’re arguing about if we’re all going to support the ultimate R nominee. It’s bad enough they have libs and cons hating each other, blacks and whites, straights and rainbows. Those of us who all agree the common enemy is the “thugocracy” as Becky calls it don’t need to turn against each other too.
Post by: nddons on August 25, 2023, 04:44:22 AM
I don’t know what we’re arguing about if we’re all going to support the ultimate R nominee. It’s bad enough they have libs and cons hating each other, blacks and whites, straights and rainbows. Those of us who all agree the common enemy is the “thugocracy” as Becky calls it don’t need to turn against each other too.Then help me understand why Becky and Anthony consider what I plan to do above a waste of time and something that won’t matter.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 25, 2023, 04:44:40 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 25, 2023, 04:46:59 AM
Then help me understand why Becky and Anthony consider what I plan to do above a waste of time and something that won’t matter.You do you Stan. Some of us think, in the long run, it isn't going to matter anyhow. They have figured out how to never lose a Presidential election again. Next, they need to work on not losing and House or Senate elections and then the plan is complete. They already don't care a lick about the Constitution.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 04:55:40 AM
You do you Stan. Some of us think, in the long run, it isn't going to matter anyhow. They have figured out how to never lose a Presidential election again. Next, they need to work on not losing and House or Senate elections and then the plan is complete. They already don't care a lick about the Constitution.
There is hope the cheating can be overcome in 2024. It might be a long shot but there is hope. For example, if only a fraction of blacks wake up it’s all over. I’m hoping the Republican watchers on the ground will aggressively refuse to be cowed like they were in 2020.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 04:57:08 AM
Stan. President Trump was re-elected in 2020. It was stolen by massive fraud. A puppet was installed. We’re in a violent takeover. If President Trump goes to jail, all bets are off, and even if he doesn’t, all bets are off. Nothing is normal. I don’t know why you can’t get this. I wish I knew what to do, but it’s NOT to pretend like it’s 1980. We’re on the brink of something very big here.
Um, P.S., Becky I’m not calling you a cow here. Well technically I guess I am.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 05:19:45 AM
There is hope the cheating can be overcome in 2024. It might be a long shot but there is hope. For example, if only a fraction of blacks wake up it’s all over. I’m hoping the Republican watchers on the ground will aggressively refuse to be cowed like they were in 2020.
Cheating can't be overcome as long as the communist control the ballots. When they have truck loads of ballots waiting for the 2am ballot dump, all they need to know is where the R candidate is in votes, then start dumping.
It's not about who votes, it's all about the ballots.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 05:23:57 AM
Cheating can't be overcome as long as the communist control the ballots. When they have truck loads of ballots waiting for the 2am ballot dump, all they need to know is where the R candidate is in votes, then start dumping.
It's not about who votes, it's all about the ballots.
And now they are arresting everyone including attorneys who call them out for the 2 am truckloads of forged ballots. This discourages lawful investigation. Leaving us only one alternative. Well two if you count convention of states but I haven’t heard any movement on that front.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 05:31:30 AM
And now they are arresting everyone including attorneys who call them out for the 2 am truckloads of forged ballots. This discourages lawful investigation. Leaving us only one alternative. Well two if you count convention of states but I haven’t heard any movement on that front.
They (democrat communist and the establishment) want any and all talk about the 2020 steal silenced. So throw out the constitution and persecute anyone who mentions it.
They learned a lot from 2020, they expanded it during 2022 (Arizona) and now they are ready for 2024. Those battleground states still haven't cleaned up the voter rolls, and several still have the laws, placed illegally using covid as the excuse in place.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 05:34:30 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 25, 2023, 07:20:27 AM
Then help me understand why Becky and Anthony consider what I plan to do above a waste of time and something that won’t matter.Unless the caucus, citizens, state organizations, parties and candidates ALL stand behind the fact that the 2020 election was stolen, which you know is true, then all activities conducted as if that massive truth isn’t in the room fall into the category of doing the same thing and expecting different results.
ALL energy expended must be upon securing elections. Eliminating machines, requiring ID and paper ballots, no mail-in ballots, one night counting. If your energy and time is directed to that, I applaud you. Otherwise, all your effort and time will just contribute to the illusion that things are normal, the very illusion our captors are trying to create. They need to keep elections going to keep the sheep believing that stolen elections are clean and legal ones.
That said, I’ve voted in every election since 2020. But since 2020 I do so with the full knowledge we have a vast network of strategic cheating that must be destroyed.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 08:33:56 AM
Unless the caucus, citizens, state organizations, parties and candidates ALL stand behind the fact that the 2020 election was stolen, which you know is true, then all activities conducted as if that massive truth isn’t in the room fall into the category of doing the same thing and expecting different results.
ALL energy expended must be upon securing elections. Eliminating machines, requiring ID and paper ballots, no mail-in ballots, one night counting. If your energy and time is directed to that, I applaud you. Otherwise, all your effort and time will just contribute to the illusion that things are normal, the very illusion our captors are trying to create. They need to keep elections going to keep the sheep believing that stolen elections are clean and legal ones.
That said, I’ve voted in every election since 2020. But since 2020 I do so with the full knowledge we have a vast network of strategic cheating that must be destroyed.
The GOP should be leading this effort but all I hear at the highest level is crickets.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 25, 2023, 09:13:52 AM
The GOP should be leading this effort but all I hear at the highest level is crickets.I just did a duckduckgo search for the keyword sequence "republican election law changes" and see many articles, several of which report up to 43 states changing their election laws. Some examples:
March 11, 2021: At least 250 new laws have been proposed in 43 states to limit mail, early in-person and Election Day voting (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/voting-restrictions-republicans-states/)
August 17, 2023: Sweeping GOP-backed bill could radically change NC's voting rules (https://www.wunc.org/politics/2023-08-17/sweeping-gop-elections-bill-change-north-carolina-voting-rules-2024)
January 2, 2023: Key battleground states are moving to change election laws ahead of ‘24 (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/02/battleground-election-laws-2024-00075525)
There appear to be many state-level battles going on and some are going the Republican's way, some not. In states where the Republicans are already in the minority they lose. But they do fight.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 09:15:36 AM
The GOP should be leading this effort but all I hear at the highest level is crickets.
Ronna Botox only wants to fund raise on.
Seriously, make donations and the RNC will fix it!
Honest!
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 09:17:49 AM
I just did a duckduckgo search for the keyword sequence "republican election law changes" and see many articles, several of which report up to 43 states changing their election laws. Some examples:
March 11, 2021: At least 250 new laws have been proposed in 43 states to limit mail, early in-person and Election Day voting (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/voting-restrictions-republicans-states/)
August 17, 2023: Sweeping GOP-backed bill could radically change NC's voting rules (https://www.wunc.org/politics/2023-08-17/sweeping-gop-elections-bill-change-north-carolina-voting-rules-2024)
January 2, 2023: Key battleground states are moving to change election laws ahead of ‘24 (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/02/battleground-election-laws-2024-00075525)
There appear to be many state-level battles going on and some are going the Republican's way, some not. In states where the Republicans are already in the minority they lose. But they do fight.
This next election will be decided in PA, WI, MI, GA and AZ. Unless the corruption is not rooted out, the race is already decided.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 25, 2023, 09:52:13 AM
This next election will be decided in PA, WI, MI, GA and AZ. Unless the corruption is not rooted out, the race is already decided.Georgia election laws have been improved.
Drop boxes at least were ruled illegal in Wisconsin.
Battles over the laws continue in some of the other states you mention, some obviously badly.
The argument that Republicans aren't doing anything is incorrect once one does some research.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 10:06:46 AM
Georgia election laws have been improved.
Drop boxes at least were ruled illegal in Wisconsin.
Battles over the laws continue in some of the other states you mention, some obviously badly.
The argument that Republicans aren't doing anything is incorrect once one does some research.
That's good to hear but I did say highest level and by that I mean DC GOP. Congress should be screaming daily about this and excoriating SCOTUS for declining Texas et al. I do know some of the states are trying to improve. But I fear Lucifer is right, it's going to come down to 5 or six specific states and only a couple of counties in each. It's incredible that that's all the targeted cheating they need to do to thwart the will of the entire nation. That was the whole reason for an electoral college in the first place, to keep an overly dense small geographical area from dictating to all the fruited plain.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 10:11:33 AM
It’s all about the ballots. Many areas are using old outdated voter rolls. So a municipality that has 100,000 “registered” voters may actually only have 50,000 active.
Those other 50,000? Why, let’s mail everyone ballots. So empty lots have 100 people registered there. Or an apartment has 25 registered there. And so on.
So when election month happens, “harvesters” go out and collect. Want a particular candidate to win? Easy, they now have thousands of ballots to drop at 2am.
And that’s just one small facet of what’s going on.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 10:16:22 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 10:21:12 AM
On the other hand don't get "black pilled", think there's no point in bothering, and give up and God forbid don't even vote. I'm thinking if they do pull off the steal this time, THEN we can get black pilled, but as of now we still have a chance however small. I don't think there will be any coming back if they pull it off though, because this country CANNOT survive another 4 years of whoever the fuck has their hand up Biden's ass.
Conservatives will have to get active, and fight. The democrat communist and the establishment republicans will push back, but it has to become a unified effort.
Don’t let the communist shut conservatives out of poll watching. Don’t accept polling machine errors (gee, ballots printed wrong) Demand ballot integrity, and above all amass an army of lawyers to fight back.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 10:27:10 AM
Conservatives will have to get active, and fight. The democrat communist and the establishment republicans will push back, but it has to become a unified effort.
Don’t let the communist shut conservatives out of poll watching. Don’t accept polling machine errors (gee, ballots printed wrong) Demand ballot integrity, and above all amass an army of lawyers to fight back.
They can't arrest ALL the lawyers in the country.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 10:32:07 AM
They can't arrest ALL the lawyers in the country.
Places like GA can try. According to GA, people aren’t allowed to consult a lawyer, and if a lawyer speaks to a client, it’s a felony.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 10:37:32 AM
Places like GA can try. According to GA, people aren’t allowed to consult a lawyer, and if a lawyer speaks to a client, it’s a felony.
I thought there was attorney client privilege?
Post by: Number7 on August 25, 2023, 11:01:10 AM
I thought there was attorney client privilege?
That only applies to communist democrat corrupt lawyers.
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 11:46:59 AM
The "Trump can't win in the general" was brought to us by..............the establishment republicans.
Gee, wonder why?
Thinking people can come to this conclusion all by ourselves, given objective facts. Sycophants on the other hand have to be told what to say by their savior.
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Paul Ryan — a member of the board of directors for Fox News — is still trying to derail Trump, saying, “If we nominate Trump again, we're going to lose. It’s just that clear. We lost with him in ‘18, ’20 and '22. We know this. He will cost us another election, so I’m just excited about somebody not named Trump. There are great people running. I know them all. They’re all pretty decent friends of mine, and so I think any one of these candidates that are thinking about getting in the race, if they get in the race, would be a great candidate. I think we’re going to beat Joe Biden if we don’t run Donald Trump.”
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/what-do-you-mean-we-republicans
Post by: Number7 on August 25, 2023, 12:12:06 PM
paul ryan was mittens romney's loser partner. He got elected speaker, promised to control spending and did a crack up job running gigantic spending bills. Then ran out and was a complete zero on the campaign trail with china mitt.
But of course rino republicans think we should take orders from him.
Post by: nddons on August 25, 2023, 02:51:45 PM
Serious followup:Thanks Jim.
You're doing great and I commend you on your efforts. Follow your conscience.
"Conscience is the root of all true courage; if a man would be brave let him obey his conscience."
-- James Freeman Clarke
Post by: Anthony on August 25, 2023, 03:14:58 PM
The GOP should be leading this effort but all I hear at the highest level is crickets.
They've become the Party of Inaction. Just continue the trough.
Post by: Anthony on August 25, 2023, 03:17:44 PM
Conservatives will have to get active, and fight. The democrat communist and the establishment republicans will push back, but it has to become a unified effort.
Don’t let the communist shut conservatives out of poll watching. Don’t accept polling machine errors (gee, ballots printed wrong) Demand ballot integrity, and above all amass an army of lawyers to fight back.
I fear it will have to be at the barrel of a gun. Legally, with toy guns of course.
Post by: nddons on August 25, 2023, 03:25:59 PM
On the other hand don't get "black pilled", think there's no point in bothering, and give up and God forbid don't even vote. I'm thinking if they do pull off the steal this time, THEN we can get black pilled, but as of now we still have a chance however small. I don't think there will be any coming back if they pull it off though, because this country CANNOT survive another 4 years of whoever the fuck has their hand up Biden's ass.It seems like most everyone here has been black pilled and are downing them by the handful.
Nihilism isn’t in my vocabulary. Nihilists are quitters, and I’ve never quit anything my life, and I’m not about to start now.
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 04:19:18 PM
It seems like most everyone here has been black pilled and are downing them by the handful.
Nihilism isn’t in my vocabulary. Nihilists are quitters, and I’ve never quit anything my life, and I’m not about to start now.
Oh the country won't literally die. We will just become an empire with a defacto oligarchical dictatorship. Elections will no longer mean anything.
Post by: Anthony on August 25, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
It seems like most everyone here has been black pilled and are downing them by the handful.
Nihilism isn’t in my vocabulary. Nihilists are quitters, and I’ve never quit anything my life, and I’m not about to start now.
Not quitting. Fighting the real fight. Paper Tigers aren't my thing, mate.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 25, 2023, 05:13:17 PM
Also, elections might be the instrument that rends the veil even further to expose the fraud. That’s what happened in 2020. We saw it, and we had to have the election happen to do that.
Uncharted waters. I have no criticism of anyone who tries to navigate them.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 25, 2023, 05:29:06 PM
"As of August 4, 2023, Republicans controlled 54.94% of all state legislative seats nationally, while Democrats held 44.35%. Republicans held a majority in 57 chambers, and Democrats held the majority in 40 chambers. Two chambers (Alaska House and Alaska Senate) were organized under multipartisan, power-sharing coalitions."
"State government trifecta is a term to describe single-party government, when one political party holds the governorship and majorities in both chambers of the state legislature.
As of August 25, 2023, there are 22 Republican trifectas, 17 Democratic trifectas, and 11 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control."
Might pay to keep an eye on these contests that occur this November:
"Eight of the country's 99 state legislative chambers are holding regularly-scheduled elections in 2023. Elections in those eight chambers represent 578 of the country's 7,386 state legislative seats (7.8%). This is the most seats up for election in an odd-numbered year since 2011.
General elections in Mississippi, New Jersey, and Virginia will take place on November 7, 2023. General elections in Louisiana will take place on November 18, 2023."
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 05:47:22 PM
Things aren't as bad as it seems for Republican control of the states. Here's what I found at https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2023 (https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2023)
"As of August 4, 2023, Republicans controlled 54.94% of all state legislative seats nationally, while Democrats held 44.35%. Republicans held a majority in 57 chambers, and Democrats held the majority in 40 chambers. Two chambers (Alaska House and Alaska Senate) were organized under multipartisan, power-sharing coalitions."
"State government trifecta is a term to describe single-party government, when one political party holds the governorship and majorities in both chambers of the state legislature.
As of August 25, 2023, there are 22 Republican trifectas, 17 Democratic trifectas, and 11 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control."
Might pay to keep an eye on these contests that occur this November:
"Eight of the country's 99 state legislative chambers are holding regularly-scheduled elections in 2023. Elections in those eight chambers represent 578 of the country's 7,386 state legislative seats (7.8%). This is the most seats up for election in an odd-numbered year since 2011.
General elections in Mississippi, New Jersey, and Virginia will take place on November 7, 2023. General elections in Louisiana will take place on November 18, 2023."
Does it break down the percentage of RINOs that in those republican held legislatures?
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 05:54:52 PM
Things aren't as bad as it seems for Republican control of the states. Here's what I found at https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2023 (https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2023)
"As of August 4, 2023, Republicans controlled 54.94% of all state legislative seats nationally, while Democrats held 44.35%. Republicans held a majority in 57 chambers, and Democrats held the majority in 40 chambers. Two chambers (Alaska House and Alaska Senate) were organized under multipartisan, power-sharing coalitions."
"State government trifecta is a term to describe single-party government, when one political party holds the governorship and majorities in both chambers of the state legislature.
As of August 25, 2023, there are 22 Republican trifectas, 17 Democratic trifectas, and 11 divided governments where neither party holds trifecta control."
Might pay to keep an eye on these contests that occur this November:
"Eight of the country's 99 state legislative chambers are holding regularly-scheduled elections in 2023. Elections in those eight chambers represent 578 of the country's 7,386 state legislative seats (7.8%). This is the most seats up for election in an odd-numbered year since 2011.
General elections in Mississippi, New Jersey, and Virginia will take place on November 7, 2023. General elections in Louisiana will take place on November 18, 2023."
It just feels like Lucy and the football. I’m trying not to be black pilled.
Post by: Lucifer on August 26, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
An Inconvenient Trump: Republicans Are Living an Enormous Lie
The rule of law has been crushed in America, while the GOP in pointless debate wonders if it can dare pardon the former president.
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The Republican primary debate charade, hosted by a hapless Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, revealed two things: Vivek Ramaswamy is a rising star, and Donald Trump dominated as the elephant not in the room.
The Democrats and the media run a constant clown show, but the Republicans play along as useless puppets, willfully participating in a system designed to destroy them. The Republican party is allowing itself to be rigged by playing by the rules of an old system that no longer exists. The Democrats, bureaucracy, and media are vicious apparatchiks. They are a dirty and obvious enemy who clearly need to be fought. The Republicans are worse because they don’t see their own participation in the Big Lie. They would rather step over Trump’s dead political body than save the republic. In so doing, they will never have power again, even if they regain it. They will be vassals of the state apparatus, nothing more … or else.
Donald Trump is not the Republican front runner. He’s the presumptive nominee. Further, he’s the most popular politician in America. Trump created a coalition that made the Rust Belt winnable. He turned Ohio, Florida, and Iowa reliably red. He made Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin gettable. In Florida, he out-won Ron DeSantis by 1 million votes.
Why the all-out assault on Donald Trump? Because in a fair system, he wins — and he wins bigly.
The assault on Trump and anyone who supported him is an attack on the only one standing in the way of generations of Democrat power, and the Republicans are pretending that America and the Republican Party can return to a Bush-era neocon Republicanism that simply doesn’t exist anymore outside the beltway.
How, pray tell, would any of the Republicans on the debate stage win in the general election? Where do they win, and how do they expand Trump’s coalition? Is their big strategy to win back Georgia and Arizona?
Only one candidate on the debate stage tangentially dealt with this reality: Vivek Ramaswamy. That every other Republican doesn’t understand the heart of the lie was revealed by Vivek. He knows that the biggest issue facing the republic is the disintegration of the rule of law surrounding the persecution and baseless prosecution of Donald Trump and anyone who supports him. Vivek says he wants to win, but not like this. Here’s his exchange with Chris Christie, Democrat operative:
The question is: Why are the rest of this Republican field okay with winning this way?
How can any Republican govern if voters can’t canvass, can’t protest, can’t speak on social media, if no attorneys can advise Republican candidates, if strategy callers can’t brainstorm ideas for winning, if legitimate lawsuits are dismissed out of hand, if free speech is not allowed? How can Republicans win against sophisticated vote-running machines? How do they win against faked, duped, and dumped ballots? How do they win against millions of dollars laundered through accounts where people didn’t actually donate to the Democrat Party? How do they win against the new Zuck Bucks? Is something magical going to happen in 2024 that sweeps these issues away?
Now that the Democrats, the State, and the media have created a playing field where they alone win, what will the uncharismatic, unserious Republicans on the debate stage do to win?
The debate questions were inane. Why did these Fox talking heads blab about whether Mike Pence did the right thing? Chris Christie, in an act of sexual servicing too shameless for even the seediest blue district, extolled Pence as a defender of the Constitution, God, and country. It was so risible that the audience laughed. Who do these folks think they’re kidding?
Speaking of Pence, he came off as a constipated church lady. A raging hypocritical one, at that. Of all people, he knows the injustice being served cold to Trump, and he cannot let charitable words pass his mouth.
Where were the questions about Biden’s corruption? What about the bribes? Why was the question about a man who is not holding office when the man holding office is compromised by America’s enemies? Just today, the Daily Mail reports that the Bidens are alleged to have taken foreign bribes.
Further, why didn’t the Republicans on the stage address Maui and the massacre there? How about plans for an economy wrecked by Joe Biden and the plight of the poor and working class? Gas prices are increasing again. Groceries are so expensive that it cost this writer $72 for the main ingredients of a spaghetti dinner. How about the failed states attempting to impose masks and restrictions when the data is clear that they do more harm than good? Are shutdowns coming? These issues affect voters every day. Meanwhile, the Republicans wax eloquent on Ukraine.
Truth has left the Republican Party, and it’s diminishing them, if that’s even possible. They can talk of the border. They can pontificate about the world-changing necessity of making Ukraine secure. They can tell everyone what they already know: Vladimir Putin is a bad guy. Noted. Now, how about something more pressing and closer to home? How about addressing the criminalization of free speech? How about addressing the conditions of Jan. 6 defendants? How about addressing using the justice system to bankrupt and persecute political enemies? How about addressing the raw, unchecked power being thrown around by the Biden administration?
Examine this list of Democrats criminalizing political enemies:
Arizona considers prosecutions of Trump electors.
Michigan prosecutes 16 GOP activists, including an opponent of the Michigan attorney general.
Michigan then charges attorneys, like Stefanie Lambert.
Wisconsin governor calls for prosecutions (meanwhile, Republicans stayed home, and the Wisconsin Supreme Court now is in Democrat hands).
The Georgia 19 are being charged for discussing election strategies.
USMC veteran Harrison Floyd is still jailed. This is an outrage. Again, the Fulton County jail is a place for enemies of the state. Floyd is being hounded by the feds.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden brags in a tweet as Trump gets prosecuted for his tweets:
Republicans don’t mention the Jan. 6 prisoners. There’s no recompense for those brought before the Jan. 6 Committee, the one that destroyed evidence. The Jan. 6 footage is still not released.
Donald Trump is facing more than 90 charges and 700 years in prison. The Republican response to this travesty of justice? Meekly raising hands saying they’d pardon him, maybe, if they became president — which will not happen in 2024 and probably not ever.
The enemy isn’t out there somewhere. Well, it is. But guess what? The average American citizen has much less to fear without than within.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation placed agents in Catholic churches to look for dissidents. The DOJ is prosecuting people and dropping charges at the last minute, just to make people suffer. The persecution is the point. Across the fruited plains, American citizens doing perfectly legal things are being arrested because they deign to disagree.
Republicans respond by whistling past the graveyard in a meaningless debate debating meaningless things.
Donald Trump is an inconvenient truth exposing the corruption of a corrupted elite. His persecution, and those of his followers, is putting the whole system on trial, and America is being found wanting. The Democrats, run by communists who would happily burn the system down in service to ideology, are being aided and abetted by Republicans who put personal ambition and hatred of Trump over love of country.
Step outside the debate and see it for what it really is: a sideshow to mollify the wicked and stupid. Not one of these candidates can win the nomination, and should the powers that be succeed in jailing or killing Donald Trump, not one can win the presidency. And if, by some random “chance,” a Republican does win the presidency, he or she will be a pleasing suit presiding over nothing and serving at the pleasure of masters greater than any one of them.
Post by: Lucifer on August 26, 2023, 06:44:52 PM
Blue State Blues: Democrats Beware, the Trump Mugshot Has Rallied the Opposition
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The mugshot of President Donald Trump has rallied the opposition behind him. And it will give the former president a mandate, should he win the election, to sweep away the rot in our government, without compromise.
Now that Democrats have shown how far they will go, Republicans will feel it necessary to prevent them from ever doing it again.
Note the half-hearted attempts by celebrities and talking heads to claim that Trump is getting what he deserves. They know the Georgia indictment is a joke — that a thousand Democratic politicians, including the prosecutor herself, could just as easily be indicted for the non-crime of claiming that elections have been stolen.
Democrats relished the idea of this moment — for years — before it happened. Yet now that it is a reality, what they should really fear is what Republicans will do in response.
Big changes will be made, and justifiably so. Secret archives will be opened. Mass pardons will be offered. Whole government departments will be dismantled or relocated. There will be no kangaroo courts — none of the perversions Democrats have committed — but the Democrats behind the “Russia collusion” hoax, including Hillary Clinton, should call their lawyers.
There will be no mercy for those who have attacked the rights and values of our constitution and then claimed to be acting in defense of democracy — a democracy they abhor when it provides leaders that do not serve their own corrupt interests.
The indictments of Donald Trump, capped by this final, vindictive effort at humiliation, are an attack on the rule of law and the foundation of our society. On social media, people mentioned the attack on Fort Sumter that launched the Civil War. And the analogy is valid, because there, too, the rebels held the advantage until the nation could regroup, and respond decisively.
Speaking personally, as a Republican voter who is broadly supportive of Trump and his policies, but who might have preferred an alternative, the persecution of Trump suggests there really is no alternative. A vote for Trump is the only way to protest what is going on, and perhaps to overcome it.
And it no longer matters whether this is all part of a clever Democratic plan to ensure that Republican voters nominate a supposedly “unelectable” candidate. It doesn’t even really matter if Trump loses this election. Few Republicans will consider that result credible. And the fight will continue, long after Trump, until the immense wrong of this moment — of six years of torment — has been remedied.
I was fearful of what a Trump mugshot might feel like. Not because of what might mean for the next election, but what it might mean for the country. I feared a sense of degradation. I feared that Democrats would not stop with Trump: the fact that the Georgia indictment — like the parallel federal indictment — criminalizes political speech really does mean they are coming for all of us.
But I found, to my surprise, once I saw the mugshot, that I felt excited, almost elated. Trump’s glowering face did not show pain or shame. It did not even show anger. It was a look of righteous indignation, the glare of a man who may be a prisoner now, but is actually in control. It was the expression he wore a thousand times on episodes of “The Apprentice.” It was how he looked when he said, “You’re Fired.”
They will all be fired, if he wins. And half the country is prepared to do whatever it takes to give him the chance.
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 26, 2023, 07:05:05 PM
Read them carefully, Joe and Stan.
I pray we can take the quotation marks from the word “election” in my lifetime. Something has to break soon.
Post by: Little Joe on August 27, 2023, 03:37:00 AM
At last, some excellent distillations of what we are facing!!! Truly superb analyses.I read them. I see where many of the people on this forum get their talking points.
Read them carefully, Joe and Stan.
I pray we can take the quotation marks from the word “election” in my lifetime. Something has to break soon.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And only mighty DJT can save us!
I really can't discuss the two posts point by point because it is such an interwoven melange of facts, theories and opinions. But it is an excellent rabble-rouser.
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 04:08:31 AM
I read them. I see where many of the people on this forum get their talking points.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And only mighty DJT can save us!
I really can't discuss the two posts point by point because it is such an interwoven melange of facts, theories and opinions. But it is an excellent rabble-rouser.
Forget all that. You don’t feel the creeping totalitarianism? The erosion of the middle class? Our high tax rate sustains a massive governmental system which exists to micromanage every aspect of our lives. You don’t have to read any talking points. It exists all around you all day every day. Name one thing you do that they aren’t controlling, limiting, or attempting to.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 27, 2023, 05:11:11 AM
🤣🤣🤣
Post by: Anthony on August 27, 2023, 07:13:39 AM
Forget all that. You don’t feel the creeping totalitarianism? The erosion of the middle class? Our high tax rate sustains a massive governmental system which exists to micromanage every aspect of our lives. You don’t have to read any talking points. It exists all around you all day every day. Name one thing you do that they aren’t controlling, limiting, or attempting to.
When you're for Authoritarian control you either don't see it because you don't mind, or want that type of control over your life, for the "greater good ". ::)
Post by: Number7 on August 27, 2023, 07:20:34 AM
When you're for Authoritarian control you either don't see it because you don't mind, or want that type of control over your life, for the "greater good ". ::)
The greater good lie has been used by fascist marxists for centuries and then those same Marxist scum start killing anyone that disagrees.
Don’t forget, Mikey what’s publicly wished for all of us to die over several of his artificial issues.
Post by: Little Joe on August 27, 2023, 07:57:55 AM
Forget all that. You don’t feel the creeping totalitarianism? The erosion of the middle class? Our high tax rate sustains a massive governmental system which exists to micromanage every aspect of our lives. You don’t have to read any talking points. It exists all around you all day every day. Name one thing you do that they aren’t controlling, limiting, or attempting to.I agree with all of that.
I guess I was trying to subtlety show that just because you form an opinion that is not shared by everyone, that does not mean you are taking your thoughts from a set of talking points, as Stan and I have been accused of doing.
I suppose I am not as pessimistic as most of this board.
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 07:59:26 AM
I agree with all of that.
I guess I was trying to subtlety show that just because you form an opinion that is not shared by everyone, that does not mean you are taking your thoughts from a set of talking points, as Stan and I have been accused of doing.
I suppose I am not as pessimistic as most of this board.
That's also a good point.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 27, 2023, 08:24:31 AM
I agree with all of that.
I guess I was trying to subtlety show that just because you form an opinion that is not shared by everyone, that does not mean you are taking your thoughts from a set of talking points, as Stan and I have been accused of doing.
I suppose I am not as pessimistic as most of this board.
Only by Number 7!!! That is HIS standard line. You won’t find me or Rush or most others ever using it. It’s a discussion-ender, which is why Number 7 uses it.
*Oh dear, I’d better brace myself for the wrath of Number 7, a semi-troll-like faceless internet voice for whom my respect tends to slowly trend downward.* Hahahaha!!!
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Only by Number 7!!! That is HIS standard line. You won’t find me or Rush or most others ever using it. It’s a discussion-ender, which is why Number 7 uses it.
*Oh dear, I’d better brace myself for the wrath of Number 7, a semi-troll-like faceless internet voice for whom my respect tends to slowly trend downward.* Hahahaha!!!
I keep saying I don’t care what Joe or Stan say, it’s what they do in the ballot box in the general that counts. Likewise N7 might be an asshole on the internet but when FL was devastated by a hurricane he organized forces in real life and physically helped those in need. Just like I don’t care what outrageous stuff Trump says about anything, it’s what he did while in office that counts with me.
Post by: Lucifer on August 27, 2023, 12:09:22 PM
Post by: Number7 on August 27, 2023, 12:22:33 PM
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1695542599921336657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1695542599921336657%7Ctwgr%5Ee2bb64d1ead6ccf0d0061eaf524afc0ab3e786a2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
With all of that some people (pussies) are whining about mean tweets and pretending that something that didn’t happen was Donald Trump’s fault.
Go figure.
Post by: Lucifer on August 27, 2023, 12:35:17 PM
With all of that some people (pussies) are whining about mean tweets and pretending that something that didn’t happen was Donald Trump’s fault.
Go figure.
In a way, it's kinda like boiling a frog.
But more important, it's apathy. People would rather be consumed with the life of some Hollyweird celebrity, who's doing what in sports or nonsense like American Idol.
Many people are unaware of politics or government, and vote based upon name recognition. The career politicians are the most corrupt, and have sold our country off piece by piece.
Post by: nddons on August 27, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
I agree with all of that.Nor am I. Are we nearing totalitarianism? Yes. Have we been here as a country in the past? Yes. Different circumstances, but we have had dark times in the past.
I guess I was trying to subtlety show that just because you form an opinion that is not shared by everyone, that does not mean you are taking your thoughts from a set of talking points, as Stan and I have been accused of doing.
I suppose I am not as pessimistic as most of this board.
Everyone on this board can do something about it. It involves work, time, money, phone calls, camping out in your state legislators’ offices, visiting your US Rep and Senators’ local offices, and effort.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: nddons on August 27, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 02:11:43 PM
Now more than ever I terribly miss Rush Limbaugh telling us not to worry, and that he will tell us when it’s time to worry. Such optimism has disappeared from conservative thought.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
I miss him too.
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/nikki-haley-unveils-campaign-slogan-i-am-a-woman
Post by: Lucifer on August 27, 2023, 06:34:48 PM
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Former Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday appeared on CBS’s “Face The Nation” and said he was confident that Trump would not be the Republican nominee.
“I remain confident, more confident after Wednesday night that the Republican nominee will not be the former President,” Mike Pence said referring to Wednesday night’s GOP primary debate.
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2023, 04:18:14 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/mike-pence-says-he-remains-confident-that-trump/
Pence is a douche.
Post by: Bamaflyer on August 28, 2023, 06:06:34 AM
Pence is a douche.
Yes he is! Another RINO and unattractive candidate for sure.
Post by: Number7 on August 28, 2023, 06:17:25 AM
Yes he is! Another RINO and unattractive candidate for sure.
He will drop into Lindsey Graham territory before long.
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 06:37:54 AM
Pence is a douche.I think that’s the word I used about Pence when I gave my synopsis of the debate.
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 10:22:48 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 28, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
Is Bernie going to run?? Ben Shapiro reported that Bernie was in New Hampshire this weekend.Bernie Sanders is slightly older than Joe Biden.
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 12:51:21 PM
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 02:07:16 PM
Bernie Sanders is slightly older than Joe Biden.Since when has that stopped a 21st century presidential run?
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2023, 05:06:57 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/ron-desantis-repeatedly-jaywalks-in-front-of-police-in-desperate-bid-to-get-arrested
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TALLAHASSEE, FL — Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis was seen last night waving around a joint in front of local police officers in a desperate attempt to get arrested and have a cool mugshot just like Trump.
"How do you do, officer? A fine morning for a marijuana!" said DeSantis, lighting a joint. "Uh-oh, look at me! I've got one of those marijuana cigarette thingies, and I'm totally smoking it! Better break out the cuffs, officer!"
DeSantis proceeded to attempt taking a puff, then instantly collapsed in a coughing fit. "Holy -- cough -- crap! That is -- cough, cough -- terrible!" shouted DeSantis, doubled over. "Who would do this? Oh man. Wait - officer, does that still count as doing a marijuana??"
According to police, the officers confiscated the apparent joint and handed the Governor a bottle of water. "Sir, this isn't weed. These are lawn clippings," said Officer Ramon Gonzales, putting out the lit end. "Even if it was weed, for a first-time offender we would just tell you to put the dang thing out and go home to your family. I know you need the mugshot sir, but I'm sorry - you're going to have to do a lot better than this."
At publishing time, DeSantis was reportedly spotted at a Wendy's asking if the officer could arrest him for getting Sprite when he only asked for a water cup
Post by: Rush on August 29, 2023, 05:27:00 AM
This is funny, I don’t care who ya are!
https://babylonbee.com/news/ron-desantis-repeatedly-jaywalks-in-front-of-police-in-desperate-bid-to-get-arrested
That is hilarious. DeSantis only needs to tweet that he thought there was fraud in Georgia in the 2020 election and they’ll come get his ass. Surprised he didn’t think of that.
Post by: nddons on August 29, 2023, 12:52:32 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/francis-suarez-suspends-presidential-campaign/ar-AA1fWVjl?OCID=ansmsnnews11
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Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2023, 01:06:46 PM
Post by: nddons on August 29, 2023, 01:39:05 PM
This is funny, I don’t care who ya are!Ok, that’s pretty funny.
https://babylonbee.com/news/ron-desantis-repeatedly-jaywalks-in-front-of-police-in-desperate-bid-to-get-arrested
Post by: Rush on August 29, 2023, 02:59:56 PM
Francis Suarez suspends presidential campaign!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/francis-suarez-suspends-presidential-campaign/ar-AA1fWVjl?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Who?
Post by: nddons on August 29, 2023, 03:27:56 PM
Who?Exactly.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 29, 2023, 03:30:57 PM
In coffee shops that call out your name, I always want to say “Kevorkian” or “Rockefeller.” Never had the nerve though.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 29, 2023, 04:07:24 PM
Exactly.”Francis, we hardly knew ye.”
Post by: Number7 on August 29, 2023, 07:36:39 PM
Francis Suarez suspends presidential campaign!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/francis-suarez-suspends-presidential-campaign/ar-AA1fWVjl?OCID=ansmsnnews11
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB/giphy.gif)
There are 14 extra votes up for grabs right there.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 07:53:14 AM
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Mike Pence demanded praise.
During last week’s GOP debate in Milwaukee, the former vice president forced his Republican opponents to thank him for allegedly saving the republic on January 6, 2021. “The American people deserve to know whether everyone on this stage agrees that I kept my oath to the Constitution that day,” Pence declared.
Unfortunately, the rest of the field complied. “Mike Pence stood for the Constitution and he deserves not grudging credit, he deserves our thanks as Americans,” former New Jersey governor Chris Christie fawned. Senator Tim Scott (R-S.C.) agreed that Pence “did the right thing.” Florida Governor Ron DeSantis admitted Pence “did his duty” and disclosed he has “no beef” with the former vice president.
In fact, the entire raison d'être for Pence’s candidacy is to give himself a national platform to brag about his self-proclaimed role in protecting the Constitution from Donald Trump’s plan to remain in power after the 2020 election. Pence, in Pence’s mind, is the hero to Trump’s villain.
But Pence appears to be rewriting the history of what he did on January 6. Contrary to his portrayal as one of the good guys on January 6, in reality, Pence is one of the bad guys.
He intentionally delayed release of a letter outlining why he did not have the authority to reject electors from contested states. Rather than publish the statement the day before or early on January 6, Pence made it public right before the joint session of Congress convened at 1:00 p.m. (He claimed Trump caused the delay since Pence wanted to wait until the president was done speaking at the Ellipse before sending the letter. Trump took the stage about an hour later than planned.)
By waiting until the last minute to make his case, Pence misled the president and Trump supporters who—justifiably or not—believed he could, or would, do something about an election that Pence himself admitted was not on the square.
Pence: Pence is a Hero
In his autobiography, “So Help Me God,” Pence portrayed himself as a prayerful defender of the Constitution, loyal to God and country over Donald Trump; the word “Constitution” appeared 155 times in his self-aggrandizing memoir. Pence, according to Pence, is truthful to a fault, always choosing his oath of office over political expediency.
Except his version of what happened on January 6 calls into question his honesty. Pence’s version does not match sworn testimony given by his top aides to the January 6 Select Committee last year. According to Pence, he woke up early that day, said a prayer, and went to work writing a statement to explain why he would not follow the advice of John Eastman, a legal advisor to Trump, and others who suggested Pence could delay the certification of Joe Biden’s election.
The subheading of the chapter documenting his actions on January 6 is Psalm 15:4: “Who keeps an oath even when it hurts.”
In that chapter, Pence offered a dramatic timeline of the morning of January 6 as he prepared his statement. “I labored over my words to make sure they conveyed my position clearly and my determination to fulfill my oath under the Constitution that day,” Pence wrote. “I addressed it to the members of the House and Senate, but my true audience was the American people.”
After finishing his statement, Pence said he prayed again. But then something odd happened, he revealed. “I started to close the document but thought that since there had been so many versions, maybe I should print it first just in case. So I hit ‘Print’ and then thought I saved the document on my desktop computer. But when I tried to open the draft, as I had feared, it had not been saved and all the changes I had made since the day before were completely gone.” Pence claimed his daughter quickly retyped the statement into his computer off the printed version.
According to Pence, Marc Short, his chief of staff, and Greg Jacob, his general counsel, arrived “late morning” to review the final draft, which he said had been emailed to them. Shortly thereafter, Trump called Pence at 11:00 a.m. and that’s when he lowered the boom on Trump. Once again boasting about his “forthright” character, Pence wrote how he told the president, “I do not believe I possess the power to decide which electoral votes to count.”
Conflicting Accounts Between Pence and His Advisors
But Short and Jacob told the select committee a much different story. The two aides, along with Chris Hodgson, Pence’s legislative director, headed to Pence’s residence around 8:30 a.m., a few hours earlier than Pence claimed in his book. And contrary to Pence’s portrayal as the sole author of the memo, Short and Jacobs described the statement as “a joint effort.”
Short told committee investigators, “we were finalizing a letter that the Vice President would release publicly later that day. So we were making final tweaks to that together.” He also said the four men reviewed the document on a “laptop,” not on Pence’s desktop computer.
Jacob confirmed Short’s description of the morning of January 6. “When we met up at the residence that morning, we were really just trying to get the statement finalized,” Jacobs told the committee.
Neither man mentioned the story about Pence failing to save the document or how his daughter needed to retype it for him.
Pence also omitted a somewhat consequential piece of the morning’s timeline: an earlier phone call from Trump. Jacob told the committee that a military aide interrupted their meeting around 9:15 a.m. to tell Pence the president was on hold. Pence excused himself to take the call, which according to Jacob, lasted between “15, 20 minutes.”
Pence did not share details of the conversation with his aides. It’s also unclear whether Pence informed the president during the discussion that he was in the process of preparing a statement he would later release to Congress and the public.
Why the Inconsistencies?
So, why did Pence omit this from his book? After all, he recounted the conversation that took place at 11:00 a.m. Why not the first call?
And why did Pence mischaracterize, to put it kindly, how the final statement came together? There’s nothing unusual or inappropriate about staff helping to draft a letter. But why did Pence make it sound like he alone produced the document? And why did he give a false account of when his team arrived and their key involvement?
Pence also gave a different account of how he and his family traveled to the Capitol. In his book, Pence gave the impression he rode with his wife and daughter in the official motorcade. Seeing throngs of Trump supporters as he made his way to the building around noon, Pence said, “I turned to my daughter and said with a sigh, ‘God bless those people. They’re gonna be so disappointed.’”
But Short told the committee that he alone rode with Pence to the Capitol. Mrs. Pence and their daughter, Charlotte, were in “a separate vehicle.”
Again, why the inconsistencies? It’s one thing to fabricate, or overlook, inconsequential details when writing an autobiography. It’s quite another to misrepresent what happened on such an historic day, a day that serves as the entire basis of a run for president.
Pence’s preaching about his heroic role on January 6 deserves more than just fawning admiration from his Republican opponents.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 08:43:25 AM
I didn’t buy it then and I never will.
Post by: Number7 on August 30, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 04:32:42 PM
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Democratic Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. joined Fox News host Jesse Watters to discuss numerous topics such as his presidential campaign, Biden’s health, and more.
At one point during the interview, Watters switched gears and asked Kennedy, “Have you seen the Trump mug shot?” to which Kennedy replied, “Yeah, I did see it.”
Kennedy then explained further and stated, “It was an interesting and probably very shrewd decision for him to put on that very defiant face. I think it’s very popular with his base.”
The Democratic presidential candidate further elaborated, “I wonder whether he practiced it in front of the mirror or whether he was just angry at the time and that reflected what he did. But I thought, from a strategic point of view, it worked very well for him.”
Kennedy also shared, “I had a mugshot when I was arrested in Puerto Rico in 2001 when I was doing a protest against the Navy.”
WATCH:
Watters: Do you think the mugshot appeals to a Democrat base in any way?
RFK Jr: I had a mugshot when I was arrested in Puerto Rico when I was doing a protest against the Navy.. pic.twitter.com/uFbjogxfte
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 30, 2023
Trump’s mugshot did work really well for him.
The Trump campaign has reported they have raked over $7.1 million since Trump had his mugshot taken in Fulton County.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 31, 2023, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 31, 2023, 09:27:18 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 31, 2023, 10:04:02 AM
https://vimeo.com/857918759/2bd39f690a?share=copy
any bets on whether or not ol POS will have the guts to watch that video?
Post by: Rush on September 01, 2023, 01:59:30 AM
Hillary is still not president, and never will be president. ;D
Her time has come and gone. They wouldn’t try to shoehorn her in now would they? Assassinate Trump and run her. Blech. I’d rather have Kamala. At least she makes me laugh every time she opens her mouth.
Post by: Lucifer on September 01, 2023, 02:31:39 AM
Her time has come and gone. They wouldn’t try to shoehorn her in now would they? Assassinate Trump and run her. Blech. I’d rather have Kamala. At least she makes me laugh every time she opens her mouth.
Every time that bitch sits for an interview, and every time she gets in front of a camera, she needs to be reminded, “you lost twice, and you will never be president”.
Post by: Rush on September 01, 2023, 03:10:51 AM
Every time that bitch sits for an interview, and every time she gets in front of a camera, she needs to be reminded, “you lost twice, and you will never be president”.
She thinks she already was. Remember when she said “We are the president.” That was around the time she came up with that byzantine universal healthcare plan. What a psycho control freak. But then I describe all leftist authoritarians.
Post by: Lucifer on September 01, 2023, 03:43:35 AM
She thinks she already was. Remember when she said “We are the president.” That was around the time she came up with that byzantine universal healthcare plan. What a psycho control freak. But then I describe all leftist authoritarians.
Yep, I remember right after Bubba got elected she announced it would be a “co-presidency” and then the bitch insisted on sitting in on staff meetings.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 01, 2023, 04:58:49 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 01, 2023, 06:57:26 AM
even the doormat's handlers realized that bubba's approval ratings when up when the doormat wasn't out being seen.
Hillary is one of the most unlikable people on Earth next to Megan Rapinoe.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 02, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 02, 2023, 10:06:21 AM
I wonder where they got that info???
Post by: Old Crow on September 02, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
Gee... and AP was all about how the mugshot had eroded the support for President Trump.Pulled it outta their ass
I wonder where they got that info???
Post by: Lucifer on September 02, 2023, 01:42:27 PM
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CNN
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In an urgent appeal to wealthy Republicans who had assembled in Milwaukee ahead of the first GOP presidential primary debate, top brass for the super PAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis told donors they needed an injection of $50 million over the next four months, according to leaked audio obtained by CNN.
“We just need your help getting $50 million more by the end of the year, and $100 million more by the end of March,” Never Back Down CEO Chris Jankowski told donors hours before DeSantis stepped on the stage Aug. 23, according to the audio. “I’m not worried about the second 50. We need the first 50.”
Throughout an hour-long presentation, Jankowski, chief operating officer Kristin Davison and chief strategist Jeff Roe walked donors through their inside view of how DeSantis is faring just five months before the Iowa caucus kicks off primary season. Their frank but upbeat assessments touched on perceived shortcomings in media exposure compared to the Trump campaign, their push to lean more heavily on Florida first lady Casey DeSantis and their goal of getting more than 100,000 Iowans to caucus for DeSantis.
Among the information shared was the “DeSantis index,” an in-house metric that measures the likelihood someone will back the Florida governor.
“If you have an education, if you have higher income, if you read the Bible and if you go to church regularly, you happen to be a DeSantis supporter,” Roe told the room.
The audio provides an inside look at the strategy behind a super PAC that has assumed an unusually outsized role in DeSantis’ presidential campaign – one that has attracted the attention of campaign finance watchdogs and has, at times, led to friction with DeSantis’ official operation. The tension spilled into the open just days before the Milwaukee event, when the super PAC released a memo with debate pointers for DeSantis. The unsolicited advice was poorly received.
Never Back Down – initially funded in large part by $82.5 million transferred from DeSantis’ state political committee – has operated as a de facto shadow campaign for the governor. It has assumed traditional campaign duties, including building out an extensive field operation in early nominating states, training operatives, enlisting endorsements from local leaders and planning DeSantis’ travel and staging his events. Last week, DeSantis toured northwest Iowa on a bus operated by Never Back Down.
Roughly 60 donors attended the fundraising lunch, hosted at a DoubleTree hotel blocks away from the debate venue, sources familiar with the event details told CNN. Among the attendees was Dallas businessman Roy Bailey, the former co-chair of the Trump campaign’s finance committee who has since changed allegiances.
Davison told CNN Thursday “every investor wants to see how you get to the final round and how you win, and almost all the donors left confident that that we had a clear path to victory to help the governor win.”
The super PAC arranged the pre-debate fundraiser at a critical juncture in the campaign for DeSantis. After a month-long shakeup of his political operation to address stalled poll numbers and cost overruns, the debate was seen internally as a moment for the Florida governor to rally fundraisers and supporters for its aggressive fall campaign.
While it was up to DeSantis to deliver a performance that could quell outstanding concerns fears about his viability, his super PAC was privately working to reassure a room of wealthy individuals – described on the recording as a mix of DeSantis’ loyal backers and longtime GOP donors – of its long-term strategy.
The pitch appeared structured to convince donors the super PAC had a plan for their dollars if they would open up their pocketbooks. A fundraising goal of $50 million by the end of the year would exceed the $47 million the super PAC raised on its own between its March launch and the end of June. Almost half of that money came from one source, Nevada businessman and space entrepreneur Robert Bigelow, who recently told Reuters he intended to refrain from further contributions until DeSantis could demonstrate he’s “able to generate more on his own.”
The additional resources would help cover $25 million in airtime Never Back Down plans to purchase after Labor Day through Halloween in New Hampshire and Iowa, according to a source with understanding of the super PACs strategy. The fall television advertising – likely to be extended to Thanksgiving – is an unexpected expense that Never Back Down has nevertheless taken on, the source said.
Jankowski, Davison and Roe spent much of their presentation hyper-focused on former President Donald Trump and his inherent ability to out-gain all other GOP candidates in earned media, meaning organic and free coverage on television, online and in newsprint. Both Davison and Roe emphasized the positive impact Trump’s indictments are having on the former president’s White House bid, something they used to try and persuade donors to help them overcome.
“Donald Trump probably gets roughly at least $30 million of earned media every single day. We’re number two, with roughly $5 (million) to $6 million every single day. Where you see the spikes are after every indictment,” Davison said. “After every indictment, it goes up to $100 million of earned media, and in a presidential race, no news is bad news. What we really learned in 2016 is that Donald Trump dominated earned media and we see it happening now.”
Roe, meanwhile, made very clear how problematic this is for DeSantis, arguing that Trump is not only a major threat to DeSantis, but to the GOP at large.
“We can’t lose to Trump. If Trump’s the nominee, we’re gonna lose the White House. If we lose the White House, we’re gonna lose the Senate. And if we lose the Senate, we’re gonna lose the House. And [Democrats] are going to be in charge of the full House, Senate and White House for at least two years,” Roe told the audience.
Roe further suggested Democrats would add two new states if given the chance, including Puerto Rico. DeSantis while serving in the US House co-sponsored a bill authored by Puerto Rico’s representative in Congress to provide the US territory with a path to statehood.
Though Never Back Down officials warned Trump’s legal troubles present a challenge, they insisted it had not hardened Republicans’ resolve to nominate him once again.
“Trump gets a bump every time he gets indicted. But there are fewer and fewer and fewer people that will support him in the party,” he added.
The PAC representatives walked the crowd through their internal plans for improving DeSantis’ likeability with voters who remain on the fence. One of the key takeaways from their data, they said, is how messaging around DeSantis’ “bio” — mainly his military record, his family and his background as “a blue-collar worker” — plays better with voters than other topic areas. Super PAC advisers acknowledged many Republicans were unaware DeSantis is the only veteran in the race or that he was a father.
DeSantis mirrored that biographical emphasis later that night at the debate. He called himself a “blue collar kid” who “worked minimum wage jobs to be able to make ends meet” and he touched on his personal responsibilities as a husband and dad to three young kids. He emphasized his military experience at several points, noting that he was “assigned with” and deployed “alongside” Navy SEALs — leaving out that he was a JAG lawyer.
Enlarging Casey DeSantis’s role, specifically, is something super PAC officials said they view as a crucial way to boost the governor’s campaign. “With her help, they convert an entire room,” Davison said of the governor’s wife. “She just brings a level of humility and warmness.”
The group also spent much of their presentation boasting that Never Back Down has undertaken an unprecedented operation, arguing they will change the way presidential politics rely on PACs for decades to come.
In recent presidential cycles, super PACs have leveraged their ability to raise unlimited sums to pay for digital and television advertisements, one of the costliest expenses for a political operation.
“Our role is really new and it’s even grown to play a role like no other PAC in a presidential race,” Jankowski said. “We are hosting events. We’ve been doing fundraising online. We are doing advertising. We have built a political program in the early states and beyond like none other. And, you know, simply put, Never Back Down is changing the game.”
Roe claimed the super PAC’s data operation had developed extensive knowledge of Republican primary voters and caucus goers. That data told them Georgia was “our best state” given the demographics and that “79% of the people tonight are going to watch the debate and turn it off after 19 minutes.”
“We’re tracking these people all the time,” he said.
Federal rules prevent presidential candidates and their campaigns from coordinating with supportive super PACs. Many Republican strategists and campaign veterans have questioned the arrangement between DeSantis’ campaign and the super PAC, pointing to the limitations of running a political operation from the outside. It is also the subject of a complaint filed with the Federal Elections Commission by the Campaign Legal Center, a watchdog group, which alleged a violation of campaign finance laws.
Post by: Rush on September 02, 2023, 02:06:55 PM
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“We can’t lose to Trump. If Trump’s the nominee, we’re gonna lose the White House. If we lose the White House, we’re gonna lose the Senate. And if we lose the Senate, we’re gonna lose the House. And [Democrats] are going to be in charge of the full House, Senate and White House for at least two years,” Roe told the audience.
Be that as it may, it’s a done deal. There’s virtually zero chance DeSantis or anyone else will over take him. You’ll have to assassinate him or somehow get him off the ballot and if you do that, I guarandamntee an R won’t win the general.
It is what it is.
Post by: Anthony on September 02, 2023, 06:23:31 PM
Gee... and AP was all about how the mugshot had eroded the support for President Trump.
I wonder where they got that info???
From the Fascists that run them. AP and UPI used to be real news sources. Now, propaganda.
Post by: Number7 on September 02, 2023, 06:57:29 PM
From the Fascists that run them. AP and UPI used to be real news sources. Now, propaganda.
I remember when the three networks had newsmen, not personalities.
Chet Huntley
Walter Cronkite
John Chancellor
John Cameron Swayzee
Post by: nddons on September 02, 2023, 08:00:15 PM
Be that as it may, it’s a done deal. There’s virtually zero chance DeSantis or anyone else will over take him. You’ll have to assassinate him or somehow get him off the ballot and if you do that, I guarandamntee an R won’t win the general.4 and a half months before the Iowa Caucus, and it's a done deal? That's why they hold the votes.
It is what it is.
Also:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwnCDboNAUa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Post by: Anthony on September 03, 2023, 02:15:24 AM
I remember when the three networks had newsmen, not personalities.
Chet Huntley
Walter Cronkite
John Chancellor
John Cameron Swayzee
Walter Cronkite was a huge Leftist and admitted it when his career was over. When he said the war in Vietnam was lost, it was the most irresponsible thing a reporter with that much clout could say. Asshole.
Post by: Rush on September 03, 2023, 04:03:49 AM
4 and a half months before the Iowa Caucus, and it's a done deal? That's why they hold the votes.
Also:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwnCDboNAUa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
He’s 100% right.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 03, 2023, 04:35:13 AM
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Three weeks ago, the MI GOP Director of Election Integrity, Phil O’Halloran, gave Patty McMurray and Jim Hoft of the Gateway Pundit a stunning MI State Police report that was FOIA’d by a Muskegon resident (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/now-we-have-proof-tgp-exclusive-massive-2020/) who questioned the outcome of his race in the 2020 election. The report is based on an investigation that was initiated on October 8, 2020, that was eventually taken over by the FBI in 2022.
Post by: Number7 on September 03, 2023, 05:37:50 AM
It was a coup.
Treason is punishable by death and those fucks need to be rounded up and hanged.
Post by: Username on September 03, 2023, 07:07:41 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 03, 2023, 07:26:59 AM
If DeSantis was to drop out, where would his supporters go? Are they mostly "anyone but Trump" or mostly Trump supporters who think he can't win the general? Or a mix?
Hard to say at this point. One part of those supporters are the ones that want another establishment guy in the WH.
Post by: Username on September 03, 2023, 07:47:30 AM
Hard to say at this point. One part of those supporters are the ones that want another establishment guy in the WH.Maybe I'm way out of touch with the common person. Are there really people out there that want an establishment president? Most people I talk to, left and right, want anything BUT an establishment president. Government the way it's always been is clearly not working. The argument is how to fix it. Sure, the MIC and elites and the political class love the establishment as it's a great way to funnel funds from the proletariat. The people are getting very unhappy.
Post by: Lucifer on September 03, 2023, 08:02:42 AM
Maybe I'm way out of touch with the common person. Are there really people out there that want an establishment president? Most people I talk to, left and right, want anything BUT an establishment president. Government the way it's always been is clearly not working. The argument is how to fix it. Sure, the MIC and elites and the political class love the establishment as it's a great way to funnel funds from the proletariat. The people are getting very unhappy.
GWB was a great example of a establishment guy. He would "reach across the aisle", make good speeches and such. We learned later on that much of his policies are now coming back to haunt us.
BTW, notice how much the dims love this guy now?
The establishment in DC has been pushing the narrative "just let us put one of our own in the race, and the dims won't cheat this time". Sadly, you have people believing that.
But you are right, it's far and few people that are going for it. This is why you see the dismal polling for the establishment types running right now.
Post by: Rush on September 03, 2023, 09:19:51 AM
If DeSantis was to drop out, where would his supporters go? Are they mostly "anyone but Trump" or mostly Trump supporters who think he can't win the general? Or a mix?
I think most DeSantis supporters would hold their nose and vote for Trump. Anyone who supports DeSantis can’t possibly want to risk another Biden term.
Post by: Lucifer on September 04, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
Post by: Little Joe on September 04, 2023, 01:02:06 PM
If DeSantis was to drop out, where would his supporters go? Are they mostly "anyone but Trump" or mostly Trump supporters who think he can't win the general? Or a mix?I have been a DeSantis supporter because I have been following him for around 10 years and I have liked what he has done and how he has always kept his promises, and because I though he could win. But it appears he is not getting his message out and I'm no longer sure of his "winnabililty".
I'm still looking for someone that I think has a better chance of winning than Trump, but at this late date, I can't imagine who that would be.
So if it looks like Trump has the best chance of winning come Florida's primary, I will probably vote for Trump, and support him enthusiastically.
And when Biden wins again, I will help raise the stock prices of a couple of bourbon and scotch distillers.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 04, 2023, 01:59:06 PM
I have been a DeSantis supporter because I have been following him for around 10 years and I have liked what he has done and how he has always kept his promises, and because I though he could win. But it appears he is not getting his message out and I'm no longer sure of his "winnabililty".I don't know the conditions under which people placing bets on this can win, but as of today the "electability" of Republican candidates is quite surprising:
I'm still looking for someone that I think has a better chance of winning than Trump, but at this late date, I can't imagine who that would be.
So if it looks like Trump has the best chance of winning come Florida's primary, I will probably vote for Trump, and support him enthusiastically.
And when Biden wins again, I will help raise the stock prices of a couple of bourbon and scotch distillers.
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
Suddenly Haley is at the top of the list (as of the time of this post) at 72.7%. Trump is in fourth place at 41.3%. On the other hand, the list of candidates is exactly reversed on who bettors think will win the Republican nomination:
https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html)
Post by: Lucifer on September 04, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
And I'm not running.
Post by: Lucifer on September 04, 2023, 08:10:57 PM
Post by: Little Joe on September 05, 2023, 03:10:20 AM
I have a better chance of being the republican candidate and winning than Haley.Dream on.
And I'm not running.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 05, 2023, 04:38:45 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/abandon-ship-another-desantis-super-pac-denounces-florida/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/abandon-ship-another-desantis-super-pac-denounces-florida/)
Abandoning the sinking ship.
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2023, 06:26:34 AM
i've always hoped he would run WITH President Trump, instead of against him.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 07:24:45 AM
If DeSantis was to drop out, where would his supporters go? Are they mostly "anyone but Trump" or mostly Trump supporters who think he can't win the general? Or a mix?Since 90%+ (my estimation only) of DeSantis supporters were also Trump supporters in the past, most of us made this decision due to the fact that we don’t believe he can win the general, and yes, we would support Trump if he’s the nominee.
Contrast that to many Trump supporters who have said they would vote for RFK or not vote instead of supporting the conservative nominee if it was not Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 07:28:11 AM
Contrast that to many Trump supporters who have said they would vote for RFK or not vote instead of supporting the conservative nominee if it was not Trump.
I think that's been way overplayed and hyped up, and just more demonization of Trump supporters.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 07:35:13 AM
I think most DeSantis supporters would hold their nose and vote for Trump. Anyone who supports DeSantis can’t possibly want to risk another Biden term.It wouldn’t be “holding our nose” in the common sense way like we’ve been having to for decades as conservatives - GHWB, Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, etc etc.
It’s more of a sense of impending doom that a democrat will win because an undamaged candidate should be able to defeat whatever candidate the DNC throws into the general, but we have a severely wounded candidate.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 07:50:57 AM
I don't know the conditions under which people placing bets on this can win, but as of today the "electability" of Republican candidates is quite surprising:Wow, that’s an interesting inversion. Exactly what the democrats want Republicans to accomplish.
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
Suddenly Haley is at the top of the list (as of the time of this post) at 72.7%. Trump is in fourth place at 41.3%. On the other hand, the list of candidates is exactly reversed on who bettors think will win the Republican nomination:
https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html)
Post by: Rush on September 05, 2023, 07:59:23 AM
Wow, that’s an interesting inversion. Exactly what the democrats want Republicans to accomplish.
Niki Haley’s at the top because she’s got a vagina. I guess a lot of betting men weren’t insulted by her saying men can’t do anything, women can and I’m a woman so elect me, at the debate. Go figure.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
I think that's been way overplayed and hyped up, and just more demonization of Trump supporters.This from a guy who claims that people who back DeSantis want an establishment guy in the White House? That kind of demonization?
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 09:26:34 AM
This from a guy who claims that people who back DeSantis want an establishment guy in the White House? That kind of demonization?
Sorry you can't accept that RDS is receiving a huge amount of establishment donations, and is dependent upon them in his campaign.
He hitched his horse to the wrong cart. Had he went the small donor route and asserted his independence from the establishment, he might have done (a little) better.
But yes, he does appeal to those who desire yet another establishment "Bush type" republican.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 09:48:23 AM
Sorry you can't accept that RDS is receiving a huge amount of establishment donations, and is dependent upon them in his campaign.Even the establishment has to vote for someone. Running for president costs two billion dollars, minimum. DeSantis doesn’t have those resources, and you can’t get there with small donors.
He hitched his horse to the wrong cart. Had he went the small donor route and asserted his independence from the establishment, he might have done (a little) better.
But yes, he does appeal to those who desire yet another establishment "Bush type" republican.
That doesn’t mean he’s owned by those donors, nor that he is a “Bush type” Republican. Stop regurgitating everything Trump says.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 09:48:28 AM
Sorry you can't accept that RDS is receiving a huge amount of establishment donations, and is dependent upon them in his campaign.Even the establishment has to vote for someone. Running for president costs two billion dollars, minimum. DeSantis doesn’t have those resources, and you can’t get there with small donors.
He hitched his horse to the wrong cart. Had he went the small donor route and asserted his independence from the establishment, he might have done (a little) better.
But yes, he does appeal to those who desire yet another establishment "Bush type" republican.
That doesn’t mean he’s owned by those donors, nor that he is a “Bush type” Republican. Stop regurgitating everything Trump says.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
Even the establishment has to vote for someone. Running for president costs two billion dollars, minimum. DeSantis doesn’t have those resources, and you can’t get there with small donors.
That doesn’t mean he’s owned by those donors, nor that he is a “Bush type” Republican. Stop regurgitating everything Trump says.
I'm not regurgitating anything. I'm stating facts, which with a little research, can be proved out.
His inner circle and his major PAC are all big time establishment republicans. His donor list reads like a who's who of the establishment world. Think those donors aren't expecting something in return for their "investment"?
Team RDS has tried to keep the establishment connections under wraps, without a lot of success. As of lately, his donations are starting to dry up as the big donors are seeing little progress in his campaign, hence why they are looking for another candidate.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 05, 2023, 10:38:07 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 10:45:04 AM
"Establishment Republican" appears to be defined as any Republican not supporting Trump. Slap that label on any and all you feel like and no further thoughtful consideration needed. Ad hominem at its core.
Your ignorance is showing, once again.
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2023, 11:00:26 AM
"Establishment Republican" appears to be defined as any Republican not supporting Trump. Slap that label on any and all you feel like and no further thoughtful consideration needed. Ad hominem at its core.
It is relatively easy to track political donations, even pacs, unless you are trying to track dark democrat money.
President Trump doesn't seem to be getting the same PAC money that Governor DeSantis is taking in.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 11:32:04 AM
It is relatively easy to track political donations, even pacs, unless you are trying to track dark democrat money.Like the $10,589,052 that Trump raised from Walt Disney Company in the 2020 cycle. I wonder what Disney wanted for their “investment” in Trump.
President Trump doesn't seem to be getting the same PAC money that Governor DeSantis is taking in.
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2023, 11:54:40 AM
Like the $10,589,052 that Trump raised from Walt Disney Company in the 2020 cycle. I wonder what Disney wanted for their “investment” in Trump.
They didn't seem to get it based on how much they seem to hate him and us.
It would be worse with DeSantis because he already kicked their asses twice recently and would seem fine with doing so again.
Post by: Steingar on September 05, 2023, 01:21:33 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 05, 2023, 02:26:17 PM
Your ignorance is showing, once again.Enlighten me by defining "Establishment Republican" so I don't have to ask you if a person falls under your definition.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
There is something wrong with the Universe, I find myself agreeing with Number 7. According to my readings DeSantis has raked in quite a bit of money from big GOP donors, what you all would call "Establishment Republicans". tRump on the other hand has been drawing funds in from small donors, something DeSantis has been so far unable to do. The rub is DeSantis will run out of big donors, they're small in number. tRump will never run out of small ones.
Submitted for Number 7
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Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 08:11:48 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 07, 2023, 08:51:15 AM
It's not like he is and has been anything but a tool for them to use against another President Trump administration.
The moment he has served his purpose they will toss him away like a used tampon.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 07, 2023, 07:39:19 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 08, 2023, 12:29:22 AM
"Establishment Republican" appears to be defined as any Republican not supporting Trump. Slap that label on any and all you feel like and no further thoughtful consideration needed. Ad hominem at its core.
Not for me. Rand Paul comes to mind. Name another non-Establishment Republican.
Who isn't Uniparty in the GOP?
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 02:28:50 AM
Not for me. Rand Paul comes to mind. Name another non-Establishment Republican.
Who isn't Uniparty in the GOP?
Rand Paul doesn’t support Trump? Serious question, I don’t actually know. Not gonna google right now because I just woke up and I’m grumpy.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 08, 2023, 04:57:02 AM
Rand Paul doesn’t support Trump? Serious question, I don’t actually know. Not gonna google right now because I just woke up and I’m grumpy.Better than waking up Dopey or Sneezy 8)
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 05:11:59 AM
Better than waking up Dopey or Sneezy 8)
I’m turning into one of those old people that goes to bed at 8:00 and wakes up at 3:30 am and wonders why I can’t go back to sleep.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 08, 2023, 05:18:24 AM
I’m turning into one of those old people that goes to bed at 8:00 and wakes up at 3:30 am and wonders why I can’t go back to sleep.No!!! #MeToo!!! The up side is that I get some very nice quiet time being the only one up for a while. But my husband slowly is synchronizing with me.
There’s a wonderful Arabic word, soubhiyé, which means that specific time in the morning when you can enjoy the quiet house with a cup of coffee before anyone else is up.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 08, 2023, 05:28:51 AM
I’m turning into one of those old people that goes to bed at 8:00 and wakes up at 3:30 am and wonders why I can’t go back to sleep.I'm usually up until 10:00, sometimes 11:00 and back up around 7:00 or when the sun starts peeking in. My wife will generally start out in bed but often has to move out to the love seat recliner for comfort returning to the bed in the early morning hours and sometimes sleeping until 10:00 or later.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 05:32:21 AM
No!!! #MeToo!!! The up side is that I get some very nice quiet time being the only one up for a while. But my husband slowly is synchronizing with me.
There’s a wonderful Arabic word, soubhiyé, which means that specific time in the morning when you can enjoy the quiet house with a cup of coffee before anyone else is up.
Yes, that is the upside. The challenge is to make the coffee without waking up husband. I grind my own beans. The grinder goes “GGGGRRRRRRRGGGGGRRRRRR” while I’m banging around getting mugs out of the cupboard and cream out of the fridge and spoons out of the drawer. Poor guy. I try to be quiet, I really do.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 05:37:26 AM
I'm usually up until 10:00, sometimes 11:00 and back up around 7:00 or when the sun starts peeking in. My wife will generally start out in bed but often has to move out to the love seat recliner for comfort returning to the bed in the early morning hours and sometimes sleeping until 10:00 or later.
My husband has been consistent since the day we married. He goes to sleep at 9:00 pm. Not 8:59, not 9:01, but 9:00 on the dot. And I mean sleep. He turns the light out, and within 5 seconds he’s snoring. Every night, for 38 years. He got up at 5:00 when he worked but now might sleep til 6:00. Unless my coffee making wakes him up. :-\
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 08, 2023, 05:48:23 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 08, 2023, 05:52:54 AM
My husband has been consistent since the day we married. He goes to sleep at 9:00 pm. Not 8:59, not 9:01, but 9:00 on the dot. And I mean sleep. He turns the light out, and within 5 seconds he’s snoring. Every night, for 38 years. He got up at 5:00 when he worked but now might sleep til 6:00. Unless my coffee making wakes him up. :-\This seems to be the case with men. During the awfullest times raising the kids my husband would fall asleep when his head hit the pillow whilst I would lie there wide awake and fretting. I’ve read that men are better at compartmentalizing than women, and I think it’s true. They’ll deal with whatever it is in the morning.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 06:10:39 AM
This seems to be the case with men. During the awfullest times raising the kids my husband would fall asleep when his head hit the pillow whilst I would lie there wide awake and fretting. I’ve read that men are better at compartmentalizing than women, and I think it’s true. They’ll deal with whatever it is in the morning.
Oh my God that is exactly him! Literally when his head hits the pillow! I ask him how he does it and he just says, “I dunno, I just close my eyes.” It must be the compartmentalizing. Our house floods, he goes right to sleep. Our kid gets a cancer diagnosis, he goes right to sleep. He loses his job, he goes right to sleep. This stuff all concerns him greatly but somehow sleep still happens right on schedule. He’s able to turn it off and like you said, deal with it in the morning. What a fantastic ability. I guess men evolved that way so they could sleep when the could in the middle of fighting wars with danger all around.
Post by: jb1842 on September 08, 2023, 06:16:08 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 06:28:27 AM
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 06:57:07 AM
Not for me. Rand Paul comes to mind. Name another non-Establishment Republican.Senator Ron Johnson, R, Wisconsin
Who isn't Uniparty in the GOP?
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 06:59:08 AM
Rand Paul doesn’t support Trump? Serious question, I don’t actually know. Not gonna google right now because I just woke up and I’m grumpy.I took the question as “name a non-establishment Republican”, not whether or not they support Trump.
I answered with Ron Johnson as an example.
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 07:00:51 AM
I’m turning into one of those old people that goes to bed at 8:00 and wakes up at 3:30 am and wonders why I can’t go back to sleep.My wife is going through insomnia too. She is blaming the end of menopause. Usually up at 3:00 or so. Usually gets less than 4-5 hours of sleep.
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 07:03:08 AM
Yes, that is the upside. The challenge is to make the coffee without waking up husband. I grind my own beans. The grinder goes “GGGGRRRRRRRGGGGGRRRRRR” while I’m banging around getting mugs out of the cupboard and cream out of the fridge and spoons out of the drawer. Poor guy. I try to be quiet, I really do.Would it really matter if you ground your beans before you went to bed? Legitimate question. I’m a Folgers out of the can and into the percolator kind of guy.
Post by: Number7 on September 08, 2023, 07:04:53 AM
Would it really matter if you ground your beans before you went to bed? Legitimate question. I’m a Folgers out of the can and into the percolator kind of guy.
If you put them in an airtight container after grinding, couldn't they be in the fridge until 4 AM?
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 07:36:53 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 08, 2023, 07:41:14 AM
If you put them in an airtight container after grinding, couldn't they be in the fridge until 4 AM?
Would it really matter if you ground your beans before you went to bed? Legitimate question. I’m a Folgers out of the can and into the percolator kind of guy.Rush will answer that. I have a hard time thinking of appropriate, ladylike profanity this early in the morning.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 08:14:44 AM
Rush will answer that. I have a hard time thinking of appropriate, ladylike profanity this early in the morning.
What came to mind was, Bite your tongue! Heresy! Probably not enough profanity as it warrants.
No, you can’t grind it the night before and put it in the fridge. You might as well use pre-ground Folgers (sorry Stan).
Good Lord. It’s like the difference between Phyllis Diller and Raquel Welch.
Post by: Number7 on September 08, 2023, 08:15:07 AM
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1699945645430247711?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1699945645430247711%7Ctwgr%5Ec083cff8c0d0186be50b9e6ad7d544d32431b2ed%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
NOTHING says corrupt like democrat.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 08, 2023, 08:30:00 AM
...
Good Lord. It’s like the difference between Phyllis Diller and Raquel Welch.
well, that is certainly a vivid descriptive way of putting it.
YIKES
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 08, 2023, 08:55:38 AM
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
What came to mind was, Bite your tongue! Heresy! Probably not enough profanity as it warrants.Wow! I feel threatened! Lol
No, you can’t grind it the night before and put it in the fridge. You might as well use pre-ground Folgers (sorry Stan).
Good Lord. It’s like the difference between Phyllis Diller and Raquel Welch.
Married 40 years in November and still need to add one more thing to the risk of what not to talk to women about.
Thank God I’m a life-long learner.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 09:53:11 AM
Wow! I feel threatened! Lol
Married 40 years in November and still need to add one more thing to the risk of what not to talk to women about.
Thank God I’m a life-long learner.
Ha ha ha! I don't think it's really a female thing. Take Black Rifle Coffee for instance. Not much estrogen in that company. My older brother is an even bigger coffee snob than I am. He still roasts the beans himself. I gave up doing that. It's a big mess.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 10:02:44 AM
My wife is going through insomnia too. She is blaming the end of menopause. Usually up at 3:00 or so. Usually gets less than 4-5 hours of sleep.
Yep, menopause will do it. I do sleep better since I started hormone replacement therapy. If your wife considers that I recommend the bio-identical kind, not the pharmaceutical variety made from horse piss.
I might wake up at 3 but if I was asleep by 9 that's 6 hours. About half the time I'll sleep 7-8 hours. Before hormone replacement I was doing about 4-5 like your wife.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 10:06:00 AM
Me getting out of bed wakes him up for a minute or two. So I dash out and grind the coffee before he goes back to sleep. I have been known to put a towel over the grinder, and in good weather I’ll even take it outside and use an outlet on the side of the house. But generally I’m too interested in coffee to be that considerate.
Ha ha ha! I put a couple pot holders under the grinder to mute the vibrations through the counter. I don't think it helps much. I'll have to try putting a towel around the top of it too. Outside, HAHAHA!! I definitely am too interested in coffee to bother taking the grinder outside.
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 10:23:24 AM
Ha ha ha! I put a couple pot holders under the grinder to mute the vibrations through the counter. I don't think it helps much. I'll have to try putting a towel around the top of it too. Outside, HAHAHA!! I definitely am too interested in coffee to bother taking the grinder outside.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230908/a27b8f427e9d8eb8fb6223d0564d4649.jpg)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 08, 2023, 10:26:07 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 08, 2023, 10:27:44 AM
Senator Ron Johnson, R, Wisconsin
I don't know anything about him.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 10:54:04 AM
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That is the exact coffee my mother drinks. When I visit her I bring my own beans and I have a manual grinder I keep at her house. I also have a pour over device there. I can’t drink her swill. To be fair, her drip machine doesn’t get washed enough, that doesn’t help.
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
I don't know anything about him.https://www.britannica.com/topic/University-of-Minnesota
Post by: nddons on September 08, 2023, 11:09:28 AM
That is the exact coffee my mother drinks. When I visit her I bring my own beans and I have a manual grinder I keep at her house. I also have a pour over device there. I can’t drink her swill. To be fair, her drip machine doesn’t get washed enough, that doesn’t help.https://youtu.be/0mZJ8yjM1Uk?si=yVqLoxP-cfzTkVMl
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 08, 2023, 01:36:50 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 08, 2023, 04:23:46 PM
Personally think Nikki Haley would be better at attracting moderates to the ticket than Noem, though either would be fine.
Post by: Rush on September 08, 2023, 06:19:18 PM
Trump is in Rapid City this evening to attend a state GOP fundraising event. They had invited Trump but were surprised that he accepted, so they had to switch to a larger than planned venue. The state would vote Republican even without a visit, so the pundits are unsure why Trump would spend time in a sure-win state. Kristi Noem is expected to endorse Trump this evening. No person can hold the office of South Dakota governor more than two terms, so she's out in 2026 regardless. The speculation is that she is vying for the VP spot. She had declined to run for president if Trump ran.
Personally think Nikki Haley would be better at attracting moderates to the ticket than Noem, though either would be fine.
I hear Trump will talk at 10? I’ll be asleep. :(
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 08, 2023, 06:53:10 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 07:41:48 PM
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 04:56:14 AM
Did anyone think this wasn’t going to happen?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 09, 2023, 06:06:21 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 06:25:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 07:09:41 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1700321246292897965
Wonder how long it will be before she comes under investigation and being indicted?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 09, 2023, 07:11:11 AM
Wonder how long it will be before she comes under investigation and being indicted?Less than twelve months.
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 07:11:21 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2023, 07:12:52 AM
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 07:42:40 AM
Post by: nddons on September 09, 2023, 12:06:26 PM
Trump is in Rapid City this evening to attend a state GOP fundraising event. They had invited Trump but were surprised that he accepted, so they had to switch to a larger than planned venue. The state would vote Republican even without a visit, so the pundits are unsure why Trump would spend time in a sure-win state. Kristi Noem is expected to endorse Trump this evening. No person can hold the office of South Dakota governor more than two terms, so she's out in 2026 regardless. The speculation is that she is vying for the VP spot. She had declined to run for president if Trump ran.Anthony! The next future ex-Mrs Anthony may become the next VP!
Personally think Nikki Haley would be better at attracting moderates to the ticket than Noem, though either would be fine.
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 01:16:14 PM
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1700570271663427946
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2023, 07:34:20 PM
It is kind of fun, in a sick sort of way, to watch mikey pence burning his ambitions and image to ashes, while attempting to court liberals and rinos that hate him any way.
It's not like he is and has been anything but a tool for them to use against another President Trump administration.
The moment he has served his purpose they will toss him away like a used tampon.
mikey seems to be falling down the mountain with voters at a positive pace…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/09/09/poll-mike-pence-grows-more-unpopular-among-gop-electorate/
Post by: Anthony on September 10, 2023, 02:58:18 AM
Anthony! The next future ex-Mrs Anthony may become the next VP!
She's just spectacular in every way. I could never be that fortunate.
Post by: Anthony on September 10, 2023, 02:59:04 AM
Me want.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1700570271663427946
Right on!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 10, 2023, 06:11:21 AM
Post by: Rush on September 10, 2023, 07:17:05 AM
A recent poll showed Nikki Haley solidly ahead of Biden. Seems like folks believe she can pull in the women's vote.
Wasn’t that a CNN poll? Not sure I believe it.
Post by: Lucifer on September 10, 2023, 07:26:03 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 10, 2023, 08:03:22 AM
A recent poll showed Nikki Haley solidly ahead of Biden. Seems like folks believe she can pull in the women's vote.She could also pull in my vote.
Post by: Lucifer on September 10, 2023, 08:24:03 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 10, 2023, 09:06:18 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 10, 2023, 09:24:42 AM
Post by: Rush on September 10, 2023, 09:33:54 AM
Meanwhile, Styx stabbed himself in the hand with one of his swords.
Yeah I’m hoping he elaborates on that in his livestream tomorrow.
Post by: Rush on September 10, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
Great Styx episode. To me there’s no mystery at all why DeSantis can be “a cutthroat Governor” but a failing presidential candidate. In Florida, he followed his instincts. In the national race, he’s listening to handlers, who are Trump and America haters, and grifters, basically. Therefore he does not resonate with Americans who are “tired of the shit” government is throwing at us.
Yes and he quite correctly points out the problem DeSantis has strategizing which would hamper him in the general if he were nominated.
Post by: Rush on September 10, 2023, 09:40:33 AM
Who is this Anton? Shipping of what? Well, it’s something called “biltong” and other foods from South Africa. So I ordered some, and a Styx T-shirt. Like I don’t already have way too many T-shirts.
https://www.antonsusa.com/
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2023, 07:07:49 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2023, 08:07:18 AM
Nikki Haley Urges Republicans To Keep Giving Billions In Support To Ukraine: ‘Don’t Go Pulling Out Now’
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Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said during an interview over the weekend that Republicans should be in favor of sending additional support to Ukraine in its war against Russia, arguing that it only constituted a small portion of the U.S. defense budget.
Haley made the remarks during a Sunday interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” when asked about the G20 not condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in this year’s statement.
“It was a win for Russia and China. They’re celebrating today,” Haley said. “I mean, what we should have had was, Biden should have really pushed hard to acknowledge what he acknowledged a year ago, that Russia invaded a pro-American, freedom-loving country. And that’s a fact. And to deny a fact a year later is giving a win to Russia.”
Tapper then asked if some House Republicans were making a mistake by “fighting to strip $24 billion in aid to Ukraine out of the upcoming government spending bill.”
Haley responded, “I think that you have to look at the fact that 3.5 percent has been spent from our defense budget towards Ukraine. That’s just 3.5 percent. That percentage of GDP, 11 countries have spent more than us.”
“We know that Russia has said, once they take Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics are next, and then you’re looking at a full-on war,” she continued. “What we’re trying to do is prevent war. That’s a pretty good return on investment to prevent war.”
“I think that we need to continue giving them equipment and ammunition with our allies to win,” she said, adding that she did not want to put troops on the ground.
“Republicans and Democrats should not pull an Afghanistan,” Haley continued. “Don’t go pulling out now.”
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2023, 02:21:11 PM
Speaking of Styx, I finally got curious about the oft repeated “Greetings from Anton’s of Roanoke Texas, use promo code Styx and get free shipping.”
Who is this Anton? Shipping of what? Well, it’s something called “biltong” and other foods from South Africa. So I ordered some, and a Styx T-shirt. Like I don’t already have way too many T-shirts.
https://www.antonsusa.com/
OH MY!! The "biltong" arrived. It's incredible!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 11, 2023, 04:17:23 PM
OH MY!! The "biltong" arrived. It's incredible!You knew I’d do this!!! Looked it up. Eat in moderation only, not frequently or in large amounts. Preserved meats apparently can contain mycotoxins that grow on them. Peligro!!!
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2023, 04:49:59 PM
You knew I’d do this!!! Looked it up. Eat in moderation only, not frequently or in large amounts. Preserved meats apparently can contain mycotoxins that grow on them. Peligro!!!
Yes, it came with detailed instructions on storage and several paper bags. It is to be refrigerated and if moisture appears I am to remove it from the original bag and put it in the paper bag. It is more moist than jerky and made without preservatives but the spices have natural anti-microbial properties. It is to be eaten within 5 days of removing from the original bag. I got the small bags of already sliced biltong. (One of them is Wagyu, the others are Angus and all-natural Angus beef.) There will be no problem whatsoever eating each bag within 5 days of opening. My husband loves it too. We haven’t even opened the Wagyu one yet, I’m guessing that might be even better.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 12, 2023, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: Little Joe on September 12, 2023, 04:28:50 PM
Post by: nddons on September 12, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
Not sure this is the most relevant thread for this, but found it interesting to watch:I love how she laughs in the face of the “intelligence community” like Klapper, and their sycophantic democrat conspirators in Congress.
Post by: Number7 on September 12, 2023, 07:38:59 PM
Fuck them all.
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2023, 01:23:27 AM
I love how she laughs in the face of the “intelligence community” like Klapper, and their sycophantic democrat conspirators in Congress.
Not saying they're like the STASI or KGB and politically weaponized for the Fascist Democrats. Not saying that at all.
Post by: Lucifer on September 15, 2023, 07:52:37 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Married South Dakota governor Kristi Noem and Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski have been having a years-long clandestine affair
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12509093/Kristin-Noem-Corey-Lewandowski-secret-affair.html
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A rising Republican star tipped by many to be Donald Trump's running mate should he win the presidential nomination has been involved in a clandestine affair for years, multiple sources tell DailyMail.com.
Married South Dakota governor Kristi Noem, 51 – who stresses her belief in 'family values' – and Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski, who is also married, began carrying on in 2019, if not before.
Now news of the relationship threatens to wreck Noem's chances of joining Trump's ticket in a potential rematch with President Joe Biden.
Neither denied the affair when asked by DailyMail.com. The Governor issued a statement attacking us for the timing of the article, while Lewandowski did not respond to a request for comment.
The two met up on Friday last week when Lewandowski traveled with Trump to Rapid City, South Dakota, for a campaign rally. But the pair – who were made aware of a pending story about their relationship – were careful to have no public interaction in contrast to previous occasions, as DailyMail.com’s exclusive photos show.
Glamorous Noem – who served four terms as her state's only member of the US House of Representatives – won the governorship in 2018 promising to uphold the wholesome family values that she said South Dakotans have 'long embraced'.
Defending 'traditional marriage', which she defined as 'a special, God-given union between one man and one woman', was particularly important to her.
It was the foundation for her beliefs, policy priorities and the ideals she lives by, said Noem, who has a son and two daughters with her husband Bryon who she married in 1992.
She has long been linked with Lewandowski, 49, who has been pushing hard for Trump to add her to his ticket.
‘He may not be very smart, but it takes big balls to lobby to have your mistress named one of the most powerful people in the country,' one GOP operative told DailyMail.com.
The far-right website American Greatness claimed in 2021 the two had been romantically involved, although it gave no details.
At the time she scornfully dismissed the story as 'total garbage and a disgusting lie', and said she loved her husband and was 'proud of the God-fearing family' they had raised, and the story quickly died.
But a DailyMail.com investigation has uncovered extensive evidence of the couple's romantic relationship: Dozens of trips that mixed business with pleasure, flights on donors' private planes, and stays at luxury resorts where their intimacy was observed and noted.
Former Trump operative Charles Johnson wrote in a Substack post that he had seen them acting 'in a very flirtatious manner' at the August 2020 meeting of the Republican Attorneys General Association (RAGA) at The Cloister resort on Sea Island, Georgia.
Johnson told DailyMail.com he had seen Noem discreetly take Lewandowski's hand and put it in her lap. Lewandowski put his arm on her back at the same time.
The pair 'seemed to be dating despite being married to other people', Johnson wrote on Substack.
Two other sources who were at the RAGA event were surprised by the obvious affection between Noem and Lewandowski.
Post by: nddons on September 15, 2023, 09:01:43 AM
The liberals and RINO's are out to destroy her now that she endorsed Trump. They are sending a message to anyone who dares defy them.Fucking media.
EXCLUSIVE: Married South Dakota governor Kristi Noem and Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski have been having a years-long clandestine affair
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12509093/Kristin-Noem-Corey-Lewandowski-secret-affair.html
Post by: Lucifer on September 15, 2023, 09:06:06 AM
Fucking media.
The media is only being compliant. The DC establishment is behind this, and wanting her destroyed. Rest assured the Turtle has his hands in this.
Post by: Little Joe on September 15, 2023, 09:44:57 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 15, 2023, 11:06:24 AM
Fucking lying ass, coward ass, communist media cunts and democrats.
The above is not meant to ignore the lying as, corrupt, fucking pigs of the fbi and doj.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 15, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 15, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
Never before would I have thought I would like to be Corey Lewandowski.
I don't believe it, but shit happens. I certainly hope it's not true.
Post by: Rush on September 15, 2023, 11:49:03 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 15, 2023, 03:37:07 PM
I couldn’t care less who’s banging whom.
It could be a character issue and a bit hypocritical since she pushes "family values". I'm not saying you can't be for family values, be a good person otherwise and have affairs. Maybe she has some type of agreement with her husband, or they have an open marriage. Who knows?
I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat.
Post by: Little Joe on September 15, 2023, 04:19:04 PM
It could be a character issue and a bit hypocritical since she pushes "family values". I'm not saying you can't be for family values, be a good person otherwise and have affairs. Maybe she has some type of agreement with her husband, or they have an open marriage. Who knows?Is there any real evidence about this, or is this just wishful thinking on the left?
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I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat.Me too.
Post by: Anthony on September 15, 2023, 05:21:14 PM
Is there any real evidence about this, or is this just wishful thinking on the left?
Me too.
Nothing substantiated, so it's probably all B.S. I was speaking hypothetically as if it were true.
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2023, 09:43:12 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 16, 2023, 02:04:38 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 16, 2023, 02:16:48 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2023, 02:23:55 PM
RFK, Jr is polling exceptionally well, and now that the DNC has disavowed him and cut him out of the primaries, it looks like he's going third party which guarantees FJB will be tossed out.
Then there is the Kamala problem.
Yes yes.....the dims have painted themselves in a corner by letting the radicals run their party. We are watching the DNC implode.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 16, 2023, 02:26:42 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2023, 02:45:04 PM
I think they'll just eliminate RFK Jr., get him out of there.
Unfortunately, you may be right.
RFK,Jr offers a lot to the moderate democrats that the DNC has abandoned. If the DNC allowed an actual primary to take place, RFK,Jr would easily win against FJB.
The DNC wants to install a candidate rather than letting the voters choose one.
Post by: Little Joe on September 17, 2023, 03:36:52 AM
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Top Democrats’ Bullishness on Biden 2024 Collides With Voters’ Worries
Party leaders have rallied behind the president’s re-election bid, but as one top Democratic strategist put it, “The voters don’t want this, and that’s in poll after poll after poll.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/17/us/politics/biden-democrats-voter-concerns.html
This might play well for the R candidate; most likely Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
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A growing number of polls are showing voters concerned about President Biden’s age and energy. Democratic lawmakers have hesitated to offer full-throated endorsements of his running mate. Prominent commentators have ruminated on whether he should drop out of the presidential race.
This series of political vulnerabilities — along with House Republicans announcing an impeachment inquiry and the Justice Department indicting Biden’s son on gun charges — is now sending waves of anxiety through parts of the Democratic Party, as some fret about whether the man who helped oust Donald Trump from the White House may not have the vitality, at 80, to successfully prevent a return.
“He is in a period of his life where passing and death is imminent,” said Sharon Sweda, the leader of the Democratic Party in Lorain County in Ohio, who said she often hears from voters worried about the president’s potential frailty. “We are all on a ticking clock. But when you’re at his age or at Trump’s age, that clock is ticking a little faster, and that’s a concern for voters.”
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
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On Friday evening, a man was arrested at a Robert F. Kennedy Jr. campaign event in Los Angeles. The man was allegedly impersonating a U.S. Marshal and carrying pistols with extra ammunition.
After speaking with LAPD, I was told his name is Adrian Paul Aispuro (D.O.B 08-13-79). He has only been charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Aispuro’s bail has been set at $35,000.
I followed up by asking LAPD why Aispuro hasn’t charged with impersonating a federal agent, but LAPD wasn’t able to provide me with any details. I have also reached out to the Los Angeles District Attorney’s office.
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Post by: Number7 on September 19, 2023, 09:32:09 AM
When they carefully forget to charge him with impersonating a federal agent it means he probably is, or recently was one.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2023, 10:53:10 AM
https://twitter.com/GovernorShapiro/status/1704095982193877181?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1704173082712104992%7Ctwgr%5E6870948b25c6d3b5273b654c7d6528c14dd92fab%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 19, 2023, 02:28:00 PM
Some quotes:
According to the latest Yahoo News/YouGov survey of 1,636 U.S. adults, which was in the field from Sept. 14 to 18, Biden and Trump would now tie at 44% apiece among registered voters if the 2024 election were held today. Another 7% remain undecided, while 4% say they would not vote.
(...)
A CNN poll released earlier this month showed more than half, or 56 percent, of Democrats are “seriously concerned” Biden’s age is negatively impacting a variety of factors, including his physical and mental competence and his ability to win the 2024 election.
A Wall Street Journal poll published earlier this month similarly found 73 percent of Americans and roughly two-thirds of Democrats surveyed said the phrase “too old to run for president” captures Biden at least “somewhat well.”
Despite any concerns over the incumbent’s health and age, the poll found Biden and Trump are neck and neck in a hypothetical match-up, with Trump having a 1-point edge over Biden — 50 percent to 49 percent.
The CBS News/YouGov poll surveyed 4,002 U.S. adult residents between Sept. 12-15. The margin of error is 2.1 points.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2023, 02:31:38 PM
Time is running out for candidates to register in states for primaries. And with the dim super delegate scheme, no one can qualify anyway.
FJB will eventually bow out, and a brokered convention will produce...............Gavin Newsom.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2023, 02:32:19 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anxiety-ripples-through-the-democratic-party-over-biden/ar-AA1gUi5V
She had to throw Trump in there. It's not just about age. Trump is vigorous, energetic and with it. Biden is a fucking vegetable!
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2023, 06:43:50 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 20, 2023, 08:17:06 AM
Post by: Rush on September 20, 2023, 08:45:06 AM
First time I've seen Trump beating Biden in the election betting odds. The odds are likely to bounce back and forth, so I took a snapshot as of 9:15 MDT.
He’s also beating him in some polls, doing better than the corresponding polls before 2020.
Post by: Old Crow on September 20, 2023, 11:52:37 AM
Post by: Rush on September 20, 2023, 11:55:44 AM
Some truth to this
What’s that in his hand, a TV remote? Looks like he’s looking out the window.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2023, 04:10:04 PM
What’s that in his hand, a TV remote? Looks like he’s looking out the window.
CZ-75.
Post by: Rush on September 21, 2023, 02:52:03 AM
CZ-75.
Well obviously. I don’t know why I didn’t see that.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 21, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2023, 11:45:14 AM
‘Waiting for him to drop out’: DeSantis’ influence nosedives in Florida
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is losing his clout in Florida.
College boards, stacked with DeSantis appointees, are rejecting job candidates with ties to the governor.
The chair of the Republican Party of Florida urged executive committee members to attend all GOP candidate events — giving cover to party faithful who want to attend a dinner at Mar-a-Lago with former President Donald Trump.
And the board that oversees many of Florida’s affordable housing programs this month placed on leave its executive director, who was helped into the job by a top DeSantis adviser.
Interviews with nearly two dozen lobbyists, political consultants and lawmakers revealed that DeSantis’ struggles as a presidential candidate have already eroded his influence in Florida. There is a widespread expectation that his candidacy will end in failure. His standing at home may depend on how long he slogs forward in the presidential campaign — and how he will manage his exit from the race if he eventually drops out.
Now, it may be just a matter of time before Florida Republicans, once unflinchingly loyal, seek distance from DeSantis and his hardball governing methods.
“You don’t get the assumption they are measuring drapes anymore — they are waiting for him to drop out,” one long-time Republican consultant in Tallahassee said of those working for the governor. The consultant, like others quoted in this story, was granted anonymity to freely discuss the sensitive situation.
State Rep. Daniel Perez, the Miami Republican in line to become the next state House speaker, urged his GOP colleagues this week to move more carefully in the future, saying that “the problem with wielding the power of government like a hammer is that the people start looking like nails.”
Perez insisted his comment was not a “message to the governor,” but added, “That being said, the Legislature can’t work alone, the Legislature works with the governor.”
And no matter how he framed his comments, Perez’s words were being viewed as a rejoinder to DeSantis. One Tallahassee lobbyist said it was a signal that the “conveyor belt” Legislature that passed whatever DeSantis wanted is coming to an end.
DeSantis is one of Florida’s most powerful governors and has used his influence and sway over the past five years to transform politics in the state, including getting the Republican-controlled Legislature to bow to his agenda.
He reshaped the state’s education system by installing allies in top university positions and pushed legislation that limits how race and gender are taught. He endorsed dozens of K-12 school board candidates in the wake of the pandemic in an effort to help Republicans control all levers of state government. He’s used his power to suspend elected officials, including two Democratic prosecutors, while strong-arming his own party to approve congressional redistricting maps that favored Republicans.
He’s also known for his combative streak, willing to fight major corporations like the Walt Disney Co., Google and the cruise line industry.
But DeSantis’ troubles on the campaign trail have emboldened some in his party who are exhausted by his aggressive tactics. The state party last week rescinded a loyalty pledge that would have obligated the GOP primary candidates to endorse the eventual Republican presidential nominee, a stunning turnaround made at the behest of Trump supporters and against DeSantis’ wishes.
A major lobbyist in Tallahassee said: “There’s no love lost between the Legislature and DeSantis. ... They are faking it. They are waiting long enough to see the king drained of all his power. It’s a slow-motion coup.”
Beyond the capitol, trustees at Pasco-Hernando State College, a small public school near Tampa, bucked DeSantis this week by choosing a new president over an official from the governor’s administration, state Juvenile Justice Secretary Eric Hall, who was a finalist for the position, the Tampa Bay Times reported this week.
It was surprising, because the majority of trustees of the college were appointed by DeSantis in June.
Earlier this month, the board of the Florida Housing Finance Corporation, the state’s affordable housing agency, placed its executive director on leave over allegations that he created a hostile work environment, among other issues. The executive director, Mike DiNapoli, was appointed by DeSantis.
And billionaire Ken Griffin, who moved to Miami recently, previously spent $10 million total on DeSantis’ 2018 and 2022 gubernatorial elections. But he told CNBC that he’s sitting out the 2024 cycle and doesn’t understand who DeSantis is trying to appeal to.
The governor still has his supporters — and those who fear him. Most of the people interviewed for this story were granted anonymity because they worried about retribution.
State Rep. Alex Andrade, a Pensacola Republican who endorsed DeSantis, contended that the governor continues to enjoy strong support among legislators and said sarcastically that it was “shocking that some people in politics are fair weather actors.”
“He’s still a very effective governor, he’s the most effective governor I have had a front seat to watch,” Andrade said. “He still has the veto pen.”
Andrade also added: “I see him as governor. I couldn’t care less what is going on nationally.”
GOP House Speaker Paul Renner, who also endorsed the governor, said DeSantis had the “session of the century” just a few months ago and that “you would have to go back to Jeb Bush to find a governor with this kind of a record.” Bush, notably, ran for president in 2016 but dropped out after the South Carolina primary because he was unable to excite the electorate.
“Not having a perfect record is not a sign of collapsing strength,” Renner said.
Likewise, the state Republican chair, Christian Ziegler, has pledged to remain neutral in the presidential race despite the recent move urging some party members to attend all GOP events just days after Trump invited Florida Republicans to a dinner at his South Florida resort.
Yet some state lawmakers are still bitter that DeSantis’ campaign asked Florida lawmakers to fundraise for him ahead of the GOP debate in August, according to a former Republican officeholder who spoke with them.
“Few members of the Legislature have a relationship with Ron DeSantis,” the person said. “He’s like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. You can’t get to him. All you hear about is the great and powerful Oz.”
Bryan Griffin, press secretary for DeSantis’ campaign, asserted that the Florida Legislature and state leaders support the governor.
“Of course lobbyists, the D.C. crowd, and the agenda-driven college board members will have unpleasant things to say — Ron DeSantis stood up to all of them to do the right thing and deliver for his constituents,” he said in a statement.
State lawmakers will likely be hesitant to openly defy the governor in the immediate future. But the next legislative session, beginning in January, will be underway as Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina are voting, and early wins by Trump could effectively end DeSantis’ campaign and dilute his clout in Florida.
Asked about the governor’s standing in Florida, the Trump campaign described DeSantis as “dropping like a rock,” and “failing badly.”
This week, three different Republican members of Florida’s congressional delegation, including Trump stalwarts Reps. Matt Gaetz and Byron Donalds, also began floating their names as candidates for the governor’s race that’s three years away, a move viewed by many as a sign of DeSantis’ waning influence since they wouldn’t rely on his endorsement.
Democrats, who have little power under the GOP-supermajority Legislature, say they’re also seeing signs of the governor’s dwindling power. House Minority Leader Fentrice Driskell of Tampa predicted that if DeSantis were to lose the GOP nomination, he would be a very weak lame-duck governor.
“I don’t know that the Legislature is going to play ball with him in the same way that they have previously,” she said, though she pointed out that DeSantis would still wield power over the budget.
State Rep. Vicki Lopez, a Miami Republican who had been an advocate and lobbyist over the past few decades before getting elected last year, said it was a “unique” situation to have a governor running for president.
But Lopez predicted that once Perez becomes speaker, lawmakers would again drive the agenda — not the governor.
“I remember a time when the House was the House, the Senate was the Senate, and oh, by the way, there’s the governor’s office on the plaza level [of the state Capitol],” she said.
Post by: Number7 on September 22, 2023, 04:49:53 PM
No one since Jeb has had such positive impacts on a Florida and that infuriates the political class.
Fuck them all.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2023, 05:20:37 PM
Post by: Number7 on September 22, 2023, 06:24:44 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1701656952533594342
That is all well and good, however, Ron DeSantis has been WONDERFUL. For Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2023, 06:25:30 PM
That is all well and good, however, Ron DeSantis has been WONDERFUL. For Florida.
No doubt.
Post by: Little Joe on September 23, 2023, 03:15:07 AM
That is all well and good, however, Ron DeSantis has been WONDERFUL. For Florida.I agree, but the downside is that all the refugees from blue states want to come here. It is getting so crowded here that yesterday I had to wait at an intersection through three changes of a red light. Traffic is a big reason I moved away from Atlanta.
On the other hand, the three New York "refugee" families that moved into my neighborhood sport either Trump or DeSantis banners and bumper stickers.
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2023, 04:44:19 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2023, 04:51:11 AM
I hope nobody ever decides to move here. Except my kids of course.
I need to move in the next two years or less as we're being inundated with Leftists Urbanites, suburbanites from closer in Burbs and Indians who love anything brand oriented that shows they're in whatever Upper Class they think they should be as that is what they are used to. McMansions, and Teslas, BMW and Benz are all they will drive. Boy do they love Teslas.
Post by: Little Joe on September 23, 2023, 04:54:51 AM
I need to move in the next two years or less as we're being inundated with Leftists Urbanites, suburbanites from closer in Burbs and Indians who love anything brand oriented that shows they're in whatever Upper Class they think they should be as that is what they are used to. McMansions, and Teslas, BMW and Benz are all they will drive. Boy do they love Teslas.I think you should move . . .
to Texas.
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2023, 04:59:03 AM
I think you should move . . .
to Texas.
That would be a good choice, but I have my heart set on going back to somewhere in or near the Rockies. Just want to get away from these narcissistic, brainwashed Leftists. Oh, and they drive like shit.
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2023, 05:45:14 AM
That would be a good choice, but I have my heart set on going back to somewhere in or near the Rockies. Just want to get away from these narcissistic, brainwashed Leftists. Oh, and they drive like shit.
I don’t know how anyone can stand to live around them. Here, everyone is busy all the time just working at real jobs, jobs that are the foundation of all the shit people like you are describing consume.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2023, 08:30:26 AM
Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
The real divide isn’t between black & white or R & D. It’s between the 80% of people who still believe in our Founding ideals and the fringe 20% who wish to apologize for a nation founded on those ideals. And half the 20% are people younger than me who were never taught or learned those ideals…
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2023, 08:53:39 AM
This guy nails it:
Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
The real divide isn’t between black & white or R & D. It’s between the 80% of people who still believe in our Founding ideals and the fringe 20% who wish to apologize for a nation founded on those ideals. And half the 20% are people younger than me who were never taught or learned those ideals…
Never exposing the young to those ideals will be lethal for this nation.
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2023, 09:50:56 AM
Never exposing the young to those ideals will be lethal for this nation.
They're actually being taught to hate rights, freedoms and liberty.
Post by: Little Joe on September 23, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
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The old rule about incumbents was that if they are under 50 points in approval, they're toast.
President Joe Biden is under 40.
There's almost no chance he's going to win. I've never heard of an incumbent polling under 40 points who went on to win reelection. When it comes to Joe Biden, three in six recent polls had him in the thirties. In one recent poll, President Biden was at an abysmal 32 percent.
Sorry, but that's unrecoverable. You're just telling yourself sweet little lies if you think he can win with those numbers.
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2023, 01:07:03 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/mr-president-youre-going-lose-trump-were-begging-you-step-down-opinion-1829100
Cenk is an idiot who hates America and wants to turn it communist. He’s not wrong about Trump vs Biden but he ignores the fact of Dem cheating which is why Biden “won” in 2020 and why he may “win” again in 2024.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2023, 01:28:33 PM
RFK,Jr will go third party, he has to because the DNC will never allow him to run in the democrat party.
RFK,Jr going third party will siphon off FJB voters at an alarming rate, so much so the cheating may not stop it.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2023, 01:30:56 PM
They still don't get it.
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
The 800 pound gorilla in the room the dims don't want to talk about is RFK,Jr.
RFK,Jr will go third party, he has to because the DNC will never allow him to run in the democrat party.
RFK,Jr going third party will siphon off FJB voters at an alarming rate, so much so the cheating may not stop it.
I want this to happen so bad.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 24, 2023, 05:20:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2023, 06:35:27 AM
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court has banned absentee ballot drop boxes in the state.
Wisconsin Public Radio reports, “The majority decision was written by Justice Rebecca Bradley and joined by the rest of the court’s conservative majority, including swing Justice Brian Hagedorn.”
“Nothing in the statutory language detailing the procedures by which absentee ballots may be cast mentions drop boxes or anything like them,” Bradley wrote in the ruling.
“WEC’s staff may have been trying to make voting as easy as possible during the pandemic, but whatever their motivations, WEC must follow Wisconsin statutes,” Bradley continued. “Good intentions never override the law.”
Additionally, voters must personally deliver absentee ballots to the clerk’s office. Others, including roommates and spouses, will not be allowed to deliver ballots for them.
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2023, 07:09:06 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/wisconsin-supreme-court-bans-absentee-ballot-drop-boxes/
Refresh my memory. Didn’t Wisconsin do something involving the SC lately that permanently made them Dem?
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2023, 07:17:35 AM
Refresh my memory. Didn’t Wisconsin do something involving the SC lately that permanently made them Dem?
There's been a firestorm lately in the WI SC, maybe Stan has a better opinion of what's going on there.
The US constitution is clear, the state legislatures make election laws, not the Governor, not the Secretary of State and not the courts. Recently we saw the Governor of PA enact voter registration automatically with DL issue or renew. Now all they need is to mail out ballots to "everyone" then have ballot harvesters go into action.
It's got everything to do with ballots, and it's not about votes.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2023, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2023, 11:28:49 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/wisconsin-supreme-court-bans-absentee-ballot-drop-boxes/
Then there is this: https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-absentee-ballot-drop-boxes-are-illegal-wisconsin
Notice the date on the article.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 24, 2023, 11:44:20 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2023%2F09%2F23%2Frobert-f-kennedy-jr-flirts-with-the-libertarian-party%2FI doubt he'd be nominated by the Libertarian delegates in the May 2024 convention. If he is it should secure a win for Trump even against election fortification.
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2023, 12:48:29 PM
I doubt he'd be nominated by the Libertarian delegates in the May 2024 convention. If he is it should secure a win for Trump even against election fortification.
Yep. But he’s not libertarian enough to run as a libertarian. He’s not libertarian at all actually. Several of his proposals would boost inflation and hurt the economy such as mandated minimum wages, free childcare, strengthening unions.
He’s going to “lower energy costs” by restricting exports. Not drill more here at home? Stifling the energy industry and telling them they can’t sell abroad devalues our energy industry and boosts China, Russia and the Mideast’s. Somehow under Trump we had historically low prices AND were net exporters. It was almost as if the libertarian free market principle was working!
However if he wants to run with the Libertarian or any other third party, I’ll be tickled pink when it hands Trump the White House.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2023, 08:54:14 PM
Glenn Youngkin is not running for president. Or is he?
Virginia’s Republican governor has become the dream candidate for many in the donor class
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2023, 03:23:53 AM
https://archive.ph/HOX9Q
Glenn Youngkin is not running for president. Or is he?
Virginia’s Republican governor has become the dream candidate for many in the donor class
He’d be insane to fall for it. The donor class can pound sand.
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2023, 05:26:23 AM
He’d be insane to fall for it. The donor class can pound sand.
The donor class is desperate for an establishment candidate. RDS was their guy, and he's flamed out.
I look for RDS to drop out. Time is running out for them to bring in a new horse.
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2023, 05:43:11 AM
The donor class is desperate for an establishment candidate. RDS was their guy, and he's flamed out.
I look for RDS to drop out. Time is running out for them to bring in a new horse.
They’d be using Youngkin and they’d destroy him like they did DeSantis. Unless somebody JFK’s Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2023, 05:48:31 AM
They’d be using Youngkin and they’d destroy him like they did DeSantis. Unless somebody JFK’s Trump.
IMO, Youngkin has figured this out. The donor class was desperate to get an establishment candidate in, and the republican grifters talked RDS into running. At first, the donors poured millions backing RDS, which of course the grifters have feasted on.
The donors want a new candidate, and the grifters want a new source of income. The question is, who?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 25, 2023, 09:53:25 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3737)
Where can Biden start a war to deflect this?
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2023, 05:59:35 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 25, 2023, 07:04:05 PM
p.s. Why would Kamala accept a step back?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 25, 2023, 07:09:17 PM
Post by: Number7 on September 25, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
Interesting theory
p.s. Why would Kamala accept a step back?
“Show me the man and I will show you the crime…’
They have whatever they need to push the bitch out of nancy the hag’s nephew’s way…
Post by: Little Joe on September 26, 2023, 02:58:45 AM
Interesting theoryBecause the alternative would not be a face saving safety net.
p.s. Why would Kamala accept a step back?
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 06:11:28 AM
Interesting theory
p.s. Why would Kamala accept a step back?
It comes after a closed door meeting with various democrats in a back room. They bring in some files supplied to them by their pals in the intel community, show them to Kamala and tell her these will be leaked to various media outlets, unless she agrees to step down and take the California senate position.
Remember back when they got rid of Spiro Agnew because they were getting ready to get rid of RMN. Neither the republicans or the democrats wanted a President Agnew. The compromise was Gerald Ford.
Post by: Number7 on September 26, 2023, 06:17:57 AM
It comes after a closed door meeting with various democrats in a back room. They bring in some files supplied to them by their pals in the intel community, show them to Kamala and tell her these will be leaked to various media outlets, unless she agrees to step down and take the California senate position.
Remember back when they got rid of Spiro Agnew because they were getting ready to get rid of RMN. Neither the republicans or the democrats wanted a President Agnew. The compromise was Gerald Ford.
Many people referred to Gerald R. Ford as Nixon's revenge, which is how I think of the coward john roberts, as gw bush's revenge on all of us.
Post by: Username on September 26, 2023, 06:24:40 AM
It comes after a closed door meeting with various democrats in a back room. They bring in some files supplied to them by their pals in the intel community, show them to Kamala and tell her these will be leaked to various media outlets, unless she agrees to step down and take the California senate position.She would be a fool to not take the deal. She has zero power as VP. She also has zero chance as JFB's replacement as president since she's animated enough to be a very poor sock puppet for the State. Unfortunately, in the senate she might have to do actual work. Then again, there a lot of brain-dead corpses in the senate.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 06:40:27 AM
Many people referred to Gerald R. Ford as Nixon's revenge, which is how I think of the coward john roberts, as gw bush's revenge on all of us.
Ford was a compromise. It takes a vote of both the senate and the house for a replacement VP. GRF was a moderate, no scandal type guy that wouldn't do anything that either side couldn't live with. He was a care taker of the office until the next election.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 08:31:47 AM
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Speculation that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. may leave the Democratic Party could turn President Joe Biden's 2024 nightmare reelection scenario into a reality.
Kennedy was asked by a voter at a town hall in North Charleston, South Carolina, this month whether he'd launch an independent bid for the White House. Although he has said he's determined to keep his ties to the party long associated with the Kennedy clan, the nephew of President John F. Kennedy and son of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy didn't rule out anything.
"They're trying to make sure that I can't participate at all in the political process, and so I'm going to keep all my options open," Kennedy said of the Democratic National Committee.
Democrats worry that a third-party candidate in a general election will pull votes away from Biden, who is facing low approval ratings, and help elect the eventual Republican nominee in 2024. The same concerns were expressed after Cornel West announced he would run as a Green Party candidate. And now the fears are growing as Biden remains neck-and-neck with the leading GOP contender, former President Donald Trump, in hypothetical matchups.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2023, 09:30:02 AM
She had to throw Trump in there. It's not just about age. Trump is vigorous, energetic and with it. Biden is a fucking vegetable!However, it’s not of an issue of “if” but “when” age becomes an issue for Trump. Even he is not immune to the human aging process.
I’m not excited having a president who is past the legal retirement age of an airline pilot.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
I hope nobody ever decides to move here. Except my kids of course.Well, and the 6 MILLION illegals that Biden let into our country primarily through Texas.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 09:36:01 AM
Well, and the 6 MILLION illegals that Biden let into our country primarily through Texas.
Gov Abbott deserves credit for allowing them in across the Texas border.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2023, 09:36:18 AM
That would be a good choice, but I have my heart set on going back to somewhere in or near the Rockies. Just want to get away from these narcissistic, brainwashed Leftists. Oh, and they drive like shit.My brother bought land in Idaho and is building a home so he can leave the Third World Peoples Republic of Illinois.
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
My brother bought land in Idaho and is building a home so he can leave the Third World Peoples Republic of Illinois.
Idaho is slowly becoming East California.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 26, 2023, 09:45:30 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2023, 09:59:28 AM
Near Bonners Ferry, Idaho this summer. But yes, I do think the evil ones are targeting red states. From here on, because of our decades of complacency, preserving liberty will be an ongoing and uphill battle. It’s better to maintain than to salvage, and we’re salvaging.
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They're fleeing the People's Republic of California due to high taxes, one party rule and one of the highest cost of living states in the US.
They can take the money they got from the house sale in the PRoC, buy a nicer home in Idaho, on property, and bank the rest.
However, they are bringing their values (or lack thereof) with them, and wanting to incorporate the same bullshit they are fleeing.
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2023, 10:50:18 AM
Refresh my memory. Didn’t Wisconsin do something involving the SC lately that permanently made them Dem?No, but it will be dem for a while. In Wisconsin, justices are elected in a “nonpartisan” election to a 10 year term.
Historically the Wisconsin Supreme Court held a 4-3 or a 5-2 conservative advantage.
In 2019 we elected “conservative” Brian Hagedorn who immediately began to side with the democrats. After that election it was 4-3 conservative, but Hagedorn gets his rocks off being the swing vote.
In 2020 conservatives lost by running Dan Kelly, who was on the Supreme Court for 4 years (he was nominated by Scott Walker to fill a vacancy, but lost to a progressive liberal.
In 2023 conservatives lost AGAIN by ONCE AGAIN running Dan Kelley, losing to a far left progressive, Janet Protasiewicz, who stated on the campaign trail that she supported reinstating Roe, and declaring the legislature-drawn district maps to be racist and unconstitutional.
Currently it is 4-3 liberal, but with Swing Vote Hagedorn it may as well be 5-2 liberal.
So I was shocked that the court held that drop boxes were against the law.
Post by: Rush on September 26, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
No, but it will be dem for a while. In Wisconsin, justices are elected in a “nonpartisan” election to a 10 year term.
Historically the Wisconsin Supreme Court held a 4-3 or a 5-2 conservative advantage.
In 2019 we elected “conservative” Brian Hagedorn who immediately began to side with the democrats. After that election it was 4-3 conservative, but Hagedorn gets his rocks off being the swing vote.
In 2020 conservatives lost by running Dan Kelly, who was on the Supreme Court for 4 years (he was nominated by Scott Walker to fill a vacancy, but lost to a progressive liberal.
In 2023 conservatives lost AGAIN by ONCE AGAIN running Dan Kelley, losing to a far left progressive, Janet Protasiewicz, who stated on the campaign trail that she supported reinstating Roe, and declaring the legislature-drawn district maps to be racist and unconstitutional.
Currently it is 4-3 liberal, but with Swing Vote Hagedorn it may as well be 5-2 liberal.
So I was shocked that the court held that drop boxes were against the law.
Thanks I knew it was something, and I also knew I was right to be surprised about the drop boxes.
Post by: elwood blues on September 26, 2023, 01:37:06 PM
Near Bonners Ferry, Idaho....
I was just about to post a picture of that sign. It's just north of my house.
We need that on every entrance to this state and in the airports too.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2023, 11:21:08 AM
According to a new CBS News/YouGov survey conducted in Iowa and New Hampshire between September 15-24, more Republican voters in the two states have ruled out voting for Trump than have decided they will back him.
In Iowa, just 20% of voters say they are only considering Trump, while 48% are choosing between the former president and other candidates. Thirty-one percent, meanwhile, say they are not considering casting their ballot for Trump.
That leaves a shocking 79% of the electorate either open, or committed to voting for a candidate other than Trump.
The story is similar in New Hampshire, where 23% of voters are committed to backing Trump, 43% are keeping their options open, and 34% are only considering candidates other than Trump.
Still, Trump holds significant leads over his competition when voters are asked who they would vote for if the elections were held today. In Iowa, Trump would have the support of 51% of Republicans. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (21%) trails Trump in second place, while former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley (8%) came in third.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/new-poll-79-of-republicans-in-iowa-considering-candidates-other-than-trump/?fbclid=IwAR3I8ZFU0Yj2qgVV80wBnbsSrhsO-RQNwCnhF4FCNvypk_OYLYDExeps9_s_aem_AUimtF5OL7AqETc3bsImMpDfutw7ENr_CWoW8BwmmzrKv88CyyI3N5bnEamV60Spqq8&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#ln22i6cpre18wo3vl7
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2023, 05:56:29 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2023, 06:41:15 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 28, 2023, 07:00:48 AM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1707121863791460517?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707121863791460517%7Ctwgr%5E2a47f756da725e8276e269664e5a88534937a22d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
Biden is such a lying douche. Asshole.
Post by: nddons on September 28, 2023, 07:45:07 AM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1707121863791460517?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707121863791460517%7Ctwgr%5E2a47f756da725e8276e269664e5a88534937a22d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2FWhat a lying sack of shit. He’s acting like like an old man who can’t find the remote and is blaming everyone else for hiding it.
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2023, 08:05:18 AM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1707121863791460517?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1707121863791460517%7Ctwgr%5E2a47f756da725e8276e269664e5a88534937a22d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
The guy in that video commented? Jerry Wayne? Good for him.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2023, 12:05:49 PM
Alarmed Republicans are preparing to draft Glenn Youngkin
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Some of the biggest Republican donors in the country will converge next month at the historic Cavalier Hotel in Virginia Beach for a two-day meeting to rally behind Gov. Glenn Youngkin. The closed gathering, named the “Red Vest Retreat” after the fleece Youngkin wore during his 2021 campaign, will begin Oct. 17 and be focused, officially, on the Republican effort to win full control of the General Assembly in Virginia’s upcoming elections. But unofficially, several donors tell me, it will be an opportunity for them to try to push, if not shove, Youngkin into the Republican presidential race.
Others say they will be busy prodding Youngkin and his allies in phone calls from afar. “He appears to be leaving the door open,” Thomas Peterffy, a billionaire who has already given millions of dollars to Youngkin’s PAC, told me this week. “And if Republicans win in Virginia, maybe we can talk him into it. He obviously wants to see what emerges, what the state of play is.
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2023, 02:05:22 PM
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MTrpt_sm304J:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/28/draft-glenn-youngkin-2024-gop-donors/&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Alarmed Republicans are preparing to draft Glenn Youngkin
Don’t fall for it, Glenn.
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 06:55:50 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 06:56:58 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 07:04:05 AM
https://twitter.com/JamesBradleyCA/status/1706278086042366295
Now that Feinstein has "retired", let's see if this plays out.
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 12:47:24 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning to Announce Independent Run
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2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.
Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.
“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite.
Kennedy, a notorious anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist challenging incumbent President Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination, has been flirting with a third party run in recent weeks. The New York Times reported last week that he met with the chair of the Libertarian Party, raising the prospect of a departure from the party that decades ago became synonymous with his family name.
Kennedy remains far behind Biden in the polls. Yet while the Times reported “Democrats worry that a third-party run by Mr. Kennedy could draw votes away from Mr. Biden and help elect former President Donald J. Trump,” it’s unclear whether such a run would hurt the current president more than the Republican nominee.
Indeed, polls show Republicans have a far more favorable view of Kennedy than Democrats. As the National Review’s Jim Geraghty pointed out in July, when a survey asked New Hampshire Democrats to describe Kennedy in one word, the top responses were “crazy,” “dangerous,” “insane,” “conspiracy,” and “unknown.”
Conservative media has been far more supportive of Kennedy’s campaign as well. Fox News host Greg Gutfeld proposed that the political scion run as third party in July.
“I think he should run as a third party candidate because I do think he should, he would win, is because his party’s radical elements, what we call the woke, have embraced this fascist clampdown on language,” Gutfeld said.
Post by: nddons on September 29, 2023, 12:59:36 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclusive-robert-f-kennedy-jr-planning-to-announce-independent-run/RIP
EXCLUSIVE: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning to Announce Independent Run
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 01:03:19 PM
This is the best news of the election cycle so far. However, the dims have perfected lawfare, and have their own Gestapo force in the DoJ, so I predict they will set him up for an indictment.
And of course, the parade of bimbos will also emerge.
Post by: Little Joe on September 29, 2023, 01:05:32 PM
Let's hope not.Not sure, but I think that kinda what Stan meant. At least, that's the way I read it.
This is the best news of the election cycle so far. However, the dims have perfected lawfare, and have their own Gestapo force in the DoJ, so I predict they will set him up for an indictment.
And of course, the parade of bimbos will also emerge.
Now that he has revealed his intentions, he is a prime target of the Dems.
Post by: Rush on September 29, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 29, 2023, 01:35:56 PM
Let's hope not.Much easier and more likely to succeed is for the Democrats to deny him ballot access in all the purple states.
This is the best news of the election cycle so far. However, the dims have perfected lawfare, and have their own Gestapo force in the DoJ, so I predict they will set him up for an indictment.
And of course, the parade of bimbos will also emerge.
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 01:45:08 PM
Much easier and more likely to succeed is for the Democrats to deny him ballot access in all the purple states.
If he has the ground game, I can't see where that's even an issue. State laws are in place already determining who can be placed on a ballot, and the criteria to meet the requirements.
Election laws are quite clear under the constitution, which leaves this up to the state legislatures. A governor, SoS or state SC cannot change the existing laws. Same goes for various state election officials.
Post by: nddons on September 29, 2023, 04:23:33 PM
All y'all are right. This is great news. And he will become BIG target.THAT’S my point. That he might get the CIA Kennedy treatment.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 29, 2023, 04:50:54 PM
THAT’S my point. That he might get the CIA Kennedy treatment.Especially since Biden refuses to allow him SS protection.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 29, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2023, 04:52:02 PM
Would the MSM bury it if he were assassinated after having been denied protection?
Yep
Post by: Anthony on September 29, 2023, 05:57:05 PM
Yep
X2. The MSM is Tass and Pravda rolled up into one Nazi propaganda ploy after another.
Post by: Rush on September 29, 2023, 06:56:13 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 30, 2023, 04:36:12 AM
I bet he’s well aware of the possibility and has private protection but wasn’t that already sort of infiltrated?A guy did show up at one of his events with two shoulder holsters and a lot of ammo. The private security caught him.
Post by: Username on September 30, 2023, 05:43:07 AM
Election laws are quite clear under the constitution, which leaves this up to the state legislatures. A governor, SoS or state SC cannot change the existing laws. Same goes for various state election officials.But that didn't stop them from changing election laws (actually, just ignoring them) during the "pandemic". I predict that millions of mail-in ballots will appear that somehow didn't include his name. oops... sorry. Too bad.
Post by: Lucifer on September 30, 2023, 05:49:17 AM
But that didn't stop them from changing election laws (actually, just ignoring them) during the "pandemic". I predict that millions of mail-in ballots will appear that somehow didn't include his name. oops... sorry. Too bad.
You may be right.
Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2023, 06:51:13 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2023, 10:14:23 AM
On this day in 1919, President Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating stroke that left him unable to fully function or discharge his duties. His wife Edith played an outsized role in running the White House for the last year and a half of his presidency. As Joe Biden's health visibly deteriorates, we wonder if history will soon repeat itself.
The Biden Regime has been calling the shots from day 1, assisted by "Dr Jill". All of the whacko policies are from people in the shadows.
FJB is and has been a puppet from day 1.
Post by: Number7 on October 02, 2023, 10:55:52 AM
The Biden Regime has been calling the shots from day 1, assisted by "Dr Jill". All of the whacko policies are from people in the shadows.
FJB is and has been a puppet from day 1.
He is not a puppet.
He's a corpse, just like fetternman is and feinstein was.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 09, 2023, 11:14:17 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2023, 11:56:46 AM
RFK Jr has officially declared he will run as an independent.
I plan on sending some money to his campaign.
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2023, 03:06:10 PM
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan host summit featuring 2024 hopefuls Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Chris Christie and Doug Burgum WITHOUT DeSantis and Ramaswamy
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The two men who were on the 2012 Republican presidential ticket are holding a closed-door event with a few 2024 candidates – but noticeably absent from the lineup are Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy.
Sen. Mitt Romney and his former running mate Paul Ryan are hosting the two-day summit in Park City, Utah with the goal of finding an alternative to Donald Trump winning the GOP nomination next year.
The candidates at the forum Tuesday and Wednesday are former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, former Vice President Mike Pence, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum.
Other speakers include Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and former attorney general Bill Barr.
Ryan said on CNBC Tuesday that all 'non-indicted' candidates are welcome to attend, but DeSantis and Ramaswamy are notably not attending.
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Post by: nddons on October 10, 2023, 03:27:31 PM
I guess he’s not, like I’ve been saying all along. He’s the most conservative candidate in the field.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 10, 2023, 03:38:31 PM
Wait. I thought you said that DeSantis is establishment.They've already dumped him and are looking for someone else to put money behind.
I guess he’s not, like I’ve been saying all along. He’s the most conservative candidate in the field.
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2023, 03:48:24 PM
Wait. I thought you said that DeSantis is establishment.
I guess he’s not, like I’ve been saying all along. He’s the most conservative candidate in the field.
He's damaged goods, and like the typical establishment types, they are abandoning him. His big donors (establishment types) have already started pulling their money out and looking for another
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 10, 2023, 04:06:13 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2023, 04:09:45 PM
Two losers thinking they’re still relevant. Those pompous idiots and others like them are why our country is sliding into hell. They don’t lead, they serve themselves not Americans, they don’t fight back against the rot. Money grubbing egotistical snakes.
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THIS!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 10, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
Post by: Number7 on October 10, 2023, 06:12:15 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615507/Mitt-Romney-Paul-Ryan-snub-DeSantis-Ramaswamy-summit-featuring-2024-hopefuls-Nikki-Haley-Mike-Pence-Chris-Christie-Doug-Burgum.html
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan host summit featuring 2024 hopefuls Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Chris Christie and Doug Burgum WITHOUT DeSantis and Ramaswamy
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Brian Kemp and Bill Barr say everything anybody needs to know about the assholes are us meeting with mittens and ryno paulie.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 10, 2023, 06:29:19 PM
Post by: Rush on October 10, 2023, 06:56:12 PM
DeSantis should have made a deal to be Trump's VP running mate.
That was a real possibility early on and looked good. It’s too late now. Too much water under the bridge.
Post by: Lucifer on October 13, 2023, 08:33:31 AM
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Democrat candidates now sue over election fraud while Republicans are called 'election deniers'
"Election denier" was up until recently code for "Republican." But now Democratic party members are filing suits alleging fraud. A Democratic mayoral candidate for Bridgeport, Conn., alleges that there was fraud with absentee ballots deposited at ballot drop boxes.
As a Democratic mayoral candidate’s case over an election challenge had its first hearing in court, he is one of a growing number of Democrats who have filed lawsuits or an affidavit over election irregularities. When Republicans have done this, they have been routinely dismissed as “election deniers.”
Since the 2020 presidential election, former President Donald Trump and other Republicans have raised concerns about election irregularities and are often called “election deniers” by Democrats and the media. However, Democrats largely do not receive the same label, despite their almost identical legal challenges in various jurisdictions.
John Gomes, Democratic mayoral candidate for Bridgeport, Conn., filed an election challenge over alleged absentee ballot abuse in his primary race last month against incumbent Mayor Joe Ganim.
Connecticut limits who can return a voter’s absentee ballot, and the lawsuit alleges that video footage of a ballot drop box appears to show multiple people depositing multiple absentee ballots into the receptacle, — called ballot harvesting — including a Ganim supporter.
Gomes lost to Ganim in last month’s election by 251 votes. Ganim lost the votes cast via machines but won with the margin in absentee ballots, of which 2,630 were cast in total. According to the lawsuit, Ganim received 694 more votes in absentee ballots than Gomes did.
Gomes’s lawsuit asks that he be declared the winner of the primary and placed on the ballot in November or that a new primary be scheduled.
Thursday was the first hearing in the case that could last two weeks. Connecticut Superior Court Judge William Clark is presiding over the case. Three witnesses testified on Thursday, one being a Bridgeport police captain who oversees the city’s surveillance cameras, another being an assistant town clerk, and the other being the Democratic Registrar of Voters.
The Bridgeport police department provided about 2,104 hours of surveillance video footage of the four ballot drop boxes in the city from Aug. 22 until Sept. 14. The police captain testified during the hearing that 12 hours of video footage were erased as officers copied the files for the lawyers and the State Elections Enforcement Commission.
The police are looking into the videos and sent them to the State Elections Enforcement Commission to investigate. The Connecticut governor, Ned Lamont (a Democrat) has said he wants investigators to "leave no stone unturned" looking into the claims of election fraud in Bridgeport but urged voters "not to jump to conclusions" about the video footage.
The assistant town clerk explained the process of counting absentee ballots and the Democratic Registrar of Voters testified that she was unaware that the town clerk is required by state law to sign the outer envelope of an absentee ballot when it’s received.
The next hearing for the case is set for Friday.
Meanwhile, other Democratic candidates have also alleged election fraud reminiscent of claims made by GOP candidates nationwide, and largely ridiculed by media operatives.
For example, last month in Mississippi, Hinds County District 2 Supervisor David Archie (D) claimed that Democratic Executive Committee Chair Jacqueline Amos was involved in fraud in the party primary election in August. Amos said that the primary was conducted “in keeping with applicable state law” and that Archie had “the right to challenge the results” of the election.
Archie filed a lawsuit last month against the Hinds County Democratic Party and others, calling for a new election. However, the Hinds County Circuit Court dismissed the lawsuit late last month, ruling that Archie had filed the lawsuit after the deadline for election challenges.
In Virginia, Makya Little, a Democratic primary candidate for the 19th District House of Delegates in Prince William county, filed a lawsuit against party leaders and state elections officials alleging that the June election was unfair because the party favored her opponent. She is seeking financial damages from the party and an injunction to prevent the state from printing ballots for the fall election until her case concludes.
Prince William elections officials assured the public that the election was fair, and the Prince William Democrats asked Little to resign from her position on the party’s Woodbridge Magisterial District Committee because of her actions following the election.
Last year, in Florida, former Orange County Commissioner candidate Cynthia Harris filed a sworn affidavit with the Florida Secretary of State's office alleging that illegal operations to collect third-party ballots have been going on for years in the Orlando area where voting activists are paid $10 for each ballot they collect.
Harris, who narrowly lost her election for county commissioner last year, mentioned her years-long knowledge of ballot harvesting in the black communities in central Florida. She even recorded a ballot broker coming to her home in 2017 to collect her ballot, and obtained the script that the vote harvester was given by her bosses to make the pitch for a voter to turn over their ballot.
Since Trump and other Republicans have raised concerns about election irregularities in the 2020 presidential election, they have frequently been labeled “election deniers.”
President Joe Biden last year denounced "extreme MAGA Republicans" and derided the "election deniers" who questioned the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election.
Meanwhile, news outlets such as The Washington Post frequently published articles leading up to the midterm elections last year with headlines such as "Where Republican election deniers are on the ballot near you," as well as "trackers" monitoring the performance of what they calculated were the nearly 300 GOP candidates who fit their definition of election denier.
Other media outlets — including Time, Reuters, the Associated Press, and NBC News — routinely employ the slur "election denier" in their reporting, attributing the term specifically to any Republicans who questioned, challenged, contested, or denied the 2020 election outcome.
Post by: Number7 on October 13, 2023, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2023, 08:09:34 AM
What I Learned at the 'Stop Trump Summit'
CPAC for #Resistance wine snobs, hosted by the New Republic
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NEW YORK—It's a god-awful small affair. Several dozen senior citizens and middle-aged weirdos are slouched in the Great Hall at Cooper Union, the historic lower-Manhattan venue where some of America's finest statesmen have spoken. (Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Henry Kissinger, among others.)
They're here for the "Stop Trump Summit," a day-long extravaganza of panel discussions hosted by the New Republic, a once-prominent publication that nearly perished under the ownership of Chris Hughes, inventor of the Facebook "poke" button. The event is sponsored by a teachers' union (American Federation of Teachers), a billionaire-funded liberal propaganda machine (Courier Newsroom), and a once-prominent activist group (MoveOn).
Editor and emcee Michael Tomasky assures the crowd they are totally normal because "more than four thousand" others are watching via livestream. "We're here to fight the fight that we all need to fight," he said, channeling the distinctive rhetorical style of Vice President Kamala Harris. "We're here to have fun."
Indeed, for a certain mentally afflicted segment of the American population, the Stop Trump Summit is the definition of fun. "Like Coachella for white liberal wine moms," as my colleague Chuck Ross wrote after viewing the lineup of excruciatingly niche celebrities. A life-affirming self-care exercise for people who base their entire personalities around "being concerned about the future of American democracy."
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D., Md.). (The guy who led the second impeachment of former president Donald Trump.) George Conway. (Anti-Trump tweeter and ex-husband of Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway.) Miles Taylor. (Remember that low-level Trump aide and future cable news star who published the "anonymous" op-ed in the New York Times that everyone assumed was written by some senior cabinet official? That guy.) Tony Schwartz. (Trump's ghostwriter for The Art of the Deal.)
Don Lemon. (The hack journalist fired from CNN for being a misogynistic asshole.) Al Franken. (Effectively fired from the U.S. Senate for similar reasons.) Robert De Niro. (Just trying to pay the bills.) Michael Cohen. (The unhinged former Trump fixer and former inmate who pursued a new career as an anti-Trump celebrity around the same time he became the target of a federal criminal investigation.) Michael Avenatti couldn't make it because he's still in prison.
One of the morning panels on Trump and the media featuring Tara McGowan, founder of Courier Newsroom and "soap opera villainess" (in the words of a former employee), misses the point entirely by urging the audience of Trump-obsessed #Resistance liberals to venture outside the "echo chambers" of Trump-obsessed #Resistance.
"The reason that the media is as bad as it is, the reason they’re as obsessed with Trump as it is, is because it makes them money," McGowan says, somewhat insightfully. Attendees nod along like the suckers they are. Weeks earlier, the New Republic sent an email to readers teasing the summit. "We need $20,000 to do all this," it read. "That's a VERY achievable goal—if people like you who are fiercely opposed to Donald Trump step up to join this urgent cause."
It's a clever grift, getting Trump addicts to donate money for the privilege of paying for a Trump fix. Everyone is in on it, none more so than the guests on the following panel, "Republicans versus Trump." New Republic moderator Walter Shapiro praises the "political courage" of the Lincoln Project affiliates seated next to him. The overwhelmingly white audience agrees with Stuart Stevens, who suggests American politics is "all about race" and Republicans are the "white grievance party."
Randi Weingarten, the teachers' union boss, tells Molly Jong-Fast, the nepo baby journalist, that reading her (mindless repetitive) anti-Trump columns brought "tremendous peace" during this time of upheaval in the Middle East. Oddly enough, the notorious anti-Semite Al Sharpton was the first person on stage to specifically address the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel.
"I'm sure it's been said," he asserts, incorrectly, several hours into the programming. "All of us should be in prayer for those in Israel that have faced this debauchery [???]." Sharpton continues, incoherently: "We also can identify with fighting for what is right. You have to fight, and I've learned that over my life, you have to fight for what's right in the right way, and for those who identify with whatever is going on in the Middle East."
The MSNBC host urges Democrats to put their differences aside—about "whatever is going on in the Middle East," among other things—and focus on being hysterical about Trump. Days earlier, and several miles uptown, left-wing groups held a rally celebrating the murder of Jews at the hands of Hamas, echoing the general sentiment expressed by students at America's elite universities. Sharpton's call for unity is eventually disrupted by a heckler who agrees that Trump is a "genocidal racist" but says the Democratic Party is also bad because America is bad or whatever.
Are we having fun yet? It's hard to say. A few of the elderly attendees have fallen asleep under blankets, while others do crossword puzzles on their iPads or obsessively refresh their stock portfolios. Congressman Raskin's appearance, via prerecorded video, rouses the crowd to a fever pitch, relatively speaking, and gets bigs laughs when he compares Supreme Court justice Amy Coney Barrett to Mrs. Waterford, one of the bad characters from The Handmaid's Tale.
Miles Taylor takes the stage dressed like a tech bro hipster pitching dog-mounted solar panels on Shark Tank. He asks members of the audience to raise their hands if they remember 9/11. (They do.) After droning on about himself for a while, Taylor predicts that Trump, if elected to a second term, would be like "Richard Nixon on something stronger than steroids. Richard Nixon on fentanyl [???]." And the people in this audience are democracy's "last line of defense." Yikes, if true.
The half-bearded wonder boy concludes with a dramatic reading of a "personally dictated" statement from his pal "Bob" (De Niro), who called in sick with a "heavy case of COVID." Trump is "evil," yada yada yada. "This is our last chance" to save democracy. "I know I'm preaching to the choir here." Enlightened liberals can win over Trump supporters by talking about "kindness" and "humanity."
The next panelist I had only ever seen in heavily photoshopped headshots. Mary Trump, the anti-Trump author and psychologist, looks so much like her uncle Donald under the stage lights it is hard to concentrate on what she's saying. That's just as well, because it's getting late and the self-avowed expert on Trump's "physic energy" has just repeated her baseless accusation that the former president enabled the Hamas atrocities in Israel.
It occurs to me that watching a professional life coach with multiple graduate degrees derisively analyzing Trump's trauma-informed insecurities at a conference in Manhattan—indeed this entire summit—is the elite liberal equivalent of belting out the lyrics to "Rich Men North of Richmond."
I've been "doin' the work," tweetin' all week
Billing these hours for PwC
So I can sit out here and suffer anxiety
Coz gettin' my four kids into Yale ain't free
It's a damn shame, our democracy's through
If racists like you keep watchin' Fox News
Coz the orange man's plottin' his big red coup
Yes he is, oh, he is
Maybe Trump will be stopped. Maybe he won't be. The Stop Trump Summit and its related enterprises will have as much impact on the outcome of the 2024 election as they will on the outcome of the war in the Middle East. So what was the point? What did we learn?
Tomasky takes the stage to close things out, but even he isn't quite sure. "A lot of people say at events like this, 'What can I do?'" he says. "Um, and, uh, you know, I don't have any specific answers to that."
Post by: Number7 on October 14, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
Virtue signaling bullshit, and cheap wine.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Post by: Anthony on October 15, 2023, 03:16:27 AM
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Post by: nddons on October 16, 2023, 10:13:06 AM
That was a real possibility early on and looked good. It’s too late now. Too much water under the bridge.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231016/d5ed003d8287385538ebbf4487b8f9e5.jpg)
Post by: Little Joe on October 16, 2023, 10:23:08 AM
And I am almost starting to think that even Trump might beat FJB. There is no enthusiasm among the populace for him, except for those truly and blindly loyal to the D brand.
But Nikki is coming on strong. It remains to be seen how strong and for how long.
Post by: Rush on October 16, 2023, 11:01:27 AM
It's also looking more and more likely Trump will beat FJB and there's no evidence DeSantis or Haley would do better. I don't know why you keep dreaming that.
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2023, 11:02:11 AM
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So how can a guy that can't win a primary win in the general? ???
Post by: Little Joe on October 16, 2023, 11:34:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2023, 11:48:21 AM
Which primary has DeSantis lost?
Right now RDS is averaging 12.9% in national polling https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html
Iowa already looks lost for him as he's only 17.3%. New Hampshire he's only at 10.4%. South Carolina he's third at 11.3%, and then there is Florida where he's at 36%, but 10% behind Trump.
Are you saying he will make up the deficit once the primaries begin?
Post by: Little Joe on October 16, 2023, 12:01:32 PM
Right now RDS is averaging 12.9% in national polling https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.htmlI have it on good authority (Anthony) that I should not believe ANY polls.
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Are you saying he will make up the deficit once the primaries begin?No, but you said "how can a guy that can't win a primary win in the general? "
It's would be exceedingly difficult to win a primary that hasn't happened yet. My answer was almost an exact duplicate of several of your past answers.
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2023, 12:07:26 PM
I have it on good authority (Anthony) that I should not believe ANY polls.
Knock yourself out. ::)
No, but you said "how can a guy that can't win a primary win in the general? "
At the moment, he's lagging behind. And his backers are pulling out and looking for a new candidate. But please, keep looking for nitpicks to try to make yourself look relevant. ::)
It's would be exceedingly difficult to win a primary that hasn't happened yet. My answer was almost an exact duplicate of several of your past answers.
Panties on a little too tight today Joe?
Post by: nddons on October 16, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
Right now RDS is averaging 12.9% in national polling https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.htmlYes, he can. It’s happened before, with candidates far less flawed and damaged than Trump.
Iowa already looks lost for him as he's only 17.3%. New Hampshire he's only at 10.4%. South Carolina he's third at 11.3%, and then there is Florida where he's at 36%, but 10% behind Trump.
Are you saying he will make up the deficit once the primaries begin?
Not a single primary vote has been cast. There is no deficit.
Surprised you’re loving polls so much.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 16, 2023, 12:20:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
Yes, he can. It’s happened before, with candidates far less flawed and damaged than Trump.
Not a single primary vote has been cast. There is no deficit.
Surprised you’re loving polls so much.
Projecting there are ya?
It's not a matter of "loving polls" as you put it. Go read and follow the back stories, then start putting it together.
RDS backers are already giving up on him, and looking for a replacement. As I've said many times before, campaigns are won on messaging. So far the only message that RDS conveys is "I'm not Trump", which is not getting anywhere.
The rest of his messaging is almost identical to Trump. Then you add in his public persona, which doesn't come off well and you have a failing campaign. Oh, and throw in his terrible choices in campaign staff, and that hurts him more.
I look for RDS to bow out after Iowa, possibly by New Hampshire.
IMO he should have concentrated on Florida as Governor, then spent the remaining time building a grass roots organization to propel him into 2028. But he got seduced by the establishment types and the rest we know.
But he still has time to learn from his mistakes and make a comeback for 2028.
Post by: nddons on October 16, 2023, 05:21:20 PM
Projecting there are ya?You may be right, and you may be wrong. I’m quite confident a nominee Trump will yield a president Newsom.
It's not a matter of "loving polls" as you put it. Go read and follow the back stories, then start putting it together.
RDS backers are already giving up on him, and looking for a replacement. As I've said many times before, campaigns are won on messaging. So far the only message that RDS conveys is "I'm not Trump", which is not getting anywhere.
The rest of his messaging is almost identical to Trump. Then you add in his public persona, which doesn't come off well and you have a failing campaign. Oh, and throw in his terrible choices in campaign staff, and that hurts him more.
I look for RDS to bow out after Iowa, possibly by New Hampshire.
IMO he should have concentrated on Florida as Governor, then spent the remaining time building a grass roots organization to propel him into 2028. But he got seduced by the establishment types and the rest we know.
But he still has time to learn from his mistakes and make a comeback for 2028.
For being so confident DeSantis is out of it, Trump has spent $20MM in anti-DeSantis ads, and continues to spend anti-DeSantis ads and mailings in Iowa. What’s he so worried about?
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Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2023, 06:15:43 PM
You may be right, and you may be wrong. I’m quite confident a nominee Trump will yield a president Newsom.
I'm not confident in seeing a fair election. Since the party of gracious losers still can't figure out how to counter the democrats, we may very well see another democrat. And the establishment republicans will be the ones to thank for that.
For being so confident DeSantis is out of it, Trump has spent $20MM in anti-DeSantis ads, and continues to spend anti-DeSantis ads and mailings in Iowa. What’s he so worried about?
Team RDS is spending huge in Iowa, even though they admit it won't get them a win. The internal polling for RDS tells the tale. As far as the Trump spending, it's politics. Unless something big happens, RDS will come in pretty low in Iowa, even after spending big.
Post by: Number7 on October 16, 2023, 07:12:03 PM
You may be right, and you may be wrong. I’m quite confident a nominee Trump will yield a president Newsom.
For being so confident DeSantis is out of it, Trump has spent $20MM in anti-DeSantis ads, and continues to spend anti-DeSantis ads and mailings in Iowa. What’s he so worried about?
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I can’t quite figure out your abject hatred of President Trump so toxic that you grab onto such stupid things and project your hatred thru them to make something, anything, out of them to rant about.
Maybe you need a nice vacation.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 16, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 17, 2023, 01:49:49 AM
I have it on good authority (Anthony) that I should not believe ANY polls.
No, but you said "how can a guy that can't win a primary win in the general? "
It's would be exceedingly difficult to win a primary that hasn't happened yet. My answer was almost an exact duplicate of several of your past answers.
Polls have been compromised along with elections, which are just more polls. And yes, I stand by my statement. Thank you for your wise belief. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 03:08:55 AM
Trump is Surging
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Few outside some bitter Republican circles are still arguing that Donald Trump can’t win the 2024 election. What was conventional wisdom a few months ago has fallen to pieces. Trump has already won the primary, not that Republicans have any reason to regret it: he is outperforming Joe Biden in the polls, despite being indicted four times, a remarkable feat that only Trump could pull off. Notably, Trump ran far behind Biden in 2020, when Trump barely “lost,” something that enraged many liberals at the time.
2024 is not destined to be a repeat: it is a new year with a different incumbent, and different concerns. The pandemic has faded, and rather than a virus, Americans are worried about gas prices, immigration, housing, terrorism, and even world war. This is a winning issue set for Trump. Democrats are only winning on one major issue: abortion. But even here, Trump has shown better instincts than many Republicans by moderating, blunting the impact of the left’s messaging about “extreme” restrictions.
Democrats have one other card to play: convict Trump in a kangaroo court and hope that the public recoils at a “criminal.” But what if voters just don’t care? The war in Israel has absorbed the world’s attention, and for a few days at least, everyone has forgotten about Trump and his legal battles.
The war has raised anew the specter of Islamic terrorism, giving Trump a fresh opportunity to flex his strong record on immigration and foreign policy. Under Trump, jihadism virtually disappeared as he crushed the ISIS caliphate, sealed the border, and stabilized the Middle East. The fool Biden has allowed dangerous people from every corner of the world into the United States, and his weakness has left the world teetering on the brink of Armageddon.
In Trump, America had a serious president disguised as a comedian. Biden is a clown pretending to be a statesman, and his weakness is catching up with him.
The historic debacle at the southern border is receiving sustained mainstream media attention for the first time, as the endless influx of immigrants floods blue urban centers. Biden’s late expedient pivot toward erecting a border barrier vindicates Trump and exposes the insanity of Biden’s open border policy. In any case, it’s too late for Biden to unring the bell: millions of illegal immigrants are already here, and foreigners are going to keep taking their chances at crossing now rather than wait for Trump to return.
Of course, immigration is also an economic issue: as people pour in, housing gets more expensive, the burden on public services increases, and cheap wages get even cheaper.
Nobody is falling for Biden’s fantastic boasts about “Bidenomics” as consumers pick up side gigs to keep pace with the skyrocketing cost of living. And despite the left’s spin, most voters are aware of Biden’s brazen corruption. This makes for a potent election narrative: as economic tides swallow up ordinary people, Biden and his privileged son are able to avoid accountability for their criminal grifting. The spectacle of slanted justice could defuse the impact of Trump’s overcooked prosecutions, which have already begun to bore the public.
There are other unwelcome distractions working against Trump: House Republicans are running around like chickens without heads, when they could be working together to investigate Biden.
But if there is a silver lining to the absurd lawfare campaign against Trump, it is that Democrats can smell defeat. They’re not getting rid of Biden – they’re too cautious for that – but they’re not confident either. If it were a fair fight, and the election were held today, Trump would likely win, and Democrats know it. Prosecuting a political opponent is a method of last resort.
This may be an optimistic assessment of the circumstances. But Biden is not getting any sharper, and there will be plenty of chaos to come in the months ahead.
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2023, 03:59:02 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Famgreatness.com%2F2023%2F10%2F16%2Ftrump-is-surging%2F
Trump is Surging
If I were a doctor and this were a patient I would be “cautiously optimistic”.
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 04:33:34 AM
If I were a doctor and this were a patient I would be “cautiously optimistic”.
The article raises some interesting points. Just think, if the establishment put as much effort to unify the party and fight back on election fraud, then there would be no question on the outcome in 2024.
But the republican wing of the democrat party, with such notables as Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, Lyndsey Graham, John Cornyn and the others in the RINO Caucus will actually work to defeat any candidates who don't kiss the establishment ring.
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2023, 04:39:20 AM
I can’t quite figure out your abject hatred of President Trump so toxic that you grab onto such stupid things and project your hatred thru them to make something, anything, out of them to rant about.Hatred. Hatred. Rant. All things I haven’t said. Maybe you need to attend a reading comprehension class at the local community college.
Maybe you need a nice vacation.
I picked a different horse than the last race. Deal with it.
Post by: Number7 on October 17, 2023, 05:45:12 AM
Hatred. Hatred. Rant. All things I haven’t said. Maybe you need to attend a reading comprehension class at the local community college.
I picked a different horse than the last race. Deal with it.
Why don't you lose the pathetic, my feelings are hurt, bullshit, and embrace the reality that your rants are nothing but wishful thinking, surrounded by illogical connections.
The reason your bullshit is so pathetic is just as obvious as the symptom.
Without reason, or logic, your hatred is an empty gong, ringing silently in the desert of your delusions.
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2023, 06:50:40 AM
Why don't you lose the pathetic, my feelings are hurt, bullshit, and embrace the reality that your rants are nothing but wishful thinking, surrounded by illogical connections.Drank your breakfast I see.
The reason your bullshit is so pathetic is just as obvious as the symptom.
Without reason, or logic, your hatred is an empty gong, ringing silently in the desert of your delusions.
Jim Jones had guards that forced everyone to drink the Kool Aid. I see you’re falling in line demanding forced compliance to your messiah’s every demand.
Post by: Number7 on October 17, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
Drank your breakfast I see.
Jim Jones had guards that forced everyone to drink the Kool Aid. I see you’re falling in line demanding forced compliance to your messiah’s every demand.
I understand it is hard to separate your fantasies from reality when your ego is challenged.
If you try really really hard, you can maybe, figure out the difference.
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 08:19:48 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/nikki-haley-calls-bring-one-million-hamas-supporting/
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2023, 08:55:28 AM
This woman is beyond fuckin' stupid.She just destroyed her run for POTUS.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/nikki-haley-calls-bring-one-million-hamas-supporting/
Post by: Number7 on October 17, 2023, 08:57:36 AM
She just destroyed her run for POTUS.
I seriously agree, but would comment that her chances were somewhere between sim and you got to be kidding me.
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 09:01:27 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 17, 2023, 09:48:02 AM
This woman is beyond fuckin' stupid.The body of the article contradicts the headline. If she said Hamas supporters should be brought to the US then that article should provide the specific quote.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/nikki-haley-calls-bring-one-million-hamas-supporting/
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 10:09:40 AM
The body of the article contradicts the headline. If she said Hamas supporters should be brought to the US then that article should provide the specific quote.
Nikki Haley: You gotta understand, whether we’re talking about Gazans and Palestinians, all of them, you know, you got half of them at the time I was there didn’t want to be under Hamas’s rule. They didn’t want to have terrorists oversee them. They knew that they were living a terrible life because of Hamas. Yeah, the other half supported Hamas and wanted to be a part of that. We see that with Iran too. The Iranian people don’t want to be under that Iranian regime… There are so many of these people who want to be free from this terrorist rule. They want to be free from all of that. And Americans have always been sympathetic to the fact that you can separate civilians from terrorists and that is what we have to do.”
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https://apnews.com/article/desantis-israel-hamas-gaza-palestinian-refugees-water-73a468f8d030e083844d16e82684c406
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Former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, a GOP candidate, said on CNN’s “State of the Union” that “there are so many of these people who want to be free from this terrorist rule. They want to be free from all of that. And America’s always been sympathetic to the fact that you can separate civilians from terrorists. And that’s what we have to do.”
Post by: Little Joe on October 17, 2023, 10:54:11 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2023, 11:00:01 AM
Sounds like she wants to bring in those that don't support Hamas, which is laudable. But I have no idea how she would/could accomplish that.
What does he know that she doesn't?
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-10-17/king-abdullah-on-gaza-no-refugees-in-jordan-no-refugees-in-egypt
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Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday warned against trying to push Palestinian refugees into Egypt or Jordan, adding that the humanitarian situation must to be dealt with inside Gaza and the West Bank.
"That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt," King Abdullah said at a news conference following a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Berlin.
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2023, 11:09:10 AM
Sounds like she wants to bring in those that don't support Hamas, which is laudable. But I have no idea how she would/could accomplish that.Obviously just ask them if they love the United States and plans on doing terrorism here. If they check out well that’s good enough for her.
Post by: Little Joe on October 17, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Obviously just ask them if they love the United States and plans on doing terrorism here. If they check out well that’s good enough for her.Maybe could ask Hamas to provide us a list of people that are approved to emigrate to the US, then only accept people NOT on that list?
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2023, 02:46:54 AM
Look at the UK and Europe. They're now starting to realize they have a huge Muslim population that wants to do them harm. These people are SELF Destructive and they want to take YOU with them. Yeah, it's that simple.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 18, 2023, 04:39:39 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 18, 2023, 04:40:02 AM
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2023, 03:27:26 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 19, 2023, 06:40:04 AM
“During Jim Crow, Black banks, businesses, hospitals, schools, and farms were targeted for destruction. Racists knew that without these, the Black community had no chance of building wealth. We must set federal dollars aside to rebuild Black infrastructure.
These programs complement direct redress payments or tax credits to the descendants of the victims of Jim Crow and other victims of persecution. RFK Jr. will find ways to offer this redress that are legal, fair, and win the approval of Americans of all races.”
Post by: Rush on October 19, 2023, 08:11:31 AM
From RFK’s campaign website.
“During Jim Crow, Black banks, businesses, hospitals, schools, and farms were targeted for destruction. Racists knew that without these, the Black community had no chance of building wealth. We must set federal dollars aside to rebuild Black infrastructure.
These programs complement direct redress payments or tax credits to the descendants of the victims of Jim Crow and other victims of persecution. RFK Jr. will find ways to offer this redress that are legal, fair, and win the approval of Americans of all races.”
There is no "black infrastructure". Roads and water mains are not supposed to be racist. Dumping money into communities populated mostly by blacks will not fix the problem which was caused by Democrat policies in the first place. You have to reverse the policies that created gang culture, welfare queens, removed jobs from cities, strangled black owned businesses with regulations, etc. Oh, and start prosecuting crime again. Rescind all gun control and allow blacks to legally be armed in high crime areas, and ban prosecution of business owners or other victims who shoot looters and robbers.
Having said that, I'm all for putting money there instead of housing illegals, which need to be deported right back to where they came from.
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2023, 08:14:16 AM
Even if a new President wanted it, and authorized it, congress would put a stop to it. The RINO's and the communist want them here, and will do whatever it takes to protect them.
Until people wake up and start throwing these worthless assholes out of congress, nothing changes.
Post by: nddons on October 19, 2023, 04:23:37 PM
Maybe we should stop importing those that potentially hate us and want to harm us? Why take the huge risk? What's the upside?Fuck the UK and Europe. Since 9/11/2001 the US has allowed 2.3 million people from Muslim countries to come to the U.S. That would make this population the 36th largest state in the country.
Look at the UK and Europe. They're now starting to realize they have a huge Muslim population that wants to do them harm. These people are SELF Destructive and they want to take YOU with them. Yeah, it's that simple.
DeSantis is 100% correct that we should not allow any “refugees” from Gaza. We don’t need to import America and Israel-hating populations into our country.
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2023, 05:39:34 PM
Fuck the UK and Europe. Since 9/11/2001 the US has allowed 2.3 million people from Muslim countries to come to the U.S. That would make this population the 36th largest state in the country.
DeSantis is 100% correct that we should not allow any “refugees” from Gaza. We don’t need to import America and Israel-hating populations into our country.
I've lived in Europe and liked it but I knew it was temporary. I'd rather say Fuck the European governments, not the people. They've been brainwashed and duped, but I think they're starting to wake up and it's too late.
Post by: nddons on October 21, 2023, 08:34:58 AM
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Post by: Number7 on October 21, 2023, 08:48:35 AM
Nice God Complex. He’d probably fire Jesus if He told Trump something he didn’t want to hear.
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That is not only despicable, but unmanly of you.
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2023, 09:13:37 AM
Nice God Complex. He’d probably fire Jesus if He told Trump something he didn’t want to hear.
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Actually I find this despicable:
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RDS was a JAG officer. JAG officers are not combat trained, nor do they accompany assigned teams into a battle area. JAG's don't even attend regular Navy OCS training, instead they are giving courses on military etiquette and military duties and responsibilities, more like college courses rather than the intensity of OCS. He was a company lawyer, nothing more.
This picture was RDS getting dressed up in SEAL equipment for a picture, much like the OwlGore picture of him holding a M16 in VN.
Post by: Rush on October 21, 2023, 10:10:04 AM
Nice God Complex. He’d probably fire Jesus if He told Trump something he didn’t want to hear.
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God complex? You do know that a common Christian idea is Jesus accompanies you when you’re desperately troubled. In what world did this idea ever mean a person had a God complex?
Besides, Trump didn’t make that picture, he’s reposting something someone else did for him, out of gratitude maybe. He seems to appreciate his supporters.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 21, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Nice God Complex. He’d probably fire Jesus if He told Trump something he didn’t want to hear.
"IF"?
I'm quite certain Jesus would say a few things that President Trump wouldn't like. (but that would be true for every one of us)
Post by: Number7 on October 21, 2023, 12:59:46 PM
God complex? You do know that a common Christian idea is Jesus accompanies you when you’re desperately troubled. In what world did this idea ever mean a person had a God complex?
Besides, Trump didn’t make that picture, he’s reposting something someone else did for him, out of gratitude maybe. He seems to appreciate his supporters.
I don't know why, but he grabs onto anything and twists it into a reason to spew hatred at President Trump, as if his baseless horseshit is going to change our minds.
Attacking someone because some else created a meme he neither understands, nor cares to understand is a sign of a narrow minded bigot.
Post by: nddons on October 21, 2023, 04:29:31 PM
Grow up. I know what JAG officers do. They don’t all sit in Washington and head to the squash courts after work.
Actually I find this despicable:
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RDS was a JAG officer. JAG officers are not combat trained, nor do they accompany assigned teams into a battle area. JAG's don't even attend regular Navy OCS training, instead they are giving courses on military etiquette and military duties and responsibilities, more like college courses rather than the intensity of OCS. He was a company lawyer, nothing more.
This picture was RDS getting dressed up in SEAL equipment for a picture, much like the OwlGore picture of him holding a M16 in VN.
DeSantis was in theater in Fallujah and Ramadi. He wasn’t camped out at Camp Victory in Baghdad. That means he also had to ingress and egress into those battle areas. Anyone who did that had rifle training, and no doubt the Seals that he supported didn’t want him to be unprepared.
I played football with a retired Marine Colonel who faught in Fallujah, and lost fellow Marines under his command. According to him, there was no safe area for REMFs to hide out. Anyone in those theaters were at high risk.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/desantis-military-service-as-navy-lawyer-for-seal-commander/
Interesting you find DeSantis in battle dress offensive but not Trump’s deferments and bone spurs.
Post by: Mase on October 21, 2023, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 21, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
I am reminded of Dukakis in a tank.
at least the equipment fit
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
Grow up. I know what JAG officers do. They don’t all sit in Washington and head to the squash courts after work.
DeSantis was in theater in Fallujah and Ramadi. He wasn’t camped out at Camp Victory in Baghdad. That means he also had to ingress and egress into those battle areas. Anyone who did that had rifle training, and no doubt the Seals that he supported didn’t want him to be unprepared.
I played football with a retired Marine Colonel who faught in Fallujah, and lost fellow Marines under his command. According to him, there was no safe area for REMFs to hide out. Anyone in those theaters were at high risk.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/desantis-military-service-as-navy-lawyer-for-seal-commander/
Interesting you find DeSantis in battle dress offensive but not Trump’s deferments and bone spurs.
I served, and I know what I'm talking about. JAG officers are glorified lawyers that get to wear the uniform without any of the work. Even deployed, they don't carry weapons.
RDS pulled an OwlGore, and new one day his in theater photo ops would come in useful. Battle dress for a JAG is laughable.
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2023, 06:51:23 AM
The Predictable Plunge of DeSantis Into Political Obscurity
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The panic surrounding Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s 2024 presidential campaign is now seemingly palpable even to those who don’t live politics 24/7.
It didn’t have to be this way.
By most accounts, the Republican governor is a nice guy, a good husband, and a loving father. Unfortunately for him, and those who support him, he also seems to be a lousy campaigner.
Some might ask, “How could that be?” Indeed, DeSantis won reelection last November by almost 20 points. He quickly became the talk of the GOP. But a great campaigner? Evidently it’s just not so.
Though DeSantis was effective as a governor who worked to keep his state open for business during the height of COVID-19 lockdowns, school closures, masking and then vaccine dictates, the truth is he never really has been a very good campaigner.
In 2021, some Americans saw him as the white knight on a charger, riding off to do battle against the polarizing COVID mandates. But now, in the fall of 2023, some may view him as a mere mortal politician who’s simply campaigning for his own political future. That’s not necessarily a bad thing — unless, of course, you are a terrible campaigner and look visibly pained at times. Then, it becomes obvious that DeSantis would have a tough time selling … Ron DeSantis.
Some might object, “But what about when he beat Adam Putnam in the Republican primary to become the nominee for governor in August 2018, or when he beat Democrat Andrew Gillum that November to become governor-elect? Wasn’t that all because DeSantis was a great campaigner?” Nope.
The DeSantis win against the presumed favorite, Putnam, was mostly because Donald Trump endorsed DeSantis at the time. And that’s also why he beat Gillum, the former Tallahassee mayor, three months later.
The Tampa Bay Times reported on primary election night: “More than 1.5 million Republicans turned out for Tuesday’s Florida primary, but just one person clinched the GOP gubernatorial nomination for U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis over Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam. The moment President Donald Trump tweeted in late June that DeSantis ‘will be a Great Governor & has my full Endorsement!’ the northeast Florida congressman overtook Putnam, long viewed as among the brightest lights in the Florida GOP.”
Later in the same article, the Times — typically no friend to Trump — reported that Keith Rupp, a former aide to Putnam in Congress, wanted to leave the party. “I’ve been a lifelong Republican and I’ve worked for three different members of Congress,” the newspaper quoted Rupp as saying. “I can't believe the party has turned into a cult of personalities.”
That’s exactly one of the reasons that the DeSantis campaign is sinking to the bottom of the current Republican primary field. He chose the wrong cycle to run against a “cult of personality” — Trump — who is still regarded as a hero to millions of American voters.
I have long believed that 2024 was the wrong year for DeSantis to make a White House run. It would have been much better for him to wait out Trump — who will be limited by the Constitution to one term if he wins — and seek the presidency in 2028.
Now the shine of DeSantis’s star seems to be fading faster than those on Hollywood’s Walk of Fame. Not only is his star fading, but so is his platform.
What does DeSantis believe in? What is his vision for the nation? Instead of answering important questions such as these, each day now DeSantis seems to be looking for any issue to use to attack Trump. But as he tries to reboot himself into relevance, others are threatening to leapfrog him in the race to be second to Trump — most notably, former South Carolina governor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley. As The Atlantic recently put it, “Nikki Haley Is the New Ron DeSantis.”
How did Haley get a battlefield promotion? Well, as the site reported, “… more than anything, she has benefited from the dramatic flameout of DeSantis.”
To be sure, Haley has looked good — even decisive — in the two Republican debates so far. That said, she is finding some footing in a field that is less than stellar and often seen as annoyingly argumentative.
When the primary is over, Haley very well may come in second to Trump. But even if she does, the big story of the GOP primary season will remain the implosion of the DeSantis campaign. Perhaps it was predictable, if one looked beyond the hype of DeSantis vs. COVID.
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2023, 06:54:05 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fclips%2F2023%2F10%2F22%2Fliz-cheney-im-not-ruling-out-running-for-president%2F
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Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that she was not ruling out running for president.
Anchor Jake Tapper said, “Donald Trump is likely to be the next Republican presidential nominee, and he has a decent shot being elected the next president. It could happen. What would a second Donald Trump term look like?”
Cheney said, “Well, he cannot be the next president because if he is, all of the things that he attempted to do but was stopped from doing by responsible people around him, a at the Department of Justice and the White House Counsel office, he will do. There will be no guardrails and everyone has been warned. After January 6, after our investigation, after all of the evidence that we laid out about all of the steps and his multi-part plan to overturn the election, there could be no question that he will unravel the institutions of our democracy. So we’re facing a moment in American politics where we have to set aside partisanship and we have to make sure that people who believe in the Constitution are willing to come together to prevent him from ever again setting foot anywhere near the Oval Office.”
Tapper said, “You’re not ruling out a presidential run?”
Cheney said, “No, I’m not.”
Post by: Number7 on October 23, 2023, 07:46:45 AM
lizzy the piggy can join mikey pence and others polling below the decimal point.
What a wonderful way for the cunt to be remembered.
Post by: Anthony on October 23, 2023, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: Little Joe on October 24, 2023, 05:18:32 AM
My link is probably paywalled, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
Poll shows Biden, Trump tied at 37%
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RFK Jr. bid costing GOP front-runner support
Susan Page, Sudiksha Kochi, Savannah Kuchar and Karissa Waddick
USA TODAY
It's a tie: One year before the presidential election, Joe Biden and Donald Trump each command 37% of the vote in a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll − with independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. costing Trump what would have been a narrow lead.
Kennedy, scion of the nation's most revered Democratic family, won 13% of the vote in a hypothetical match-up, drawing voters who by 2-1 said they would otherwise support the probable Republican nominee.
Post by: Anthony on October 24, 2023, 03:49:45 PM
The younger people have it down because that's all they know. I took my gf to an antique shop when we were in Lancaster and they had a rotary phone. They don't know how to use them. Then I told her that I remembered when we had letters in our phone "numbers". It went downhill from there. I had to admit I was born before Zip Codes. We had "Zones" with two numbers if memory serves. Ugh.
Post by: Rush on October 24, 2023, 04:40:08 PM
I can spell, i just suck at typing on a phone, so there's that......
The younger people have it down because that's all they know. I took my gf to an antique shop when we were in Lancaster and they had a rotary phone. They don't know how to use them. Then I told her that I remembered when we had letters in our phone "numbers". It went downhill from there. I had to admit I was born before Zip Codes. We had "Zones" with two numbers if memory serves. Ugh.
There will be people voting in 2024 that are too young to remember 9/11. We are in trouble.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 24, 2023, 06:41:52 PM
There will be people voting in 2024 that are too young to remember 9/11. We are in trouble.
There will also be people voting in 2024 that are apparently too old to remember 9/11.
Post by: jb1842 on October 25, 2023, 04:43:27 AM
There will also be people voting in 2024 that are apparently too old to remember 9/11.
There will be people voting who hate our country and want it to happen again.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 25, 2023, 06:10:56 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2023, 06:48:06 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 25, 2023, 06:53:58 AM
Post by: Rush on October 25, 2023, 07:19:39 AM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/)
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Oh look! Indicting Trump with all those charges has really hurt him.
Post by: nddons on October 25, 2023, 08:30:18 AM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/)That’s what spending $20MM in attack ads and character destruction lies gets you.
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Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2023, 08:44:08 AM
That’s what spending $20MM in attack ads and character destruction lies gets you.
So you believe this has nothing to do with the popularity and position of the candidate, or his message? In your view it's only about who produces the best attack ads?
So why isn't Christie polling higher? He's been on nothing but a rampant attack 24/7. He doesn't talk policy, has no message except "I hate Trump".
And RDS should be polling higher since he's put out blistering attack ads on both Trump and Haley.
Post by: Username on October 25, 2023, 11:26:40 AM
https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/
Post by: Rush on October 27, 2023, 07:25:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1717886999359565976
For those of you without a Twitter account:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/26/politics/dean-phillips-presidential-campaign-launch/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2023-10-27T12:37:03
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 27, 2023, 08:56:08 PM
Who is this and does he have a chance?I say no chance at all.
Post by: Rush on October 28, 2023, 04:04:37 AM
I say no chance at all.
I guess if Kennedy figured he didn’t have a chance in the DNC why would anyone much less an unknown. But Kennedy actually has a pulse and might have been a threat to Biden (although his “anti-vax” stance would have all the Branch Covidians voting against him).
Unless the DNC is fixing to “fix” the primary. At this point nothing would surprise me.
I have no idea who this guy is, if he’s somebody the cabal figures they can control or an actual challenger.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 07:04:58 AM
I guess if Kennedy figured he didn’t have a chance in the DNC why would anyone much less an unknown. But Kennedy actually has a pulse and might have been a threat to Biden (although his “anti-vax” stance would have all the Branch Covidians voting against him).
Unless the DNC is fixing to “fix” the primary. At this point nothing would surprise me.
I have no idea who this guy is, if he’s somebody the cabal figures they can control or an actual challenger.
The DNC primary is already fixed and rigged to FJB. Through their delegate rules, and "super delegate" rules it makes it impossible for anyone to win except their chosen candidate. Even if RFK,Jr ran as a democrat, and let's say in certain states he actually won, with the rules in place FJB gets the delegates anyway. It's a complex and convoluted system designed to keep competitors out. This is why RFK,Jr correctly realized he couldn't run as a democrat.
Post by: Rush on October 28, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
The DNC primary is already fixed and rigged to FJB. Through their delegate rules, and "super delegate" rules it makes it impossible for anyone to win except their chosen candidate. Even if RFK,Jr ran as a democrat, and let's say in certain states he actually won, with the rules in place FJB gets the delegates anyway. It's a complex and convoluted system designed to keep competitors out. This is why RFK,Jr correctly realized he couldn't run as a democrat.
No wonder I have no idea how it works.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 09:12:33 AM
No wonder I have no idea how it works.
Hillary screwed Bernie much in the same way in 2016. The DNC is beyond corrupt. Why anyone with a brain associates with that organization is beyond me.
Both the DNC and RNC need to go away.
Post by: Rush on October 28, 2023, 09:27:25 AM
Hillary screwed Bernie much in the same way in 2016. The DNC is beyond corrupt. Why anyone with a brain associates with that organization is beyond me.
Both the DNC and RNC need to go away.
Yes I’ve recently come to realize that Democrat and Republican citizens have no control over who runs. It’s all DNC and RNC machinations, and then of course they fiddle with the elections too. And they are loyal to the respective parties, NOT to us! I will never again belong to, or donate to, either one.
Post by: nddons on October 28, 2023, 10:39:08 AM
The DNC primary is already fixed and rigged to FJB. Through their delegate rules, and "super delegate" rules it makes it impossible for anyone to win except their chosen candidate. Even if RFK,Jr ran as a democrat, and let's say in certain states he actually won, with the rules in place FJB gets the delegates anyway. It's a complex and convoluted system designed to keep competitors out. This is why RFK,Jr correctly realized he couldn't run as a democrat.I do think there will be a play for Newsom. Not sure how yet, but he’s in play I believe.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 11:23:59 AM
I do think there will be a play for Newsom. Not sure how yet, but he’s in play I believe.
That's the unknown. Newsom is trying very hard to get noticed, and it's evident he wants the WH. How they interject him is the question.
Right now the dems are dealing with a massive clusterfuck they created, and let get out of control. That, and FJB's family scandals which are escalating.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 01:53:06 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 01:56:47 PM
This explains the RDS attack ads and character destruction against Haley. :o ::)
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 02:31:48 PM
Nice God Complex. He’d probably fire Jesus if He told Trump something he didn’t want to hear.
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https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanthinker.com%2Farticles%2F2023%2F10%2Fno_supporting_trump_is_not_idol_worship.html
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More recently, a Washington Post exegesis declared: “Trump as Jesus? Why he casts himself as a martyr, and why fans go along.” The writer mocked a cartoon that showed Jesus Christ sitting next to Trump in a courtroom. (The Post failed to mention that the Trump-supporter who posted the drawing was Dom Lucre, AKA Dominick McGee, a black American, entrepreneur, and conservative influencer.) The caption on the drawing read, “This is the most accurate court sketch of all time. Because nobody could have made it this far alone.” In a touching public recognition that his faith was giving him strength, Trump re-posted the drawing.
But that’s not how critics saw it. The Washington Post wrote, “To protect his incredibly fragile ego, he needs to create this victimization. ... That’s where the martyrdom comes in.”
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 02:49:41 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/florida-republican-assembly-issues-declaration-urges-governor-desantis/
Florida Republican Assembly Issues Declaration Urges DeSantis to End Presidential Campaign and Return to Florida to Govern the State Again
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Here is their declaration:
ARTICLE IV, SECTION 1(A), OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GOVERNOR SHALL TAKE CARE THAT THE LAWS OF THE STATE BE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED, SHALL COMMISSION ALL OFFICERS OF THE STATE AND COUNTIES, AND TRANSACT ALL NECESSARY BUSINESS WITH THE OFFICERS OF GOVERNMENT.
WHEREAS, Governor Ron DeSantis was elected to serve the people of the State of Florida and to complete his four-year term, and
WHEREAS, Governor Ron DeSantis has been using his position as Governor to campaign for the office of the President of the United States, taking him away from his official duties and responsibilities to the citizens of Florida, frequently at taxpayer expense, and
WHEREAS, Governor DeSantis’ Presidential campaign has been met with a lack of enthusiasm by voters nationally and has not gained any significant momentum, in fact to the contrary and
WHEREAS, Governor DeSantis’ Presidential campaign has caused a distraction in the mechanism of government within Florida and the interests of Florida residents have been placed secondary to those of his presidential campaign. Public issues in dire need of attention or correction are the following; home owners and auto insurance of which premiums have sky rocketed, banning the jab (no mandatory required vaccines), correction of omissions and defects in the 2022 open carry legislation, legislation prohibiting any presence of non-Florida law enforcement agency’s such “the Capitol Police” within Florida, demands for justice for the January 6, Washington D.C. political prisoners of whom on a daily basis more and more hidden exculpatory evidence continues to surface indicating that January 6 was indeed a 2020 Pelosi / Schumer sponsored uniquely American replay of the 1933 Berlin Reichstag fire. Additionally, legislation prohibiting Florida’s assimilation into the World Economic Forum (WEF), the World Health Organization (WHO), and the United Nations based Vienna Organization falsely known for implying its advocacy of security and cooperation (OSCE/ODIHR) but in reality, known for unlawful interference in elections. And for strengthening and enforcement of protections against unlawful and corrupt persecution and prosecution of American citizens. All these and more are issues in need of immediate action by Governor DeSantis.
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Florida Republican Assembly urges Governor Ron DeSantis to conclude his presidential campaign and return to Florida to continue to serve out the remainder of his term as Governor. Furthermore, the Florida Republican Assembly requests that Governor DeSantis rededicate himself to the needs of Florida residents and prioritize their interests over his personal political ambitions. The Florida Republican Assembly recognizes that campaigning for office is an important aspect of the political process, but elected officials must always prioritize the needs of their constituents. We call upon Governor DeSantis and all elected officials of Florida to fulfill their duties with integrity and commitment to the people. Public service is a privilege, not a career advancement opportunity, and elected officials must always place the interests of their constituents first.
WITNESS, my hand and seal verifying the forgoing resolution adopted by unanimous vote, this 27* day of October, in the year of our Lord 2023.
Post by: Rush on October 28, 2023, 02:57:00 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/florida-republican-assembly-issues-declaration-urges-governor-desantis/
Florida Republican Assembly Issues Declaration Urges DeSantis to End Presidential Campaign and Return to Florida to Govern the State Again
“ demands for justice for the January 6, Washington D.C. political prisoners of whom on a daily basis more and more hidden exculpatory evidence continues to surface indicating that January 6 was indeed a 2020 Pelosi / Schumer sponsored uniquely American replay of the 1933 Berlin Reichstag fire. ”
Interesting.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2023, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: Old Crow on November 01, 2023, 05:49:25 AM
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2023, 07:17:48 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2023/10/31/islam-biden-election-israel-ceasefire-michigan/
I’ve been kind of neutral about this Israel/Palestine thing but the huge outpouring of leftists and college students all around the world, against Israel, on the side of the terrorists, is driving me in the opposite direction.
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2023, 07:28:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2023, 07:58:57 AM
Looks like Trump will be getting another indictment or even jailed.
Post by: nddons on November 01, 2023, 10:02:38 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2023/10/31/islam-biden-election-israel-ceasefire-michigan/“Hoist with his own petard.”
William Shakespeare
But go ahead, keep importing millions of Muslims who hate us and hate America. Then take a look at London and Paris, and be prepared for the same here.
Post by: nddons on November 01, 2023, 10:03:32 AM
I’ve been kind of neutral about this Israel/Palestine thing but the huge outpouring of leftists and college students all around the world, against Israel, on the side of the terrorists, is driving me in the opposite direction.The cognitive dissonance of these global and American anti-Jew and anti-Israel forces is unfathomable. Either they think it’s OK to kill a baby in an oven while raping his mother, or they intentionally close their eyes to the 10/7 slaughter.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2023, 06:37:32 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on November 03, 2023, 06:40:36 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 05, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
How Ron DeSantis Lost Florida to Donald Trump
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KISSIMMEE, Fla.—Ron DeSantis has been trying to persuade voters in Iowa and New Hampshire to back his presidential bid, but he has failed to make the case in his own state of Florida.
From polls to interviews with party activists and elected officials across the state, there are abundant signs Donald Trump would trounce the sitting governor in Florida among Republican voters—if DeSantis even makes it to the March 19 primary.
On Saturday, the increasingly bitter feud between the two Florida men resumed before 1,500 activists at a Republican candidate forum near Orlando. To twist the knife, Trump’s camp rolled out endorsements from a handful of state legislators who previously backed the governor.
DeSantis supporters flooded the room for his early afternoon speech, greeting him with booming applause and waving signs that read, “Florida is DeSantis country.” The candidate didn’t mention Trump by name but mocked those who talk a “big game,” adding, “but if you’re not ultimately winning elections and ultimately winning the big policy fights, then it’s not going to matter.”
Hours later, Trump came out to an even more rapturous reception, a video screen before him declaring, “Florida is Trump country,” and he called onto stage his new legislative supporters. “We’re going to win the state in a landslide next November,” he predicted.
Just a year ago, DeSantis was the hottest thing in Republican politics nationally, coming off a stunning re-election victory built on his handling of Covid-19 and conservative policies. He cast himself as a more effective—and winning—version of the former president.
But DeSantis has faded because of campaign missteps, including a decision to attack Trump from his right flank, which alienated moderate Republicans without peeling off Trump supporters. Meanwhile, Republicans everywhere have coalesced around Trump in response to his multiple criminal indictments. The Trump operation has bludgeoned DeSantis with more than $21 million in attack ads across the country.
Additional reasons are evident in Florida—a state both he and Trump can take credit for molding into America’s GOP hot spot—including a yearslong takeover of the Republican infrastructure by Trump’s allies and an aloof personal style of DeSantis that has left some elected officials feeling neglected.
“I’ve had zero communication whatsoever with him, despite the fact that on multiple occasions I’ve tried to establish a line of communication,” said U.S. Rep. Greg Steube, who like most of the Florida GOP congressional delegation is behind Trump.
Some GOP megadonors with ties to Florida who once saw DeSantis as the best chance to defeat Trump have been repelled by the governor’s positions over the last year, including his fight with Walt Disney Co., the signing of a six-week abortion ban and his characterization of Russia’s war with Ukraine as a “territorial dispute.”
And for his part, Trump is hammering a central complaint: that his endorsement of DeSantis in his 2018 run for governor was crucial and for DeSantis to now seek the presidency is an act of unforgivable disloyalty.
“He made a mistake in challenging Trump. He should have waited until 2028,” said Anthony Sabatini, chairman of the Lake County GOP, which last month became the first of Florida’s 67 county party organizations to endorse Trump. A congressional candidate, Sabatini says voters he talks with are “very mad” at DeSantis, even as they appreciate his work as governor.
The Florida Republican Assembly, a group with 5,000 members, has mounted a phone and email campaign demanding DeSantis bow out. “We love the governor but we’re asking him to come back and do his job,” said executive Vice President Lou Marin, a grassroots leader for Trump in 2016. “To go against Trump, that’s like suicide.”
DeSantis and his allies say he has time to climb back. “The governor will win his home state because Floridians want to see a fighter who will bring the same type of results-oriented leadership to Washington that he has provided in the Sunshine State,” spokesman Andrew Romeo said.
His best, perhaps only, hope is a strong showing in Iowa, which in mid January holds the first nominating contest. DeSantis has dispatched a large number of his staff to the state.
“What I would encourage voters to do is really look hard at the fact that elections are about the future, not the past,” said Florida House Speaker Paul Renner, a Republican, who notes that unlike Trump, DeSantis could serve two terms as president.
John Stemberger, a prominent antiabortion activist in Florida, is confident DeSantis’s hard work in Iowa will pay off. Still, he lamented Trump’s appeal.
“Unfortunately people like to be entertained and there is no greater entertainer than Donald Trump,” Stemberger said. “It’s like one giant Jerry Springer show.”
The back-and-forth took a schoolyard turn this week, with the Trump camp poking DeSantis over cowboy boots he wears, claiming he is trying to look taller, and DeSantis selling golf balls and saying if Trump “had a pair” he would show up to the third presidential debate Wednesday in Miami. Trump is skipping it and will hold a rally that night in nearby Hialeah. The next day Trump is throwing a party for Florida Republicans at Mar-a-Lago, his home in Palm Beach.
DeSantis has joined Republicans in criticizing the state and federal investigations into Trump. But he also argues that if Trump is convicted, it would be “fatal” for the party in a general election. Supporters of DeSantis and other GOP candidates note the 77-year-old Trump could end up in jail, or could be sidelined by a health issue.
DeSantis, 45, has accelerated attacks on Trump, including questioning his stamina and mental readiness. “I don’t think he’s got the same energy, I don’t think he’s got the same pizazz,” he said Thursday on MSNBC.
But a growing number of Florida insiders, including some who support DeSantis, question the governor’s candidacy. Some fear DeSantis could do lasting damage to his political career by staying in the race too long. The governor now has to worry about being overtaken by former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley as the leading alternative to Trump.
Trump won Florida in 2016 by 1.2 percentage points and increased that to 3.3 percentage points in 2020. DeSantis, who barely won his first term in 2018, captured a second by 19 percentage points, a rare success for Republicans as Trump-backed candidates in several high-profile races elsewhere in the country fell short.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has sent a lot of staff to Iowa, which holds the first presidential nominating contest, and where in August he greeted people at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines. PHOTO: SERGIO FLORES FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Yet grassroots supporters remained avidly behind the former president, and Trump has flexed that strength. In September, the Republican Party of Florida was forced to scrap a requirement for candidates appearing on the primary ballot to sign a loyalty pledge to support the eventual nominee, because Trump has resisted making such pledges.
“It showed that Trump’s still in command of the party,” said state Sen. Joe Gruters. He is one of only a handful of state legislators who have publicly backed Trump over the governor, though the Trump campaign in recent weeks has worked to flip some. DeSantis still has an overwhelming number of endorsements from Tallahassee.
State Senate President Kathleen Passidomo said her personal interactions with DeSantis have been cordial and productive, countering descriptions from some lawmakers who back Trump, and that he remains engaged on state issues. She acknowledged, however, his current position in the race.
“Negative attacks apparently make a difference,” she said.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 07, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
https://twitter.com/DecentFiJC/status/1721870792110088229
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2023, 09:41:19 AM
https://youtu.be/ci7b7EGiqOU?si=934oCjzl-gQbj4Uk
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I believe at last count we’ve lost 8 governor seats and enough Senate seats to lose the Senate.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2023, 09:46:20 AM
The establishment only wants to keep status quo (or less) as long as they can keep working with the democrats to keep their grift going.
As long as Mitch McConnell remains in power, and his fellow grifters Paul Ryan, John Cornyn, the Bush's and the others are content to let the democrats have power.
Ronna Botox is also happy to keep grifting the RNC as well to support her lifestyle and keep listening to her uncle.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2023, 09:58:41 AM
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Republicans did not lose because of abortion itself, it’s how the party handles the issue or rather does not handle the issue.
And there are bigger growing problems.
Republicans are losing Republican voters because the base is fed up with weak Republicans who never do anything to actually stop the communist democrats.
Our voters are not inspired to vote for a party that wants to play nice and refuses to hold accountable communists who locked everyone down during the scamdemic, violated their free speech and censored us on social media, steals elections, weaponizes the government against (us) it’s political enemies and is persecuting people, rips our border open to the entire world and floods our country with millions of unknown people and terrorists, funds every foreign war but refuses to defend our own border, and sexually grooms our children to the point they are cutting off their own body parts to “change their gender” before they are even finished growing up.
The Democrats have turned so far left they are communists using Marxism to destroy everything good while they enslave America in crushing debt that is driving inflation that is financially ruining Americans as they can’t make ends meet and drown in credit card debt.
People are losing hope and can’t see a way out and think it’s all going to get worse.
Strongly worded letters and tough talking media hits will not stop the overgrown and out of control Democrat run tyrannical government.
The Republican Party is tone deaf and weak.
They think I don’t fit-in in Washington when in reality I very accurately represent how the Republican voting base feels and Washington Republicans do not.
Republican voters are energized and can not wait to vote for President Trump because he is addressing every issue I just named and they trust him to fix these insane problems we have and the American people believe he is the only one that will actually do it.
Every poll shows it to the dismay of Trump hating establishment Republicans and Trump deranged Democrats who are both united in their quest to stop Trump but more accurately stop the people.
Just wait until the Republican Party finds out how bad turn out will be once the days of Trump rallies and Trump on the ticket are finally gone.
They will try their best to pretend to be him but the people will not be fooled by their rhetoric no more and bold actions will be the only campaign speeches they will turn an ear to even hear.
Those days will eventually come and the Republican Party has only a short time to change their weak ways before they lose the base for years to come.
On the abortion issue.
Republicans lose on abortion because they have for decades allowed democrats to lie about abortion on every level.
Republicans refuse to fight hard against the evil lies of the democrats who claim “abortion is women’s healthcare and a right.”
It is NOT!
Abortion is murder.
It kills another human being, the most innocent of all.
Healthcare saves lives.
Abortion kills lives.
A baby in it’s mother’s womb is not a parasite like democrats say, a baby is God’s beautiful creation and God does not make mistakes and has a plan for every single one of us.
Abortion does not solve a woman’s problem, but having an abortion will leave you scarred for life and regretfully questioning “what if?” for the rest of your life.
Motherhood is the most wonderful blessing and most incredible journey of a woman’s life. Being a mother is something to be proud of, delight in, and yearn for.
Abortion is not birth control but democrats have normalized it so much that it has become so.
Over 63 million people have been murdered in the past 50 years from abortions.
Abortion is genocide and none of their screams are heard when each of them are slaughtered in their mother’s wombs.
These precious little ones can not fight, can not defend themselves, can not flee the abortionists’s weapons of choice that they use to brutally murder them.
Calling this ongoing genocide “healthcare” is an abomination and political lie that democrats use in order to manipulate women to vote for them and continue the child sacrifices that enable democrats to maintain power.
There is nothing more evil.
Republicans must stop being afraid to stand up to democrats disgusting lies about abortion.
When Republicans boldly speak the truth and present solutions to help women in crisis into motherhood then we will win on this issue.
Many voters vote for candidates and the party that offers solutions and help to solve the problems people are facing.
Producing ads that graphically show the truth of an abortion as a baby is being ripped apart or dies lying on a cold metal trey gasping for air after being ripped out of its mother’s womb is the truth America needs to see versus the democrat’s never ending ads lying to women that baby murder is their right.
Too offensive? No not for America and definitely not for democrats.
Remember they are the party that supports men dressing in women’s clothes and provocatively showing their genitals to children during street parades or story time and then throw money at them or encourage their children to tip the monsters themselves.
The Republican Party needs to boldly offer the truth, the solutions, and most importantly fight with everything we have to stop communism in America and protect the most innocent among us.
Truth wins when it shines brightly and is not covered or dimmed.
We must powerfully declare the truth.
Our nation’s survival depends on it.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2023, 10:58:12 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/marjorie-taylor-greene-weighs-gops-complete-trainwreck-performance/
The first half is absolutely correct and she’s right in the second half that abortion is killing a human life but she doesn’t make clear her stance on a national abortion ban. The Republicans pushing for a national ban are not going to win on that issue no matter how morally right it is. They claimed for 50 years under RvW that it’s a states rights issue and they were correct but now they want to hypocritically put the shoe on the other foot and the public won’t stand for it. Like it or not most people think abortion should be legal in the first trimester and will not vote for a complete ban or a national ban, which means the Republicans will LOSE. Which means they’re going to lose on everything, the economy, foreign policy, illegal immigration, everything.
Trump wisely understands this, hence his forbearance when asked if he would support a national abortion ban. What the people want is Trump the populist, not moral absolutism at the federal level. Trump already did his part by appointing the justices that overturned RvW. It’s time for GOP to take the win, thank Trump, and fucking back off the issue.
We need to defeat the communist Democrats. The GOP is weak and tone deaf, she’s right, but not in the way she seems to think. Trying to use abortion as the strategy to strengthen Republican wins will fail miserably. She thinks she is going to educate the latest generation of voters into becoming pro-life? When they are backing the hell off relationships and commitments of any kind? The women seemingly uninterested in ever being mothers? The economy so bad the young people can barely support themselves never mind children. The GOP is tone deaf all right, they’re completely blind to reality if they think pushing the abortion issue beyond leaving it in the states’ jurisdiction is a winning strategy.
Do the Republicans want to be right or do they want to win, so they can kick out the Democrats in the long run?
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2023, 11:04:42 AM
Blame it on RINO's. Blame it on Trump (or anti-Trumpers) or climate change or whatever you want to blame it on.
But I blame it on Republicans insistence on being "right" on this. They will be "dead right". It didn't have to be this way, but now, even Biden can win because Republicans chose the path less traveled.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 08, 2023, 11:09:27 AM
I'm going to have to adjust to the Democrats winning in 2024. Abortion is not a subject where people on either side change their views - so when the polls and votes show that evangelical Republicans in the US hold the minority view on the subject then no amount of PR is going to change the final outcome.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
"Abortion is murder."
I'm going to have to adjust to the Democrats winning in 2024. Abortion is not a subject where people on either side change their views - so when the polls and votes show that evangelical Republicans in the US hold the minority view on the subject then no amount of PR is going to change the final outcome.
Technically abortion is homicide, not murder. “Murder” is a legal term meaning the unlawful taking of a human life with malice (not accidental). “Unlawful” being the key word. An illegal back ally abortion could be considered murder. I take issue with terminology being used incorrectly in the context of legal abortion.
It is “homicide” in that the fetus or embryo is a human being from conception.
I mean maybe PR could change people’s viewpoints but the odds of it changing enough people quickly enough to win elections in time to save this country are extremely low, probably impossible. We only have 12 months. If the Democrats win again in 2024 I believe we will have lost our last chance to delay the slide into permanent one party tyranny.
We will be lucky if all the young voters who want abortion to be legal don’t end up all shipped off to die in the Mideast or Europe. If Trump doesn’t win, I calculate the odds of being drawn into war near 100%. And we’ll be lucky if it doesn’t go nuclear. That’s what these Republican abortion hardliners are going to face if they don’t drop their moral rectitude and start looking at the big picture.
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2023, 01:27:42 PM
"Abortion is murder."Many people believe that. I have had Catholic friends made that statement, until their son got some girl pregnant. Then abortion didn't seem so bad to them any more.
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I'm going to have to adjust to the Democrats winning in 2024.But your decision also means that I have to adjust to the Democrats winning in 2024, and forever after. Why should your moral convictions condemn me to that?
Edit to ask for clarification: Jim, if I misunderstood you, I apologize. On further review, I can see that you were possibly conceding that since nobody is going to change their minds on this issue, and that opposing abortion is a losing proposition, even if it is the right one, then resigning oneself to the inevitable failure may not be a preferred choice, but an inevitable one.
In other words, I'm not sure what you were saying.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 08, 2023, 02:11:56 PM
Many people believe that. I have had Catholic friends made that statement, until their son got some girl pregnant. Then abortion didn't seem so bad to them any more...
which indicates that they are using emotion rather than rational reasoning.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 08, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
which indicates that they are using emotion rather than rational reasoning.Having someone homicide one’s grandchild would be, to such a person, a reasonable act. Never mind the lifelong consequences to the mother of the homicided baby.
This is why it’s critical not to perform the act that creates a child until you’re married and can support and raise a child. I don’t seem to get much traction with that concept with the guys here. It seems a no-brainer though.
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Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2023, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2023, 02:46:24 PM
Having someone homicide one’s grandchild would be, to such a person, a reasonable act. Never mind the lifelong consequences to the mother of the homicided baby.
This is why it’s critical not to perform the act that creates a child until you’re married and can support and raise a child. I don’t seem to get much traction with that concept with the guys here. It seems a no-brainer though.
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Yep. Or at the very least use a reliable form of birth control. When Texas passed its six week ban I happened to have my regular gyno exam and I asked her what changes she has seen with her patients. She said they got way busier with women coming in to get The Pill who had been using abortion as birth control. Appalling!
If my daughter aborted my grandchild I would never forgive her. Severe birth defects or something that’s another story, but we are talking about abortion for “convenience”. Abhorrent.
But as a political issue abortion has historically been considered unethical and illegal only after quickening (when the mother first felt movement, around 16 weeks) and therefore it seems people have always had the idea the baby isn’t really “human” in the early weeks. That’s not recent, that’s been true forever. So MTG thinks she is going to reverse the opinion average people have held for thousands of years? Not going to happen, and you need those numbers to win elections.
I’m not saying not to try. I absolutely believe education is needed and should be pursued, and Planned Parenthood not be funded, and pro life protesters shouldn’t be arrested, and abortion should never be presented to children as part of “sex education” as a reasonable solution to an unplanned pregnancy. Do all these things, but don’t imagine that you’re going to win elections by harping on “we need a federal abortion ban”. That’ll be the quickest way to give Biden another 4 years.
Post by: Little Joe on November 08, 2023, 02:57:04 PM
Having someone homicide one’s grandchild would be, to such a person, a reasonable act. Never mind the lifelong consequences to the mother of the homicided baby.I agree with you completely. And no crude remarks from this corner.
This is why it’s critical not to perform the act that creates a child until you’re married and can support and raise a child. I don’t seem to get much traction with that concept with the guys here. It seems a no-brainer though.
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But abstinence has not been successful throughout the history of mankind, or animal kind for that matter. What makes anyone think we can successfully enforce it now?
I think the United States has been, and could again be, a beacon of light and hope for the whole world. But not if we sacrifice it all for a moral decision to prevent other people from making their own decisions.
Abortion is a bigger single vote determinant on the left than the 2nd is on the right.
I would prefer to live in a country that allows restricted abortion than in a country controlled by a liberal cabal.
One other point:
Jim says abortion is murder.
How is that worse than standing by while many thousands die because they can't afford medical care. Does that mean we should provide free medical care for all?
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1722377755352834326?s=12&t=a-6eIWHCOITwIFUMcu0RKQ&fbclid=IwAR3IO_hTL35Z_2bOMEn8Vz19EByNLJEqRygoRkJlBL5l2rVNaJjqyyHMYEo_aem_ATgB1Cla7aSZFxT17pSaMJqrzQTJlNjOSXsz9_RyRiuh3aSxhnRfA0ZDiK0QytMlVtQ
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 08, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
I agree with you completely. And no crude remarks from this corner.
But abstinence has not been successful throughout the history of mankind, or animal kind for that matter. What makes anyone think we can successfully enforce it now?
Who said anything about “enforcing” abstinence? You teach your sons to respect women and wait for marriage, and you teach your daughters to respect their bodies and wait for marriage. Especially wait for a man who is willing to wait.
You say it doesn’t work? I’ve seen it work. It’s what works best for human flourishing, and if the majority of people followed the principle, most of our society’s ills would diminish.
Look, I’m sure we agree that self restraint is healthy and one can avoid many bad consequences by practicing it. But our shallow, dysfunctional culture bombards us all day and night with the idea we can do whatever we want and have no consequences from it. We even glorify lack of self restraint and claim that “it’s not their fault.”
Yes, it is.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2023, 04:43:22 PM
Hey, here’s an idea. Let’s all push for Trump to be the nominee, then see the Supreme Courts in the battleground states one by one eliminate Trump from the general election ballot.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1722377755352834326?s=12&t=a-6eIWHCOITwIFUMcu0RKQ&fbclid=IwAR3IO_hTL35Z_2bOMEn8Vz19EByNLJEqRygoRkJlBL5l2rVNaJjqyyHMYEo_aem_ATgB1Cla7aSZFxT17pSaMJqrzQTJlNjOSXsz9_RyRiuh3aSxhnRfA0ZDiK0QytMlVtQ
OK Stan, I'll bite. How would the SC eliminate Trump from the ballot?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 08, 2023, 05:08:10 PM
Who said anything about “enforcing” abstinence? You teach your sons to respect women and wait for marriage, and you teach your daughters to respect their bodies and wait for marriage. Especially wait for a man who is willing to wait.
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Post by: nddons on November 08, 2023, 05:34:45 PM
OK Stan, I'll bite. How would the SC eliminate Trump from the ballot?Well, to start with you could read what I wrote where I mentioned the Supreme Courts of the battleground states, not the SCOTUS.
Then you can read the tweet.
You can go further and click on The Washington Post and read the article for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/08/minnesota-supreme-court-2024-ballot-trump/
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Well, to start with you could read what I wrote where I mentioned the Supreme Courts of the battleground states, not the SCOTUS.
Then you can read the tweet.
You can go further and click on The Washington Post and read the article for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/08/minnesota-supreme-court-2024-ballot-trump/
OK, lets break this down. They are still trying to use the Fourteenth Amendment argument, which does not apply.
First, you have to read the entire 14th amendment, not cherry pick Section 3.
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AMENDMENT XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Notice Section 5. Only the US Congress has the authority to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions (all) of this article.
And Congress has indeed done this. See 18 USC 2383 - Rebellion or Insurrection.
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Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Has Trump been charged and/or convicted of this statute? Nope. NOBODY involved with J6 has either.
So, by the reading of the 14th, how can he be excluded from a ballot if he hasn't been convicted of 18 USC 2383, which is the law congress enacted as per Section 5 of the 14th?
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 08, 2023, 05:55:50 PM
Technically abortion is homicide, not murder. “Murder” is a legal term meaning the unlawful taking of a human life with malice (not accidental). “Unlawful” being the key word. An illegal back ally abortion could be considered murder. I take issue with terminology being used incorrectly in the context of legal abortion.Sorry I haven't replied earlier - to be clear the "Abortion is murder" quote comes from Marjorie Taylor Greene. It isn't clear what meaning she and others intend, but I presume the legal meaning.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2023, 06:00:31 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3805)
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 08, 2023, 06:04:03 PM
Many people believe that. I have had Catholic friends made that statement, until their son got some girl pregnant. Then abortion didn't seem so bad to them any more.But your decision also means that I have to adjust to the Democrats winning in 2024, and forever after. Why should your moral convictions condemn me to that?You summarized the intent of my post in the sentence "On further review...." I'm a little too terse at times, particularly when I'm rushed. Sorry. Though sometimes Rush or someone else will help me along in my absence by doing what Gus Grissom's fellow astronauts did in the "What Gus is saying" scene from the movie "The Right Stuff".
Edit to ask for clarification: Jim, if I misunderstood you, I apologize. On further review, I can see that you were possibly conceding that since nobody is going to change their minds on this issue, and that opposing abortion is a losing proposition, even if it is the right one, then resigning oneself to the inevitable failure may not be a preferred choice, but an inevitable one.
In other words, I'm not sure what you were saying.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 08, 2023, 06:10:19 PM
Jim says abortion is murder.Probably already saw my response to Rush, but "Abortion is murder" is a quote from article posted by Lucifer that was made by Marjorie Taylor Greene.
How is that worse than standing by while many thousands die because they can't afford medical care. Does that mean we should provide free medical care for all?
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2023, 06:18:15 PM
Sorry I haven't replied earlier - to be clear the "Abortion is murder" quote comes from Marjorie Taylor Greene. It isn't clear what meaning she and others intend, but I presume the legal meaning.
Yep, I understood you were quoting MTG. I saw the quotes you put around it. ;D
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2023, 10:18:14 AM
OK, lets break this down. They are still trying to use the Fourteenth Amendment argument, which does not apply.I’m not endorsing that argument. I think it’s wrong too. But whether it’s right or wrong is really irrelevant. It’s happening and moving through the courts or legislatures. States still have power here. I thought it could never happen, but with the Wisconsin Supreme Court recently turning liberal, I would have no confidence that the Wisconsin supremes would find the left’s case unconstitutional.
First, you have to read the entire 14th amendment, not cherry pick Section 3.
Notice Section 5. Only the US Congress has the authority to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions (all) of this article.
And Congress has indeed done this. See 18 USC 2383 - Rebellion or Insurrection.
Has Trump been charged and/or convicted of this statute? Nope. NOBODY involved with J6 has either.
So, by the reading of the 14th, how can he be excluded from a ballot if he hasn't been convicted of 18 USC 2383, which is the law congress enacted as per Section 5 of the 14th?
Note however that the 14th Amendment does not have a prerequisite of conviction. Why do you think the democrats and the media have been pounding the drum changing the English language to be calling January 6th an insurrection?
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2023, 10:37:01 AM
I’m not endorsing that argument. I think it’s wrong too. But whether it’s right or wrong is really irrelevant. It’s happening and moving through the courts or legislatures. States still have power here. I thought it could never happen, but with the Wisconsin Supreme Court recently turning liberal, I would have no confidence that the Wisconsin supremes would find the left’s case unconstitutional.
Note however that the 14th Amendment does not have a prerequisite of conviction. Why do you think the democrats and the media have been pounding the drum changing the English language to be calling January 6th an insurrection?
The 14th does have a prerequisite to conviction, read section 5. Congress has indeed enforced by appropriate legislation by enacting 18 USC 2383. Section 5 does not grant this to anyone except the US Congress, so states can pound sand.
The left have pounded the J6 as an insurrection, but they have yet to use 18 USC 2383 to charge or convict anyone. Why is that? Because they won't make it stick, and they know it.
Everyone, including an ex-president has rights in this country, and the right to a trial. Cherry picking a section out of an amendment of the constitution and declaring someone guilty without due process is unconstitutional.
If the left is so confident of their "insurrection" claims, let them pursue 18 USC 2383 and try to convict under that statute. They already know they can't.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2023, 11:24:06 AM
https://timcast.com/news/ronna-mcdaniel-overheard-trashing-vivek-ramaswamy-in-debate-audience-saying-he-wont-get-a-cent-from-us/
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“He’s an asshole. Total asshole,” McDaniel said. “He’s desperate because he’s doing bad in the polls. He won’t be getting a cent from us.”
She also loudly booed him during his exchange with Nikki Haley, according to the person sitting nearby.
“She was in complete MELTDOWN mode over Vivek,” the source said. “This was in the middle of the audience, within ear shot of at least 50 people.”
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2023, 02:19:57 PM
Until the republicans get rid of Ronna Botox, don't expect any improvement.
https://timcast.com/news/ronna-mcdaniel-overheard-trashing-vivek-ramaswamy-in-debate-audience-saying-he-wont-get-a-cent-from-us/
Look at that turned up pig nose that Fat Ass has. What a disgrace!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 09, 2023, 04:55:21 PM
Until the republicans get rid of Ronna Botox, don't expect any improvement.I’ve said it many times. The Republican Party is beyond saving. President Trump needs to start a new party. The 80 million Trump voters will immediately be in it. The nation is fed up with grifting, ineffective and self-serving “leaders.” We’ll never get anywhere clinging to this old model of D and R. It’s not working. The Uniparty has to be dismantled.
https://timcast.com/news/ronna-mcdaniel-overheard-trashing-vivek-ramaswamy-in-debate-audience-saying-he-wont-get-a-cent-from-us/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 09, 2023, 05:40:33 PM
Until the republicans get rid of Ronna Botox, don't expect any improvement.I read it as, Vivek is over the target scoring lots of points so we have to crush him.
https://timcast.com/news/ronna-mcdaniel-overheard-trashing-vivek-ramaswamy-in-debate-audience-saying-he-wont-get-a-cent-from-us/ (https://timcast.com/news/ronna-mcdaniel-overheard-trashing-vivek-ramaswamy-in-debate-audience-saying-he-wont-get-a-cent-from-us/)
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 09, 2023, 05:43:13 PM
The Uniparty has to be dismantled.
Hear, hear!
Maybe we should figure out the Latin for this and it can be an analog of “Carthago delenda est”
If only my late father were still around to ask
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 09, 2023, 05:54:40 PM
Great on a tee shirt!
Post by: Rush on November 09, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
Hear, hear!
Maybe we should figure out the Latin for this and it can be an analog of “Carthago delenda est”
If only my late father were still around to ask
My father spoke Latin too.
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2023, 01:59:57 AM
I’ve said it many times. The Republican Party is beyond saving. President Trump needs to start a new party. The 80 million Trump voters will immediately be in it. The nation is fed up with grifting, ineffective and self-serving “leaders.” We’ll never get anywhere clinging to this old model of D and R. It’s not working. The Uniparty has to be dismantled.
For the U.S. Territory to become a country again, the UNIPARTY must go! This means removing the GOP from the equation and replacing it with a real adversarial party that does not act in its own self-interest for personal, individual wealth. This also means the lobbyists must get scared of losing more than money.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 04:14:46 AM
This means removing the GOP from the equation and replacing it with a real adversarial party that does not act in its own self-interest for personal, individual wealth.How would that work exactly?
For one thing, unless every R (including so-called RINO-s) joined the new party you will just have two smaller parties.
And for another, it is sort of like saying "if men would only learn self control and not get girls pregnant". It ain't going to happen. Never has, never will. Politicians will always find a way to enrich themselves at the people's expense. That is why they are politicians, except for the very small number of truly self-sacrificing-service-oriented people that go into politics. But they get eaten up before they can do any good.
Even if every person that owns a gun revolts and overthrows the government,we will be right back here in short order when the guys with the biggest guns take over.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 04:20:05 AM
How would that work exactly?Another way it could happen would be if everyone near the center (left of center and right of center) where the biggest part of the bell curve lives would cooperate and (omg) compromise.
For one thing . . .
Left center would give up demands for extreme wokeness, repealing 2A and a full blown nanny-state.
Right of center would compromise on abortion, allow SOME gun control measures and create a workable safety net for the truly poor and needy, and contribute (or at least not resist) some climate initiatives.
But I don't see too many people lining up and be willing to do any of that.
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2023, 04:43:25 AM
Another way it could happen would be if everyone near the center (left of center and right of center) where the biggest part of the bell curve lives would cooperate and (omg) compromise.
Left center would give up demands for extreme wokeness, repealing 2A and a full blown nanny-state.
Right of center would compromise on abortion, allow SOME gun control measures and create a workable safety net for the truly poor and needy, and contribute (or at least not resist) some climate initiatives.
But I don't see too many people lining up and be willing to do any of that.
We already have 22,000 ILLEGAL gun laws on the books. How many more "measures" should we allow??? ::)
We've compromised way too much already on the 2A. Most of the so-called mass shooting occur in GUN FREE ZONES in states that already have draconian gun laws way beyond what the Constitution allows. The inner-city Black on Black homicides where a gun is used already have very restrictive gun laws. You want to allow more?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 10, 2023, 05:27:58 AM
It's not the gun that's the problem.
Until we address the root cause(s), all the gun control in the world won't matter.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 05:40:00 AM
We already have 22,000 ILLEGAL gun laws on the books. How many more "measures" should we allow??? ::)Maybe two or three, as long as they are enforced, and get rid of the 22,000 which if you removed all of the redundant regulations would probably number less than 100.
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We've compromised way too much already on the 2A.Which demonstrates my point exactly. I don't think we have compromised much at all in the past. We have surrendered or been defeated, but we haven't compromised. If we had, we wouldn't be in this situation. Compromise means you get something out of the deal as well as giving something up. What have we gotten? I'm certainly not tired of winning yet.
Post by: Number7 on November 10, 2023, 06:21:08 AM
When have the fucking liberals EVER compromised?????
Compromise is what gives lefties a boner every time, because compromise to a democrat is they take what they want and we give it to them.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 10, 2023, 06:22:49 AM
Post by: nddons on November 10, 2023, 06:31:16 AM
Maybe two or three, as long as they are enforced, and get rid of the 22,000 which if you removed all of the redundant regulations would probably number less than 100.Since every gun control law ONLY restricts the law abiding citizen, how exactly would some other magical law(s) reduce gun crimes?
Which demonstrates my point exactly. I don't think we have compromised much at all in the past. We have surrendered or been defeated, but we haven't compromised. If we had, we wouldn't be in this situation. Compromise means you get something out of the deal as well as giving something up. What have we gotten? I'm certainly not tired of winning yet.
Post by: nddons on November 10, 2023, 06:33:30 AM
The siren song of every mushy middler is that WE must compromise.Literally every compromise conservatives make is met by ridicule from the liberals. Republicans are Charlie Brown, and democrats are Lucy.
When have the fucking liberals EVER compromised?????
Compromise is what gives lefties a boner every time, because compromise to a democrat is they take what they want and we give it to them.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 07:44:41 AM
Since every gun control law ONLY restricts the law abiding citizen, how exactly would some other magical law(s) reduce gun crimes?Make laws that don't only restrict law abiding citizens, and ENFORCE them.
Use a gun to commit a crime, go to prison for a long time. FIRST TIME. Second time, LIFE (or death).
Enforce that for a while and see what happens to crimes using a gun.
I read an article recently where the local police force had only been seriously investigating gun crimes where a death occurred. If the victim accidentally lived, they barely investigated. They made a strategic decision to investigate ALL gun crimes and found that their success rate was higher and gun crime began to decline.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 10, 2023, 07:47:11 AM
Make laws that don't only restrict law abiding citizens, and ENFORCE them.
I'm hoping you meant something like this:
Make laws that don't restrict law abiding citizens.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 07:48:17 AM
Literally every compromise conservatives make is met by ridicule from the liberals. Republicans are Charlie Brown, and democrats are Lucy.As I said, conservatives have not been compromising. They have been surrendering, or just accepting defeat.
My point was that BOTH SIDES compromise. And that won't happen when we let either the far left or the far right (which most of the people on this site are) lead the way. The center left and the center right is the only place where true compromise might have a chance.
I don't know if that can ever happen. But I do believe that unless it does happen thing will continue to get worse.
Is there ANYTHING you would be willing to compromise on if it was a true give-and-take and not just capitulation?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 10, 2023, 07:48:23 AM
I read an article recently where the local police force had only been seriously investigating gun crimes where a death occurred. If the victim accidentally lived, they barely investigated. They made a strategic decision to investigate ALL gun crimes and found that their success rate was higher and gun crime began to decline.
Did crime go down? or just crimes committed by someone using a gun?
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 07:49:35 AM
I'm hoping you meant something like this:That would be my ideal, but in true compromise, neither side gets exactly what they want.
Make laws that don't restrict law abiding citizens.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 10, 2023, 07:50:04 AM
I have this hope/dream that the best compromise is when all parties are happy.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 07:51:06 AM
Did crime go down? or just crimes committed by someone using a gun?I don't recall, but if just crimes committed using guns went down significantly that would reduce the impetus to enact more gun control. Of course we may find we are then debating knife control or bomb control or rope control.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 07:53:14 AM
So many people think compromise is when both sides are unhappy.I don't know the true definition of compromise, and I'm too lazy to look it up,
I have this hope/dream that the best compromise is when all parties are happy.
But I think that both sides must be kind of happy and kind of unhappy at the same time. Otherwise it was not a compromise but a true solution. Compromise means you give up something to get something. Nobody is going to be happy about giving up something.
Post by: Number7 on November 10, 2023, 07:56:01 AM
Literally every compromise conservatives make is met by ridicule from the liberals. Republicans are Charlie Brown, and democrats are Lucy.
And the only way to end that cycle is for the opposition to fight the communist democrat party the exact same way they fight us.
You don't negotiate with terrorists, and this last 2 weeks have shown the communist/fascist democrat party with their sheet pulled back. They are a party of terror, racism, hate, and violence.
fuck them and their feelings.
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2023, 08:12:02 AM
Gun control is all about disarming citizens, period. Use history as a guide, and see what happens to each country that has success in disarming the populace.
Our founding fathers realized early on that an armed citizenry could and would rebel a tyrannical government. This is why the second amendment was written with clear and concise language.
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2023, 08:17:17 AM
Maybe two or three, as long as they are enforced, and get rid of the 22,000 which if you removed all of the redundant regulations would probably number less than 100.
Which demonstrates my point exactly. I don't think we have compromised much at all in the past. We have surrendered or been defeated, but we haven't compromised. If we had, we wouldn't be in this situation. Compromise means you get something out of the deal as well as giving something up. What have we gotten? I'm certainly not tired of winning yet.
Murder and other crimes committed with a gun are already illegal. The ACTS are illegal and perps almost always prohibited from touching a gun.
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
Murder and other crimes committed with a gun are already illegal. The ACTS are illegal and perps almost always prohibited from touching a gun.Murder is usually investigated pretty thoroughly, and if one is caught and convicted they are generally harshly punished.
But attempted murder is often NOT investigated as thoroughly, and robberies using a gun are investigated even less. And intimidation with a gun is practically condoned if the perp is not a white male. This causes people to think they can commit a crime with a gun and escape punishment. THAT has to change.
And NONE of that is aimed at law-abiding citizens.
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2023, 08:36:23 AM
But attempted murder is often NOT investigated as thoroughly, and robberies using a gun are investigated even less. And intimidation with a gun is practically condoned if the perp is not a white male. This causes people to think they can commit a crime with a gun and escape punishment. THAT has to change.
Where are you getting your data from?
Post by: jb1842 on November 10, 2023, 08:46:56 AM
Maybe two or three, as long as they are enforced, and get rid of the 22,000 which if you removed all of the redundant regulations would probably number less than 100.
Every time someone I know on the left cries about us needing "common sense" gun control laws I point out the thousands of guns laws we have. They get the deer in headlights look. They don't know how to respond, or cry that it's not enough or not the right laws; i.e. total restrictions. I also point out that if democrats and a certain percentage of our population stopped committing crimes, there would be very little gun crimes. I don't bring up suicides in gun deaths because that is also a fact they can't wrap their little minds around either.
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2023, 09:41:45 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 10, 2023, 09:52:27 AM
https://twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1722956289204990133?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1722956289204990133%7Ctwgr%5E04fe39021c0c3476a8f2ef6f4f109701d6ffc30c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2FLike I said. Worthless. You toss worthless stuff out.
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Like I said. Worthless. You toss worthless stuff out.
Problem is with voter apathy that worthless stuff keeps getting re-elected.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 10, 2023, 10:40:24 AM
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Following the shootings in Maine and the Hamas attacks on Israel, Americans are buying more guns.
Like clockwork, Democrats rushed to push for more gun control after the Maine shootings but the American people did the exact opposite by spiking gun sales.
People in America watched what happened to the mostly unarmed Israelis on October 7th and realized that if that were to happen here, their guns would be the only thing that would protect them.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 10, 2023, 10:41:02 AM
https://freespoke.com/story/_H7yLX6H6bo9ZsPIolces/west-virginia-sen-joe-manchin-announces-retirement-from-the-senate
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 10:44:04 AM
And Manchin is packing it in....I thought I read recently that he was planning a run for President as an I. Perhaps the plan didn't work out.
https://freespoke.com/story/_H7yLX6H6bo9ZsPIolces/west-virginia-sen-joe-manchin-announces-retirement-from-the-senate
I'd possibly vote for him even though he is on the "wrong side" of many issues I believe in, but I also think he understands the definition, and the value, of real compromise.
Post by: Username on November 10, 2023, 11:10:20 AM
Murder and other crimes committed with a gun are already illegal. The ACTS are illegal and perps almost always prohibited from touching a gun.This perfectly outlines the distinction between democrat and conservative (I won't use the word republican as they are just lazy democrats). For a democrat, it's the gun that's the problem. It's can't possibly be the person who is most likely oppressed and is just looking for food for their family. For the conservative, it's the person who is messed up. That's the fundamental difference. democrats: restrict access to the gun and everything will be spiffy. The problem is, bad people will always get a gun. Conservatives: remove the bad person from polite society. Where's the problem with this solution?
As the proverb says, "A bad workman blames his tools."
Post by: Rush on November 10, 2023, 11:45:32 AM
I thought I read recently that he was planning a run for President as an I. Perhaps the plan didn't work out.
I'd possibly vote for him even though he is on the "wrong side" of many issues I believe in, but I also think he understands the definition, and the value, of real compromise.
With the “No Labels” party. If it’s an official party.
Wait, does that mean you would vote for Manchin over Trump?
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2023, 12:12:28 PM
Murder is usually investigated pretty thoroughly, and if one is caught and convicted they are generally harshly punished.
But attempted murder is often NOT investigated as thoroughly, and robberies using a gun are investigated even less. And intimidation with a gun is practically condoned if the perp is not a white male. This causes people to think they can commit a crime with a gun and escape punishment. THAT has to change.
And NONE of that is aimed at law-abiding citizens.
So when the criminals ignore robbery, rape and murder laws, yet ANOTHER gun restriction only the LAW ABIDING will abide by will stop them? C'mon man!
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 12:51:32 PM
With the “No Labels” party. If it’s an official party.No.
Wait, does that mean you would vote for Manchin over Trump?
Post by: Little Joe on November 10, 2023, 01:02:52 PM
So when the criminals ignore robbery, rape and murder laws, yet ANOTHER gun restriction only the LAW ABIDING will abide by will stop them? C'mon man!That's not what I said and not what I meant. And you must know that.
I said NOTHING about gun restriction laws. I said punish the lawbreakers to the extent they will not break any more laws and they won't provide an example to other potential law breakers.
You don't need many laws. When criminals ignore those laws against armed robbery, armed rape and murder you arrest them, prosecute them and lock them up for a looooong time.
That is different to (ha Rush) having a bunch of laws we don't enforce, whether they are anti gun or anti crime laws).
One "compromise" I had in mind could be something like licensing people to own a gun. Those so licensed may own a gun or not, and if they do it doesn't have to be registered. But in order to get a "license" you must be a legal citizen that has not been convicted of a crime.
Post by: Rush on November 10, 2023, 03:32:55 PM
That's not what I said and not what I meant. And you must know that.
I said NOTHING about gun restriction laws. I said punish the lawbreakers to the extent they will not break any more laws and they won't provide an example to other potential law breakers.
You don't need many laws. When criminals ignore those laws against armed robbery, armed rape and murder you arrest them, prosecute them and lock them up for a looooong time.
That is different to (ha Rush) having a bunch of laws we don't enforce, whether they are anti gun or anti crime laws).
One "compromise" I had in mind could be something like licensing people to own a gun. Those so licensed may own a gun or not, and if they do it doesn't have to be registered. But in order to get a "license" you must be a legal citizen that has not been convicted of a crime.
I can’t believe you remember that. And brought it up. 🤨
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2023, 04:23:54 PM
Post by: Anthony on November 11, 2023, 05:30:12 AM
I keep reading and rereading the second amendment, and I can’t find the part that says I must be licensed to possess a firearm.
But you have to be part of a Militia and be regulated, heavily, by Government, so there's that. ::) ::) ::)
Post by: Little Joe on November 11, 2023, 05:39:35 AM
I keep reading and rereading the second amendment, and I can’t find the part that says I must be licensed to possess a firearm.So then you think convicted rapists, career criminals, arsonists, psychopathic paranoid schizophrenic morons should be allowed to possess a firearm, as long as they are a legal non-incarcerated citizen?
Post by: Anthony on November 11, 2023, 05:58:39 AM
So then you think convicted rapists, career criminals, arsonists, psychopathic paranoid schizophrenic morons should be allowed to possess a firearm, as long as they are a legal non-incarcerated citizen?
Yes, as long as the don't commit a crime with it. Prosecute the human ACTION not the tool. What about that don't you get?
Post by: Little Joe on November 11, 2023, 06:05:45 AM
I guess you didn't read the previous post where I talked about convicted "armed" criminals. I suppose I should put every detail in every post to keep the context.
Yes, as long as the don't commit a crime with it. Prosecute the human ACTION not the tool. What about that don't you get?
So I'll say it this way (and probable leave something out again),
If someone is a convicted armed robbery, or has been convicted of armed assault or attempted murder with a firearm, they should be allowed to own a firearm once they are released.
Actually that would be fine with me as long as those people are NEVER released alive. But they are often released and go on to murder again. Or do you believe that prison actually re-rehabilitates people?
Post by: Username on November 11, 2023, 06:59:29 AM
But you have to be part of a Militia and be regulated, heavily, by Government, so there's that. ::) ::) ::)You can keep them and you can bear them but you can't shoot them.
Post by: Username on November 11, 2023, 07:03:04 AM
So I'll say it this way (and probable leave something out again),I'd say that if someone has demonstrated the inability to use something responsibly then that person loses the right to that thing. Someone can't use a firearm responsibly, then that person loses the right to own / use a firearm. Same with a dick.
If someone is a convicted armed robbery, or has been convicted of armed assault or attempted murder with a firearm, they should be allowed to own a firearm once they are released.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 11, 2023, 07:12:26 AM
I'd say that if someone has demonstrated the inability to use something responsibly then that person loses the right to that thing. Someone can't use a firearm responsibly, then that person loses the right to own / use a firearm. Same with a dick.Now I’m fantasizing about dick control laws. Women definitely could benefit. Just think, check his record for red flags, have a pleasant date and get to know each other in dick-free zones, limit the size of dicks one can have, it goes on and on. And yes, if the dick is used irresponsibly it gets taken away. What with our sophisticated surgeries now, piece of cake!
Post by: Lucifer on November 11, 2023, 07:12:56 AM
So then you think convicted rapists, career criminals, arsonists, psychopathic paranoid schizophrenic morons should be allowed to possess a firearm, as long as they are a legal non-incarcerated citizen?
Show the post where I made that statement. I'll wait.
Post by: Lucifer on November 11, 2023, 07:15:08 AM
So then you think convicted rapists, career criminals, arsonists, psychopathic paranoid schizophrenic morons should be allowed to possess a firearm, as long as they are a legal non-incarcerated citizen?
So you are advocating tossing the second amendment, and letting congress just write laws that disregard the constitution? Why not just toss out the whole constitution?
Post by: Rush on November 11, 2023, 10:44:43 AM
Now I’m fantasizing about dick control laws. Women definitely could benefit. Just think, check his record for red flags, have a pleasant date and get to know each other in dick-free zones, limit the size of dicks one can have, it goes on and on. And yes, if the dick is used irresponsibly it gets taken away. What with our sophisticated surgeries now, piece of cake!
The size limit needs to have upper and lower boundaries.
Post by: Anthony on November 12, 2023, 04:02:31 AM
I guess you didn't read the previous post where I talked about convicted "armed" criminals. I suppose I should put every detail in every post to keep the context.
So I'll say it this way (and probable leave something out again),
If someone is a convicted armed robbery, or has been convicted of armed assault or attempted murder with a firearm, they should be allowed to own a firearm once they are released.
Actually that would be fine with me as long as those people are NEVER released alive. But they are often released and go on to murder again. Or do you believe that prison actually re-rehabilitates people?
The real problem is that gun charges are often dropped for these perps with multiple felonies that are already prohibited. They get out after a relatively short time and do it again. Commit a violent crime with a gun, they should go away for thirty years not a year and a half. Thats the answer, not more gun laws.
Post by: Little Joe on November 12, 2023, 04:12:49 AM
The real problem is that gun charges are often dropped for these perps with multiple felonies that are already prohibited. They get out after a relatively short time and do it again. Commit a violent crime with a gun, they should go away for thirty years not a year and a half. Thats the answer, not more gun laws.That's pretty much what I said.
I did say replace those 22,000 with just a few, and ENFORCE criminal laws already on the books like you just repeated. But yeah, I did mention ONE law that I think would help weed out those that legitimately should not be allowed to have a gun.
But you didn't like it when I said it.
Post by: Anthony on November 12, 2023, 04:43:27 AM
That's pretty much what I said.
I did say replace those 22,000 with just a few, and ENFORCE criminal laws already on the books like you just repeated. But yeah, I did mention ONE law that I think would help weed out those that legitimately should not be allowed to have a gun.
But you didn't like it when I said it.
Well, you have a roundabout way of saying things and throw in nebulous information to boot, so it is difficult to interpret sometimes. Yes, you did say replace the 22k with less and enforce them and I agree with the enforcement, but we already have murder, robbery, rape, etc laws, so why do we need "gun Laws"? The only legal, constitutional law is the 2A. All others are INFRINGEMENTS.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 05:59:00 AM
So then you think convicted rapists, career criminals, arsonists, psychopathic paranoid schizophrenic morons should be allowed to possess a firearm, as long as they are a legal non-incarcerated citizen?
Yes, everyone who qualifies as “militia”. This includes convicted felons after they serve their time. That’s what the 2nd Amendment says, it says nothing about restricting the right in any other way. If you qualify as militia you have the right and it shall not be infringed.
In the Founding Fathers’ time, militia excluded children and technically very old people but I doubt they took away old people’s guns unless they were demented.
As for the mentally ill, that applied to the obviously wacko, people so off the rail they could not function as militia, and maybe had to be confined to an asylum.
People with what today we consider “mental illness” but still functional were not considered “lunatics” back then and were just seen as part of the normal spectrum of life (example, depression was simply “melancholy”) and this in no way disqualified them from owning firearms. That is what is so dangerous about red flag laws. We have redefined “mental illness” to be equivalent to “lunacy” as applied to the right to bear arms and that is not what the Founders intended.
Post by: Number7 on November 12, 2023, 09:17:55 AM
When the fighting comes to our cities and towns the fucking treasonous fbi and woke ass military will be useless at defending our homes and families, which is why we need to be armed and willing to stand up and send them to hell.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 10:09:45 AM
Once you leave off the bullshit and apply proper context, you would KNOW that the SECOND refers to citizens armed and prepared to repel the fucking British, or any other enemy (think muslims, and chinese, young men who refuse to work but steal their way into our nation, infiltrating American shores.
When the fighting comes to our cities and towns the fucking treasonous fbi and woke ass military will be useless at defending our homes and families, which is why we need to be armed and willing to stand up and send them to hell.
What Hamas did to the Jews on Oct 7 is all you need to know to know you HAVE to have arms in your own home. That shit could well come to the U.S. if they're not already here. I fully expect more jihad attacks in the near future. Why the hell not? They did 9/11, they'll do it again, and there are more of them now, and worst of all, the fucking idiotic college students are now on their side.
Post by: Lucifer on November 12, 2023, 10:15:40 AM
What Hamas did to the Jews on Oct 7 is all you need to know to know you HAVE to have arms in your own home. That shit could well come to the U.S. if they're not already here. I fully expect more jihad attacks in the near future. Why the hell not? They did 9/11, they'll do it again, and there are more of them now, and worst of all, the fucking idiotic college students are now on their side.
We will be seeing attacks in the US on soft targets. This is terrorism 101, hit random targets in popular settings to set fear inside the populace. Think shopping malls during black friday type stuff.
Airports will make another good target, set fear of travel into the population. With the clown show TSA and airport Keystone cops, this creates yet another target.
Hang on folks, it's gonna be a wild ride.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 10:33:21 AM
We will be seeing attacks in the US on soft targets. This is terrorism 101, hit random targets in popular settings to set fear inside the populace. Think shopping malls during black friday type stuff.
Airports will make another good target, set fear of travel into the population. With the clown show TSA and airport Keystone cops, this creates yet another target.
Hang on folks, it's gonna be a wild ride.
Michael Malice said jokingly, but he's not wrong, that he dresses as a Muslim when he goes to the airport so as not to be assaulted by the "pro-Palestine" protesters, and TSA waves him right through. It was somewhere in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LiVbUhoF60
Post by: Anthony on November 12, 2023, 10:59:28 AM
We will be seeing attacks in the US on soft targets. This is terrorism 101, hit random targets in popular settings to set fear inside the populace. Think shopping malls during black friday type stuff.
Airports will make another good target, set fear of travel into the population. With the clown show TSA and airport Keystone cops, this creates yet another target.
Hang on folks, it's gonna be a wild ride.
The grid. Transmission and Distribution will be attacked. Utter chaos will ensue.
Post by: Lucifer on November 12, 2023, 11:26:39 AM
The grid. Transmission and Distribution will be attacked. Utter chaos will ensue.
I don't see that right now. With the sleeper cells that Biden has allowed into the country, and the arms and ammunition he gifted the Taliban, the ones here once activated could hit multiple soft targets across the country at the same time. That fear alone will decimate
shopping, kill retail and stoke fear of any mass gatherings.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 12:37:05 PM
I don't see that right now. With the sleeper cells that Biden has allowed into the country, and the arms and ammunition he gifted the Taliban, the ones here once activated could hit multiple soft targets across the country at the same time. That fear alone will decimate
shopping, kill retail and stoke fear of any mass gatherings.
And the obvious solution to that is to have the public armed to the teeth at all times. But the left and the sheeple are trying like hell to do the opposite.
Did you hear about the lady that was getting mugged in NY and a good samaritan came along and fired his pistol at the guy and scared him off, didn’t hit him, and so they arrested the Good Samaritan and the lady told the press he frightened her because he had a gun. Try to do the bitch a favor and scare off a bad guy and you go to jail. Fuck these people.
Post by: Lucifer on November 12, 2023, 12:48:31 PM
And the obvious solution to that is to have the public armed to the teeth at all times. But the left and the sheeple are trying like hell to do the opposite.
Did you hear about the lady that was getting mugged in NY and a good samaritan came along and fired his pistol at the guy and scared him off, didn’t hit him, and so they arrested the Good Samaritan and the lady told the press he frightened her because he had a gun. Try to do the bitch a favor and scare off a bad guy and you go to jail. Fuck these people.
Our propagandist media is responsible for that. There are actually many stories where a responsible gun owner stopped a crime, but those stories get buried.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
Our propagandist media is responsible for that. There are actually many stories where a responsible gun owner stopped a crime, but those stories get buried.
Absolutely.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 12, 2023, 04:34:03 PM
Did you hear about the lady that was getting mugged in NY and a good samaritan came along and fired his pistol at the guy and scared him off, didn’t hit him, and so they arrested the Good Samaritan and the lady told the press he frightened her because he had a gun. Try to do the bitch a favor and scare off a bad guy and you go to jail. Fuck these people.I did not know of the incident. It looks like this must be it:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/subway-vigilantes-will-continue-until-nyc-deals-with-rampant-crime/ (https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/subway-vigilantes-will-continue-until-nyc-deals-with-rampant-crime/)
He allegedly fired in the direction of a crowd when a panhandling vagrant threatened a woman for not paying for the courtesy of the vagrant holding a door for her. The vagrant then tried to grab her bag. The shooter then left the area and disposed of the gun.
IMHO it appears to be reckless use of a firearm, given the circumstances.
Post by: Rush on November 12, 2023, 06:14:51 PM
I did not know of the incident. It looks like this must be it:
https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/subway-vigilantes-will-continue-until-nyc-deals-with-rampant-crime/ (https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/opinion/subway-vigilantes-will-continue-until-nyc-deals-with-rampant-crime/)
He allegedly fired in the direction of a crowd when a panhandling vagrant threatened a woman for not paying for the courtesy of the vagrant holding a door for her. The vagrant then tried to grab her bag. The shooter then left the area and disposed of the gun.
IMHO it appears to be reckless use of a firearm, given the circumstances.
Yeah that was it. He was still trying to be a good guy and help a "lady". He no doubt left the scene and disposed of the gun because he knew he was carrying illegally and would be jailed. Whether or not he discharged it recklessly, I'd have to see it. If what was behind and beyond was clear, it wasn't reckless. It stopped a crime.
Post by: Anthony on November 13, 2023, 03:41:09 AM
Our propagandist media is responsible for that. There are actually many stories where a responsible gun owner stopped a crime, but those stories get buried.
It happens a lot and more often than not the Perp runs away, and it is never reported to the police because there is nothing to report beyond "Bad Guy got scared after seeing the good guy's gun". If it is reported, or the gun is discharged in legitimate self-defense, yes is it often BURIED by the Media as they want to confiscate your guns too.
Post by: Rush on November 13, 2023, 04:41:16 AM
It happens a lot and more often than not the Perp runs away, and it is never reported to the police because there is nothing to report beyond "Bad Guy got scared after seeing the good guy's gun". If it is reported, or the gun is discharged in legitimate self-defense, yes is it often BURIED by the Media as they want to confiscate your guns too.
That happened to my brother. I’ve told this story before but I will again. He was alone in a parking lot walking back to his car when another car pulled up, left the engine running and three men got out and approached him. The one in front of him asked for directions and the others started moving around to his side. Just then the wind happened to catch his jacket and blow it slightly open, so he moved his arm to push it back more to reveal the sidearm on his hip, as he was politely giving the directions they’d asked for. They stopped in their tracks, got back in the car and left.
Does anyone believe for a second that three grown men were legit asking directions? And had to get out of the car or do it? While moving to flank my brother? Of course not. They were going to rob him or worse.
He never even had to draw the gun. He didn’t report it because there was nothing to report. Yet it is a near certainty a gun had just stopped a crime.
And what of all the crime that guns stop even if not seen? Even if they aren’t there? In areas where conceal carry is allowed there is significantly less crime, because the criminals know the victim could be armed. The anti-gun nuts and lying media never acknowledge this fact.
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 08:14:00 AM
Make laws that don't only restrict law abiding citizens, and ENFORCE them.So lump law abiding citizens into a new law that also goes after criminals, but mean it this time?
Use a gun to commit a crime, go to prison for a long time. FIRST TIME. Second time, LIFE (or death).
Enforce that for a while and see what happens to crimes using a gun.
I read an article recently where the local police force had only been seriously investigating gun crimes where a death occurred. If the victim accidentally lived, they barely investigated. They made a strategic decision to investigate ALL gun crimes and found that their success rate was higher and gun crime began to decline.
What you stated is already law everywhere. But DAs, AGs, prosecutors and judges don’t enforce them.
Hell, Bill Clinton signed a crime bill in 1994 but that was gutted my no less than SCOTUS. That law included the “Three Strikes You’re Out” law, which would fit what you propose.
So if you want to write a new law that restricts law abiding citizens and criminals, that’s a non-starter.
Post by: Rush on November 13, 2023, 08:51:13 AM
So lump law abiding citizens into a new law that also goes after criminals, but mean it this time?
What you stated is already law everywhere. But DAs, AGs, prosecutors and judges don’t enforce them.
Hell, Bill Clinton signed a crime bill in 1994 but that was gutted my no less than SCOTUS. That law included the “Three Strikes You’re Out” law, which would fit what you propose.
So if you want to write a new law that restricts law abiding citizens and criminals, that’s a non-starter.
Styx introduced me to the term “differential enforcement” and he states that’s the real problem in this country. He is absolutely right. Make any law you want but only enforce it against people that you don’t approve of, or are the wrong race, gender, etc. to fit the narrative you want emphasized.
That is endemic in the U.S. right now at all levels.
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
As I said, conservatives have not been compromising. They have been surrendering, or just accepting defeat.Yes. Spending levels. Tax rates. Military spending. Foreign aid.
My point was that BOTH SIDES compromise. And that won't happen when we let either the far left or the far right (which most of the people on this site are) lead the way. The center left and the center right is the only place where true compromise might have a chance.
I don't know if that can ever happen. But I do believe that unless it does happen thing will continue to get worse.
Is there ANYTHING you would be willing to compromise on if it was a true give-and-take and not just capitulation?
But there are a lot of no-compromise zones, including God-given rights guaranteed by our Constitution. No compromise on illegal aliens for example.
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 10:15:34 AM
And the only way to end that cycle is for the opposition to fight the communist democrat party the exact same way they fight us.They are literally a death cult.
You don't negotiate with terrorists, and this last 2 weeks have shown the communist/fascist democrat party with their sheet pulled back. They are a party of terror, racism, hate, and violence.
fuck them and their feelings.
Post by: Lucifer on November 13, 2023, 10:21:48 AM
As I said, conservatives have not been compromising. They have been surrendering, or just accepting defeat.
My point was that BOTH SIDES compromise. And that won't happen when we let either the far left or the far right (which most of the people on this site are) lead the way. The center left and the center right is the only place where true compromise might have a chance.
I don't know if that can ever happen. But I do believe that unless it does happen thing will continue to get worse.
Is there ANYTHING you would be willing to compromise on if it was a true give-and-take and not just capitulation?
You are so righteous Joe…..
Post by: Little Joe on November 13, 2023, 04:24:29 PM
So lump law abiding citizens into a new law that also goes after criminals, but mean it this time?Aw Jeez. Here we go again.
What you stated is already law everywhere. But DAs, AGs, prosecutors and judges don’t enforce them.
Hell, Bill Clinton signed a crime bill in 1994 but that was gutted my no less than SCOTUS. That law included the “Three Strikes You’re Out” law, which would fit what you propose.
So if you want to write a new law that restricts law abiding citizens and criminals, that’s a non-starter.
So you think that getting rid of 22,000 anti-gun laws and replacing them with one that tries to keep convicted criminals that have used guns to commit a crime from having more guns is too much to ask? We truly are fucked.
Have you noticed that I made a proposal, and everyone else complained about it, but nobody else came up with any better ideas? You guys want a convention of States, but have you ever considered that it might be about as successful as every election since Jan 6 when the Rs kept getting their asses beat? Why do you think a CoS would be any different?
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 04:32:49 PM
Murder is usually investigated pretty thoroughly, and if one is caught and convicted they are generally harshly punished.Yet virtually ALL democrats will seek a solution that harms law abiding citizens, as we are the only ones who they think will comply with their law.
But attempted murder is often NOT investigated as thoroughly, and robberies using a gun are investigated even less. And intimidation with a gun is practically condoned if the perp is not a white male. This causes people to think they can commit a crime with a gun and escape punishment. THAT has to change.
And NONE of that is aimed at law-abiding citizens.
In Illinois my brother will be forced to register his AR-15 by the end of the year I believe or become a felon in possession of an unlawful firearm.
All because blacks can’t stop killing themselves in Chicago.
Post by: Lucifer on November 13, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
Aw Jeez. Here we go again.
So you think that getting rid of 22,000 anti-gun laws and replacing them with one that tries to keep convicted criminals that have used guns to commit a crime from having more guns is too much to ask? We truly are fucked.
Have you noticed that I made a proposal, and everyone else complained about it, but nobody else came up with any better ideas? You guys want a convention of States, but have you ever considered that it might be about as successful as every election since Jan 6 when the Rs kept getting their asses beat? Why do you think a CoS would be any different?
I like this one: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And it’s already law. Neat huh?
BTW, go read up on an Article Five Convention.
Post by: Little Joe on November 13, 2023, 04:51:38 PM
Can you think of a situation where someone should lose that right? Should someone with a history of armed violence be allowed to have a gun?
I like this one: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Once again, criticism with no constructive suggestion.
Post by: Lucifer on November 13, 2023, 05:17:40 PM
Can you think of a situation where someone should lose that right? Should someone with a history of armed violence be allowed to have a gun?
Once again, criticism with no constructive suggestion.
I gave you my opinion, which you can’t accept.
22,000 laws on the books, hundreds of laws which address your concern. Yet, you are obsessed with trashing constitutional rights under the guise of “compromise”.
Post by: Little Joe on November 13, 2023, 05:55:29 PM
I gave you my opinion, which you can’t accept.Are you defending those 22,000 laws? I think I am the only one here that said to get rid of them. Or did you ignore that part? They certainly don't address MY concerns.
22,000 laws on the books, hundreds of laws which address your concern. Yet, you are obsessed with trashing constitutional rights under the guise of “compromise”.
Your opinion was that we already have sufficient laws, including 2A. But how is that working out for you?
If we follow your advice, we will lost 2A altogether.
Post by: Lucifer on November 13, 2023, 06:13:56 PM
Are you defending those 22,000 laws? I think I am the only one here that said to get rid of them. Or did you ignore that part? They certainly don't address MY concerns.
Your opinion was that we already have sufficient laws, including 2A. But how is that working out for you?
If we follow your advice, we will lost 2A altogether.
Calm down Joe, untwist your panties. ;)
It's already been pointed out here where the problem lays. Creating more laws and compromising will not fix anything except add more restrictions for law abiding gun owners.
Post by: Little Joe on November 13, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
Calm down Joe, untwist your panties. ;)OK.
It's already been pointed out here where the problem lays. Creating more laws and compromising will not fix anything except add more restrictions for law abiding gun owners.
I'm Calm.
But I still don't understand how replacing 22,000 laws with one is considered creating more laws. I see it as creating 21,999 fewer laws.
My suggestion strengthened the rights of law abiding gun owners. If you are not a criminal, you may buy, own or possess a gun without it being registered.
Post by: Lucifer on November 13, 2023, 06:34:34 PM
OK.
I'm Calm.
But I still don't understand how replacing 22,000 laws with one is considered creating more laws. I see it as creating 21,999 fewer laws.
My suggestion strengthened the rights of law abiding gun owners. If you are not a criminal, you may buy, own or possess a gun without it being registered.
There are currently federal and state laws that restrict convicted felons from buying and owning firearms.
Post by: Anthony on November 13, 2023, 08:44:32 PM
I like this one: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And it’s already law. Neat huh?
BTW, go read up on an Article Five Convention.
It's the ONLY legal one.
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 11:34:40 PM
Aw Jeez. Here we go again.Your “proposal” is already law and nothing is new. Your proposal reiterated the law as it is written. The downfall is in the willful failure to enforce those laws.
So you think that getting rid of 22,000 anti-gun laws and replacing them with one that tries to keep convicted criminals that have used guns to commit a crime from having more guns is too much to ask? We truly are fucked.
Have you noticed that I made a proposal, and everyone else complained about it, but nobody else came up with any better ideas? You guys want a convention of States, but have you ever considered that it might be about as successful as every election since Jan 6 when the Rs kept getting their asses beat? Why do you think a CoS would be any different?
Passing another law to force judges to enforce the law?
As for the COS, you need to read up on it. It bypasses Congress and the president completely.
Post by: nddons on November 13, 2023, 11:38:00 PM
There are currently federal and state laws that restrict convicted felons from buying and owning firearms.Correct. Joe came up with literally nothing new or innovative.
Maybe he’ll propose passing a law about speeding next.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 14, 2023, 06:03:39 AM
I replied that if we could guarantee that no one would try to harm others, why would anyone care if people had guns?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2023, 06:33:20 AM
That said, I’m beginning to think that whatever lies ahead, more good people being armed is a good thing. If cells rise up they can be killed immediately.
Never thought I’d be saying things like this in my lifetime. I grew up here and it’s been a peaceful haven. Now the crime is growing.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 07:51:33 AM
Correct. Joe came up with literally nothing new or innovative.
Maybe he’ll propose passing a law about speeding next.
I think what Little Joe is trying to say is if you compromise a bit on gun law but it makes you win elections and avoid far worse consequences such as nuclear war, then you lose one battle but win the war.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying about abortion. The Republicans need to compromise on abortion so they can win the war.
While I understand where Little Joe is coming from and agree with the strategy, I disagree that gun control should be one of those issues to be compromised. The right to own and bear arms is expressly
And no, the “right to life” does not apply in the context of the understanding of pregnancy in 1776. They viewed the early embryo as a literal “clump of cells” not yet imbued with a soul. Of course today we know better, it is human life from conception. But if you are going to apply the context of 1776 to the rest of the Constitution as we should - it’s not a “living document” - you need to be consistent.
Abortion is essentially not addressed formally in the Constitution and therefore is fair game for compromise, which is in fact what has always historically been the case (abortion banned only after quickening). But the compromise needs to be at state and local levels and with the parties’ stances, not in the form of Federal law. I stand firm that it should remain a states issue, the Federal Government never having been empowered to interfere one way or the other in such business of individuals within the states. The states may vary from the 1776 concept of life and regulate it if they want. Not the Federal Government.
Post by: Lucifer on November 14, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
Abortion is essentially not addressed formally in the Constitution and therefore is fair game for compromise, which is in fact what has always historically been the case (abortion banned only after quickening). But the compromise needs to be at state and local levels and with the parties’ stances, not in the form of Federal law. I stand firm that it should remain a states issue, the Federal Government never having been empowered to interfere one way or the other in such business of individuals within the states. The states may vary from the 1776 concept of life and regulate it if they want. Not the Federal Government.
A huge portion of the population does not understand the constitution. Given that the government school systems either don't teach it, or teach a radicalized form of it, that's understandable.
The pathetic republican party sucks horrifically at messaging, and continues to take the 30,000' look at issues and addressing them. This of course allows the democrat communist an avenue to keep up their disinformation campaign towards the uneducated.
Post by: nddons on November 14, 2023, 08:26:55 AM
A “right” granted by the Government is no right at all, as it can be taken away just as easily as it was granted.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 09:23:37 AM
One tiny correction. The right to keep and bear arms is not granted by the Constitution, but is guaranteed by the Constitution.
A “right” granted by the Government is no right at all, as it can be taken away just as easily as it was granted.
You are exactly right, shame on me. I know better.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 14, 2023, 10:59:25 AM
And no, the “right to life” does not apply in the context of the understanding of pregnancy in 1776. They viewed the early embryo as a literal “clump of cells” not yet imbued with a soul.The cell theory didn't exist in 1776. The concept wasn't formulated until the 1830s. So people of the 1770s could not have considered an embryo as a clump of cells.
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Of course today we know better, it is human life from conception.Say what? Careful what you are claiming with that overly simple statement "human life". A person's severed limb is "human" as are human sperm and eggs. A severed limb doesn't die immediately and can be re-attached. Henrietta Lacks' still exists as a "clump of cells" - which of these things are deserving of legal protections?
And "conception" is not a singular process since a lot has to happen after the sperm attaches to the egg. And anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on the source of the stats) of fertilized eggs never become embryos.
Try deciding the morality of the other end of life first: if someone is on life support and would die if removed, who, if anyone, should be forced to foot the bill?
Post by: Number7 on November 14, 2023, 11:12:19 AM
It is just as sick of the rest of the liberal agenda.
jim never fails to remind me of why I refuse to consider the libertarian position on things.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 14, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
Trying to justify aborting a n infant with the decision to cease life support is the hiding place of a cowardly liberal, with too much time and too little thought.There are a lot of pro-life libertarians, so you are wrong to dismiss the basic philosophy on your understanding. And I’m not making an argument for or against - I’m actually undecided. You make assertions that are dogmatic or only self-referentially (e.g. circular) valid. And you can always be counted on to tack on insults.
It is just as sick of the rest of the liberal agenda.
jim never fails to remind me of why I refuse to consider the libertarian position on things.
I’m undecided because I can also recognize the pro-life arguments. For example I could have pointed out that women who claim “it’s their body” are incorrect because the DNA of the embryo is distinctly different from the woman. But Rush’s post didn’t make any claims along those lines so I didn’t mention it.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
The cell theory didn't exist in 1776. The concept wasn't formulated until the 1830s. So people of the 1770s could not have considered an embryo as a clump of cells.
You’re right. It would be plasma or a collection of humours or something.
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Say what? Careful what you are claiming with that overly simple statement "human life". A person's severed limb is "human" as are human sperm and eggs. A severed limb doesn't die immediately and can be re-attached. Henrietta Lacks' still exists as a "clump of cells" - which of these things are deserving of legal protections?
And "conception" is not a singular process since a lot has to happen after the sperm attaches to the egg. And anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on the source of the stats) of fertilized eggs never become embryos.
Try deciding the morality of the other end of life first: if someone is on life support and would die if removed, who, if anyone, should be forced to foot the bill?
I’m not saying anything about morality other than the pro-life side believes “human life”, as in a unique individual, begins at conception. Whether or not it is immoral to kill that life is another matter and one on which opinion varies. I agree that conception is the point where human life begins, when you define a “unique human life” as a complete set of human DNA at its origin. Not the complete set in your severed arm. The cell in the arm despite containing a full set of DNA does not have the ability to regrow the whole human. (Nevermind cloning technology.) The fertilized egg does have that ability, it contains the entirety of that individual’s future. Your severed arm does not.
I also agree with N7 that end of life decisions that involve removing life support from a no longer viable slab of injured or sick meat not capable of recovering back to any kind of quality of life is not comparable to ending an individual before they ever get a chance to be born and live at all. Apples and oranges.
Human life begins at conception but it is highly UNlikely there is any conscious awareness or ability to feel pain in the very early weeks. For that you need a nervous system and it takes a couple of weeks to just develop a rudimentary neural plate. After that, at what point does the little thing become conscious? We know it is well before 9 months but we don’t know for sure exactly when. The development of the complex portion of the brain that seems to be associated with consciousness forms during the second trimester although the fetus (and embryo) moves well before then. But movement does not prove consciousness (we move in our sleep). On the other hand UNconciousness does not prove lack of a soul (if you believe in soul as separate from the physical brain/body), and lack of consciousness does not disprove humanity.
If I’m in an accident and I’m brain dead, I’m not really human anymore, so please pull the plug. But if the embryo has no complex higher brain function yet because it hasn’t fully formed, he is just as “brain dead”. So you’re not killing a human - except he has a lifetime of future potential, and his cells are busily working to build that consciousness, they are very much alive, while my car accident brain cells are dying or mostly already dead never to be revived.
So goes the argument about just how human an unborn baby is and therefore what should be the cutoff for termination from a moral standpoint. On that you’ll never get everyone to agree. Add the complications of birth defects, rape, incest, save the life of the mother etc. it gets real contentious real fast. This is why I am adamant that, even if it had the Constitutional authority to do so, the Federal Government needs to stay the fuck out of it.
Like most issues for that matter, a one size fits all dictate by a central authority over a large territory consisting of diverse communities is never the best idea. Excepting those freedoms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Everything else let each state do what its people want. Those who disagree are free to move to another state.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 12:16:54 PM
There are a lot of pro-life libertarians, so you are wrong to dismiss the basic philosophy on your understanding. And I’m not making an argument for or against - I’m actually undecided. You make assertions that are dogmatic or only self-referentially (e.g. circular) valid. And you can always be counted on to tack on insults.
I’m undecided because I can also recognize the pro-life arguments. For example I could have pointed out that women who claim “it’s their body” are incorrect because the DNA of the embryo is distinctly different from the woman. But Rush’s post didn’t make any claims along those lines so I didn’t mention it.
I understand your position. I’m not going to say I’m undecided. My position is nuanced and complex.
I completely believe human life begins at conception and killing it at any point for reasons of mere convenience is morally reprehensible, disgusting and I can’t understand how any woman or doctor can do it. But if the baby has severe birth defects incompatible with life then I reverse that and believe your duty is to prevents its suffering. I’m not of the view that “all” life must be maintained irregardless of suffering because “God has a plan” or whatnot. If you want to endure agony yourself that’s great, but when you are responsible for someone else, you have no right to make the choice that they should suffer, trapped in helpless agony.
But that’s just my moral opinion. I am hesitant to say it should be codified into law. I think most people think their own opinion is “right” and therefore that’s what the law should be. But I look at it from several different perspectives way too numerous to list right now and I have to get back to work. No matter what the law is, you have unintended consequences. Everything from the impact on individuals to national politics to global population issues. So I have to conclude that I’m not going to say what “should” be legal or banned but rather it should be decided by the states. I can tell you all the pros and cons of banning abortion at various stages of pregnancy but if I were made King of the U.S. I would say: Leave it up to the states. Coincidentally I believe that’s Trump’s position too.
Post by: Number7 on November 14, 2023, 12:25:07 PM
Once the medical profession became executioners of the unborn it was short step to the medical profession being used to kill the elderly, sick, and infirm. canada and sweden are excellent examples of places you don't want to go to the hospital, or national healthcare center in the case of canada.
When the fucking democrats devalued human life there was never going to be any stopping the slide into assassination for the convenience of others.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 01:28:32 PM
The bullshit political arguments used to rationalize abortion are just that; bullshit political claptrap.
Once the medical profession became executioners of the unborn it was short step to the medical profession being used to kill the elderly, sick, and infirm. canada and sweden are excellent examples of places you don't want to go to the hospital, or national healthcare center in the case of canada.
When the fucking democrats devalued human life there was never going to be any stopping the slide into assassination for the convenience of others.
Not to mention the medical profession cutting off the breasts and removing the uteruses of teenage girls and cutting off the junk of teenage boys and profiting enormously thereby, all championed by the Democrats and the left so our youth are sterile and not able to even conceive babies to even bother to abort.
And those who manage to reach adulthood without being mutilated are eschewing dating and marriage at alarming rates thanks to feminism and woke ideology teaching girls that men are evil chauvinists and if a man does manage to get a date he fears being destroyed by #metoo accusations.
Our youth aren’t hooking up anymore. The rate of teenage pregnancies has been crashing since 1990, and this does not mean they are simply waiting until adulthood to start families. Adult women are less interested in having children, prefer careers and delay marriage until their 30s, and men are starting to avoid marriage altogether. The situation has become dire.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2023, 03:14:02 PM
I worked a crisis line and women in their 50’s and 60’s would call just to cry and talk to someone about how they were still grieving the loss of the baby they chose to abort, and thought about it constantly, thinking what he or she might look like, how old he or she would be today, and of course feeling love toward the child that died. Literally, the decision to kill your developing child carries with it the agonizing and never ending realization that you have killed someone. And to kill your own child, in most societies, is the ultimate taboo. The women who called the crisis line almost always were talked into killing the baby by a boyfriend or parent.
The book “The Hand of God” by Dr. Bernard Nathanson is most searingly honest and detailed one you can read about a Jewish doctor who goes from pioneering clinical abortions and performing thousands, to seeing what he has done, converting to Catholicism, and working for the rest of his career to discourage abortions.
This is why we must stop disconnecting the act that creates babies from the responsibility that natural law irrevocably connects to it. We cannot undo the grief and agony of women who are led or pressured into doing something, disguised as merely “an option,” that forever haunts them with a poisoning grief and regret.
Post by: Little Joe on November 14, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
I think what Little Joe is trying to say is if you compromise a bit on gun law but it makes you win elections and avoid far worse consequences such as nuclear war, then you lose one battle but win the war.Thank you Rush. I wish you could be my interpreter more often.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying about abortion. The Republicans need to compromise on abortion so they can win the war.
While I understand where Little Joe is coming from and agree with the strategy, I disagree that gun control should be one of those issues to be compromised. The right to own and bear arms is expresslygrantedguaranteed in the Constitution. The Constitution says nothing about abortion, despite RvW inventing a “right” to abortion. There is no right to abortion in the Constitution but neither is there a right for the government to interfere with what goes on between a woman and her doctor. Or in the context of 1776, a woman and her midwife who gives her herbs to cause uterine cramping if she suspects a pregnancy she doesn’t want.
And no, the “right to life” does not apply in the context of the understanding of pregnancy in 1776. They viewed the early embryo as a literal “clump of cells” not yet imbued with a soul. Of course today we know better, it is human life from conception. But if you are going to apply the context of 1776 to the rest of the Constitution as we should - it’s not a “living document” - you need to be consistent.
Abortion is essentially not addressed formally in the Constitution and therefore is fair game for compromise, which is in fact what has always historically been the case (abortion banned only after quickening). But the compromise needs to be at state and local levels and with the parties’ stances, not in the form of Federal law. I stand firm that it should remain a states issue, the Federal Government never having been empowered to interfere one way or the other in such business of individuals within the states. The states may vary from the 1776 concept of life and regulate it if they want. Not the Federal Government.
I wasn't trying to say that we should weaken the 2nd A. I guess that the more my example was challenged, the more I had to defend it. I was only using it as an example of how we could give a little in one area to get something in another area. If gun control is not the best example, then we should come up with something else. But even in my example I was still promoting doing away with most gun control laws but was accused of trying to create more gun control laws. Go figure.
If conservatives continue to stand their ground, and liberals continue to stand their ground, we will make zero progress towards solving any of our problems. But if we all give a little then we can all gain a little. In the past it was called "statesmanship" and the founders made great use of it. If you read the history, the whole constitution was a compromise. Statesmanship seems to be a lost art. Everyone wants their way and to hell with anyone else. That is not how it works. Just like in a good marriage there is give and take. Who hasn't conceded something to their spouse that they would rather not have in order to make it work? (ok, maybe not Anthony, but how about the rest of you).
Post by: Lucifer on November 14, 2023, 05:01:06 PM
If conservatives continue to stand their ground, and liberals continue to stand their ground, we will make zero progress towards solving any of our problems. But if we all give a little then we can all gain a little. In the past it was called "statesmanship" and the founders made great use of it. If you read the history, the whole constitution was a compromise. Statesmanship seems to be a lost art. Everyone wants their way and to hell with anyone else. That is not how it works.
You have a political party who is hell bent on Totalitarianism. They mock the opposition party at every opportunity, and they constantly keep saying "Aw, c'mon, just trust us" as well as "The republicans just won't compromise!" while all along it is them saying "my way or the highway!".
We have a party that is made up of pure evil, and a death cult mentality. They are now aligning their values with another party of long ago known as the National Socialist Party. We know that party as "Nazi's".
You can't negotiate with evil, and there is no compromise.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
Unfortunately, many modern abortion centers, too, are all about the money and twisting the arms of girls and women to proceed even when they are hesitant. The truth of agonizing lifelong regret and self loathing are not stated. So legal abortion isn’t a good option either.
Lucifer is right. You can’t negotiate with evil.
There are plenty of books and movies about today’s abortion industry, by those who thought they were helping women but finally couldn’t stomach the truth of what they were helping to do. God help a doctor who makes a living at killing babies. The doctors, too, suffer, if they have a grain of conscience and a soul.
The political problem comes down to personal beliefs vs. the vote. A Congressperson or individual can SAY they are pro-life, but vote against life anyway. No matter how you look at it, if you do that, you’re not compromising. You’re voting against your conscience and siding with death and a slow slide into the cult of death. Which I could not do, despite the belief I stated in my first paragraph. I don’t want the suffering that comes with abortion, but I also don’t want the suffering that comes from the choice to abort some way that is worse because abortion is forbidden.
We are called to a higher standard that leads to human flourishing. Responsible actions and self control, and stepping up to one’s duty, make a better life for an individual and those with whom they interact, and for all of us.
It’s always the woman who has the most to lose, and the agonizing decision to make. I think it’s the responsibility of all of us, on behalf of future generations, to stop pretending that sex is detached from marriage and procreation, and put the ideal and context of sex in marriage only front and center in every venue where young people can see and debate them.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
But eventually resolution will have to happen, or the country will fall apart. And maybe it coming apart will be the resolution.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
That (Joe and Rush posts above) is why I sadly understand that women, regardless of lofty ideals and against natural law, and inflicting great agony on themselves that they won’t realize until afterward, will continue to kill their unborn babies and thus should have a clean, legal, safe place to do it. We all know the gruesome history of back alley butchers.
Unfortunately, many modern abortion centers, too, are all about the money and twisting the arms of girls and women to proceed even when they are hesitant. The truth of agonizing lifelong regret and self loathing are not stated. So legal abortion isn’t a good option either.
Lucifer is right. You can’t negotiate with evil.
There are plenty of books and movies about today’s abortion industry, by those who thought they were helping women but finally couldn’t stomach the truth of what they were helping to do. God help a doctor who makes a living at killing babies. The doctors, too, suffer, if they have a grain of conscience and a soul.
The political problem comes down to personal beliefs vs. the vote. A Congressperson or individual can SAY they are pro-life, but vote against life anyway. No matter how you look at it, if you do that, you’re not compromising. You’re voting against your conscience and siding with death and a slow slide into the cult of death. Which I could not do, despite the belief I stated in my first paragraph. I don’t want the suffering that comes with abortion, but I also don’t want the suffering that comes from the choice to abort some way that is worse because abortion is forbidden.
We are called to a higher standard that leads to human flourishing. Responsible actions and self control, and stepping up to one’s duty, make a better life for an individual and those with whom they interact, and for all of us.
It’s always the woman who has the most to lose, and the agonizing decision to make. I think it’s the responsibility of all of us, on behalf of future generations, to stop pretending that sex is detached from marriage and procreation, and put the ideal and context of sex in marriage only front and center in every venue where young people can see and debate them.
Sex got detached from the responsibilities of marriage and children with The Pill. There's no putting that Genie back in the bottle. And it might result in the extinction of the human species.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2023, 06:35:17 PM
Sex got detached from the responsibilities of marriage and children with The Pill. There's no putting that Genie back in the bottle. And it might result in the extinction of the human species.That’s giving up. I can’t do that. Human civilizations tend to go in cycles. Going soft on crime makes life miserable for all, so the needle moves back to accountability. And so on.
Killing babies is reprehensible, and damaging to all involved, so we can through education and example move away from out of context sex, and expose it for the damaging influence it is. People do have a tendency to want to survive and thrive, I think. We’re drawn to that which is good and right, and it’s our responsibility to point out what isn’t good and right, and live what is right. Just because birth control exists doesn’t mean we can’t get back to the principles of responsibility and love.
I’m just concerned it will take 600 years or so. But still, cycles.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2023, 07:26:00 PM
That’s giving up. I can’t do that. Human civilizations tend to go in cycles. Going soft on crime makes life miserable for all, so the needle moves back to accountability. And so on.
Killing babies is reprehensible, and damaging to all involved, so we can through education and example move away from out of context sex, and expose it for the damaging influence it is. People do have a tendency to want to survive and thrive, I think. We’re drawn to that which is good and right, and it’s our responsibility to point out what isn’t good and right, and live what is right. Just because birth control exists doesn’t mean we can’t get back to the principles of responsibility and love.
I’m just concerned it will take 600 years or so. But still, cycles.
This guy has a theory and I think he is spot on. Men are quitting life because without the prospect of love and family they don’t want to work. Eventually women will have to come back around to wanting the nuclear family otherwise civilization will starve and die. It is men who literally keep civilization running, not women.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN94MYTM/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2023, 07:44:20 PM
This guy has a theory and I think he is spot on. Men are quitting life because without the prospect of love and family they don’t want to work. Eventually women will have to come back around to wanting the nuclear family otherwise civilization will starve and die. It is men who literally keep civilization running, not women.It’s Aaron Clarey again! Love his premise. I’ve known it for YEARS, almost from birth. Clearly, men have very different capabilities and qualities. I’ve always thought feminism was a sick joke, and “equality” too. I do NOT want to be “like” or “better than” or “equal to” a man, and the idea of needing a man is quite wonderful. And he needs me. And we work together in life. With our differing biology and skills and brains. I have two single friends, now in their 50’s, wedded to their jobs and always droning on about wage gaps and trying to find fulfillment in travel, homes, etc. Not for me. I appreciate men. A lot.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN94MYTM/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 14, 2023, 07:50:21 PM
What other parts of the Constitution should we ignore while we're at it?
Post by: Number7 on November 14, 2023, 07:58:23 PM
I guess I’m not in… even a little.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 14, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Tonight, at a Bible study, I went off on the group. At the end we take prayer requests, a couple of mentions were of folks with COVID and it set me off. Told them I was tired of such a deal being made of COVID. After all the mutations it is like getting the common cold, also a corona virus. Told them we don't do prayer requests for so and so having a cold or the flu, which is probably not the flu. Tired of people saying they tested for COVID. WTF would you test for COVID now?
Sorry folks, I've had enough and don't see anything good happening at this point.
New CR to maintain current spending levels means the debt is going up more since their is no ceiling now for at least another 14 months. When will, in our lifetimes, ever see any group of politicians take any action to reign in spending? Not going to happen. Why should it, they keep getting re-elected time and time again.
I really need to go to bed.
Post by: Anthony on November 15, 2023, 03:03:42 AM
This guy has a theory and I think he is spot on. Men are quitting life because without the prospect of love and family they don’t want to work. Eventually women will have to come back around to wanting the nuclear family otherwise civilization will starve and die. It is men who literally keep civilization running, not women.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN94MYTM/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
I disagree. Women are discovering Men are better than they are. Look at the Trans situation in sports. The U.S. Womens Soccer Team admits to being beaten convincingly and often by fifteen year old and younger boys because they are bigger, faster, stronger.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-uswnt-star-carli-lloyd-admits-losing-to-under-15-boys-team-yes-its-true
My interaction with younger people also suggests the tide is turning. We'll see. Women still want men and they want strong men.
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 03:48:10 AM
I disagree. Women are discovering Men are better than they are. Look at the Trans situation in sports. The U.S. Womens Soccer Team admits to being beaten convincingly and often by fifteen year old and younger boys because they are bigger, faster, stronger.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-uswnt-star-carli-lloyd-admits-losing-to-under-15-boys-team-yes-its-true
My interaction with younger people also suggests the tide is turning. We'll see. Women still want men and they want strong men.
I did hear there is an unexpected swing to the right among the very latest generation, that is, high schoolers. The problem is, they go to college and get indoctrinated. I’m hoping maybe that will start to change. For one thing, some of the big alumni donators to universities have quit when they went all pro Palestine (which I call pro Hamas). And the message is beginning to get out about how college is a very bad choice unless you go into STEM. A liberal arts degree no longer guarantees a job and the student loan debt is not worth it. Although some might still believe the Democrats’ lie about debt forgiveness or free college for all (which will only make a degree even more worthless.)
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 03:57:46 AM
It’s Aaron Clarey again! Love his premise. I’ve known it for YEARS, almost from birth. Clearly, men have very different capabilities and qualities. I’ve always thought feminism was a sick joke, and “equality” too. I do NOT want to be “like” or “better than” or “equal to” a man, and the idea of needing a man is quite wonderful. And he needs me. And we work together in life. With our differing biology and skills and brains. I have two single friends, now in their 50’s, wedded to their jobs and always droning on about wage gaps and trying to find fulfillment in travel, homes, etc. Not for me. I appreciate men. A lot.
Me too, especially my man, who can do anything from killing bugs to fixing the car to literally keeping the grid up when he worked for the power company. Can you imagine women going “I don’t need a man” while they’re driving on a road built and maintained by men, in a car designed, built and repaired by men, in clothing made from petroleum products and drinking water from plastic bottles made from petroleum processed by men from crude gotten out of the ground by men and eating snacks made with grains grown by male farmers and driven to the stores by male truck drivers after going across the country on a train driven and conducted by men and the whole thing defended by a mostly male military. I just can’t. It’s one of the most obvious things yet some women just can’t connect the dots.
Post by: Little Joe on November 15, 2023, 04:38:29 AM
Or maybe "a day without white men",
or even "a day without old white men".
We (old white men) don't get no respect anymore.
And to save Lucifer a little time and typing, Poor me! ;)
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 05:18:34 AM
I've often thought we should have a "day without men" day.
Or maybe "a day without white men",
or even "a day without old white men".
We (old white men) don't get no respect anymore.
And to save Lucifer a little time and typing, Poor me! ;)
Old white men leaving the work force is becoming a big problem. They have the knowledge and there is a lack of it among the young ones.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 15, 2023, 05:33:16 AM
Old white men leaving the work force is becoming a big problem. They have the knowledge and there is a lack of it among the young ones.Mostly a lack of wanting to gain the knowledge. Why learn to do something when you can just pay someone else to do it for you. In the last month I flushed and changed the fluid in my automatic transmission, changed the oil and filter and rotated the tires. How many younger men today could be bothered with such things. So much of the knowledge is available today by watching a video on YouTube. all they have to do is look for it.
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 05:40:17 AM
Mostly a lack of wanting to gain the knowledge. Why learn to do something when you can just pay someone else to do it for you. In the last month I flushed and changed the fluid in my automatic transmission, changed the oil and filter and rotated the tires. How many younger men today could be bothered with such things. So much of the knowledge is available today by watching a video on YouTube. all they have to do is look for it.
The inability of young men to do basic stuff like that is downright frightening. Because not only are they unable to do such stuff for themselves, they aren’t interested in getting jobs to do it, so it will become increasingly hard to find someone to pay to do it for you. I guess in theory the market supply and demand should result in high pay for such jobs and an influx of men to take them. But not if men decide they want to be lazy and live in mom’s basement instead of getting any kind of job at all. And why get a job if no girl will date you and you have no prospect of marrying?
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 05:47:12 AM
Guess which sex are outside at 5:00 in the morning climbing poles and whatnot trying to fix my internet? Yeah, I don’t need no man.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 15, 2023, 07:02:56 AM
I've just had enough. The country is lost at this point, we can't find enough Republicans with spines to fight back and take our country back. They sit back and get run over time and time again by the Democrats while the Democrats sit back and laugh waiting to take the majority back. Our FBI is doing the bidding of the administration by targeting anyone that is MAGA, meanwhile crime is rampant with stores being looted relentlessly and not fighting back.Don’t lose heart. And good for you for speaking up. We’ve sunk into a mire of pretending that wrong is right, or at least okay, and it isn’t and never will be. I’ve been speaking up lately, and perhaps one day our media-zombied friends will begin to see the light. Good people being silent and passive lets the enemy win. And discouragement is the enemy’s greatest weapon.
Tonight, at a Bible study, I went off on the group. At the end we take prayer requests, a couple of mentions were of folks with COVID and it set me off. Told them I was tired of such a deal being made of COVID. After all the mutations it is like getting the common cold, also a corona virus. Told them we don't do prayer requests for so and so having a cold or the flu, which is probably not the flu. Tired of people saying they tested for COVID. WTF would you test for COVID now?
Sorry folks, I've had enough and don't see anything good happening at this point.
New CR to maintain current spending levels means the debt is going up more since their is no ceiling now for at least another 14 months. When will, in our lifetimes, ever see any group of politicians take any action to reign in spending? Not going to happen. Why should it, they keep getting re-elected time and time again.
I really need to go to bed.
Post by: Old Crow on November 15, 2023, 07:09:52 AM
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 07:17:37 AM
At the end of our street a crew is replacing water lines to connect to a new water and sewer lines. About 12 men working and 10 are 50 or above. 2 are in their 30's. The foreman says it is much harder to get young people to work construction now compared to 20 or 30 years ago. He says one young worker complains a lot but the other is a hard worker and is a joy to work with wanting to learn to do new things. They went through 3 women directing traffic around construction until they found one that didn't constantly complain about it's too cold, job beneath her, etc.
Yep. That's what's happening everywhere. There are young hard working men but far fewer and that's the problem. And the women are NOT stepping up to take their place in sufficient numbers, yes there are a few of them too but they will never, ever be major replacements for men in these physical jobs. They don't have the temperament even if they have the physical ability.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 15, 2023, 07:25:11 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 15, 2023, 08:03:42 AM
Yep. That's what's happening everywhere. There are young hard working men but far fewer and that's the problem. And the women are NOT stepping up to take their place in sufficient numbers, yes there are a few of them too but they will never, ever be major replacements for men in these physical jobs. They don't have the temperament even if they have the physical ability.Back in college I dated a girl who's sister became a "lineman" for Ga. Power. That was a major accomplishment for a woman back then. Not just because of the physical requirements but because of the social culture at the time.
She (the sister) was a very pretty, athletic and outspoken woman. I often thought I was dating the wrong sister.
She had to work really hard to get to the point where she could pass the test, which as I recall had her climbing to the top of the pole carrying 60 pounds of gear and swapping out an insulator that I think weighed in at around 40 pounds, and climbing back down. A lot of men couldn't pass that test, but worked out, practiced and passed. What a win for feminism. A woman can do anything a man can do!
Then she got married and then pregnant (in that order which shows how long ago it was). She obviously couldn't climb that pole pregnant but she was determined to get back up there when the kid was in daycare. She tried valiantly, but being a new mother she didn't have the time to work out to keep her strength to the point where she could climb that pole any more so she switched to an office job and finally quit to become a full time mom.
We can all wish we were something we are not. I have often wished I was a 7 ft tall black NBA player, but I had to acknowledge that no amount of effort or surgery was going to make that happen. So I used what abilities I had the best I could to get where I am.
Post by: nddons on November 15, 2023, 08:34:25 AM
You have a political party who is hell bent on Totalitarianism. They mock the opposition party at every opportunity, and they constantly keep saying "Aw, c'mon, just trust us" as well as "The republicans just won't compromise!" while all along it is them saying "my way or the highway!".Hamas filmed their own version of abortion. They filmed cutting a baby out of the womb of a mother, then beheading the baby in front of the mother, and then killing the mother. All on a GoPro.
We have a party that is made up of pure evil, and a death cult mentality. They are now aligning their values with another party of long ago known as the National Socialist Party. We know that party as "Nazi's".
You can't negotiate with evil, and there is no compromise.
How far away is the death cult democrat party from that? Sure they won’t kill the mother because she’s a reliable democrat voter, but they clearly have absolutely zero regard for the baby.
Post by: jb1842 on November 15, 2023, 08:37:58 AM
Hamas filmed their own version of abortion. They filmed cutting a baby out of the womb of a mother, then beheading the baby in front of the mother, and then killing the mother. All on a GoPro.
How far away is the death cult democrat party from that? Sure they won’t kill the mother because she’s a reliable democrat voter, but they clearly have absolutely zero regard for the baby.
They already would if they could.
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 08:40:18 AM
Back in college I dated a girl who's sister became a "lineman" for Ga. Power. That was a major accomplishment for a woman back then. Not just because of the physical requirements but because of the social culture at the time.
She (the sister) was a very pretty, athletic and outspoken woman. I often thought I was dating the wrong sister.
She had to work really hard to get to the point where she could pass the test, which as I recall had her climbing to the top of the pole carrying 60 pounds of gear and swapping out an insulator that I think weighed in at around 40 pounds, and climbing back down. A lot of men couldn't pass that test, but worked out, practiced and passed. What a win for feminism. A woman can do anything a man can do!
Then she got married and then pregnant (in that order which shows how long ago it was). She obviously couldn't climb that pole pregnant but she was determined to get back up there when the kid was in daycare. She tried valiantly, but being a new mother she didn't have the time to work out to keep her strength to the point where she could climb that pole any more so she switched to an office job and finally quit to become a full time mom.
We can all wish we were something we are not. I have often wished I was a 7 ft tall black NBA player, but I had to acknowledge that no amount of effort or surgery was going to make that happen. So I used what abilities I had the best I could to get where I am.
Yep. I did the same damn thing. Was an engineer in a mostly male department. Got married, got pregnant and even climbed through a boiler in my second trimester but after the baby came I couldn’t put her in daycare so quit my job. I did go back to work for a few years when they were in school but it was more of a desk engineering job.
But there are rare exceptions. I had a female karate instructor who was barely 4’11”, lean and light, and the most badass multi-level black belt you ever met. The only men she couldn’t beat up were equal or higher black belts. But she was a lesbian so probably had more “toxic” masculinity than regular women.
Post by: Lucifer on November 15, 2023, 10:01:58 AM
I've often thought we should have a "day without men" day.
Or maybe "a day without white men",
or even "a day without old white men".
We (old white men) don't get no respect anymore.
And to save Lucifer a little time and typing, Poor me! ;)
Thanks.
Post by: Username on November 15, 2023, 11:03:35 AM
Try deciding the morality of the other end of life first: if someone is on life support and would die if removed, who, if anyone, should be forced to foot the bill?I think that this is a VERY important thing to think about. Not about the bill, but about terminating life support. Terminating life support even when when the brain is dead and all hope is lost is a terribly difficult decision and ordeal for most families. Now bring that decision forward... when a terminal illness is discovered? When the old fart becomes inconvenient? When someone retires and is no longer a benefit to society? At age thirty in Carousel? It's a hard decision and it should be hard. Terminating a life SHOULD NOT BE EASY.
Now shift it to abortion. It's cheap and easy. A quick decision for many. But it is also terminating a life, but done too easily. If abortion had the same level of anguish as offing grampa then it would be very, very rare. But right now, it's "a baby would be inconvenient, dump it."
Something I've been really thinking about, but haven't really quite figured it out. Firing a gun is no different than throwing a rock. It's just a whole lot easier. I wonder what would happen if more people thought "would I throw a rock at that person", and actually put some effort into throwing that rock vs point and shoot. I'm not advocating a 10 pound trigger pull or a 10 second delay between pull and bang... Just advocating more thought and effort behind the action. Again, not a fully developed idea.......
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 15, 2023, 11:41:49 AM
Back in college I dated a girl who's sister became a "lineman" for Ga. Power. That was a major accomplishment for a woman back then. Not just because of the physical requirements but because of the social culture at the time.Damn, no bucket truck?
She (the sister) was a very pretty, athletic and outspoken woman. I often thought I was dating the wrong sister.
She had to work really hard to get to the point where she could pass the test, which as I recall had her climbing to the top of the pole carrying 60 pounds of gear and swapping out an insulator that I think weighed in at around 40 pounds, and climbing back down. A lot of men couldn't pass that test, but worked out, practiced and passed. What a win for feminism. A woman can do anything a man can do!
Then she got married and then pregnant (in that order which shows how long ago it was). She obviously couldn't climb that pole pregnant but she was determined to get back up there when the kid was in daycare. She tried valiantly, but being a new mother she didn't have the time to work out to keep her strength to the point where she could climb that pole any more so she switched to an office job and finally quit to become a full time mom.
We can all wish we were something we are not. I have often wished I was a 7 ft tall black NBA player, but I had to acknowledge that no amount of effort or surgery was going to make that happen. So I used what abilities I had the best I could to get where I am.
Post by: Little Joe on November 15, 2023, 11:54:10 AM
Damn, no bucket truck?Even if Ga. Power had them back in the early '70s, I think the linemen still had to be able to pass the pole test.
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 12:31:39 PM
I think that this is a VERY important thing to think about. Not about the bill, but about terminating life support. Terminating life support even when when the brain is dead and all hope is lost is a terribly difficult decision and ordeal for most families. Now bring that decision forward... when a terminal illness is discovered? When the old fart becomes inconvenient? When someone retires and is no longer a benefit to society? At age thirty in Carousel? It's a hard decision and it should be hard. Terminating a life SHOULD NOT BE EASY.
Now shift it to abortion. It's cheap and easy. A quick decision for many. But it is also terminating a life, but done too easily. If abortion had the same level of anguish as offing grampa then it would be very, very rare. But right now, it's "a baby would be inconvenient, dump it."
Something I've been really thinking about, but haven't really quite figured it out. Firing a gun is no different than throwing a rock. It's just a whole lot easier. I wonder what would happen if more people thought "would I throw a rock at that person", and actually put some effort into throwing that rock vs point and shoot. I'm not advocating a 10 pound trigger pull or a 10 second delay between pull and bang... Just advocating more thought and effort behind the action. Again, not a fully developed idea.......
Well said. We find it so hard to pull the plug on grandpa because we have known him, have memories of him, loved him and been loved by him. It’s “easy” to have an abortion because all of that is in the future and those who abort their baby lack the imagination to project the future love and memories that will come with the child, either because they are young teens and not fully mature yet, or they’re psychopaths and don’t give a shit about their future child because they’re not capable of love anyway, or they’re just plain fucking stupid and can’t picture the future person this baby will become. I will never understand it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 15, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
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Something I've been really thinking about, but haven't really quite figured it out. Firing a gun is no different than throwing a rock. It's just a whole lot easier. I wonder what would happen if more people thought "would I throw a rock at that person", and actually put some effort into throwing that rock vs point and shoot. I'm not advocating a 10 pound trigger pull or a 10 second delay between pull and bang... Just advocating more thought and effort behind the action. Again, not a fully developed idea.......
Actually, I'd argue throwing a rock is easier... but to your point:
(a meandering thought...): A while back I was listening to the James Cameron commentary on T2. Recall that there was a portion later in the movie when Sarah Connor when to kill the guy who would develop the first of the chips used by skynet. Recall the Sarah tried to shoot the guy from a (relatively short) distance outside the house. When she missed she moved in and pointed the gun at home as really close range, but she couldn't pull the trigger. (John Conner and the original terminator arrived at that point). Cameron lamented about how it was easy to shoot/kill somene when you dehumanize the target in the gun sight. I submit that a major contributor to murder, any murder, is how easily we dehumanize the enemy. We aren't taught to respect the lives of other people.... or at least not enough people are taught that.
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2023, 03:41:08 PM
Actually, I'd argue throwing a rock is easier... but to your point:
(a meandering thought...): A while back I was listening to the James Cameron commentary on T2. Recall that there was a portion later in the movie when Sarah Connor when to kill the guy who would develop the first of the chips used by skynet. Recall the Sarah tried to shoot the guy from a (relatively short) distance outside the house. When she missed she moved in and pointed the gun at home as really close range, but she couldn't pull the trigger. (John Conner and the original terminator arrived at that point). Cameron lamented about how it was easy to shoot/kill somene when you dehumanize the target in the gun sight. I submit that a major contributor to murder, any murder, is how easily we dehumanize the enemy. We aren't taught to respect the lives of other people.... or at least not enough people are taught that.
That’s how all wars go. You dehumanize the enemy and paint them as the face of absolute evil. Then you not only can kill them, you feel like it is your duty to.
Post by: Number7 on November 15, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
The brainwashing on the subject of devaluing human life is so deeply ingrained that many so-called republicans are ready to throw in the towel and “compromise” like fucking lemmings on the subject.
Standing up for life is universes harder than caving to the communist left democrats, that’s why so many so-called republicans want to surrender and call it compromise.
Once you (the individual you, not everybody you) accept murdering inconvenient unborn children, you cross the line into the sickness that infects half the country.
Post by: nddons on November 15, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
When I brace a brain washed liberal about murdering the unborn, they instantly trot out old worn out, bullshit sound bite lines that are so pathetically shallow that calling them lame does not do them Justice.Bingo.
The brainwashing on the subject of devaluing human life is so deeply ingrained that many so-called republicans are ready to throw in the towel and “compromise” like fucking lemmings on the subject.
Standing up for life is universes harder than caving to the communist left democrats, that’s why so many so-called republicans want to surrender and call it compromise.
Once you (the individual you, not everybody you) accept murdering inconvenient unborn children, you cross the line into the sickness that infects half the country.
Post by: Anthony on November 16, 2023, 03:58:49 AM
The inability of young men to do basic stuff like that is downright frightening. Because not only are they unable to do such stuff for themselves, they aren’t interested in getting jobs to do it, so it will become increasingly hard to find someone to pay to do it for you. I guess in theory the market supply and demand should result in high pay for such jobs and an influx of men to take them. But not if men decide they want to be lazy and live in mom’s basement instead of getting any kind of job at all. And why get a job if no girl will date you and you have no prospect of marrying?
It depends on what day you ask me and my latest interaction with them. They can't fix a flat tire, don't know what a lug wrench is or what it is used for. They might get their hands dirty. If they can't do it with their phone, they don't want to do it. But, they know the ins and outs of the latest video game....
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Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 16, 2023, 06:08:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2023, 07:27:50 AM
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Something to keep in mind -
The attacks on Biden from the Democrat Establishment coincide with the ascent of Gavin Newsom.
How could the DNC avoid a messy primary and nominate their preferred candidate (Newsom)?
It’s in the fine print.
Biden is increasingly frail and confused, his dementia is worsening and his economic plan is faltering.
His popularity continues to crumble even among Democrats.
Consider the possibility that he resigns after receiving the Presidential nomination at the DNC 2024 convention.
Why that specific timing?
Because –
Rules adopted by the Democratic National Committee in 2022 leave the DNC as the sole authority to appoint a Presidential nominee where that nominee resigns after the August 2024 convention.
No vote or primary needed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Eo5TnXUAAWJNi.png)
Newsom is already running a presidential campaign – his tour of China, Xi’s visit to SF (why not DC??), his civil rights stops in the US.
The question is whether he is targeting 2024 or 2028.
Maybe it’s both.
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2023, 08:48:59 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1725204153742323762.htmlI’ve been saying that (I think here) the Convention is the way to get rid of Biden, box out Kammy, and get Newsome in without anyone having to vote for Newsome.
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2023, 08:49:02 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1725204153742323762.htmlI’ve been saying that (I think here) the Convention is the way to get rid of Biden, box out Kammy, and get Newsome in without anyone having to vote for Newsome.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 17, 2023, 08:55:00 AM
I’ve been saying that (I think here) the Convention is the way to get rid of Biden, box out Kammy, and get Newsome in without anyone having to vote for Newsome.You can say that again ;D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 17, 2023, 08:57:36 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1725204153742323762.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1725204153742323762.html)
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his economic plan is faltering.
This I disagree with. Number one, I don't believe it is his plan at all even though he claims it. Second, it is exactly the plan, playing out Cloward/Piven to collapse the economy.
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2023, 09:05:55 AM
This I disagree with. Number one, I don't believe it is his plan at all even though he claims it. Second, it is exactly the plan, playing out Cloward/Piven to collapse the economy.
Don't disagree. The communist running the WH want to bring down this country. They have a puppet president who will read or do anything they put in front of him.
It's a sure bet that BHO is a part of that group. It's easy to spot BHO policies within the regime.
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2023, 10:03:30 AM
You can say that again ;DSome of the quirks of Tapatalk.
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2023, 08:30:29 PM
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Donald Trump is now 39 points ahead of his rival Ron DeSantis in Florida, a new poll has revealed, in yet more bad news for the struggling state governor.
Trump, 77, won 60 percent of support among registered Republicans polled by the University of North Florida, while DeSantis could only claim 21 percent.
Nikki Haley, Trump's former UN ambassador, came in third with six percent, while Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, won two percent.
Vivek Ramaswamy, the millionaire entrepreneur and political newcomer whose star has burned brightly but now seems to be fading, won one percent.
The pollsters surveyed 788 people between October 23 and November 4.
Post by: Rush on November 18, 2023, 05:29:28 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12764125/donald-trump-ron-desantis-florida-lead-polling.html
It’s interesting that Vivek has gone down so fast. I understand why DeSantis did, but I can’t put my finger on what Ramaswamy has “done wrong” in his campaign. Has he said any faux pas? I like everything I’ve heard him say but I’m not sure myself if I want him president. Is it the alleged ties to Soros? Let’s see, Soros’ older brother made a college fund for immigrants and children of immigrants and Vivek qualified. That’s it? That’s the big nefarious communist conspiracy with George Soros?
Weirdly I feel he might be too young for the presidency even as I feel Trump is almost too old.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 18, 2023, 06:52:49 AM
It’s interesting that Vivek has gone down so fast. I understand why DeSantis did, but I can’t put my finger on what Ramaswamy has “done wrong” in his campaign. Has he said any faux pas? I like everything I’ve heard him say but I’m not sure myself if I want him president. Is it the alleged ties to Soros? Let’s see, Soros’ older brother made a college fund for immigrants and children of immigrants and Vivek qualified. That’s it? That’s the big nefarious communist conspiracy with George Soros?As he's gotten over the target he's been heavily targeted. Seems like the MSM and even non-MSM outlets have gone after him and are now working hard to boost Haley. Some of it might his targeting of Haley and the rise in her family's wealth from her connections to Boeing and other MIC companies.
Weirdly I feel he might be too young for the presidency even as I feel Trump is almost too old.
He has to be careful in how he couches things also. Not sure he entirely thought through his firing 50% of the Fed workforce by firing all those whose SS numbers end in an odd number. I would think it is obvious that could produce a smaller or larger number than 50%.
He still has a lot of good things to say. I watch him on X.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2023, 07:19:14 AM
It’s interesting that Vivek has gone down so fast. I understand why DeSantis did, but I can’t put my finger on what Ramaswamy has “done wrong” in his campaign. Has he said any faux pas? I like everything I’ve heard him say but I’m not sure myself if I want him president. Is it the alleged ties to Soros? Let’s see, Soros’ older brother made a college fund for immigrants and children of immigrants and Vivek qualified. That’s it? That’s the big nefarious communist conspiracy with George Soros?
Weirdly I feel he might be too young for the presidency even as I feel Trump is almost too old.
The establishment republicans are now getting behind Dick Cheney in heels. She is falling in line and saying all the things they want to hear. Being a female minority also gives her a boost in their eyes.
Vivek has angered the establishment, and the liberals can’t have a minority that doesn’t obey the plantation owners.
RDS has flamed out so bad his own state will not back him.
The establishment still is not interested in winning, rather devoting their time and energy (money) to defeat the front runner. Even in the down ballot races they are working to defeat candidates in their own party. Establishment republicans are all to happy to let the democrats stay in power.
Post by: Rush on November 18, 2023, 07:40:27 AM
As he's gotten over the target he's been heavily targeted. Seems like the MSM and even non-MSM outlets have gone after him and are now working hard to boost Haley. Some of it might his targeting of Haley and the rise in her family's wealth from her connections to Boeing and other MIC companies.
He has to be careful in how he couches things also. Not sure he entirely thought through his firing 50% of the Fed workforce by firing all those whose SS numbers end in an odd number. I would think it is obvious that could produce a smaller or larger number than 50%.
He still has a lot of good things to say. I watch him on X.
I hadn’t heard about the odd SS number thing. In any case, we cannot all at once fire 50% of feds. That’s millions of people immediately unemployed without a manufacturing economy to take them up. It’s one of the horrible consequences of gradually replacing productive jobs (meaning actually making real things) with bureaucratic jobs that produce nothing but paperwork and regulations further choking the productive economy. Globalism has replaced domestic production supplying us with our shit. That needs to be reversed. It’s one of the things Trump understood by negotiating trade deals that began to incentivize bringing manufacturing back home.
If you think all those federal employees will happily fill the blue collar jobs available that we actually have a shortage of such as the trades, transportation, grid and infrastructure maintenance, etc. you’re crazy. They have degrees. They’re above getting their hands dirty.
Dismantling the monster we’ve created needs to be done piecemeal and judiciously to avoid a literal communist revolt with the unemployed feds taking to the streets. But doing it slowly gives the opposition the opportunity to strategize ways to obstruct and sabotage. This was a large part of Trump’s problem when he was in office. They saw his long term plan, rescinding multiple regulations for every one new one. He was attempting to shrink the bureaucracy and they weren’t having it. It’s one of the reasons they’re pulling out all the stops to prevent him from being re-elected.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 18, 2023, 07:42:36 AM
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Mark R. Levin@marklevinshowNikki Haley's solicitation of Disney last April gave me a real look into her mindset. I was relatively neutral on Nikki Haley when she announced her candidacy. I was open to seeing how she would campaign and what she would say, since her record as governor was thin to worse. But it was what I call the Disney moment when she exposed herself. Since then, it has been downhill. "Debate performances" are just that. Performances. The real Nikki Haley has revealed herself. She won't fight the culture wars. She won't be tough on China (regardless of her political statements). She won't be tough on the border (her first instinct was to invite Palestinians into the country despite all the inhumanity on the border already unleashed by Biden). And she will owe all those uni-party billionaires whose support she is soliciting and who are offering her support -- and who despise the conservative base. All you need to do is look and it becomes quite obvious. And there's a reason Romney, Rove, and a growing list of their ilk are lining up behind her, if not officially through surrogates, public comments, and in the shadows. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/mark-levin-acc (https://thepoliticalinsider.com/mark-levin-acc)
Post by: Number7 on November 18, 2023, 07:43:32 AM
Most federal jobs are little more than make work.
If only those jobs that are actually needed were contracted out, and not to buddies of the communist democrat shit bags, the cost of government could drop by 75%, easy.
Post by: Bamaflyer on November 18, 2023, 08:01:12 AM
The establishment republicans are now getting behind Dick Cheney in heels. She is falling in line and saying all the things they want to hear. Being a female minority also gives her a boost in their eyes.
Fuck no! I just won’t vote if that warmongering bitch is our choice. 😡
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
Fuck no! I just won’t vote if that warmongering bitch is our choice. 😡
The Republican Party ( like the DNC) is not about choice. They select the candidate they want and expect the voters to back them, and their agenda.
Republicans don’t care about winning. They don’t know how.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2023, 09:27:52 AM
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/ohio-2024-poll-brown-tops-potential-gop-opponents-in-the-u-s-senate-race/
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2023, 08:02:50 AM
Post by: texasag93 on November 20, 2023, 01:30:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/haWq082.png)
She is the whitest looking Sikh I have ever seen.
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2023, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: Number7 on November 20, 2023, 06:03:03 PM
https://twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1726714608248090889
That will piss off the mentally deficient, steingar types.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 20, 2023, 06:36:31 PM
She is the whitest looking Sikh I have ever seen.
Amazing what can be done touching up photos.
Post by: Rush on November 20, 2023, 06:55:03 PM
His words, not mine:
The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals has struck a devastating blow against the left's racket to make election integrity borderline illegal.
For decades, random citizens have been allowed to sue state or local governments to throw out voter ID, signature verification, or other election practices that supposedly constitute "discrimination." This law has encouraged well-funded groups to sue every government, however minor, that has any election security measures. Many jurisdictions fear passing any laws at all because they don't want to deal with the legal costs and hassle.
The left has built a massive apparatus led by Marc Elias to outsource all its election lawsuits. Now, the 8th Circuit says this racket is illegal throughout its jurisdiction, which includes the swing states of Iowa and Minnesota.
Marc Elias is fuming. He calls it the most dramatic change to election laws in half a century. His group, Democracy Docket, calls it "catastrophic."
The tide is shifting. 2024 is not 2020. We can win — and the left is starting to panic.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 20, 2023, 06:57:38 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3815)
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 20, 2023, 07:48:39 PM
The Arizona AG say it's illegal for a county to hand count ballots.
They could do the machine count and hand count random batches of ballots and then compare the results of the two procedures on each batch. That would accomplish the needed cross-check while staying within the law.
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2023, 08:17:58 PM
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1726658457200103726
His words, not mine:
The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals has struck a devastating blow against the left's racket to make election integrity borderline illegal.
For decades, random citizens have been allowed to sue state or local governments to throw out voter ID, signature verification, or other election practices that supposedly constitute "discrimination." This law has encouraged well-funded groups to sue every government, however minor, that has any election security measures. Many jurisdictions fear passing any laws at all because they don't want to deal with the legal costs and hassle.
The left has built a massive apparatus led by Marc Elias to outsource all its election lawsuits. Now, the 8th Circuit says this racket is illegal throughout its jurisdiction, which includes the swing states of Iowa and Minnesota.
Marc Elias is fuming. He calls it the most dramatic change to election laws in half a century. His group, Democracy Docket, calls it "catastrophic."
The tide is shifting. 2024 is not 2020. We can win — and the left is starting to panic.
In panic, people start to do really stupid things. And those stupid things can be catastrophic .
Post by: Number7 on November 20, 2023, 08:27:41 PM
It is illegal to refuse to insure a legal election occurred.
Democrats are so full of shit their breath stinks.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 21, 2023, 03:24:37 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 22, 2023, 04:26:03 AM
WaPO is paywalled, but theoretically this link is one of 9 sharable links I can have:
https://wapo.st/3STGzew
If it doesn't work I am sure Google can turn up similar results.
Just in case:
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Trump remains in control, holding a wide lead in state and national surveys as he centers his campaign on stoking grievances, vowing revenge against critics if returned to power and using the four criminal indictments he faces as a rallying cry. But the jockeying in a tier below the ex-president has moved, with Haley pulling even with DeSantis for a distant second in all-important Iowa and holding sole possession of that spot in recent surveys of New Hampshire and her home state of South Carolina, two subsequent contests.
Beyond those polling gains, which the former U.N. ambassador has built on well-received debate performances, Haley has also drawn fresh attention from some wealthy donors and is getting bigger crowds on the trail with a pitch rooted in general election appeal and reversing the GOP’s losing streak, as well as building consensus on some divisive issues such as abortion.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 22, 2023, 05:22:07 AM
Nikki is pulling ahead of DeSantis.All because she is suddenly the media darling.
WaPO is paywalled, but theoretically this link is one of 9 sharable links I can have:
https://wapo.st/3STGzew (https://wapo.st/3STGzew)
If it doesn't work I am sure Google can turn up similar results.
Just in case:
Post by: Little Joe on November 22, 2023, 06:01:06 AM
All because she is suddenly the media darling.Maybe so, but it is better that the press likes the President rather than hate her/him.
Of course though, I realize that will change if she gets elected, but still, the animosity will be orders of magnitude less.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 22, 2023, 06:41:16 AM
Maybe so, but it is better that the press likes the President rather than hate her/him.
That is entirely dependent on WHY the press likes or hates the President
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2023, 06:54:11 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 22, 2023, 09:16:40 AM
It’s moot. They’re jockeying to be first in the list of also rans.
Dick Cheney in heels doesn’t stand a chance even if she lucked out and got the nomination.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 22, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
Enjoyed this discussion
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2023, 01:06:32 PM
https://resistthemainstream.com/trump-reveals-what-hell-do-on-his-first-day-back-in-the-white-house/
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2023, 01:25:58 PM
I’m good with all of this.
https://resistthemainstream.com/trump-reveals-what-hell-do-on-his-first-day-back-in-the-white-house/
I’m good with it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 22, 2023, 01:49:59 PM
I’m good with all of this.
https://resistthemainstream.com/trump-reveals-what-hell-do-on-his-first-day-back-in-the-white-house/
interesting non-typo in the url: "hell"
Post by: Lucifer on November 22, 2023, 04:58:28 PM
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A top evangelical leader in Iowa, Bob Vander Plaats, confirmed Tuesday that his organization received $95,000 from what Reuters originally described as the “DeSantis campaign, a super PAC linked to him and a nonprofit group” before he endorsed the governor’s presidential election.
Fox News’s Bret Baier questioned Vander Plaats on the report, which asserts that Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R-FL) campaign and groups associated with him gave a total of $95,000 to the nonprofit, the Family Leader Foundation, which Vander Plaats heads up. At the time, Reuters pointed to campaign finance reports “and a document prepared by an Iowa state lawmaker who was helping the Vander Plaats organization raise money for a July 14 presidential candidate forum.”
“Well, it’s definitely true,” Vander Plaats told Baier, encouraging “everybody to read the Reuters article.”
“Everything we do is above board,” he added.
According to the August Reuters article, “DeSantis and supporting groups got three pages of advertisements in a booklet distributed at the July forum attended by 2,000 Christian conservatives, and tickets to the summit, lunch and an after-dinner event.”
At the time, Vander Plaats dismissed the so-called fees, describing them as “not even close to exorbitant” for the prime opportunity to be involved at a forum of that caliber.
“My only regret is that we probably should have charged more,” he said, as the DeSantis campaign spun the $95,000 as a sponsorship of sorts.
DeSantis spokesperson Andrew Romeo expressed pride in the campaign sponsoring “an ad with one of the largest and most effective social conservative groups in the state of Iowa.”
Further, Plaats denied that his endorsement would have anything to do with the funds.
“My endorsement has never been and never will be for sale,” Vander Plaats said, according to the August Reuters article. “My only interest is in bold, courageous, principled leadership for this country.”
Tuesday, following that flow of money, Vander Plaats formally endorsed DeSantis.
“I am thrilled to throw my personal endorsement and support behind Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida,” he said during that Fox News interview with Baier, adding, “But at last Friday’s Thanksgiving Family Forum, he closed the sale on me. He was very clear about [how] we need a president who can serve two terms, not one term.”
He continued:
We don’t need a president that’s going to be a lame duck on day one. You need a president that is going to surround themselves with the best and brightest people versus having a hard time attracting them again. And someone who’s actually going to do what they say they’re going to do. And I just think he’s got the spine to do it and I think he’s got the experience to win for us.
The endorsement is a prize to DeSantis, as Vander Plaats also supported former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s (R) 2008 campaign, as well as former Sen. Rick Santorum’s (R-PA) and Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX), all of whom won the Iowa caucus in their respective election years.
In addition, Vander Plaats is no stranger to this type of controversy, as he came under the microscope about ten years ago after the 2012 Iowa caucuses, as some suspected he was paid for his endorsement of Santorum.
As the Des Moines Register reported:
Fred Karger, a former Republican presidential hopeful and openly gay activist from California, filed the complaint in 2013 claiming consultants with the National Organization for Marriage and Santorum campaign staffers worked together to pay Vander Plaats and his organization The Family Leader $1 million for an endorsement two weeks ahead of the caucuses.
Karger’s complaint also charged that Vander Plaats gave his group’s “voter list” to the Santorum campaign, whose staff in turn failed to disclose the move as a donation or in-kind contribution.
However, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) ultimately dismissed the complaint. Regardless of the suspicions and controversy, DeSantis celebrated the endorsement.
“As I’ve made my way through 98 of Iowa’s 99 counties, Iowans have shared what a critical role @bobvanderplaats plays in engaging Iowa’s faith community in the key battles that matter. His support tells Iowans they can trust me to fight and win for them,” he wrote on X.
“We’re thrilled to have Bob and Darla on Team DeSantis and are thankful for their friendship as we’ve gotten to know them throughout this campaign,” he continued, adding, “The road to America’s revival starts in Iowa, and we will get the job done.”
However, that endorsement did not come without criticism, as some pointed out that Vander Plaats has a losing record, and others questioned the true motivations of the endorsement.
“Dude you do remember your still a governor in FL..?? We got shit here you need to address but he’ll maybe move to Iowa,” one commenter wrote.
“Dude’s literally taking cash from @NvrBackDown24 …your dishonesty is amazing, but not surprising,” another said.
“It’s hard to respect any endorsement that comes out for you when we know you are paying people for them,” another remarked, as former President Donald Trump chimed in on Truth Social.
“Ron DeDeSanctimonious, in an act of sheer desperation, paid Iowa preacher Bob Vander Plaats $100,000, and then got his Endorsement? We did not seek it. What is going on here?” he asked.
In a statement released by the Trump campaign, titled, “Bob Sander Plaat$ Endorses A Candidate Who Will Never Be President,” the campaign noted that “over 150 faith leaders are organizing their congregations for President Trump and not a single one demanded nearly $100k like Bob Sander Platt$ did from Ron DeSantis.”
“When you are actually the leader of a movement like President Trump is, people are willing to support you for free,” the statement continued.
Regardless, the DeSantis campaign surely hopes this endorsement will serve as fuel to the governor’s flailing presidential campaign, as recent polls show him slipping in early states, including Iowa, where former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley is beginning to gain steam, tying DeSantis for second place as he falls to third in South Carolina and fourth in New Hampshire.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2023, 06:08:19 PM
"On my first day back in the White House, I will terminate every open-borders policy of the Biden administration. I will stop the invasion on our southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in American history," Trump declared in Iowa on Saturday.
Trump announced his intention to invoke the Alien Enemies Act to help remove suspected gang members and drug dealers from the United States. Additionally, Trump said he would end the concept of "birthright citizenship" by signing an executive order on his first day in office, which would codify an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, making it so that citizenship is solely guaranteed on the basis of being born within the United States' borders.
Additionally, Trump plans to build more of the wall along the southern border and bring back measures such as Title 42, which had allowed the U.S. to reject migrants who attempted to enter the U.S. through the southern border during the pandemic.
Trump also announced a plan to begin "ideological screening" for immigrants, with the intention of blocking "Christian-hating communists and Marxists" as well as "dangerous lunatics, haters, bigots and maniacs" from entering the United States.
https://resistthemainstream.com/trump-reveals-what-hell-do-on-his-first-day-back-in-the-white-house/
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 22, 2023, 06:33:41 PM
Post by: Number7 on November 22, 2023, 06:36:00 PM
I'm pretty sure the legislative branch writes the laws and they are interpreted and applied by the judicial branch. If executive orders could be used to change interpretations of the law then we'd move into the kind of dictatorship that authoritarians love. Biden has attempted such re-interpretations several times and it takes a while to stop him, after which the damage has been done.
Oh, cliff.
You do such a good job of pretending to be the fifth grader who ALWAYS has to have something to say even when he has to make up shit.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 22, 2023, 07:27:32 PM
Oh, cliff.Happy thanksgiving to you too!
You do such a good job of pretending to be the fifth grader who ALWAYS has to have something to say even when he has to make up shit.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2023, 08:21:35 PM
I'm pretty sure the legislative branch writes the laws and they are interpreted and applied by the judicial branch. If executive orders could be used to change interpretations of the law then we'd move into the kind of dictatorship that authoritarians love. Biden has attempted such re-interpretations several times and it takes a while to stop him, after which the damage has been done.Government has been and is failing us. Everything President Trump points out should have been done decades ago.
Post by: Anthony on November 23, 2023, 03:21:08 AM
I'm pretty sure the legislative branch writes the laws and they are interpreted and applied by the judicial branch. If executive orders could be used to change interpretations of the law then we'd move into the kind of dictatorship that authoritarians love. Biden has attempted such re-interpretations several times and it takes a while to stop him, after which the damage has been done.
Presidents have to SIGN THE BILL before they become LAW. Presidents can also pressure the Legislature to introduce Bills he would sign.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 23, 2023, 07:11:23 AM
Happy thanksgiving to you too!
is that the holiday version of "bless your heart"?
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2023, 07:46:03 AM
Government has been and is failing us. Everything President Trump points out should have been done decades ago.
What Cliff is missing is many of these agencies fall under the Executive Branch. The Executive does indeed have the authority to manage and direct these agencies.
The Agencies are operating under regulations written from laws passed by congress, and those regulations fall under Administrative Law, not Civil Law. As long as the regulations cover the scope of the law, they are enforceable.
Where the current regime has gone off the rails is using Executive Orders to override civil law, essentially giving the executive authority over the legislative branch, which is clearly unconstitutional.
What Trump is proposing clearly falls under the Executive as he is not prosing to use executive orders in the way the current regime has done it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 23, 2023, 08:10:37 AM
Additionally, Trump said he would end the concept of "birthright citizenship" by signing an executive order on his first day in office, which would codify an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, making it so that citizenship is solely guaranteed on the basis of being born within the United States' borders.
really? If someone's mother and father are US citizens and but he happen to be born in Canada, he wouldn't be a US citizen?
Is that what people really want to happen?
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2023, 08:13:52 AM
Foreign nationals come to the US to have a baby, which is then a citizen. They use the baby as a way to stay in the US then start importing relatives based upon the citizenship of the baby.
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2023, 08:24:18 AM
Post by: Number7 on November 23, 2023, 08:32:01 AM
What Cliff is missing is many of these agencies fall under the Executive Branch. The Executive does indeed have the authority to manage and direct these agencies.
The Agencies are operating under regulations written from laws passed by congress, and those regulations fall under Administrative Law, not Civil Law. As long as the regulations cover the scope of the law, they are enforceable.
Where the current regime has gone off the rails is using Executive Orders to override civil law, essentially giving the executive authority over the legislative branch, which is clearly unconstitutional.
What Trump is proposing clearly falls under the Executive as he is not prosing to use executive orders in the way the current regime has done it.
Cliff knows SO MUCH that isn’t so…
Post by: Rush on November 23, 2023, 08:34:23 AM
I believe what the problem are "anchor babies".
Foreign nationals come to the US to have a baby, which is then a citizen. They use the baby as a way to stay in the US then start importing relatives based upon the citizenship of the baby.
Correct. The sentence in the article was very badly written.
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Additionally, Trump said he would end the concept of "birthright citizenship" by signing an executive order on his first day in office, which would codify an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, making it so that citizenship is solely guaranteed on the basis of being born within the United States' borders.
It implies Trump’s action would guarantee citizenship if you’re born here, but that’s already the case. It’s actually trying to say that that’s what the 14th currently says. The 14th was aimed at blacks, freed slaves. It granted them citizenship if they were born on American soil. The intent at the time wasn’t to legitimize the children of illegal immigrants, although it should logically apply to legal immigrants. The anchor baby issue became a big problem when illegals started flooding the southern border in far greater numbers.
The only other way to interpret the grammatical structure of that sentence is that Trump’s executive order would mean that the only way to get citizenship would be to be born here, which makes no sense at all. Then you wouldn’t be able to legally immigrate and become naturalized.
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2023, 09:14:28 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 23, 2023, 12:11:52 PM
Cliff knows SO MUCH that isn’t so…On the other hand, he also knows a lot that IS true.
And he is willing to research something if he doesn't know it rather than just accept something because it sounds good and corresponds with what he wants to believe.
He used to piss me off all the time till I figured out where he is coming from.
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2023, 03:46:11 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 23, 2023, 06:31:53 PM
is that the holiday version of "bless your heart"?No. Though I understand how it could be taken that way. I meant it literally. I have no issues with Number7's character - straight and trustworthy. Issues we can, ahem, differ on. He has his way of debating and I have mine. So why not wish him a happy thanksgiving since he wished an unqualified one for everyone else.
Post by: Anthony on November 24, 2023, 04:47:54 AM
No. Though I understand how it could be taken that way. I meant it literally. I have no issues with Number7's character - straight and trustworthy. Issues we can, ahem, differ on. He has his way of debating and I have mine. So why not wish him a happy thanksgiving since he wished an unqualified one for everyone else.
Classiest post of the year.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 24, 2023, 06:30:52 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/22/nikki-haley-never-trump-voters-00128398
Post by: Lucifer on November 24, 2023, 07:15:12 AM
Wow. Look at that Anybody But Trump crowd she’s drawn. Polling! Wow. Who’s the next bungee Trump-crusher? “Incoming!” LOL
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/22/nikki-haley-never-trump-voters-00128398
Again, massive fail of the republican party. Just imagine if the party pulled together to support the front runner rather than expend all the money and energy trying to defeat the front runner. Truly incredible.
The RDS campaign has imploded, the infighting of his staff are the last gasp of a dying campaign. Trying to buy endorsements was really stupid.
Dick Cheney in heels will peak and begin her decline as well.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 24, 2023, 07:25:29 AM
Stan would call supporting President Trump hero worship or a Superman complex, but NO. “Given what is happening in our nation, given the disintegration of our justice system; this is nothing short of insulting.”
Conservative Treehouse, 9/14/23: “Abandon hope all ye conniving GOP who choose to challenge MAGA. We The People are in charge now. We want a reckoning.
Donald Trump isn’t just our candidate, he’s our murder weapon – and the GOP is our target. We good now?”
Post by: Number7 on November 24, 2023, 08:06:58 AM
Imagine the communist democrat party bragging about how the third place candidate was consolidating the never-obama wing of the communist party.
That is how pathetic and dishonest this story line is.
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2023, 07:02:48 AM
Post by: Rush on November 27, 2023, 07:34:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2023, 07:43:53 AM
Since when does small government and free market mean “far right”?
Smears. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. This is the media complex and their attempt to paint anything conservative as evil.
The FJB regime is doing this with "MAGA". With the help of the media, they are trying to equate MAGA with NAZI. They keep this up with the hopes that eventually people will start to believe it. Listen to how FJB says MAGA, how he feigns disgust in saying it.
They are also trying to say MAGA is a "cult". It's all clever word play, and the weak minded fall for it.
And don't think all of this is coming from the communist democrats. Their partners in the establishment right are all to eager to join in and help them out.
Post by: nddons on November 27, 2023, 08:19:30 AM
Smears. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. This is the media complex and their attempt to paint anything conservative as evil.
The FJB regime is doing this with "MAGA".
Kind of like spending $25MM branding DeSantis as establishment.
Post by: Number7 on November 27, 2023, 08:23:17 AM
Kind of like spending $25MM branding DeSantis as establishment.
Trump derangement syndrome is a legitimate mental disorder.
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2023, 08:44:58 AM
Kind of like spending $25MM branding DeSantis as establishment.
Where has the majority of RDS campaign money come from? Ask Lee Zeldin why RDS ditched Zeldin's campaign event, then lied to the media about it.
Ask RDS about his Palm Beach fund raising events he hosted for high end establishment donors. You may want to also ask RDS about why so many of his advisors have republican establishment ties.
RDS will use whatever he needs to advance RDS. I get that, he's a politician. RDS won the governor office very narrowly the first time, and the only reason he pulled out a win was on the endorsement of DJT. So RDS was MAGA, and even used it in his ads to sway Trump supporters to vote for him. On his second governor election he once again used Trump's endorsement and also played up to get Trump supporters to support him, and he won easily.
Then, RDS listened as the establishment republicans were desperately looking for someone to keep DJT from running. RDS surrounded himself with establishment advisors, and they in turn began fund raising with the establishment donors. The establishment thought RDS's success on re-election to governor would enable him to keep and hold the Trump supporters as he would be seen as the successor to the MAGA agenda. The establishment severely miscalculated and immediately began loosing support.
Another huge problem with RDS is his inability to run a national campaign. Again, using establishment campaigning techniques the messaging doesn't resonate with the core voters. As of right now RDS will not even be able to win his own state in the primaries. That's devastating for a campaign.
In retrospect, had RDS got behind DJT he would have probably been in line to a VP pick, which would have carried him into 2028 easily and a re-election in 2032. Even if not picked for the VP in 2024, finishing his term as Governor and perhaps a run for the senate would have been easy and better positioned himself for later.
Any way you look at it, RDS made a major mistake aligning himself with the republican establishment.
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2023, 08:57:40 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 27, 2023, 09:39:53 AM
Since when does small government and free market mean “far right”?
When it's to the right of the freaks on the extreme left.
Post by: Lucifer on November 29, 2023, 11:13:33 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2023, 06:18:07 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pick-haley-vp-mccarthy-161444887.html
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Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in an interview Wednesday that he would advise former President Trump pick 2024 presidential candidate Nikki Haley as his running mate.
During the New York Times’s DealBook Summit, Andrew Ross Sorkin asked McCarthy who the “right person” would be for Trump to pick as his vice president among Haley, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), and 2024 GOP presidential candidates Vivek Ramaswamy and Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.).
“If I was a political person, and I was going to advise somebody, you’re going to pick the vice president that’s about addition, not subtraction. So you’re not going to pick somebody that already equates to you,” McCarthy responded.
“Now if I was picking for purely political decisions, what it looks like today is the anti-Trump vote is going to Nikki Haley,” he added.
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 06:20:31 AM
File this under "YHGTBSM"
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pick-haley-vp-mccarthy-161444887.html
He’s an idiot but it’s not unexpected. If the Uniparty has to have Trump, they want to get one of their own in as VP.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2023, 06:28:40 AM
Bunch of scum and traitors.
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 06:35:33 AM
How long before the communist democrat party and their pansy buddies in the republican establishment would 'arrange' some terrible end to the second Trump presidency?
Bunch of scum and traitors.
You can be absolutely certain they are planning it all out. They need Trump’s VP to be someone that will uphold the entire apparatus: all the federal agencies, the MIC, etc. Doesn’t matter if it’s a Dem or Rep, they just need to get the right Republican as his running mate. Knock Trump off then just carry on with the totalitarian takeover.
This is their backup plan if the election fraud fails this time.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2023, 06:46:41 AM
Nothing says democrat like communist, brainwashed, hypocrite, and hateful.
Post by: Little Joe on November 30, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
Or am I under the false impression that winning is the goal?
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 08:52:23 AM
I think picking Haley as VP would be a good idea, and the sooner the better. It would pretty much end the rest of the alternate candidates campaigns and it would help win a lot of the moderate (RINO) votes and some of the anti-Trump votes and it would help put Trump in the White House.
Or am I under the false impression that winning is the goal?
One of the problems with Trump’s first term is he took bad advice from people he trusted but shouldn’t have. I fear he may do the same with Haley (if he’s allowed to live that is). For example, he might end up getting us in a war due to her urging instead of following his own instincts. Women have a way of manipulating men, sorry to say, and he’s probably not immune to that.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
He’s an idiot but it’s not unexpected. If the Uniparty has to have Trump, they want to get one of their own in as VP.It’s not surprising. The entire paradigm has been overturned.
Exhibit A is Trump’s embrace of the endorsement of the stated Marist BLM.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2023, 12:11:31 PM
It’s not surprising. The entire paradigm has been overturned.
Exhibit A is Trump’s embrace of the endorsement of the stated Marist BLM.
I'm trying to understand your delusion rage about this.
Are you seriously saying that black lives matters should NOT BE ALLOWED modify their racist policies and should not be allowed to make sense???
Or...
Are you saying that once black lives matters realized that the communist democrats treated blacks like plantation slaves, they should not be allowed to turn away from them?
Either way your supposition seems delusional and a by product of Trump Derangement.
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 12:17:33 PM
It’s not surprising. The entire paradigm has been overturned.
Exhibit A is Trump’s embrace of the endorsement of the stated Marist BLM.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Can you link me to something? What did he say about BLM?
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 12:18:06 PM
I'm trying to understand your delusion rage about this.
Are you seriously saying that black lives matters should NOT BE ALLOWED modify their racist policies and should not be allowed to make sense???
Or...
Are you saying that once black lives matters realized that the communist democrats treated blacks like plantation slaves, they should not be allowed to turn away from them?
Either way your supposition seems delusional and a by product of Trump Derangement.
BLM modified something? What did I miss?
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
By the way, Dick Cheney in heels won’t even win her home state in the primaries. She’s that bad.
Nope, way too many choices for VP without bringing her in.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2023, 12:35:04 PM
BLM modified something? What did I miss?
BLM endorsed Trump. Even they are now seeing how bad the current regime is.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 30, 2023, 12:44:12 PM
BLM endorsed Trump. Even they are now seeing how bad the current regime is.One local leader did. Can't find any evidence of wider support - mostly denials from other BLM leaders.
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 01:25:58 PM
One local leader did. Can't find any evidence of wider support - mostly denials from other BLM leaders.
Yeah I knew about that one guy. I thought we talked about it somewhere here. I want to know what Trump said about it. Stan said he “embraced” the BLM endorsement. He literally said “Exhibit A”, so I want to see the exhibit. I want to know if Trump implied that the entire BLM organization is fine with him. Which it shouldn’t be, on the highest level it is a scam. But that doesn’t mean local leaders aren’t working for good within their own communities. Trump not only would endorse that, his policies in his first term supported the like. (Investing in minority communities.)
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 03:07:55 PM
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Can you link me to something? What did he say about BLM?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231130/3cc9cb86bf75dd53a2d9670d98416527.jpg)
It’s not a meme. It’s all over.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 03:13:27 PM
I'm trying to understand your delusion rage about this.I’m saying when a group that are sworn Marxists, who destroyed major cities, attacked police and white civilians, and burned cities like Minneapolis and Kenosha, Wisconsin endorses you, you would be better served by not accepting that endorsement.
Are you seriously saying that black lives matters should NOT BE ALLOWED modify their racist policies and should not be allowed to make sense???
Or...
Are you saying that once black lives matters realized that the communist democrats treated blacks like plantation slaves, they should not be allowed to turn away from them?
Either way your supposition seems delusional and a by product of Trump Derangement.
Unless you’re desperate for votes and that’s literally all that matters to you.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2023, 03:29:15 PM
I’m saying when a group that are sworn Marxists, who destroyed major cities, attacked police and white civilians, and burned cities like Minneapolis and Kenosha, Wisconsin endorses you, you would be better served by not accepting that endorsement.
Unless you’re desperate for votes and that’s literally all that matters to you.
Unless someone is DESPERATE to hate anything and everything good about President Trump, having an avowed enemy change sides and endorse him is a HUGE victory and needs to be communicated so other black voters can see the pathway to leaving the plantation.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 03:54:50 PM
Unless someone is DESPERATE to hate anything and everything good about President Trump, having an avowed enemy change sides and endorse him is a HUGE victory and needs to be communicated so other black voters can see the pathway to leaving the plantation.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231130/b8cf7d0341a536befd85b378e0d41ecd.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
All hail Haley
Never Trumpville has found its vacuous candidate
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Who’s the leader of the club
That’s made for you and I?
N-I-K
K-K-I
H-A-L-E-Y!
Never Trumpers have found their man and surprise, surprise Sergeant Carter, it’s a woman.
CNBC reported, “JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon urged Democrats to support Nikki Haley in the GOP presidential primary, arguing that she offers a strong alternative to former President Donald Trump.”
Dimon said, “If you’re a very liberal Democrat, I urge you to help Nikki Haley, too. Give them a choice on the Republican side that might be better than Trump.”
ABC reported, “A group of self-styled political independents filed paperwork with the FEC this week to launch a new Super PAC aimed at swinging independent voters to support former U.N. ambassador and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley in her bid to secure the Republican presidential nomination.”
Never Trumpers want Democrats and Independents to vote for her in the Republican primaries to kneecap President Trump and MAGA Republicans in the general election.
That’s good to know. The move reflects how much fear of Trump there is.
I enjoy watching the sputtering campaigns of her competition for the Never Trump blessing and the money that goes with it.
The Hill reported, “Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis criticized former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley for not showing interest in a proposed debate with him on Fox News.”
He said, “Well, she probably wouldn’t like what the debate would be about. I mean, I think she has taken very, very establishment-oriented positions.”
He’s desperate.
He later said, “I’ll debate any of these folks. I think that’s what it is all about.”
He’s very desperate.
Meanwhile Krispy Kreme Champ Chris Christie told Dana Bash of CNN, “I expect to be in this race through to the convention, Dana. And so yes, absolutely.”
Translation: He won’t make it out of New Hampshire. He should grow a mustache and become the new gotta-make-the-doughnuts guy for Dunkin Donuts if they ever bring that ad campaign back. If Christie were six inches high, he’d make a nice Poppin Fresh. Tee-hee-hee.
After months of hemming and hawing, RINOs have finally settled on Haley, who is Bobby Jindal in three-inch heels. She is safe and smiley and willing to say whatever they want her to say.
There is nothing wrong with being a dummy. Charlie McCarthy was witty and popular back in the day going toe-to-toe with W.C. Fields on the radio. But Charlie had Edgar Bergen pulling his strings as it were. Poor Nikki has Charles Koch.
Brian Schwartz of CNBC reported, “The political network largely financed by billionaire Charles Koch endorsed former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley for president Tuesday, boosting her primary campaign against the Republican front-runner, former President Donald Trump.
“The Haley endorsement by the Koch-backed super PAC Americans for Prosperity Action marks the end of a yearlong search for a viable Republican alternative to challenge Trump.
“Haley ‘has what it takes to lead a policy agenda to take on our nation’s biggest challenges and help ensure our country's best days are ahead,’ the group said in a memo. ‘With the grassroots and data capability we bring to bear in this race, no other organization is better equipped to help her do it.’
“The network has massive resources, and it said it is prepared to deploy them to boost the former South Carolina governor and to challenge Trump’s increasingly tight grip on his party's presidential nominating contest.”
The press release shows just how empty and daft Never Trumpers are. They hailed Haley as ready “to lead a policy agenda” — not how to lead a country.
The press is infatuated with Koch, who was known as the Koch Brothers before his brother David’s death in 2019. But whom have the Koches ever elected president? Certainly not Donald Trump. Nevertheless, when Charles Koch speaks, dummies listen.
CNN reported on January 8, 2016, “GOP kingmaker Charles Koch said he is ‘disappointed’ by the field of 2016 Republican candidates and sharply criticized the rhetoric and policies put forth by front-runners Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.
“Koch, who along with billionaire brother David famously pledged to spend $900 million supporting Republicans in 2016, expressed dissatisfaction with the GOP primary thus far during a lengthy interview with the Financial Times published Friday.”
So the Brothers Koch (pronounced coke not cotch) pledged $900 million but found a way to renege because they did not like the Republican candidates they said they would back.
If pledging an unprecedented amount of money is all it takes to be heard on CNN, then I pledge to donate a trillion dollars. Oh wait, I don’t want to be on CNN. Make that 12 cents and a returnable Pepsi bottle.
Now Koch says he will turn his political factories, such as they are, into the Haley mills. Do they have a means of putting a brain in her?
Two weeks ago, she said, “When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms.
“Let us see why they’re pushing what they’re pushing. The second thing is, every person on social media should be verified, by their name. That’s, first of all, it’s a national security threat. When you do that, all of a sudden, people have to stand by what they say.”
After people pointed out there is a thing called the First Amendment, she backed down.
She said, “I don’t mind anonymous American people having free speech; what I don’t like is anonymous Russians and Chinese and Iranians having free speech.”
Putin, Xi and the ayatollahs thank her for her support.
What a mess. But at least she didn’t use misinformation and disinformation as code words for censorship. I guess that makes her only half a Democrat.
This policy agenda Charles Koch wants Haley to lead is a loser. Social Security is the third rail of politics, a reference to subways that means don’t touch it. Koch wants Republicans to place both hands and both feet on it. Haley is on it. She wants to raise the retirement age.
Democrats would have a field day with that.
Paul Krugman wrote, “Until Covid struck, average life expectancy at 65, the relevant number, was indeed rising. But these gains were concentrated among Americans with relatively high incomes. Less affluent Americans — those who depend most on Social Security — have seen little rise in life expectancy, and in some cases actual declines.
“So anyone invoking rising life expectancy as a reason to delay Social Security benefits is, in effect, saying that aging janitors must keep working (or be cast into extreme poverty) because bankers are living longer.
“How, then, should the Social Security gap be closed? The obvious answer — which happens to be favored by a majority of voters — is to raise more revenue. Remember, America collects less revenue as a percentage of G.D.P. than almost any other advanced economy.”
I got a chuckle out of his farcical notion of life expectancy equity. Does that mean the rich must kill themselves when they hit 70 to even things out? Thank goodness then that I ain’t rich.
But as goofy and as ill-informed as Krugman is, he has a Nobel and an audience. He also outlined the DNC line of attack, which is a pretty good one.
Haley is not much better than him. In 2016, she used her spot as the Republican response to Obama’s State of the Union address to attack Donald Trump.
She said, “During anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. We must resist that temptation. No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.”
And nearly 8 years later, she collected her reward as the presidential candidate of Never Trumpville, where it is all about cheap labor and the illegal aliens who provide it. If open borders also bring in fentanyl, gang bangers and terrorists, Koch and the rest don’t care because they can afford private security.
What likely cost DeSantis the Never Trumpville endorsement is the Never Trumpvillains are uncomfortable with his willingness to take on social issues. No one wants a puppet who can think.
Plus, maybe the RINOs believe he would have a better chance than her of winning next November.
Post by: Rush on November 30, 2023, 06:21:24 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231130/3cc9cb86bf75dd53a2d9670d98416527.jpg)
It’s not a meme. It’s all over.
Oh, okay, thanks. Yes he misspoke. He has that one man’s support, not BLM the whole national organization, that I know of. I’d be very surprised if “BLM” formally endorses Trump.
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2023, 08:23:16 PM
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 09:32:33 PM
Oh, okay, thanks. Yes he misspoke. He has that one man’s support, not BLM the whole national organization, that I know of. I’d be very surprised if “BLM” formally endorses Trump.Now Rush. Do you reeeeealy think Trump didn’t intend to say he got the endorsement of BLM? Or did he just assume every black person and every Trump supporter would be able to parse the precise words that he used and only assume it was one person’s endorsement?
Please.
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2023, 09:35:34 PM
The Trump delusion syndrome runs very ugly in you.Your failure to ever make a cogent argument for your Huckleberry and instead only resorting to killing the messenger is truly a sign of a weak man.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 03:11:26 AM
Now Rush. Do you reeeeealy think Trump didn’t intend to say he got the endorsement of BLM? Or did he just assume every black person and every Trump supporter would be able to parse the precise words that he used and only assume it was one person’s endorsement?
Please.
I don’t know what he intended. Who cares what he says? He has always spoken in hyperbole. “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it.” Really? You think every time he’s said that it was actually the biggest most beautiful whatever in the whole history of mankind?
You can’t take anything he says literally. I just care about what he does, not says.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 01, 2023, 04:12:44 AM
I don’t know what he intended. Who cares what he says? He has always spoken in hyperbole. “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it.” Really? You think every time he’s said that it was actually the biggest most beautiful whatever in the whole history of mankind?Stan's an accounting geek, he's wrapped in more absolutes. ;)
You can’t take anything he says literally. I just care about what he does, not says.
Post by: Little Joe on December 01, 2023, 04:21:37 AM
Stan's an accounting geek, he's wrapped in more absolutes. ;)Or maybe he just has a problem with politicians telling lies.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 04:39:01 AM
Stan's an accounting geek, he's wrapped in more absolutes. ;)
I actually relate to that very well. I normally take things literally and often miss sarcasm. I’m probably borderline Asbergery. But with Trump I’ve learned his style. I find it curious how the media, the left, and conservative TDS sufferers obsess over his words and seem oblivious to his well established over-the-top exaggeration.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 01, 2023, 04:53:56 AM
Or maybe he just has a problem with politicians telling lies.
Name one that doesn't.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 05:04:33 AM
Name one that doesn't.
Name one human that doesn’t. All verbal descriptions of anything that has happened are by definition an approximation, not reality. This is very well understood by lawyers, prosecutors, and police. This is the very reason we have the fifth amendment because any of us, relating the exact same event two different times will have some variance between them that will be called a “lie”.
Post by: Little Joe on December 01, 2023, 05:38:28 AM
Name one that doesn't.
They all lie.
But if we call Trump on it we have TDS.
I voted for Trump twice and I'll vote for him again if he gets the nomination.
I just don't subscribe to the theory that he gets credit for anything good that happened on his watch and if anything bad happened it was someone else's fault, or nothing else could have been done.
And I don't give him a pass when he lies or says stupid, childish things or even just exaggerates the truth.
And I don't understand people that do all of those things.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 01, 2023, 05:47:48 AM
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 05:51:08 AM
Dr. Gregory House : It's a basic truth of the human condition, that everybody lies.
I love House.
Post by: Username on December 01, 2023, 06:16:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 01, 2023, 06:24:17 AM
In the past couple of days I've had a ton of Haley texts urging me to donate to her campaign as they now "have the momentum and the vision". Yeah, right.
The establishment has tossed RDS aside for Dick Cheney in heels, yet another colossal mistake. She will flame out by South Carolina.
Of course the establishment will then try to convince DJT to take her on as a running mate, which won't go anywhere.
The desperation is mounting.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 06:24:52 AM
In the past couple of days I've had a ton of Haley texts urging me to donate to her campaign as they now "have the momentum and the vision". Yeah, right.
Me too. And email. I ignore it all.
Post by: Username on December 01, 2023, 06:31:45 AM
Me too. And email. I ignore it all.I do wonder how she got my phone number. I wish there was some way to trace it back to whoever sold it. Yeah, I just blocked the number they're coming from. I didn't want to "reply stop to stop" as that would just indicate to them that I'm live and I'd get even more spam.
Post by: Number7 on December 01, 2023, 06:31:46 AM
Your failure to ever make a cogent argument for your Huckleberry and instead only resorting to killing the messenger is truly a sign of a weak man.
Got your feelings hurted again, huh???
Poor thing.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 08:16:19 AM
I do wonder how she got my phone number. I wish there was some way to trace it back to whoever sold it. Yeah, I just blocked the number they're coming from. I didn't want to "reply stop to stop" as that would just indicate to them that I'm live and I'd get even more spam.
Most of the political texts are addressed to my husband by first name, presumably because they got the number from our cellular account, which is in his name, even though we have separate cell numbers. But all the ones from Donald Trump are addressed to me by my first name. That’s how I know he is actually stalking me for real. ;D
Post by: nddons on December 01, 2023, 11:38:20 AM
Most of the political texts are addressed to my husband by first name, presumably because they got the number from our cellular account, which is in his name, even though we have separate cell numbers. But all the ones from Donald Trump are addressed to me by my first name. That’s how I know he is actually stalking me for real. ;DMany years ago (early 2000s I think) I logged into a politician’s website for something (not a donation), and I intentionally typed my first name as StAn. You wouldn’t believe how that spelling spread faster across the country faster than Covid. I was getting emails from Congress critters across the country looking for $$$.
Post by: Rush on December 01, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
Many years ago (early 2000s I think) I logged into a politician’s website for something (not a donation), and I intentionally typed my first name as StAn. You wouldn’t believe how that spelling spread faster across the country faster than Covid. I was getting emails from Congress critters across the country looking for $$$.
The other day we got a letter addressed to my husband’s ex-wife. At our current address. He divorced her in like 1978 and has had nothing to do with her since and has moved like 8 times since then.
Post by: Number7 on December 01, 2023, 01:21:11 PM
The other day we got a letter addressed to my husband’s ex-wife. At our current address. He divorced her in like 1978 and has had nothing to do with her since and has moved like 8 times since then.
We've been getting political mail addressed to my wife's first husband who died 43 years ago and we have moved four times since.
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2023, 05:56:35 PM
Communications Director Erin Perrine Latest Departure in DeSantis’s Never Back Down Exit Wave
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Erin Perrine, communications director of the pro-DeSantis PAC Never Back Down, is one of the latest individuals to depart from the organization in recent days, as the DeSantis campaign fails to see momentum as the primaries draw closer.
Chris Jankowski, the chief executive of the super PAC, led the charge last month, standing as the first major departure from the organization, asserting that the “current environment it has become untenable for me to deliver on the shared goal and that goes well beyond a difference of strategic opinion.”
Kristin Davison stepped in to fill his position, but the interim CEO was fired just nine days into the job, signaling further chaos within the group.
Shortly after, former Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt resigned as chair of Never Back Down, after joining the PAC in April.
“After nearly 26 straight months of being in a full-scale campaign, I need to return my time and attention to my family and law practice,” he wrote in his explanation.
There were even more departures over the weekend, including communications director Erin Perrine and director of operations Matt Palmisano, according to the Associated Press, which spoke to two individuals familiar with the matter. The outlet cited those close to the situation, who believe the wave of exits “is seen as an aggressive step by DeSantis’ loyalists to reassert control over Never Back Down.”
DeSantis ally Scott Wagner is now serving as both interim CEO and board chairman after serving on the board. He made headlines in November after reportedly fighting with fellow board members while discussing budgeting and fellow presidential candidate Nikki Haley’s rise in the polls.
As Breitbart News reported:
“You have a stick up your ass, Scott,” Never Back Down chief Jeff Roe reportedly said to PAC board member Wagner.
“Why don’t you come over here and get it?” Wagner allegedly shot back, standing up, as two board members reportedly restrained him.
“The interaction was relayed to NBC News by a source who was in the room,” the outlet reported, noting that there has been fighting between the PAC and members of DeSantis’s inner circle as they exchange blame on DeSantis’s waning status in the polls.
The steady stream of departures from the pro-DeSantis super PAC comes as the DeSantis campaign looks to the newly created PAC Fight Right, which appears to be taking over DeSantis’s television ads. Never Back Down is reportedly sticking to door-knocking operations, as the governor’s presidential campaign fails to see any significant movement in DeSantis’s direction in the polls. However, DeSantis has been, in the past, tied to the hip of the PAC.
Per the AP:
DeSantis’ campaign has relied heavily on Never Back Down for basic campaign functions, though the two sides cannot directly coordinate under federal campaign finance rules. Of the 99 counties DeSantis visited in Iowa, he appeared in 92 of them at Never Back Down events, according to the group’s schedule.
All the while, the DeSantis campaign has come under scrutiny for one of his latest Iowa endorsements, winning over Bob Vander Plaats, a top evangelical leader in Iowa, who confirmed a report that his organization received a $95,000 payment the “DeSantis campaign, a super PAC linked to him and a nonprofit group” prior to his official endorsement of DeSantis, according to Reuters.
“Bob Vander Plaats, the former High School Accountant from Iowa, will do anything to win, something which he hasn’t done in many years,” former President Donald Trump said in a Truth Social statement, following the news.
“He’s more known for scamming Candidates than he is for Victory, but now he’s going around using Disinformation from the Champions of that Art, the Democrats. I don’t believe anything Bob Vander Plaats says. Anyone who would take $95,000, and then endorse a Candidate who is going nowhere, is not what Elections are all about!” he exclaimed.
All of this comes as DeSantis remains 29.7 points behind in Iowa, 38 points behind in New Hampshire, and 38.8 points behind in South Carolina, according to Monday’s RealClearPolitics (RCP) averages.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 04, 2023, 06:25:37 PM
Slogans aren’t cutting it in our present era of human history. People were made to engage with reality. When their intellect and will give them faulty pictures of reality, their emotions respond in a disordered way.
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2023, 06:31:14 PM
Never Back Down sounds like it’s as effective as Build Back Better.
Slogans aren’t cutting it in our present era of human history. People were made to engage with reality. When their intellect and will give them faulty pictures of reality, their emotions respond in a disordered way.
MAGA is the only slogan that is making it today.
Post by: nddons on December 04, 2023, 06:52:37 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/04/communications-director-erin-perrine-latest-departure-desantiss-never-back-down-exit-wave/The buying an endorsement is bullshit, and you know it. All candidates donated to his fundraiser. Nothing like more Trump lies.
Communications Director Erin Perrine Latest Departure in DeSantis’s Never Back Down Exit Wave
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 04, 2023, 07:00:39 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2023, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: nddons link= topic=7046.msg132680#msg132680 date=1701741157
The buying an endorsement is bullshit, and you know it. All candidates donated to his fundraiser. Nothing like more Trump lies.
I didn’t write the article.
Nothing in that article about Trump, but lots about how out of control the RDS campaign has become.
And all you can do is blame Trump for RDS’s inability to manage a campaign.
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2023, 08:32:48 PM
The buying an endorsement is bullshit, and you know it. All candidates donated to his fundraiser. Nothing like more Trump lies.
Other than an outsized obsession with never admitting you’re wrong, how EXACTLY is anything referenced in the article the fault of President Trump?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2023, 10:15:12 AM
https://rumble.com/v3zp83q-livestream-tuesday-124-800am-et-voice-of-rural-america-with-bkp.html
http://www.unite4freedom.com
Post by: Little Joe on December 06, 2023, 01:16:53 PM
Listen to the second hour of this video...The SECOND HOUR? That explains why Lucifer keeps saying I am so uninformed. I can't watch anything that isn't rated R or X for an hour.
https://rumble.com/v3zp83q-livestream-tuesday-124-800am-et-voice-of-rural-america-with-bkp.html
http://www.unite4freedom.com
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2023, 03:36:38 PM
The SECOND HOUR? That explains why Lucifer keeps saying I am so uninformed. I can't watch anything that isn't rated R or X for an hour.
Everybody's attention span is getting so short. Even I get annoyed at Lex Fridman and Jordan Peterson for their 3 hour videos.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2023, 07:27:05 PM
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2023, 05:50:48 AM
I gotta get off the internet.
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2023, 06:24:38 AM
Good Lord. I dreamed RFKJr came and spent the night at our house and then turned into Bill Maher and got embarrassed when I told everybody that he’s incapable of sustaining a long term relationship.
I gotta get off the internet.
Maybe back away from multiple nightcaps? ;)
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2023, 06:34:56 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 07, 2023, 08:11:59 AM
https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1732577034872737942?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1732577034872737942%7Ctwgr%5Edafd00e1072ed66df641f39066b98f560e1cee6b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frantingly.com%2F
That seals the deal against haley and desantis.
Bragging about getting corrupt pharma and banks on your side makes you the enemy of the people.
Of course people suffering Trump Derangment Syndrome will argue some shit the exact opposite.
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2023, 11:52:26 AM
Maybe back away from multiple nightcaps? ;)
I hadn’t thought of it but I am on Codeine. I had my tooth pulled yesterday and “bone graft” which turned out not so much bone graft but grafting a concoction of my own blood cells which they took 30 minutes and 4 different sites on my arms to get enough blood and that alone was worth the laughing gas they gave me not to mention all the yanking, wiggling and pulling of the actual tooth.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2023, 12:41:49 PM
I hadn’t thought of it but I am on Codeine. I had my tooth pulled yesterday and “bone graft” which turned out not so much bone graft but grafting a concoction of my own blood cells which they took 30 minutes and 4 different sites on my arms to get enough blood and that alone was worth the laughing gas they gave me not to mention all the yanking, wiggling and pulling of the actual tooth.I have a tooth that has to go bye bye. Dentist sent me to the endodontist thinking it needed a root canal, $400+ later, I was told I had a bad infection and that a root canal was not the answer, your Dentist need to pull it. Left with a prescription for heavy duty antibiotics. Haven't heard from the Dentist yet, guess I'll call next week.
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
I have a tooth that has to go bye bye. Dentist sent me to the endodontist thinking it needed a root canal, $400+ later, I was told I had a bad infection and that a root canal was not the answer, your Dentist need to pull it. Left with a prescription for heavy duty antibiotics. Haven't heard from the Dentist yet, guess I'll call next week.
That’s almost exactly what happened to me except the tooth was already an old root canal that had developed an infection under the root. I did a week of antibiotics and Dentist sent me to the endo to find out if she could dig out the old root canal, inspect the tooth for cracks and if none redo the root canal. She found a crack and thereby determined the tooth could not be saved. Put a temporary in and sent me back to the dentist. It’s now several weeks later because the dentist took off for his wife to have a baby.
After he pulled the tooth he said he cleared out the remaining infection, the bone looked in really good shape and now I need to wait 4 months minimum to put in the implant post. So I have a gap in my teeth and 3 stitches in the gum.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2023, 02:24:45 PM
That’s almost exactly what happened to me except the tooth was already an old root canal that had developed an infection under the root. I did a week of antibiotics and Dentist sent me to the endo to find out if she could dig out the old root canal, inspect the tooth for cracks and if none redo the root canal. She found a crack and thereby determined the tooth could not be saved. Put a temporary in and sent me back to the dentist. It’s now several weeks later because the dentist took off for his wife to have a baby.Mine is on the upper right in the back. I have no plan to replace it.
After he pulled the tooth he said he cleared out the remaining infection, the bone looked in really good shape and now I need to wait 4 months minimum to put in the implant post. So I have a gap in my teeth and 3 stitches in the gum.
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
Mine is on the upper right in the back. I have no plan to replace it.
Mine is the upper left, second from the back. Replacing it is going to be four or five thousand dollars but what the hell. Might as well give it to the dentist before Biden’s regime confiscates all our savings.
Post by: Lucifer on December 11, 2023, 09:24:11 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 11, 2023, 09:41:35 AM
It's about damn time. Trump has been lying about DeSantis since the speculation of RDS running against him started.
Post by: Lucifer on December 11, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
It's about damn time. Trump has been lying about DeSantis since the speculation of RDS running against him started.
So you didn't even watch the video. Got it.
Post by: Number7 on December 11, 2023, 10:35:02 AM
It's about damn time. Trump has been lying about DeSantis since the speculation of RDS running against him started.
I'm sure there must be therapy available for when the TDS is this bad.
Post by: Little Joe on December 11, 2023, 11:29:36 AM
So you didn't even watch the video. Got it.No. I rarely watch videos.
Nor do I often read links that have no description or summary to them.
And when someone cuts and pastes huge blocks of texts without personal comment, I usually read the first sentence or two then skip the rest.
Maybe that explains why I am so uninformed.
But the alternative would usually to be misinformed.
Post by: Little Joe on December 11, 2023, 11:30:37 AM
I'm sure there must be therapy available for when the TDS is this bad.Yeah. It is in the Kool Aid the Nobody-but-Trump crowd drinks.
Post by: Number7 on December 11, 2023, 11:37:36 AM
Yeah. It is in the Kool Aid the Nobody-but-Trump crowd drinks.
You really do suffer….
Post by: Lucifer on December 11, 2023, 12:44:37 PM
Maybe that explains why I am so uninformed.
Probably.
But the alternative would usually to be misinformed.
Information is power. But many are very content remaining in the low information zone.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2023, 12:50:28 PM
No. I rarely watch videos.
I highly recommend the Styx videos. Rumble is better than YouTube because YouTube censors and he always makes an exclusive on rumble talking about stuff the establishment doesn’t want you to hear. I’ve gotten to where I go to all his videos first thing in the morning to get the news. He is CONSISTENT, every single day, analyzing the breaking news, and since he’s 5 or 6 hours ahead of us it’s always up by the time I make my coffee.
You don’t have to agree with him. I don’t completely agree with his take on the Israel-Hamas war for example.
If “watch” is the issue, get ear pods and just listen. I hardly ever watch videos. Way, way too tedious.
Post by: nddons on December 12, 2023, 11:40:23 AM
So you didn't even watch the video. Got it.I watched it and watched the portion of the speech where Trump included in his speech the “I didn’t say this about me but he said this about me” claim. It wasn’t selective editing at all.
Who would say that at a speech if he didn’t want to show the audience how brave he was compared to soldiers? It was over the top to even suggest such a thing, even if it was said by someone else, and I’m stunned you guys don’t agree.
Post by: Lucifer on December 12, 2023, 01:38:49 PM
I watched it and watched the portion of the speech where Trump included in his speech the “I didn’t say this about me but he said this about me” claim. It wasn’t selective editing at all.
Who would say that at a speech if he didn’t want to show the audience how brave he was compared to soldiers? It was over the top to even suggest such a thing, even if it was said by someone else, and I’m stunned you guys don’t agree.
I haven’t made any claims agreeing or disagreeing. I’m watching politics unfold.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 13, 2023, 11:52:42 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 14, 2023, 04:44:41 AM
Post by: nddons on December 14, 2023, 08:39:43 AM
Vivek has said he would get rid of departments and people if elected here.So did Trump in 2016.
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2023, 09:37:08 AM
So did Trump in 2016.
I don’t recall that. I’ve got his written promises. He said he’d roll back regulations and he did.
Don’t have time to go find the document right now, real busy with work.
Post by: nddons on December 14, 2023, 10:03:13 AM
I don’t recall that. I’ve got his written promises. He said he’d roll back regulations and he did.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/here-are-the-federal-agencies-and-programs-trump-wants-to-eliminate/
Don’t have time to go find the document right now, real busy with work.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/324408-the-19-federal-agencies-trump-wants-to-eliminate/
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/here-are-the-federal-agencies-and-programs-trump-wants-to-eliminate/
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/324408-the-19-federal-agencies-trump-wants-to-eliminate/
So... I am getting the idea that you think President Trump should have had magical powers to bypass congress and their budget making responsibility and just wave his wand so that - POOF! - those things would have happened on their own?
Truly, you need to address your TDS.
It's getting weird.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2023, 10:18:11 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2023, 10:30:10 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/will-donald-trump-shut-down-federal-agencies/
So.....
Post by: elwood blues on December 14, 2023, 10:42:38 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
CBS, Washington Post, The Hill and their ilk also said that Trump would put brownish people in re-education camps.
...and he was going to 'end' democracy... but... you know... a link is PROOF!
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2023, 11:16:56 AM
So.....What do you mean; "So...."
Haven't you been paying attention?
Post by: jb1842 on December 14, 2023, 11:44:48 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2023, 01:16:03 PM
What do you mean; "So...."
Haven't you been paying attention?
I guess TDS has you out of sorts.
I'm wondering what your silly post had to do with anything real.
Post by: nddons on December 14, 2023, 01:24:10 PM
So... I am getting the idea that you think President Trump should have had magical powers to bypass congress and their budget making responsibility and just wave his wand so that - POOF! - those things would have happened on their own?Some agencies are created by Congress, and some by Executive order.
Truly, you need to address your TDS.
It's getting weird.
The question is did he even try to start the process to eliminate a single Executive branch agency, or was that just a promise to help him get elected?
This was started because Vivek made a similar shallow promise.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2023, 02:00:12 PM
I guess TDS has you out of sorts.What part of "If Trump turns out to be that guy then I will happily support him." Indicates TDS?
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I'm wondering what your silly post had to do with anything real.Again, you need to pay attention to more than the last post. The discussion was about whether or not Trump said he would eliminate departments, but didn't. But I understand that your strong point isn't your attention span.
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2023, 02:30:15 PM
Some agencies are created by Congress, and some by Executive order.
The question is did he even try to start the process to eliminate a single Executive branch agency, or was that just a promise to help him get elected?
This was started because Vivek made a similar shallow promise.
Congress has the power to defund agencies. Instead they keep rewarding them with bigger budgets.
Those fucks in the FBI are getting a building bigger than the pentagon, and zero effort to hold their senior management responsible for what they have done to the citizens or continue to do.
The TSA is totally unnecessary, have done zero to enhance air safety. The airlines should be responsible for screening, not the taxpayer.
Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, EPA, etc could all be eliminated and not missed.
Post by: nddons on December 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
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Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2023, 04:58:38 PM
Probably have something hide, like they polled 64% democrats and 8% republicans.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 14, 2023, 07:37:40 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2023, 07:45:47 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2023, 06:48:05 AM
Ron DeSantis' super PAC loses its top strategist in latest sign of turmoil
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The uneasy relationship between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ campaign and the key strategist at his deep-pocketed super PAC came to an end Saturday night.
“I cannot in good conscience stay affiliated with Never Back Down given the statements in the Washington Post today,” the strategist, Jeff Roe, said in a statement posted to X. “They are not true and an unwanted distraction at a critical time for Governor DeSantis.”
His decision was first reported by the Washington Post, which published an extensive story on the long-running tensions between DeSantis’ campaign team and the super PAC earlier in the day.
“Roe has delivered stunning victories in the past but this doesn’t seem to be his time,” DeSantis donor Dan Eberhart said. “Gov. DeSantis wants to head into the final stretch with his loyalists, not necessarily nationally known operatives with presidential campaign experience per se.”
The writing had been on the wall for some time as people close to DeSantis took more control of the super PAC in recent weeks and dismissed several of Roe’s lieutenants.
In the past month or so, Never Back Down has had three CEOs. Including Roe, four top officials have resigned and three others, according to the Washington Post, were fired.
The chaos has reflected frustration from the governor and his inner circle at DeSantis' inability to gain traction against Trump and beat back the rise of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley — with some pointing the finger at Roe and his team from his consulting firm, Axiom Strategies.
That disappointment led to the creation last month of a second super PAC, Fight Right, to handle advertising — particularly to attack Haley. Fight Right is run by three close DeSantis allies.
The clashes within Never Back Down spilled into public view last month when NBC News reported that Roe and longtime DeSantis confidant Scott Wagner got into a heated argument while nine board members and some senior staff were discussing budgeting.
Wagner is now chairman of Never Back Down.
Neither Never Back Down nor the DeSantis campaign immediately returned a request for comment.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 17, 2023, 10:59:04 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2023, 01:45:49 PM
The RDS cult will come along and try to tell us this was all Trump's fault, it wasn't. RDS screwed himself with one bad choice after the next.
https://theramparts.substack.com/p/dear-ron
Dear Ron,
It didn’t have to be this way…
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As Governor DeSantis, the political landscape seemed like a red carpet laid out just for you. Applauded for your strategic handling of COVID policies, you strolled into re-election with a stellar 19-point lead, becoming the GOP's rising star destined for the 2028 spotlight. But then, the political winds shifted. The establishment, ever the puppet master, and the anti-Trump crusaders whispered sweet promises of a presidential destiny into your ear. You, sly fox, initiated a shadow campaign disguised as an innocuous "book tour" generously sponsored by the anti-Trump Murdoch empire.
At this juncture, the polls painted a picture of promise – a solid 30% support, merely 10 points shy of the indomitable Trump. Seizing the opportunity, you embarked on a strategic global tour, first stop: Japan. However, this diplomatic venture exposed a chink in your political armor – an unmistakable lack of social grace. When confronted about your presidential aspirations, you responded with a bizarre dance of head-bobbing and an overly wide grin, accompanied by the cryptic utterance, "I'm not a candidate for President." Subtlety, clearly, was not on the agenda.
Undeterred, you ventured into the heart of the financial world – the City of London. However, the applause that usually echoed in your wake seemed to have muted to a polite golf clap. The poll numbers, once poised for a steady climb, began their precipitous descent. It appeared that the more exposure you gained, the less enamored the public became.
Amid this political theater, the Biden administration descended upon Trump's Mar-A-Lago in your home state. Strangely silent and unresponsive, you opted to throw a few jabs at Trump rather than standing up for your own backyard. The gambit was clear: Trump, embroiled in legal troubles, would become an unviable candidate, leaving you to scoop up his abandoned supporters. The whisper campaign echoed, "wait 'til he announces."
wait ‘til he announces
The anticipation was palpable, mostly due to the fact the everyone already knew what was coming and just wanted to get it over with. A strategic move had been made, choosing Elon Musk's Twitter, the contemporary agora of the digital age. Yet, even the best-laid plans can falter. The announcement was marred by technical glitches, delaying the revelation by a laborious 30 minutes. Finally, when the moment arrived, it did so in audio form, devoid of the visual spectacle anticipated in a traditional televised speech. You, Governor DeSantis, were left reading a prepared statement filled with generic platitudes, a lackluster initiation for what was supposed to be a campaign launch filled with fervor and energy. Frankly, it was a failure to launch, bordering on embarrassment. But in the unyielding world of politics, the show must go on.
The tag of an official presidential candidate should, in theory, be a panacea for ailing poll numbers. A surge in support, a rallying cry from the faithful – this is what one might expect. However, reality had other plans. Instead of witnessing a meteoric rise, your poll numbers continued their accelerated descent, leaving pundits scratching their heads and your campaign strategists scrambling for answers.
Nonetheless, your campaign coffers were far from empty. Behind you stood a cadre of wealthy donors, ready to finance your political endeavors, and the Never Back Down PAC, with a war chest stocked with millions, was geared up for battle. From a financial perspective, things seemed promising. Yet, as the saying goes, money can't buy everything.
The crux of the issue lay not in the lack of financial resources or an illustrious political résumé. No, the obstacle was more personal – you, Governor DeSantis, were your own stumbling block. The world of politics has always demanded a certain finesse in interpersonal relations, an ability to connect with the electorate on a personal level. Your Achilles' heel, it appeared, was a fundamental lack of social acumen. Whether it was a restaurant in New Hampshire or a bar in Iowa, every interaction with potential voters seemed to be fraught with difficulty.
Picture this: a voter approaches, extending an opportunity for genuine connection. You, however, respond with a mere "OK" and briskly move on. It became a recurring theme, an awkward dance between disinterest and overwrought attempts at authenticity. Yet, the saving grace, your online supporters argued, was your record of implementing impactful policies. The promise was that, in the grand scheme of things, your accomplishments would overshadow any awkwardness on the campaign trail.
Speaking of online supporters, typically, having a dedicated team ready to counteract any negative narrative is a boon for any campaign. However, the character of your online battalion proved to be a double-edged sword. Instead of engaging in battles against political rivals, they launched rapid attacks on potential voters. The term "Never Back Down" took on a whole new meaning as they relentlessly labeled Republican voters as "stupid" for even contemplating someone other than you.
What was particularly disconcerting was the anonymity that shrouded these attacks. Many of these online assailants, alleged to be your staffers, adopted a professional tone on their public accounts, advocating for their boss – you. However, once concealed behind cartoonish profiles, they transformed into vicious digital hounds, seeking to maul anyone daring to question your supremacy.
The damage, unfortunately, didn't end with verbal assaults. An alarming development emerged as your online supporters, allegedly in coordination with your campaign, crafted a meme campaign ad featuring Nazi imagery. The intent and target of this ad remained shrouded in mystery, but the implications were undeniable – a campaign caught in the crossfire of its own questionable tactics.
Yet, as the saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. While you might have maintained a grasp on the sentiments of the GOP base, your chosen advisors seemed to have lost touch. The belief that the base, or the MAGA movement, were nothing more than a congregation of Nazi-loving right-wing extremists became apparent in your campaign's misguided decision to release an ad with Nazi imagery. Yet, amidst this swirl of chaos, let's not lose sight of the main character in this political drama – you, Governor DeSantis.
With the first GOP debate looming on the horizon, optimism wavered but did not extinguish. As your poll numbers continued their downward trajectory and new contenders entered the fray, the debate was painted as a pivotal moment. The face-off was anticipated to be a stage where you could reclaim the spotlight, showcase your strengths, and present yourself as a worthy contender.
Yet, fate had a different script in mind. An unknown biotech businessman, Vivek Ramaswamy, emerged as a formidable player, gaining ground in the polls by articulating the desires of voters with unapologetic conviction. Vivek seemed to be running the kind of campaign that, perhaps, you should have considered. Your PAC, sensing a threat, urged you to be aggressive, and the debate memo found its way into the hands of the media.
the first debate
Debate night unfolded, a tableau set for redemption. But, alas, the anticipated grandeur eluded you. Despite standing center stage, bathed in the spotlight, you found yourself relegated to the periphery. Your answers, though undoubtedly prepared, lacked the spontaneity expected in a live debate. Vivek became the focal point, weathering attacks as if he were the undeniable frontrunner. Remaining off-camera, for the most part, became a mixed blessing, sparing the public from witnessing awkward facial contortions but also denying you the chance to seize the spotlight.
The lasting image of that night, etched in the digital memory, was a viral meme capturing a moment where you proclaimed, "I will not let you down!" followed by what could only be described as one of the most forced and off-putting smiles in recent political history. A cringe-worthy visual that ricocheted across the internet, becoming a symbol of a debate night gone awry.
A crucial moment arose during the debate, a chance to dispel doubts about your commitment to the MAGA movement. The moderator tossed a provocative question into the arena – who would support Donald Trump if he were convicted? Vivek's hand shot up, met with cheers from the crowd. You, caught in the moment, hesitated before raising your hand halfway – a tepid response from a leader expected to provide unequivocal support.
As the narrative shifts towards the pivotal state of Iowa, where the first electoral battleground awaits, it's essential to ponder the journey that brought you here. How did a closed-door meeting, filled with assurances of your inevitable rise to the GOP nominee, transform into a narrative of plummeting poll numbers and alienation from the GOP base?
The fundamental question arises – how did someone hailed for possessing impeccable political instincts and an uncanny knack for making the right decisions find themselves ensnared in a web of political missteps? Tackling Donald Trump, a political force reshaping the GOP, was always a Herculean task. His unique brand of politics, defying convention and tradition, demanded a nuanced approach. He had redefined the Republican Party into a working-class force, and it was within this altered landscape that you embarked on your campaign.
Iowa or bust
With the first debate behind you and Lady Luck seemingly preoccupied, it's essential to recognize that, until the votes are cast, the polls remain a mere snapshot in time. Historically, a win in an early primary state has served as a springboard to the nomination. Winning Iowa, the inaugural primary, could indeed be a feat of extraordinary proportions, providing the momentum needed to triumph in subsequent states like New Hampshire and South Carolina.
However, the catch with an "All or nothing in Iowa" strategy is the uniqueness of Iowa itself. Its electorate, particularly those participating in caucuses, deviates significantly from the broader national electorate. Older, whiter, and more evangelical, Iowa's voter demographics demand a tailored approach. In a bid to appeal to this unique subset, your campaign adopted far-right positions on cultural issues, championing a 6-week abortion ban. While this stance might energize the religious right in Iowa, it risks alienating the broader national audience.
The abortion issue, intended as a strategic move to win over Iowa, unexpectedly became a liability. The gamble to court a specific demographic backfired, attracting criticism for veering towards authoritarianism and encroaching on individual freedoms. Such a policy, though potentially palatable in Iowa, faced outright rejection in other states like New Hampshire and across the nation.
Your quest to secure a respectable position in Iowa or potentially clinch victory necessitates consolidating the segment of the GOP that harbors reservations about Trump (around 15-20%) and persuading some Trump supporters to rally behind you. Striking this balance proves to be a delicate dance; appealing to Trump supporters might risk alienating anti-Trump voters. Unfortunately, your approach seemed to exacerbate the issue. Instead of critiquing Trump himself, you audaciously targeted his voters, labeling them as "listless vessels" on a national stage. A bold move, indeed – though one might argue, more foolish than strategic.
The overarching challenge has been the erosion of trust with the Trump voter. No longer seen as a savior but rather as a pawn of the establishment, your campaign is perceived as a weapon wielded against their beloved Donald Trump. While your motivations may stem from a genuine love for the country and a desire to restore it to its former glory, the Trump voter fails to see it that way. The alliance with "Never-Trump" figures and the backing of numerous billionaires, figures despised by the GOP base, further deepened the chasm. While an opportunity existed to rebuild trust, your decision to attack the voters directly became a counterproductive move.
neocon nikki on the rise
Amidst the turbulent currents of your campaign, a glimmer of hope surfaced on the horizon. The formidable businessman, Vivek Ramaswamy, who had captured the GOP's attention, began to witness a decline in his initial popularity. He stood as a significant threat, second only to Trump, in the race for the nomination. Yet, this optimism was fleeting, swiftly replaced by a new contender - the former South Carolina Governor and UN ambassador, Nikki Haley.
In stark contrast to the evolving face of the Republican Party, Nikki Haley represented a familiar strain, an old guard Republican, often labeled as a neoconservative. Her political ideology seemed rooted in the interests of corporations rather than the needs of the people. This posed a considerable challenge to your candidacy, as the anti-Trump faction within the GOP was expected to rally behind you exclusively. The emergence of a competitor threatened to split this crucial voter base, potentially jeopardizing any path to victory. There was a glimmer of hope that Nikki might follow a trajectory similar to Vivek – a brief surge followed by a decline.
Unfortunately, the anticipated brevity of the "Haley bump" did not materialize. Instead, it gained momentum and displayed remarkable staying power. In national polling, Nikki Haley found herself in a dead heat with you, and she not only overtook you in New Hampshire and South Carolina but did so with a sense of palpable momentum. Adding salt to the wound, your pool of billionaire backers, once seen as an unwavering source of financial support, began to shift allegiance, throwing their weight behind Haley.
Once positioned by the establishment as the formidable force with the potential to defeat Trump, you found yourself eclipsed by a new vessel – Nikki Haley. The dynamics of the political landscape were shifting, and the very establishment that once championed you had redirected its gaze toward this fresh contender. The winds of change, it seemed, were blowing against your sails, steering the narrative away from the envisioned triumph and towards an uncertain future.
On a positive note, Nikki Haley seems to have earned a distinct unpopularity within the GOP base, a sentiment that works in your favor. When voters are probed about their second choices, you lead her by a considerable margin. In scenarios where Donald Trump isn't a viable option, you emerge as the clear favorite. However, these scenarios rest on the hypothetical, and the looming presence of Trump, displaying no inclination to exit the race, complicates matters. Nikki Haley, in this context, becomes a significant hurdle for your campaign.
As the subsequent debates unfolded, they failed to inject vitality into your campaign. The lackluster affairs did little to distinguish you, lacking those memorable moments that could have elevated your standing. If anything, the enduring memories from these encounters tended to be the awkward facial expressions and demeanor that characterized your presence on the debate stage. However, there was a new twist in the tale, a rumor that took root and added an unexpected dimension to the narrative – the infamous #Bootgate.
#bootgate
The saga began innocuously enough with a TikTok video that gained traction, showcasing your boots folding in a manner inconsistent with conventional footwear. The hashtag, undoubtedly fueled by Trump surrogates, swiftly gained momentum, thrusting the political sphere into a whirlwind of speculation. The decision to consistently sport cowboy boots, an odd choice for someone not hailing from Texas but rather a Florida native, became a focal point of contention. In a world where political optics matter, #Bootgate took center stage.
The storm reached its zenith during an appearance on the Patrick Bet-David podcast, where the host confronted you about the viral videos alleging the use of height-enhancing boots. The video evidence presented clearly showed a misalignment of your feet within the boots. You adopted an air of surprise and disbelief at the accusation, vehemently asserting your height to be 5'11" and claiming to wear only off-the-rack boots with no customizations or inserts. However, public skepticism only intensified in the face of your declarations. It wasn't just an issue of potential embellishments about your height; now, there were allegations of lying about the lies.
The controversy deepened when Politico delved into the matter, conducting an expose and consulting three experts on the subject. Their unanimous conclusion painted a different picture – lifts were indeed present. The question of whether you wore lifts in your boots transcended the realm of social media gossip, becoming a serious inquiry with political implications. In a world where perception can dictate political fortunes, the #Bootgate controversy threatened to leave an indelible mark on your campaign, adding a layer of complexity that was certainly not part of the original strategy.
desantis vs newsom
Navigating the treacherous waters of a faltering campaign demands ingenuity and, at times, unconventional strategies to rekindle the flame. In the current narrative of your presidential bid, unconventional means have not favored you thus far. However, desperate times often call for desperate measures.
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2023, 01:46:11 PM
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When the notion of a DeSantis vs. Newsom debate first surfaced, you initially rejected the idea. This was in the early stages, before the tumultuous challenges of your campaign fully unfolded. The question lingered – why would a presidential candidate engage in a debate with someone not vying for the same office? Well, Ron, desperate times necessitated desperate actions. Despite your initial reluctance, it became apparent that traditional approaches were failing to reverse the trend of waning support. The crowded GOP debates offered limited opportunities for you to truly shine.
As circumstances evolved, the prospect of a one-on-one debate with the governor of California, Gavin Newsom, emerged as a potential game-changer. With Sean Hannity moderating, a presumed ally in your corner, the stage was set for a showdown. A comparison between Florida and California seemed to work in your favor, with Florida claiming the top spot as people fled California to escape rising crime, homelessness, and, as you poignantly highlighted, the prevalence of unsanitary conditions in the streets.
In this head-to-head, Newsom possessed a certain charm and a seemingly effortless ability to spin untruths. Throughout the debate, he artfully denied basic facts about his state, all the while maintaining a smile and an air of compassion – a skill set you, as yet, have not fully mastered.
The debate, however, came and went without leaving a lasting imprint. While your comedic relief, brandishing a poop map of San Francisco, injected a moment of levity, it also opened the door for detractors to paint you in a less favorable light. In the midst of discussing a serious issue like mental health, your pivot to the topic of feces detracted from the gravity of the conversation. Unfortunately, the debate did not serve the intended purpose, and the hoped-for memorable moments failed to materialize. The quest for a campaign revival through unconventional means encountered yet another hurdle, leaving you at a crossroads in this intricate political journey.
the end approaches
Well, Ron, as we stand on the precipice of the Iowa caucuses, the outlook appears rather grim. Barring an unforeseen miracle, Donald Trump seems poised to clinch victory in Iowa, and the margin won't be a close call. It's a pivotal moment, and you've invested heavily in Iowa – a state that, if not won, could potentially signal the end of the road for your presidential aspirations.
The numbers tell a sobering tale. Currently seated in 5th place in New Hampshire and 3rd in South Carolina, even in your home state of Florida, the political landscape seems overwhelmingly against you, with a daunting 40-point deficit. The stark reality of these statistics paints a picture of a campaign struggling to gain traction and facing an uphill battle in key battlegrounds.
The true tragedy of this unfolding narrative lies in the realization that it didn't have to unfold this way. The alternative path, accepting the VP position, could have positioned you favorably for a presidential bid in 2028. Whether it was a case of hubris or perhaps influenced by your wife's ambition, the gamble of taking on Donald Trump now threatens to cast a long shadow over your political career.
The adage holds true – when you're at the top, the only way forward is down. Ron, you once occupied a prominent position, lauded for your strategic handling of COVID policies and hailed as a rising star within the GOP. However, the decision to challenge the formidable force of Trump might have set in motion a series of events that could reshape the trajectory of your political future. The stakes are high, and the road ahead seems fraught with challenges, prompting reflection on whether the pursuit of the presidency was worth the potential toll on a once-ascendant political career.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 19, 2023, 04:19:43 PM
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SCOTUS here we come.
Post by: Number7 on December 19, 2023, 04:35:27 PM
Democrats are fucking idiots.
Post by: Number7 on December 19, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
Post by: Little Joe on December 19, 2023, 04:51:25 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2023, 05:07:58 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2023, 05:15:26 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2023, 06:22:34 PM
Legal jujitsu at it's best. ::) Are any of those justices actually lawyers?
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 12:29:11 AM
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2023, 04:19:17 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 05:10:51 AM
They are desperate.Bad things are born from desperation.
Also stupid things.
This one is stupid.
The scariest thing about this is how partisan the court is, not that that is anything new, but it is still scary. And I think it will backfire.
This decision is just as dumb as the USSC's decision on Roe-v-Wade, even if I do agree with that decision, it is politically self destructive.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 20, 2023, 05:54:31 AM
scenario 2 - President Trump gets back on the ballot - the democrats will be screaming that the far-right courts allowed him back on the ballot - the democrats will be screaming that it's another reason why the democrats have to get/stay in power so that they can pack the courts with idiots that don't understand constituional law - a win (of sorts) for the democrats.
It's almost a no-lose thing for the democrats.
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 06:08:27 AM
scenario 1 - President Trump doesn't get back on the ballot - a win (of sorts) for the democratsScenario 3 - They piss off many Americans (like me) that may not have supported Trump. And those voters (like me) may swing to Trump to try to help stop the madness that is the liberal mind.
scenario 2 - President Trump gets back on the ballot - the democrats will be screaming that the far-right courts allowed him back on the ballot - the democrats will be screaming that it's another reason why the democrats have to get/stay in power so that they can pack the courts with idiots that don't understand constituional law - a win (of sorts) for the democrats.
It's almost a no-lose thing for the democrats.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2023, 06:14:48 AM
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2023, 06:18:51 AM
Bad things are born from desperation.
Also stupid things.
This one is stupid.
The scariest thing about this is how partisan the court is, not that that is anything new, but it is still scary. And I think it will backfire.
This decision is just as dumb as the USSC's decision on Roe-v-Wade, even if I do agree with that decision, it is politically self destructive.
Exactly! If Republicans and conservatives have a fault, it is sticking to principles too tenaciously over strategy and pragmatism. What good is the moral high ground if you burn the whole house down around you?
You have to project the end result and balance what is best in the long run and means saving the most lives. With the Biden administration we risk nuclear conflict. Even if it doesn’t come to that, we risk economic devastation not only nationally from inflation, but - here is what few people understand - supply chain disruption leading to catastrophic shortages.
Few people understand the consequences of global trade and the predicament we’ve gotten ourselves into. Seduced by low prices, we have become totally dependent on foreign made shit, and what keeps the foreign made shit flowing in? The United States Navy. It’s the U.S. that protects commercial vessels all over the planet.
As a consequence of what’s happening in the Mideast, a serious piracy problem is emerging. Trade routes are being compromised. This is a DIRECT result of the Biden administration. Not only because several wars have broken out under him, he is weakening our entire military and our enemies have all been emboldened: state entities, terrorist organizations, and general outlaw pirates.
We have already experienced shortages of OTC medications and the (relatively minor) consequences. All it would take would be severe shortages of antibiotics to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths, or shortages of chips, 90% of which are made in Taiwan, to disable virtually everything, because we have stupidly put electronic circuitry in all our shit from appliances to cars to medical equipment.
There is a lot of debate over whether RvW is enough of an issue to cause the Republican to lose in 2024, no matter who the nominee is. This is my problem with the SC’s ruling. RvW was unconstitutional and in theory the court is only supposed to consider law but let’s get real. The SC has always considered contextual factors in their rulings and even in their choices of which cases to even take up. We need look no further than their rejecting Texas et Al because “there would be riots”.
RvW was an uneasy truce but a truce nonetheless that kept the pro-choice issue at bay among the critical independent voters who are the ones who actually decide elections. At this point in history the very survival of the U.S. as a free nation is at stake. We are rapidly sliding into an irreversible oligarchic tyranny, AND rapidly losing our position as the dominant power on earth.
Without the U.S. as the dominant power, it’s going to become a free for all, as other powers vie for top position. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran (through terrorist proxy) are all flexing their muscle and rattling swords since the U.S. signaled diplomatic suicide by electing Joe Biden.
We desperately need a Trump win in 2024 to try to stave off this slide off the cliff. We can start counting dead bodies due to Biden: Russian and Ukrainian soldiers and civilians, Israeli and Palestinian fighters and civilians, to start. Another Democrat administration is very likely to get us sucked into direct conflict on multiple fronts and we can start adding American lives lost. Then, a world war disrupting global trade routes will result in millions of deaths before it’s all settled.
Rather than throwing a grenade into our already divided population, the SC could have approached it differently. They could have taken up a First Amendment case and ruled that pro-life activists CANNOT be prevented from protesting in front of abortion clinics. If you want to convince a woman not to kill her baby, education works a lot better than forcibly making her carry the baby. And yes, sending it back to the states is resulting in “forced” pregnancy as poor women can’t afford to travel out of state for abortions. And yes they shouldn’t have had sex in the first place, now you’re back to moralizing without considering pragmatism.
Here’s a thought: Instead of teaching school kids they can choose their gender and how to have anal sex, let’s teach them embryology and how you’re a human from conception and exactly what abortion is actually doing to the new little life.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 06:45:54 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2023, 06:58:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 07:21:43 AM
Just yesterday they tried to sneak Hunter into the WH on the chopper. Didn't list him on the flight log. Peter Doocey happened to see him getting off the chopper though.
Yep. Story is now dead. MSM consumed with "Trump kicked off ballot" story 24/7.
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2023, 07:30:07 AM
Yep. Story is now dead. MSM consumed with "Trump kicked off ballot" story 24/7.
That might backfire just like all the other efforts to stop him from running. Can you imagine all the write in votes?
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 07:31:53 AM
That might backfire just like all the other efforts to stop him from running. Can you imagine all the write in votes?
I can imagine SoS's and state judges reinterpreting state election laws to not allow write in votes, while state legislatures do nothing.
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 07:32:58 AM
Just yesterday they tried to sneak Hunter into the WH on the chopper. Didn't list him on the flight log. Peter Doocey happened to see him getting off the chopper though.Not that I believe anything karine jean pissant says, but she said it is normal that the President's family rides with the President without being listed. I don't believe it, but I don't know how to verify whether that is true.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 20, 2023, 08:02:58 AM
I can imagine SoS's and state judges reinterpreting state election laws to not allow write in votes, while state legislatures do nothing.Already in place. The ruling states that write-in votes for President Trump will not be counted.
Post by: Rush on December 20, 2023, 08:09:06 AM
Already in place. The ruling states that write-in votes for President Trump will not be counted.
If he loses solely because of that, I’m ready to go to war.
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 08:22:39 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 08:26:46 AM
Vivek came right out and said if Trump is not allowed on the ballot he will withdraw from that primary and has challenged DeSantis, Haley and Christie to pledge the same.I read that too fast and thought he said he would withdraw from the campaign. Not just the Colorado primary.
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 09:23:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 11:27:47 AM
The Colorado SC is probably working a back channel with the Biden Regime. The reason for their off the wall opinion may be based in that they have prior knowledge the USSC may not want to hear the appeal. If that is true, then this opens up other states to follow suit, and basically establish a one party election.
Presidential elections are governed by state legislatures. There is nothing in the constitution that gives citizens the right to vote for president, it leaves this up to the states. In essence, the President election is 50 mini elections to select electors to go to the Electoral College and cast a ballot. For all practical purposes, the state can simply select electors on a legislature vote and exclude the citizens all together, depending upon how their election laws are written.
If the USSC does hear the appeal, it will certainly be overturned. If that happens, the democrat communist will have to go to another plan. We have loaded our country with terrorist sleeper cells thanks to the regime, and getting to the elections a wave of terrorism starts, and polling places will be deemed unsafe, so yet another push for mail in ballots.
The desperation is ratcheting up, and the democrat communist are determined to remain in power at any cost. We are in very dangerous times.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 20, 2023, 11:43:33 AM
We have loaded our country with terrorist sleeper cells thanks to the regime.If you say it often enough it must be true.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 11:50:43 AM
If you say it often enough it must be true.
So prove me wrong.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 12:07:31 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 12:11:23 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 20, 2023, 12:29:27 PM
So prove me wrong.A race of lizard people live underground on Mars. Prove me wrong.
Post by: Number7 on December 20, 2023, 01:09:36 PM
If you say it often enough it must be true.
If you babble bullshit often enough YOU will believe it.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 20, 2023, 01:18:30 PM
If you babble bullshit often enough YOU will believe it.Unlike Lucifer I learned at a young age the fallacy he constantly employs:
https://www.logicalfallacies.org/burden-of-proof.html (https://www.logicalfallacies.org/burden-of-proof.html)
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 03:08:09 PM
Unlike Lucifer I learned at a young age the fallacy he constantly employs:
https://www.logicalfallacies.org/burden-of-proof.html (https://www.logicalfallacies.org/burden-of-proof.html)
And I learned the many fallacies you employ, starting with your faux intellect.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 03:35:44 PM
How Ron DeSantis’ $100 Million ‘Death Star’ Collapsed
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Long before Ron DeSantis ’ presidential ambitions began to falter, it was clear to anyone paying close attention that there were fatal flaws in his much-hyped political operation.
“I had to have it explained to me the first time DeSantis came here for a parade,” an early DeSantis supporter in New Hampshire recalled to The Daily Beast. “I was gonna show up for the parade and I was informed, ‘This is a Never Back Down event, so you can’t mention anything about the campaign.’ And I was like, what the hell is this?”
This, the New Hampshire presidential campaign veteran would come to learn, was how the DeSantis campaign thought they’d cracked the code to beat former President Donald Trump .
Never Back Down was launched as a super PAC—loaded up with $80 million transferred from DeSantis’ state-level PAC in Florida—designed to carry him to the presidency through sheer force. The prospect of a talent-stocked PAC spending historic sums on organizing and campaign messaging was initially so fearsome that some Republicans dubbed Never Back Down the “ Death Star .”
As the New Hampshire source’s befuddlement at the parade showed, however, Never Back Down’s ambitious vision was destined to collide with the strict federal rules barring campaigns and super PACs from cooperating on strategy or even communicating at all.
But few in Republican politics expected just how spectacularly this vaunted Death Star would ultimately implode.
“This will go down as maybe the worst-orchestrated effort in modern presidential history,” said a person familiar with Never Back Down’s operations.
After months spent out of sync with the campaign, a number of officials with Never Back Down have either resigned or been fired; top PAC strategists have cursed at each other and nearly come to blows in private meetings; and a new breakaway PAC has formed.
Most troubling of all, DeSantis might be sliding backward in his quest for the presidency despite the staggering sum of nearly $100 million that his PAC has spent to support him.
With DeSantis struggling to maintain even second place as the Iowa and New Hampshire contests near, the governor’s sympathizers are fully considering the consequences of his team’s big bet that they could outsource a huge primary victory to a super PAC.
“It is gonna cost us the election,” the DeSantis supporter, who later switched allegiance to a rival non-Trump campaign, recalled thinking to themselves several months ago, now describing the decision to outsource so many critical functions to Never Back Down as “a huge, huge mistake, and we could not afford one on this.”
“We’ll never win another election if we don’t stop PACs trying to become the campaign,” the former DeSantis supporter said.
Naturally, there has been plenty of blame to go around. After a Washington Post story dissecting the drama was published on Saturday, Jeff Roe—the power strategist who was supposed to orchestrate DeSantis’ victory—resigned from Never Back Down. He cited the organization's statements to the Post , which he saw as disparaging toward his firm’s operatives who got fired from the PAC.
For Roe—who still had nothing but positive words for DeSantis in his resignation statement—it was seemingly the last straw.
“When they fired my guys,” Roe told The Daily Beast on Tuesday, “that was tough.” (Roe would not elaborate further on the record regarding his departure.)
This summer, Roe’s firm, Axiom Strategies, along with its subsidies, was reported to have hauled in half the money spent by the PAC—more than $18 million in just the first few months of the campaign, according to The New York Times .
This month, The Daily Beast reported that the proportion had grown, with two of every three dollars that the PAC reported spending going through those firms—more than $41 million in all, a figure that includes money the companies then spent on ad buys.
While DeSantis’ enemies in Trumpworld egged on the idea that Roe was simply taking Never Back Down for a ride in order to secure a massive payday, rumors swirled that the governor and his wife, Casey, were increasingly frustrated.
According to an NBC News story published in November, a fistfight nearly broke out at a Never Back Down meeting between Roe and the PAC’s CEO, Scott Wagner. (“You have a stick up your ass, Scott,” Roe reportedly told Wagner. “Why don’t you come over here and get it?” Wagner responded.)
After that blowup, three DeSantis loyalists formed a new super PAC, but according to The Washington Post , even those close to the DeSantis campaign aren’t clear on what will come of the new knock-off version of the original PAC.
“Anybody who knew the personalities of the principals could see conflict coming from a mile away. There’s no scenario in which this was gonna be seamless,” said the person familiar with the PAC’s operation, who requested anonymity to speak freely about it.
“I have not talked to anybody who’s been surprised that it’s gotten bad between Axiom and DeSantisworld,” they added. “Did anybody think it was gonna be this bad, this quick? No.”
A spokesperson for the PAC did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson for DeSantis referred The Daily Beast to a statement it gave to the Post , saying they “appreciate the independent efforts of our outside partners at NBD as they are building a historic ground game for the fight ahead.”
Yet even as dysfunctional as Never Back Down proved itself to be, other Republicans who spoke to The Daily Beast for this story pointed to DeSantis as a fundamentally flawed candidate, one who even the most well-funded operation could have only taken so far.
Instead of charting a new course for campaign strategy, Never Back Down may end up as a case study in how to not run a presidential bid.
“They wanted to have control of people who said yes and didn’t argue,” the early DeSantis supporter in New Hampshire said. “You had a lot of arrogance in that group.”
Unquestionably, they also had a historic amount of money.
From the beginning of the year through the end of June, the PAC spent $96.8 million, according to the group’s most recently available financial disclosures. After burning through some $34 million in the first months of the campaign —including $5.5 million on private jet travel—according to The New York Times, then-CEO Chris Jankowski had to release a memo in August attempting to calm donors worried about overspending.
But problems had already sprouted up on multiple fronts. Donors had begun souring on DeSantis . The first round of layoffs hit the campaign on July 25—accounting for a third of the initial headcount—putting even more pressure on Never Back Down to carry the load.
Tim Miller, a former spokesperson for Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign, told The Daily Beast he sees parallels between DeSantis’ PAC playbook and the one that failed his former boss. GOP donors funneled over $110 million into Bush’s Right to Rise PAC at the start of the 2016 primary, only for him to get pummeled by Trump.
Though DeSantis is a flawed candidate, Miller said, Roe’s mistake with the PAC was doubling down on a “hybrid Jeb-Ted [Cruz] strategy eight years later,” and then “after it was clear the strategy was failing, they went out again to ask for more money.”
Miller, who operated under a similar setup on the Bush campaign with an outside group led by another Roe-type figure in Mike Murphy, said the logistical challenges between the two DeSantis entities were inevitable.
“I think there was a fundamental structural problem with having a strategist at a super PAC—who can’t legally talk to the candidate—having so much control,” Miller said, “and having that strategist not be a close personal aide who has a close relationship with the candidate.”
Murphy and Bush, Miller argued, at least had a strong enough rapport beforehand to more or less know how the other would want to handle certain situations on messaging. However, “even despite the fact that Murphy and Jeb went way back, there were problems,” Miller said.
“There were times where we wished that Murphy was doing something different,” Miller said. “And it was hard to signal.”
A now- infamous memo where Roe tried to do just that—an attempt to hide a hoped-for strategic shift in plain sight—marked the beginning of the end for his tenure at the helm of the PAC.
In a private meeting with donors before the first debate in Milwaukee in August, Roe elaborated on the memo with an urgent plea: the PAC, which can raise unlimited funds, needed $50 million “in the next 60 days” to have a shot at beating Trump.
The memo, posted in an obscure corner of the Never Back Down website and first reported by the Times , became such a flashpoint that the Trump campaign began using it in a daily countdown email, dubbing it Roe’s “KISS OF DEATH,” marking each of those 60 days until the self-imposed deadline expired in late October.
It has since not gotten better for DeSantis, who is sliding behind Nikki Haley for the mantle of top Trump alternative in the primary. Now, Never Back Down staffers are mainly wondering where their next paycheck will come from.
Over the weekend at a country music concert in Las Vegas, one Never Back Down staffer had a confession for a Republican who is well-connected in Trump’s orbit.
According to the Trumpworld source, who requested anonymity to relay a private conversation, the DeSantis aide said they were bringing in $35,000 per month from Never Back Down. “If I got new business to offset that loss,” the DeSantis person said, “I would step off right now.”
The implication was clear. If there’s work to be had in Trump’s operation, the supposed DeSantis loyalist would be willing to jump ship.
Earlier in the year, Trump allies told The Daily Beast how they believed Roe—in bankrolling a DeSantis machine for the primary—“ brought a mercenary army to a holy war.”
The entreaty in Las Vegas seemed to confirm the broader suspicion. “They’re political mercenaries,” the Trumpworld operative said. “They’ll do anything for cash.”
But time is running out. Arguing that Trump will have sewn up the primary by Super Tuesday on March 5, the MAGA operative said, “these people are wondering if it makes sense to get off now and have an opportunity at a contract in the future, or ride it out until the very end to collect their $10,000 a month.”
At this point, all that seems certain is that the last paychecks will go out, and that the epitaphs for the hyped Trump-killing Death Star will be written.
“The flaw here,” said the source familiar with Never Back Down, “was ego.”
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 03:51:20 PM
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3271703855135-how-ron-desantis-100-million-death-star-collapsed
How Ron DeSantis’ $100 Million ‘Death Star’ Collapsed
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“The flaw here,” said the source familiar with Never Back Down, “was ego.”How is that any different than what drives Trump?
That said, I am beginning to believe that Trump may actually stand a chance in November. If that becomes the case, I will jump on his bandwagon with both feet.
My only hesitation has been my belief in whether he can actually win. If he runs and loses it will be worse for the country than if DeSantis or Haley gets the nomination and runs and loses. It would lead to further divisiveness and violence.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 20, 2023, 04:18:23 PM
If you say it often enough it must be true.
I find it interesting that you picked this one particular statement, “We have loaded our country with terrorist sleeper cells thanks to the regime,” from the many in Lucifer’s post you could have questioned.
I think it’s perfectly plausible that the flood of illegals into our country from all over the world contains terrorists, and is being allowed to happen. I can’t prove it, but it would be a natural result. Any group with designs on our country clearly can see we are in a weakened state. Our President is corrupt, weak and illegitimate. Our agencies are all compromised. The borders clearly are all but open, and even Democrats are waking up to the threat of 5,000 people a day (a figure I read from Texas officials earlier this week) entering the country and disappearing into it.
I expect we will see terrorist activity here within the next year.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2023, 04:57:18 PM
How is that any different than what drives Trump?
Reread the article. They are talking about the ego of the Super Pac Never Back Down, not the candidate.
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2023, 05:04:18 PM
Reread the article. They are talking about the ego of the Super Pac Never Back Down, not the candidate.Sorry. I couldn't get past the second paragraph where he said:
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"And I was like, what the hell is this?”WTF does "I was like" mean?
I just skimmed the rest and saw the last sentence.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 20, 2023, 09:51:33 PM
I find it interesting that you picked this one particular statement, “We have loaded our country with terrorist sleeper cells thanks to the regime,” from the many in Lucifer’s post you could have questioned.The rest of his post were claims that he qualified as his opinions or speculations. I did not have any major issue with those claims and if I did it would just be my alternate opinion. The one I picked was one that he has made before and phrased as an established fact rather than his speculation. It also lacks specifics allowing it to be tested for plausibility.
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I think it’s perfectly plausible that the flood of illegals into our country from all over the world contains terrorists, and is being allowed to happen. I can’t prove it, but it would be a natural result. Any group with designs on our country clearly can see we are in a weakened state. Our President is corrupt, weak and illegitimate. Our agencies are all compromised. The borders clearly are all but open, and even Democrats are waking up to the threat of 5,000 people a day (a figure I read from Texas officials earlier this week) entering the country and disappearing into it.I don't see a snuck-in army of terrorists as probable. The other issues are, in no particular order:
I expect we will see terrorist activity here within the next year.
(1) The claim doesn't specify the "evil planner" behind the army of terrorists - probably by design. It lets the audience fill it in with their own personal feared agent of terror.
(2) As far as I can tell, every terrorist who has killed anyone in the US were legal visitors, green card holders, or native born. Can't think of any but common criminals among those who cross illegally.
(3) Keeping thousands of terrorists a secret while trying to sneak them into the country without any spilling the beans is low probability. Terrorists are molded by lengthy indoctrination, not born. Anyone not fully indoctrinated will likely be lost to the cause and meld into the population once loose of their masters. They might even tip off authorities if they thought it in their better interest.
(4) I had one other point that I forgot while composing the previous ones. Dang.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2023, 05:12:25 AM
Why does there seem to be such a large percentage of young males versus females crossing the border? What are we going to do with them? Where are the going to be employed? Under Cloward/Piven, they would never be employed, they would be added to the Government role of grifters in hopes of collapsing our economy.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2023, 05:13:42 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 21, 2023, 06:26:26 AM
Jim, you like to research and counter everyone's arguments but I never hear you offer up. Jim's if I were President what would I do, solutions.
Egalitarians never do.
Post by: Lucifer on December 21, 2023, 07:24:32 AM
The rest of his post were claims that he qualified as his opinions or speculations. I did not have any major issue with those claims and if I did it would just be my alternate opinion. The one I picked was one that he has made before and phrased as an established fact rather than his speculation. It also lacks specifics allowing it to be tested for plausibility.I don't see a snuck-in army of terrorists as probable. The other issues are, in no particular order:
(1) The claim doesn't specify the "evil planner" behind the army of terrorists - probably by design. It lets the audience fill it in with their own personal feared agent of terror.
(2) As far as I can tell, every terrorist who has killed anyone in the US were legal visitors, green card holders, or native born. Can't think of any but common criminals among those who cross illegally.
(3) Keeping thousands of terrorists a secret while trying to sneak them into the country without any spilling the beans is low probability. Terrorists are molded by lengthy indoctrination, not born. Anyone not fully indoctrinated will likely be lost to the cause and meld into the population once loose of their masters. They might even tip off authorities if they thought it in their better interest.
(4) I had one other point that I forgot while composing the previous ones. Dang.
These are the ones apprehended. How many got away? We have no idea, but let's say for everyone caught, another got in. So that means 736 terrorist are now inside our border. On 9/11 it only took 20 to bring this country to it's knees.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/736-known-or-suspected-terrorists-apprehended-at-us-border-in-fiscal-2023/ar-AA1iHibd
https://www.newsweek.com/record-number-suspected-terrorists-crossed-us-mexico-border-opinion-1754869
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/number-people-terror-watchlist-stopped-mexico-us-border-risen-rcna105095
House Judiciary must be imagining this as well. https://judiciary.house.gov/committee-activity/hearings/terrorist-entry-through-southwest-border
https://homeland.house.gov/2023/05/19/chairmen-green-comer-jordan-investigate-biden-admins-handling-of-suspected-terrorists-crossing-u-s-mexico-border/
https://oversight.house.gov/release/chairs-comer-jordan-green-demand-information-from-dhs-on-risk-posed-by-aliens-with-terrorist-ties-crossing-the-border/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/final-warning-lawmakers-tell-biden-to-secure-us-border-before-terror-attack-at-home/ar-AA1i1Vm1
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/feds-warn-hamas-terrorists-may-enter-us-through-southern-border-report-says/
https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/10/25/how-many-hamas-hezbollah-terrorists-have-crossed-southern-border/
https://nypost.com/2023/02/07/terrorists-could-be-among-1-2-million-million-us-border-gotaways/
https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorist-entry-through-southwest-border
Post by: Number7 on December 21, 2023, 07:53:56 AM
Lucifer had absolutely no proof of anything.... said the leftist as he adjusted his blinders.
Post by: Rush on December 21, 2023, 08:30:49 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 21, 2023, 09:29:33 AM
Post by: Username on December 22, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
A race of lizard people live underground on Mars. Prove me wrong.That can't possibly be true as everyone knows that the Lizard People live in Washington DC.
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2023, 07:58:39 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 31, 2023, 08:38:26 AM
A race of lizard people live underground on Mars. Prove me wrong.
Posting something that stupid, trying to make people think you’re smart is just stupid.
Typical but stupid.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on December 31, 2023, 05:23:23 PM
It takes very few terrorists to kill thousands. We don’t need to argue how many are here. There is zero chance that there are less than a half dozen. And that’s all it takes.There are many many obvious opportunities in this country for terrorist attacks. Even at airports. Yet they just don’t happen with noticeable frequency. I suspect that is because people just really aren’t that motivated.
9/11 was sort of a one off with a quite rare confluence of factors. I doubt it will ever happen again. And they essentially won by causing us to give up so much of our freedoms in response.
There is of course always a non-zero probability. But much more important problems to worry about. Like the true enemies of citizen’s rights - our Federal government and politicians.
Post by: Rush on December 31, 2023, 06:29:03 PM
There are many many obvious opportunities in this country for terrorist attacks. Even at airports. Yet they just don’t happen with noticeable frequency. I suspect that is because people just really aren’t that motivated.
9/11 was sort of a one off with a quite rare confluence of factors. I doubt it will ever happen again. And they essentially won by causing us to give up so much of our freedoms in response.
There is of course always a non-zero probability. But much more important problems to worry about. Like the true enemies of citizen’s rights - our Federal government and politicians.
Well you make a good point. Our own government is a far bigger threat to our freedom right now than a bunch of Muslim fundamentalists.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 31, 2023, 06:31:40 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2024, 07:47:17 AM
Posting something that stupid, trying to make people think you’re smart is just stupid.
Typical but stupid.
I saw them on Johhny Quest. It must be true.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 01, 2024, 10:22:36 AM
Well you make a good point. Our own government is a far bigger threat to our freedom right now than a bunch of Muslim fundamentalists.
And they wouldn't have gotten away with attacks like they did on 9/11 if our government hadn't disarmed everyone on commercial airliners. That happened in 1963 with no discussion so far as I can tell of the 2A implications nor the downsides of having a captive disarmed group.
Subsequently hijackings peaked in 1969. Correlation does not imply causality, but one does have to wonder if hijackers, mostly political in those days, were emboldened by all the passengers being disarmed. I also note that while it is not good to be shooting off firearms on commercial aircraft, that the risks are likely preferable to everyone being flown to their deaths as a part of a flying bomb in a suicide attack.
Allowing passengers to exercise their 2A rights might also tend to reduce the disruptive passenger incidents we have seen a rise in. Wasn't it Heinlein who wrote "an armed society is a polite society".
These tradeoffs should like be an issue decided by the airlines, their insurance companies, and passengers in a market process. See http://realairlinesecurity.org.
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2024, 10:36:02 AM
And they wouldn't have gotten away with attacks like they did on 9/11 if our government hadn't disarmed everyone on commercial airliners. That happened in 1963 with no discussion so far as I can tell of the 2A implications nor the downsides of having a captive disarmed group.
Subsequently hijackings peaked in 1969. Correlation does not imply causality, but one does have to wonder if hijackers, mostly political in those days, were emboldened by all the passengers being disarmed. I also note that while it is not good to be shooting off firearms on commercial aircraft, that the risks are likely preferable to everyone being flown to their deaths as a part of a flying bomb in a suicide attack.
Allowing passengers to exercise their 2A rights might also tend to reduce the disruptive passenger incidents we have seen a rise in. Wasn't it Heinlein who wrote "an armed society is a polite society".
These tradeoffs should like be an issue decided by the airlines, their insurance companies, and passengers in a market process. See http://realairlinesecurity.org.
I agree with that completely.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 08, 2024, 06:36:39 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 08, 2024, 07:33:33 AM
And they wouldn't have gotten away with attacks like they did on 9/11 if our government hadn't disarmed everyone on commercial airliners. That happened in 1963 with no discussion so far as I can tell of the 2A implications nor the downsides of having a captive disarmed group.The Government hates that law abiding citizens can own and carry guns. They want total control and power over us as do the elite in the private sector do as well.
Subsequently hijackings peaked in 1969. Correlation does not imply causality, but one does have to wonder if hijackers, mostly political in those days, were emboldened by all the passengers being disarmed. I also note that while it is not good to be shooting off firearms on commercial aircraft, that the risks are likely preferable to everyone being flown to their deaths as a part of a flying bomb in a suicide attack.
Allowing passengers to exercise their 2A rights might also tend to reduce the disruptive passenger incidents we have seen a rise in. Wasn't it Heinlein who wrote "an armed society is a polite society".
These tradeoffs should like be an issue decided by the airlines, their insurance companies, and passengers in a market process. See http://realairlinesecurity.org.
Post by: Number7 on January 08, 2024, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 08, 2024, 06:00:15 PM
For example, here in AZ everyone loves to run around and say molon labe, but no one was willing to even go and peacefully walk in front of the TSA lines in the Flagstaff airport while armed.
I think that sort of thing, or at other venues where our rights are grotesquely violated, is a great way to remind the various powers that be that - yes we are armed and if you keep this up, these are the sorts of weapons that will be used against you.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 08, 2024, 09:01:56 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 09, 2024, 05:11:11 AM
I had to look up "molon labe".
Of course you did. And you're a Libertarian?
Post by: Anthony on January 09, 2024, 05:14:13 AM
While I agree that the 2nd amendment protects a fundamental right, I have found that almost no one is willing to use those rights to actually do anything to at least flex that muscle.
For example, here in AZ everyone loves to run around and say molon labe, but no one was willing to even go and peacefully walk in front of the TSA lines in the Flagstaff airport while armed.
I think that sort of thing, or at other venues where our rights are grotesquely violated, is a great way to remind the various powers that be that - yes we are armed and if you keep this up, these are the sorts of weapons that will be used against you.
The Feds and their toadie state and local law enforcement agencies have made it clear they will harass, jail and destroy anyone that shows peaceful resistance. Look at those standing OUTSIDE the Capitol J6.
The only cure is secession and for states to openly disregard Federal mandates.
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2024, 05:35:05 AM
Of course you did. And you're a Libertarian?
Ouch! Burn.
Post by: Number7 on January 09, 2024, 06:40:21 AM
Of course you did. And you're a Libertarian?
That kind of got me laughing, too.
Constantly lecturing us but has no clue.
Perfect.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 09, 2024, 07:35:49 AM
The Feds and their toadie state and local law enforcement agencies have made it clear they will harass, jail and destroy anyone that shows peaceful resistance. Look at those standing OUTSIDE the Capitol J6.Yes, they will definitely harass and try to charge you with something.
The only cure is secession and for states to openly disregard Federal mandates.
Agreed that is likely the best cure.
I am concerned there won’t be the determination to do that however. If people won’t even take steps for a peaceful protest out of fear, will they be willing to face down the opposition such actions will provoke?
Maybe Argentina is a sign that people will be willing to vote the bums out when it gets bad enough. I don’t know.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 09, 2024, 07:41:42 AM
Of course you did. And you're a Libertarian?In Jim’s defense, while I think it is well known within the gun rights community, I suspect I know a lot of libertarians who are well informed about the political theory who wouldn’t recognize it.
I have been at core a libertarian since age 16. I don’t think I heard that phrase until perhaps 10 years ago when I became more interested in the 2A.
Post by: Number7 on January 09, 2024, 07:55:52 AM
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2024, 08:57:06 AM
In Jim’s defense, while I think it is well known within the gun rights community, I suspect I know a lot of libertarians who are well informed about the political theory who wouldn’t recognize it.
I have been at core a libertarian since age 16. I don’t think I heard that phrase until perhaps 10 years ago when I became more interested in the 2A.
The book by “Boston T Party” popularized the phrase and that book only came out in 2004, so you are correct to defend Jim; nevertheless it was too great an opportunity to rag on a fellow poster. ;D
Post by: Anthony on January 09, 2024, 12:07:44 PM
In Jim’s defense, while I think it is well known within the gun rights community, I suspect I know a lot of libertarians who are well informed about the political theory who wouldn’t recognize it.
I have been at core a libertarian since age 16. I don’t think I heard that phrase until perhaps 10 years ago when I became more interested in the 2A.
That could certainly be the case as I am a huge 2A advocate.
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2024, 12:15:47 PM
That could certainly be the case as I am a huge 2A advocate.
Like Jim I hadn’t heard it either until I started shooting at the range and hung out with a 2A crowd, but I had already been libertarian for over 30 years at that point.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 09, 2024, 01:50:41 PM
the "cold dead fingers..." I've heard but not the highfalutin one...
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 10, 2024, 09:23:24 AM
Of course you did. And you're a Libertarian?I just vote Libertarian. But I identify as a pragmatic anarchist.
Post by: Anthony on January 10, 2024, 05:29:48 PM
I just vote Libertarian. But I identify as a pragmatic anarchist.
Interesting. So do I.
Post by: Username on January 11, 2024, 06:15:38 AM
Interesting. So do I.Sounds like my father. When asked his religion he said "ecumenical agnostic". Kind of the Libertarian of religions.
Post by: Lucifer on January 11, 2024, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: Little Joe on January 12, 2024, 04:54:05 AM
But I don't think Trump will survive much more than two years and DeSantis will become President for the next 10.
I don't know why Trump will leave office, but that's what I think will happen.
Post by: Username on January 12, 2024, 05:28:35 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2024, 06:29:10 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 12, 2024, 06:34:56 AM
BTW, can't they just take Trumps property tax bill from Trump tower and back into what the state thinks it is worth?
Then they would have the burden of PROOF that they weren't lying out their commie asses the whole time, snf that his property was worth many times more than their lying assholes said it was.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2024, 06:49:32 AM
Trumps lawyers should say, if the property is only worth what you say it is, you owe President Trump hefty refunds on his taxes over the years.
Then they would have the burden of PROOF that they weren't lying out their commie asses the whole time, snf that his property was worth many times more than their lying assholes said it was.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 12, 2024, 06:58:02 AM
With this NY trial and its election interference, why doesn't Trump just leave NY? Whether he wins or loses, it's a powerful message and a huge loss of state tax dollars if he sells all his real estate and moves all his businesses to some other state like Florida?
it'd be spun as President Trump is running away
Post by: Lucifer on January 12, 2024, 07:08:27 AM
My new prediction is that Trump will win the nomination and select DeSantis as VP. and they will go on to win the general. (Unless something happens to Biden and the Dems choose a candidate that is even marginally better than Biden).
But I don't think Trump will survive much more than two years and DeSantis will become President for the next 10.
I don't know why Trump will leave office, but that's what I think will happen.
Except the RDS Team has essentially sunk that idea early on. Perhaps RDS can regroup and rebrand himself for 2028 and learn from all the missteps they made in 2024.
Personally I believe RDS will run for the senate in 2026. He tends to do better in statewide campaigns and still has enough popularity in Florida to carry him.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2024, 04:42:54 PM
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1745811076740964505?s=20
Post by: Lucifer on January 12, 2024, 04:55:07 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 12, 2024, 05:37:47 PM
Is this something to watch in Iowa?Maybe. But could also be a Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing. Pretty much everyone associated with the major parties is likely socially associated somehow with others in the party upper echelons. Political parties are, after all, essentially social clubs of like-minded people. Would be more odd if they hired an overseer who had ties to Democrats! And if they stick with overseers who are Republicans then it would be rare to find an overseer who doesn't have connections or bias toward one of the primary candidates.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1745811076740964505?s=20
Post by: Username on January 13, 2024, 08:00:30 AM
CNN: President Joe Biden commemorated January 6 as a day of American infamy, marking the third anniversary of the 2021 insurrection with a call for Americans to join him in defending The State from former President Donald Trump, who by comparison has promised to pardon the insurrectionists.
Biden: This gathering has been on my mind for a long time for a simple reason: In the face of sustained and alarming challenges to The State, universal human rights, and — all around the world, The State needs champions.
Post by: Lucifer on January 13, 2024, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 13, 2024, 01:41:06 PM
Every time the media or a democrat uses the word "democracy", simply change it to "The State" and everything goes into sharp focus.
CNN: President Joe Biden commemorated January 6 as a day of American infamy, marking the third anniversary of the 2021 insurrection with a call for Americans to join him in defending The State from former President Donald Trump, who by comparison has promised to pardon the insurrectionists.
Biden: This gathering has been on my mind for a long time for a simple reason: In the face of sustained and alarming challenges to The State, universal human rights, and — all around the world, The State needs champions.
Democracy to them is a Marxist or Fascist state.
Post by: elwood blues on January 13, 2024, 07:32:56 PM
https://nevernikki.net/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 14, 2024, 12:36:05 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3878)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 15, 2024, 07:57:08 PM
Post by: Lucifer on January 15, 2024, 08:08:54 PM
Looks like Trump in a landslide in Iowa. DeSantis might beat Haley. If one of them drops out now it could get interesting moving forward depending on where the dropees votes go.
Gee, no one saw that coming. ;)
Guess that means all those Iowans are cultist. ;D
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 15, 2024, 09:08:06 PM
Looks like Trump in a landslide in Iowa. DeSantis might beat Haley. If one of them drops out now it could get interesting moving forward depending on where the dropees votes go.WSJ says, as of 10 PM central with 40 delegates at stake and 88% of the votes counted so far:
51% voted for Trump - 16 delegates.
21% voted for DeSantis - 4 delegates
19% voted for Haley - 4 delegates
8% voted for Ramaswamy - 0 delegates.
If the race were between Trump and just one other candidate then Trump would appear to be vulnerable.
Post by: Lucifer on January 15, 2024, 09:38:35 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/breaking-vivek-ramaswamy-set-drop-2024-republican-nomination/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 15, 2024, 09:46:42 PM
Vivek just dropped out.I don't like it, but I can understand it. He's not foolish enough to go broke. He's made his stance known and may have himself set up for a cabinet spot if not the VP slot.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/breaking-vivek-ramaswamy-set-drop-2024-republican-nomination/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/breaking-vivek-ramaswamy-set-drop-2024-republican-nomination/)
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2024, 04:50:14 AM
WSJ says, as of 10 PM central with 40 delegates at stake and 88% of the votes counted so far:That would only be the case if virtually NONE of the supporters of the dropouts switched to Trump, but there is no way that will happen. I'm sure that even some of Chris Christi's supporters will switch to Trump. More so for Ramaswamey. And many of Haley's and DeSantis's supporters would vote Trump if they dropped out.
51% voted for Trump - 16 delegates.
21% voted for DeSantis - 4 delegates
19% voted for Haley - 4 delegates
8% voted for Ramaswamy - 0 delegates.
If the race were between Trump and just one other candidate then Trump would appear to be vulnerable.
So as other candidates drop out, I see Trump's percentage getting bigger since he won't lose votes if others drop out.
The caveat is that the results of other State's primaries may not be similar to Iowa.
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2024, 05:16:39 AM
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Biden is tied for second-lowest approval rating of any president in the past 70 years
And this from CNN no less:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-2024-presidential-election/h_5d4c152b14681e86c02b18a2e163f0fa
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The latest CNN Poll of Polls, which includes a new CBS poll, finds that President Joe Biden’s approval rating among all adults stands at 41%, with 56% disapproving.
Post by: Anthony on January 16, 2024, 05:52:32 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2024, 06:34:50 AM
In the meantime:
And this from CNN no less:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-2024-presidential-election/h_5d4c152b14681e86c02b18a2e163f0fa
cnn is just another mouthpiece for the communist chinese and george soros-klaus schwaub.
They do not report anything they aren't ordered to report, no matter how delusional.
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2024, 06:47:20 AM
WSJ says, as of 10 PM central with 40 delegates at stake and 88% of the votes counted so far:
51% voted for Trump - 16 delegates.
21% voted for DeSantis - 4 delegates
19% voted for Haley - 4 delegates
8% voted for Ramaswamy - 0 delegates.
If the race were between Trump and just one other candidate then Trump would appear to be vulnerable.
Hahahahahahahahahaha...
In the rare chance that the facts are capable of penetrating your partisan position,
Former President Donald Trump now owns the record for the largest margin of victory in the history of contested Iowa Republican caucuses, more than doubling the previous mark. Citing the Trump campaign, Reuters reported Friday that late Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-KS) previously held the record in contested Republican Iowa caucuses at 12.8 percent.
I know cold hard truth runs a distant second to your leftist opinions, but the margin of victory was staggering, but keep right on making shit up. It gives us something easy to refute.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/01/15/trump-shatters-record-biggest-win-history-iowa-gop-caucuses/
Post by: Username on January 16, 2024, 07:41:21 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 16, 2024, 07:43:13 AM
Trump has already been president so Republicans know exactly what they would be getting by nominating him. Yet half of them voted for people of unknown quality. If you consider that this is effectively a second term election primary for Trump then he isn’t doing as well as he would be if this was considered his first rodeo.
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2024, 08:07:28 AM
I suspect that a very large number of Haley voters were actually democrats trying to pump up her numbers. Didn't work.
According to the article I quoted, haley won one county by ONE VOTE.
That had to be democrats crossing over to thwart Trump.
Fuck her and them.
I'm sure jim will be along to tell us differently.
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2024, 08:08:43 AM
The Bob Dole who lost to Clinton?
Trump has already been president so Republicans know exactly what they would be getting by nominating him. Yet half of them voted for people of unknown quality. If you consider that this is effectively a second term election primary for Trump then he isn’t doing as well as he would be if this was considered his first rodeo.
I don't know if you're dumb, too locked into your dogma to see the difference, or just plain obstinate, but your comparison is as stupid as your point.
President Trump won by a margin un-imagined in previous elections. It wasn't a close election by any description except in the minds of never Trump, ideologues.
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2024, 09:40:58 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2024, 09:43:37 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 16, 2024, 10:31:24 AM
I don't know if you're dumb, too locked into your dogma to see the difference, or just plain obstinate, but your comparison is as stupid as your point.It is a primary, not a general election. Stop listening to the pundits - they'll rot your brain. I am not a Never Trumper, and even if I were you would need to address my arguments. But you engage in personal attacks as a matter of course so obviously that approach is not possible for you. This forum is an echo chamber that drowns out any contrary opinion with irrelevant personal attacks so your reaction was as expected.
President Trump won by a margin un-imagined in previous elections. It wasn't a close election by any description except in the minds of never Trump, ideologues.
The reality is that 50% in the first primary is not a blow-out for a second-term president. For example, even though he barely won more than 50% in the NH primary LBJ over McCarthy, the poor showing caused him to stop campaigning for president.
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2024, 10:45:35 AM
He might be looking for a second term, but he is NOT and incumbent. There is a big difference.
The reality is that 50% in the first primary is not a blow-out for a second-term president.
But yeah, you can't draw too many conclusions regarding the general from the results of a primary/caucus.
Post by: Number7 on January 16, 2024, 10:49:56 AM
It is a primary, not a general election. Stop listening to the pundits - they'll rot your brain. I am not a Never Trumper, and even if I were you would need to address my arguments. But you engage in personal attacks as a matter of course so obviously that approach is not possible for you. This forum is an echo chamber that drowns out any contrary opinion with irrelevant personal attacks so your reaction was as expected.
The reality is that 50% in the first primary is not a blow-out for a second-term president. For example, even though he barely won more than 50% in the NH primary LBJ over McCarthy, the poor showing caused him to stop campaigning for president.
Your argument is not factual and stupid.
The party, the media, the fucking government is all in on stopping him and yet he received over 50% of the vote.
Your self serving bullshit is boring and lazy.
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2024, 10:51:19 AM
It is a primary, not a general election. Stop listening to the pundits - they'll rot your brain.
But yet here you are parroting talking points from last night and this morning's pundits. ::)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 16, 2024, 11:02:58 AM
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After Lackluster Showing, Nikki Haley Orders Bombing Of Iowa
Post by: Anthony on January 16, 2024, 12:03:43 PM
It is a primary, not a general election. Stop listening to the pundits - they'll rot your brain. I am not a Never Trumper, and even if I were you would need to address my arguments. But you engage in personal attacks as a matter of course so obviously that approach is not possible for you. This forum is an echo chamber that drowns out any contrary opinion with irrelevant personal attacks so your reaction was as expected.
The reality is that 50% in the first primary is not a blow-out for a second-term president. For example, even though he barely won more than 50% in the NH primary LBJ over McCarthy, the poor showing caused him to stop campaigning for president.
Very few here engage in personal attacks. I'm guilty of it, but it is rare for me. Nobody is forced to read a post nor respond to anyone.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 16, 2024, 07:34:31 PM
Very few here engage in personal attacks. I'm guilty of it, but it is rare for me. Nobody is forced to read a post nor respond to anyone.Well a few posters do routinely. And when they do that to me they are simply blocked.
As I often note, easy to be a foul-mouthed keyboard warrior writing under a pseudonym. Harder to make a coherent argument or do something in real life.
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2024, 07:05:25 AM
Very few here engage in personal attacks.Sure. You just keep on believing that.
Or perhaps it just seems that way because the few that do engage in personal attacks are such prolific posters.
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2024, 07:12:46 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2024, 07:59:54 AM
Sure. You just keep on believing that.Well, Joe, Anthony’s statement is true. In fact, only two posters here actually make personal attacks. One trouble might be that you tend to filter and contort things said to you into personal attacks. I suppose you’ll think that statement is a personal attack. But you’re usually the only person to whom I have to respond, “I didn’t say THAT, I said THIS.” I live in hope that you’ll grow a thicker skin.
Or perhaps it just seems that way because the few that do engage in personal attacks are such prolific posters.
You are correct that the two who do engage in personal attacks post a lot. But the truth is that there are only two who get the knives out and cross the boundary into incivilty.
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2024, 08:09:49 AM
Well a few posters do routinely. And when they do that to me they are simply blocked.
As I often note, easy to be a foul-mouthed keyboard warrior writing under a pseudonym. Harder to make a coherent argument or do something in real life.
You do LOVE to whine like a teenage girl.
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2024, 08:20:01 AM
We can alter the software that will screen postings before they go public. That way anything offensive can simply be deleted. And certain posters will have their post published, but not available for view by anyone but themselves.
This will create a "harmonious forum" and the progressive lurkers will flock here knowing that no challenges will be presented to their valuable contributions.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2024, 08:21:00 AM
You do LOVE to whine like a teenage girl.A generalization. I doubt that most teenage girls would know what “pseudonym” and “incoherent” mean. And they probably wouldn’t block when insulted, but fire back.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2024, 08:23:17 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2024, 08:45:13 AM
A generalization. I doubt that most teenage girls would know what “pseudonym” and “incoherent” mean. And they probably wouldn’t block when insulted, but fire back.
Leftists usually take one of two roads when confronted with conflicting opinions. Both resemble how many thirteen-year old girls react to their never-ending teenage drama.
One is like petey. They get 'offended' and take revenge by cutting off the other party and endlessly bragging about their courage and bravery.
The other is as you said. They fire back and act like conquering heroes, forgetting that no one cares about their phony bullshit. facebook has created many petey's. They reproduce in cliques where only approved responses are tolerated, and they often organize to exclude barbarians who refuse to play their teenage angst games.
I'm sure he feels like a true warrior for running and hiding from those who fail to see and/or appreciate his profound (less) profundity.
His need to showcase his faux bravery is a dead giveaway.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 17, 2024, 08:58:30 AM
This will create a "harmonious forum" and the progressive lurkers will flock here knowing that no challenges will be presented to their valuable contributions.[/color]
While I am not a believer in moderation councils or anything like it (thus co-founded Flyers' Forum with Jim), I think it is interesting to note that Facebook and other moderated fora are vastly more successful in terms of number of users.
Now some of that may be network effect. But in discussing this with people I think perhaps the vast majority of people actually prefer it that way. Most want to post some pictures of their children and vacations and not read posts from abusive posters who go on and on about their conspiracy theories, anti-vaccine beliefs, or political ideology.
Fortunately we have a mixture of other venues available, such as MeWe, PilotSpin, etc.
One of the great dangers with such centralized moderation is that it is captured by the government. While initially I tended to agree that private companies should be able to moderate however they want and we can simply not participate if we object to that, I was appalled to see how some of the larger organizations like Facebook and Twitter were being paid by the government to perform certain types of moderation.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 17, 2024, 09:52:16 AM
I don’t miss it at all. When you take away topics of importance, you’re left with meaningless, insipid and time-wasting topics. I stay in touch with the people I care about through other means.
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2024, 09:54:41 AM
... But you’re usually the only person to whom I have to respond, “I didn’t say THAT, I said THIS.” I live in hope that you’ll grow a thicker skin.If I had as thin a skin as you think, I doubt I would still be posting here. The fact that I don't care for that doesn't mean I can't take it, or give it back.
There may only be one or two that constantly engage in personal attacks, but when they do, a half dozen others "like" their post. They are just as guilty.
I don't think I have ever called for moderation.
Post by: Number7 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:09 AM
I departed from FB when it hit me that it was NOT a forum. It is NOT a place for discussion of any topic of importance, especially existential ones. As well, on January 8, 2021, long after I left FB, they did a purge and ban not only of the President of the United States but thousands of other conservatives as well, including WalkAway, a forum for people who walked away from the Democratic Party.
I don’t miss it at all. When you take away topics of importance, you’re left with meaningless, insipid and time-wasting topics. I stay in touch with the people I care about through other means.
I laugh when I see people claim to be furious that the government censored social media while championing censorship of things they disagree with.
facebook became the garbage hole it is because of censorship and the jack boot progressives that hate any opinion other than the ones they approve.
it should not surprise anyone that petey thinks Facebook is great.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 17, 2024, 10:08:19 AM
I departed from FB when it hit me that it was NOT a forum. It is NOT a place for discussion of any topic of importance, especially existential ones. As well, on January 8, 2021, long after I left FB, they did a purge and ban not only of the President of the United States but thousands of other conservatives as well, including WalkAway, a forum for people who walked away from the Democratic Party.
While I don't post on FB at all anymore, the unfortunate fact is that several flying related groups I am interested in have a group there. So I have to go there to read what is going on in those groups. I also find that several friends of mine post amusing memes there that I like to share with contacts on MeWe.
Yes, the payments by the government to FB and Twitter to moderate a certain way are quite disturbing. It would be best to restore the law which prevented the Federal government from spending any money whatsoever to engage in propaganda.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 17, 2024, 10:08:53 AM
Haha!!! I just liked Lucifer’s post in green about moderating the forum, but thought that for Joe’s sake I should say that I liked it because of its sarcasm. I’m so thoughtful. ;DLucifer's sarcasm doesn't have a target since no one has even hinted at moderation. Ironically his sarcasm is intended to stifle any further posts that note the use of insults. Deeply ironic, IMHO.
I've stated in the past that I have no issue with number7's style of posting. He has even admitted that insults are part of his M.O. So it is hardly newsworthy when I replied that I expected his insults to my opinion on the Iowa caucus.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 17, 2024, 10:18:01 AM
There may only be one or two that constantly engage in personal attacks, but when they do, a half dozen others "like" their post. They are just as guilty.
Just block and ignore them Little Joe. They are not worth your time or attention.
It is only very rarely that I have found that such people can understand how uncalled for and inappropriate their behavior is. In most cases, people start name calling when they know at some level they can't make a coherent response. That is often because their non-falsifiable beliefs are threatened. And in that case, their beliefs are just indirect statements of their feelings and have no real logical truth value.
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2024, 10:34:26 AM
Example:
“Ideological leftists are evil, cowardly, pathetic scum.”
Me: - agree!
“Little Joe is a pathetic cowardly liberal only pretending to be conservative, because he has TDS.”
Me: - I only care what Little Joe does in the voting booth. If he votes for Trump then he’s no pathetic lefty, even if he criticizes Trump on this forum.
EDIT CLARIFICATION: Me not agreeing with it does not mean I think personal insults should be censored.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 17, 2024, 10:50:37 AM
Example:
“Ideological leftists are evil, cowardly, pathetic scum.”
Me: - agree!
I guess it depends on one's purpose and audience. If you are speaking to someone you actually believe is a leftist, what purpose is served by making such a statement? OTOH, if one simply wants emotional support for one's beliefs or just likes to raz up the crowd, I guess it makes sense.
Post by: Little Joe on January 17, 2024, 11:06:56 AM
But you’re usually the only person to whom I have to respond, “I didn’t say THAT, I said THIS.”Well I guess you are just lucky, or liked.
I say "That's not what I said" frequently since I do occasionally go off the PS reservation, It is easier to twist what I said than to actually refute it. I don't always put it in a reply though.
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2024, 11:35:51 AM
Lucifer's sarcasm doesn't have a target since no one has even hinted at moderation. Ironically his sarcasm is intended to stifle any further posts that note the use of insults. Deeply ironic, IMHO.
Again, you’re making an assumption with no basis in fact.
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2024, 11:38:11 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 17, 2024, 12:22:54 PM
Well, Joe, Anthony’s statement is true. In fact, only two posters here actually make personal attacks. One trouble might be that you tend to filter and contort things said to you into personal attacks. I suppose you’ll think that statement is a personal attack. But you’re usually the only person to whom I have to respond, “I didn’t say THAT, I said THIS.” I live in hope that you’ll grow a thicker skin.
You are correct that the two who do engage in personal attacks post a lot. But the truth is that there are only two who get the knives out and cross the boundary into incivilty.
^^^^^This. Thanks Becky.
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2024, 04:42:58 PM
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Post by: Little Joe on January 19, 2024, 03:00:39 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 20, 2024, 02:03:51 AM
Senator Tim Scott (South Carolina) is not endorsing his former governor, Nikki Haley. He is endorsing Trump.
Because she's a horrible candidate and an Establishment Republican (Democrat).
Post by: Little Joe on January 20, 2024, 04:57:25 AM
DeSantis mulls ending his bid for presidency
By Nicholas Nehamas The New York Times
CHARLESTON, S.C. — After a humbling loss in Iowa, Gov. Ron DeSantis is starting to signal that he is building an off-ramp from the race for the Republican presidential nomination, a seeming acknowledgment of his dim prospects of defeating Donald Trump, given his low poll numbers in New Hampshire and South Carolina.
In the past few days, DeSantis has cast his eyes forward to 2028 with anecdotes about Trump supporters saying they would vote for him next time around if he runs again in four years. He has conceded that Trump’s thumping victory in Iowa on Monday made for a “good showing in terms of him winning the nomination.”
And he has admitted that he believes he made a strategic mistake by icing out the traditional media earlier in the campaign.
It all amounted to a kind of frankness that DeSantis has not always shown in his public comments about the nominating contest. It’s a marked change in tone for a candidate who spent most of last year brashly promising he would win Iowa, which he lost by 30 points.
On Thursday, conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt asked DeSantis if his campaign would survive through the end of March. The Florida governor replied that things were not necessarily going to plan.
“Look, my goal is to win the nomination. Had we won Iowa, we would have been in a great spot,” DeSantis said, before suggesting there would be no point in staying in the race if it were to become clear that he could not win.
“I don’t want to be VP. I don’t want to be in the Cabinet. I don’t want a TV show,” he said. “I’m in it to win it, and at some point, if that’s not working out for you, I recognize that. This isn’t a vanity thing for me.”
DeSantis’ comments hint that a hard truth is setting in: The former president may be about to run away with the race.
DeSantis is polling so badly in New Hampshire, which votes Tuesday, that he is spending the weekend campaigning in South Carolina, which holds its primary a month later and is where he thinks he has a better shot. In both states, he is trailing Nikki Haley, a former governor of South Carolina.
Andrew Romeo, the DeSantis campaign’s communications director, reiterated that DeSantis was in the race “for the long haul,” through South Carolina and beyond.
His best hope of continuing to compete, his aides have said, is for Haley to lose her home state Feb. 24 and drop out, leaving DeSantis with a one-on-one matchup against Trump. “No one will be funding a bubble-wrapped candidate who can’t win her home state,” Romeo argued.
But Super Tuesday, when 16 states and territories vote March 5, is well set up for Trump to dominate, polling shows, even in a two-person race against DeSantis. In that case, DeSantis may be looking at running again in 2028.
In South Carolina on Tuesday, DeSantis said that Trump voters in Iowa had told him they would support him in four years. “They were coming up to me saying, ‘We want you in 2028. We love you, man,’” DeSantis told reporters.
He made similar comments during an interview with NBC News, saying, “I had people come up to me saying, ‘I love you, man. I’m going to do Trump this time and you next time.’ That’s not what I wanted to hear, but being there, we did make an impression, and it’s important.”
And during his interview with Hewitt, he praised Trump’s performance.
“Clearly, when you win Iowa by the amount he did, that’s what you want to be doing if you’re going to win the nomination,” DeSantis said.
He then expressed regret for his campaign’s early strategy of limiting his media appearances to Fox News and other conservative outlets, acknowledging that he failed to reach a wide enough group of voters.
“I should have just been blanketing. I should have gone on all the corporate shows. I should have gone on everything,” he told Hewitt in a moment of introspection. “We had an opportunity, I think, to come out of the gate and do that and reach a much broader folk.”
Although he shaped his image in Florida as a conservative warrior by beating up on the traditional media, he and his team have lately turned on Fox, too, accusing it of being in the bag for the former president.
DeSantis, who for months has campaigned relentlessly and without complaint, also indicated this week that the rigors of the trail were beginning to wear him down.
On Tuesday morning, DeSantis woke up in Iowa after his bruising defeat in the caucuses, flew to South Carolina for a rally and a news conference, and then traveled to New Hampshire to participate in an evening town hall on CNN.
The next day, after two more campaign events in New Hampshire, a tired-looking DeSantis confessed to reporters that it had been “a tough stretch.”
“By the time I walked out on that stage last night for CNN, I mean, it was adrenaline,” DeSantis said. “And I was like, ‘All right, we got to get through this.’”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 21, 2024, 01:58:30 PM
Post by: Little Joe on January 21, 2024, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: Rush on January 21, 2024, 03:12:23 PM
Post by: Number7 on January 21, 2024, 03:41:15 PM
Hailey’s bother me, but I have consistently responded to the DeSantis emails telling whoever reads them that he should make it his unchangeable policy to tell the media that he is running against joe biden not President Trump.
Their strategy was a big loser.
Hopefully he will do much better in 2028.
Post by: Little Joe on January 21, 2024, 03:44:34 PM
I get those communications from the campaigns.I can't believe it, but I agree with you on this.
Hailey’s bother me, but I have consistently responded to the DeSantis emails telling whoever reads them that he should make it his unchangeable policy to tell the media that he is running against joe biden not President Trump.
Their strategy was a big loser.
Hopefully he will do much better in 2028.
Post by: Rush on January 21, 2024, 04:02:55 PM
I can't believe it, but I agree with you on this.
I agree with both y’all also.
Post by: Number7 on January 21, 2024, 04:10:31 PM
I can't believe it, but I agree with you on this.
I deeply apologize for causing you distress…
Post by: Little Joe on January 21, 2024, 04:27:11 PM
I deeply apologize for causing you distress…I'll get over it. I'm not as thin skinned as some people think I am.
Post by: Bamaflyer on January 21, 2024, 06:14:09 PM
Trump texted me and told me. He’s also begging me to come to Mar A Largo and take a selfie with him. The guy won’t leave me alone.
You too? And here I thought he was singling me out. 😭 😎
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 21, 2024, 07:44:03 PM
I get those communications from the campaigns.
Hailey’s bother me, but I have consistently responded to the DeSantis emails telling whoever reads them that he should make it his unchangeable policy to tell the media that he is running against joe biden not President Trump.
Their strategy was a big loser.
Hopefully he will do much better in 2028.
I think for that to happen he'd have to be Trump's VP
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 22, 2024, 07:19:58 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 22, 2024, 07:53:10 AM
Threat or Not?(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3882)
Will be ignored. Threats are OK and permissible to anyone EXCEPT for democrats, then they are prosecuted to the fullest extent and more.
Post by: Anthony on January 22, 2024, 08:07:05 AM
Will be ignored. Threats are OK and permissible to anyone EXCEPT for democrats, then they are prosecuted to the fullest extent and more.
They're (The New World Order/WEF types) are openly signaling a threat to Trump if he gets elected. This is no longer veiled, nor hidden in any way. The MSM, Democrats, Establishment Republicans, Corporate Elite, China and the rest of the Globalists are fine with it.
Post by: Rush on January 22, 2024, 09:15:49 AM
They're (The New World Order/WEF types) are openly signaling a threat to Trump if he gets elected. This is no longer veiled, nor hidden in any way. The MSM, Democrats, Establishment Republicans, Corporate Elite, China and the rest of the Globalists are fine with it.
I can think of no other way to interpret that. They are desperately hoping to incite some nut-job to pop off Trump.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2024, 05:50:28 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2024, 06:43:27 AM
Post by: Little Joe on January 24, 2024, 06:50:33 AM
While most Ds are never-Trumpers, I don't think there are as many R never-Trumpers as the media pretends.
I know that if/when Trump gets the nomination, I will happily vote for him.
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2024, 07:32:26 AM
Post by: Username on January 24, 2024, 09:52:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2024, 10:12:04 AM
What do we do if Trump, for whatever reason, cannot be the candidate? There really is no good alternate.
Then the establishment gets to put in their choice, which is the goal.
Post by: Username on January 24, 2024, 12:36:29 PM
Choice, choice, choice. Unless you don't want to wear a face diaper and skip the clot shot. Choice as long as you choose what they want you to choose.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2024, 01:11:01 PM
It appears that the democrats are going to put all their eggs into the abortion basket. That will be the defining issue for the election. They can't run on the economy, immigration, foreign policy, or really anything else. The Republicans and Trump need to come up with a winning strategy for this VERY emotional subject. So far, they are running away from it, and fast. FJB and the democrats are the only voices to be heard.
Choice, choice, choice. Unless you don't want to wear a face diaper and skip the clot shot. Choice as long as you choose what they want you to choose.
A campaigner for one of the candidates for a local position knocked on our door and engaged me in a discussion of general political subjects. I told him to go back and report to the guy he wanted me to vote for, my position: My big issues are the economy, the border, avoiding WW3 and not letting Texas be run over by the Biden administration. I also wanted him to know that going all extreme on abortion is not going to be a winning strategy. Revoking RvW was correct but now Texas needs to modify their anti-abortion laws to ensure women with miscarriages are not being harmed by them, which they are. The law insufficiently protects them from not receiving proper treatment after a very much wanted baby dies from natural causes within the womb.
The hardliner conservatives in the Republican party are gonna fuck this up. They need to NOT talk about making a nationwide abortion ban after 50 years of claiming it's a states' rights issue. And the states themselves with their bans are not being careful enough to parse out miscarriage treatment - which is identical to induced abortion medications and procedures. People without any medical knowledge are stupidly not understanding this. If you deny a woman with a dead fetus the "abortion pill" and you make her carry around the dead fetus for several weeks until she develops an infection, you are damaging her fertility and making it harder for her to try for another baby, as well as risking her life.
The guy claimed he agreed with me and that his candidate is aware. Who knows if he's telling the truth, but he seemed like a smart guy and I applauded him going door to door.
But the Republicans need to understand that if they choose abortion as the hill to die on, and then lose 2024 because of their stubborness, we are going to end up with far more dead Americans, maybe all of us, after WW3 gets started, because Biden WILL get us tangled up in a global war which has a good chance of going nuclear. We are at this very minute in a proxy war with Iran, not to mention all the other flashpoints exploding because of America is currently projecting weakness.
We need Trump and the Republicans need every strategic advantage they can get to get him in office. Put abortion on the back burner and leave it the hell alone if that's what the Dems are going to run on. Do not let them push you into extremist rhetoric on the subject.
Post by: Rush on January 26, 2024, 05:56:45 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 27, 2024, 09:06:45 PM
https://electionbettingodds.com/RepublicanVicePresident_2024.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/RepublicanVicePresident_2024.html)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 28, 2024, 06:21:44 AM
Betting has begun on Trump's VP selection and latest odds can be found here:I'm surprised to see Stefanik at the top.
https://electionbettingodds.com/RepublicanVicePresident_2024.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/RepublicanVicePresident_2024.html)
Post by: Rush on January 28, 2024, 07:07:35 AM
I'm surprised to see Stefanik at the top.
Me too. I don’t even know who she is.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 28, 2024, 07:09:42 AM
Me too. I don’t even know who she is.Representative from upstate NY.
Post by: Rush on January 28, 2024, 08:10:19 AM
Representative from upstate NY.
Yes, I’m reading up on her on Wikipedia which is doing a fine job of smearing her with lies and misrepresentation. Such as that allegations of election fraud in 2020 are “false”.
Post by: Lucifer on January 28, 2024, 08:18:29 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 28, 2024, 08:42:53 AM
Me too. I don’t even know who she is.
She is the senile pedophile’s pain in the ass.
Post by: Bamaflyer on January 28, 2024, 10:22:49 AM
Me too. I don’t even know who she is.
Well LizBitch Cheney has been insulting her so that’s a plus in my book! 😂
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2024, 06:46:51 AM
Post by: Little Joe on January 30, 2024, 07:14:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VRW9Uc1jpg)Isn't that kind of like when Democrats refer to a slowing of spending increases as a cut?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 30, 2024, 07:16:44 AM
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wouldn't Nikki Haley losing be a victory?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 30, 2024, 08:46:22 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2024, 09:24:57 AM
A Trump poll shows him up around 60/40 or more. Would it not be embarrassing to lose in your home state by a large margin?
Yes it is. And it’s detrimental to her future. But the donors are desperate, and she’s delusional.
Post by: Number7 on January 30, 2024, 09:46:22 AM
Yes it is. And it’s detrimental to her future. But the donors are desperate, and she’s delusional.
Or the criminal deep state has already made plans to eradicate the Rightful President.
Between the criminal fbi and corrupt doj, I do not put anything past them.
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2024, 10:14:01 AM
Or the criminal deep state has already made plans to eradicate the Rightful President.
Between the criminal fbi and corrupt doj, I do not put anything past them.
They have definitely made plans. Whether they can pull them off remains to be seen.
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2024, 10:21:08 AM
Once they secured the nomination, the press turned on them. Same would happen to Dick Cheney in heels. The communist know she will be easy to defeat, that’s why they want her.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 31, 2024, 06:17:15 PM
https://publicrecordsaccess.fultoncountyga.gov/app/RegisterOfActions/#/3A0324B9A67B2C27A41DE1BA29DF76D44176561C00BF2C0F08DD3F4487384289DE3652830E4C29C45656F5AF8030CA96 (https://publicrecordsaccess.fultoncountyga.gov/app/RegisterOfActions/#/3A0324B9A67B2C27A41DE1BA29DF76D44176561C00BF2C0F08DD3F4487384289DE3652830E4C29C45656F5AF8030CA96)
The past day (and this evening) I was not able to get in. Turns out their site was hacked:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgias-fulton-county-is-hacked-but-prosecutors-office-says-trump-election-case-is-unaffected/ar-BB1hvrTf (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgias-fulton-county-is-hacked-but-prosecutors-office-says-trump-election-case-is-unaffected/ar-BB1hvrTf)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 31, 2024, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 01, 2024, 07:06:04 AM
Voters? We don’t need no stinkin’ voters. We’ll decide who the nominees will be. And they’ll be incompetent, incapable puppets.
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2024, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2024, 08:43:56 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 01, 2024, 09:45:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KemEj8y.gif)
Two traitors swapping lies.
Post by: Anthony on February 01, 2024, 01:17:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KemEj8y.gif)
The Uniparty personified.
Post by: Lucifer on February 07, 2024, 07:53:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2024, 06:46:01 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1756543650903826827
Remember, when a leftist denies something, it's usually just the opposite.
Post by: Username on February 11, 2024, 07:50:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2024, 07:53:52 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 11, 2024, 08:14:57 AM
Big Mike certainly has the balls to jump into the race!
So your are saying (s)he would be a good leader!
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2024, 08:30:48 AM
So she will be in the running?
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1756543650903826827
Remember, when a leftist denies something, it's usually just the opposite.
She doesn’t want to. But I wouldn’t put it past the cabal to tell her, “Let us run you or we will kill your children”, if they think she is the best chance to beat Trump and none of their other machinations work out. Something like that is provably in their plan book but it’s not their first go to.
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2024, 08:38:19 AM
She doesn’t want to. But I wouldn’t put it past the cabal to tell her, “Let us run you or we will kill your children”, if they think she is the best chance to beat Trump and none of their other machinations work out. Something like that is provably in their plan book but it’s not their first go to.
Her cuck wants a fourth term. She would rather live the life of a multi millionaire hob knobbing with celebrities.
Maybe BHO could get Valerie Jarrett or Susan Rice to run. ::)
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2024, 08:42:37 AM
Her cuck wants a fourth term. She would rather live the life of a multi millionaire hob knobbing with celebrities.
Maybe BHO could get Valerie Jarrett or Susan Rice to run. ::)
Well my theory falls apart if BHO is part of the cabal which he probably is. Maybe he will threaten to withhold blow jobs if “she” doesn’t run.
;D I don’t actually believe she’s trans but I couldn’t resist that.
Post by: Username on February 11, 2024, 09:05:58 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 11, 2024, 11:54:26 AM
Well my theory falls apart if BHO is part of the cabal which he probably is. Maybe he will threaten to withhold blow jobs if “she” doesn’t run.
;D I don’t actually believe she’s trans but I couldn’t resist that.
I think she's more Trans-Species than anything.
Post by: Username on February 11, 2024, 01:37:28 PM
I think she's more Trans-Species than anything.And the campaign slogan: "Let the Wookie win."
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2024, 06:03:27 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 12, 2024, 03:45:02 AM
Her cuck wants a fourth term. She would rather live the life of a multi millionaire hob knobbing with celebrities.
Maybe BHO could get Valerie Jarrett or Susan Rice to run. ::)
This is my take. Martha's Vineyard, playing on mega Yachts with David Geffen and others. Movie people, etc. What a vapid tool she is. She guzzles fried everything while preaching about kid's lunches. Her ass weighs more than my entire body. Disgusting in every way. Another Oprah.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 16, 2024, 10:23:50 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3914)
Post by: Lucifer on February 18, 2024, 06:48:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2024, 07:23:21 PM
Post by: Little Joe on February 25, 2024, 04:27:23 AM
Did Nikki give her victory speech yet?It'll probably sound something like:
"See; They said I would lose by 30%, but I only lost by 20%".
I love you Nikki, but it's time to concede and let the party come together.
edit: I found it interesting that 55% of non-whites voted for Trump. How could that be? He is a racist!
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2024, 04:45:45 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 25, 2024, 05:12:36 AM
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2024, 05:23:42 AM
At this point here staying in reinforces the fact that she is either stupid, too egotistical to realize that she lost, or loves the attention too much to let it go, in which case she is just like hilary.
Probably so, probably both are true. They’re still funding her, and she’s too stupid not to be the controlled puppet if she ever gets “selected”.
Post by: Little Joe on February 25, 2024, 05:44:38 AM
Fascinating take by Vivek on why Niki is staying in the race. TLDW: She’s being kept by the Uniparty on deck for if and when they get rid of Trump and Biden, if they can’t get Newsome or the like over, because Haley can be controlled by the Uniparty and will keep the MIC grift flowing. Unlike Styx who says Haley is just stupid and doesn’t know when to quit. Maybe we will see who is right if Haley does or does not pull out today.I don't think she is stupid, so I believe the first supposition is more correct. Anything could happen before November and she wants to be in position.
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2024, 06:10:47 AM
I don't think she is stupid, so I believe the first supposition is more correct. Anything could happen before November and she wants to be in position.
Yep, very logical. Except I don’t think she is liked enough to beat Biden or whatever other Dem they put up because there will be cheating. What we are hoping is Trump will win in such a landslide they can’t print enough ballots to overcome it. Aside from that, Trump’s base will be so pissed they’ll stay home, if they remove Trump somehow or he is assassinated. Even if he dies a natural death, many will suspect foul play.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2024, 06:11:29 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2024, 06:52:09 AM
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2024, 07:18:44 AM
Thinking about this a little further, I have a scenario. The people behind all of this realize that not getting a Republican elected President ever again may be bad optics and truly cause an uprising. They are deeply afraid that Kamala could never be elected and that Biden is truly demented at this point and they may not be able to pass him off for another four years. Based on that and how cool it would be to get a female President elected, they decide to back Nikki with a plan to get Trump disqualified one way of the other and slide Nikki in on the November ballot. Nikki beats Biden and you have history made, a female President and one that will be beholden to the Uniparty controllers.
Yes, that’s pretty much what Vivek is suggesting if I recall what he said in that video which I’ve slept since then so no promises.
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2024, 07:28:53 AM
Lots of inside chatter on if Trump wins, not certifying votes in several states which would throw the election to congress (12th amendment). It's looking favorable for the dems to regain control of congress this November.
This method allows the dems to say "Hey, we're just following the constitution!" which will get opposing lawsuits tossed.
They just need to get rid of FJB and Kamala at the convention and insert their new candidate.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2024, 07:35:33 AM
Post by: Username on February 25, 2024, 07:43:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2024, 07:47:01 AM
She's being pushed by the left because they view her as very easy to defeat. Yep, the MSM backs her right now, but if she were to somehow get the nomination (she won't), they would turn on her in a second.
The left would never allow the first female president to be a republican. Never.
Right now she's a distraction to what's going on behind the scenes. And she's stupid enough to play into their hands. She has destroyed her remaining political career, which the left is just happy with.
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2024, 10:22:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2024, 06:49:18 PM
Looks like Nikki's money tree just got chopped down.
Post by: elwood blues on February 25, 2024, 10:32:03 PM
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“And so while we will continue to endorse her, we will focus our resources where we can make the difference.”
I wonder what that means.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 25, 2024, 11:18:37 PM
I wonder what that means.Maybe "We're going to spend the rest of the dough on getting sloshed."?
Seriously though, it states later on "AFP Action will instead channel its resources to finance Republican campaigns on the congressional level"
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2024, 03:26:21 AM
I wonder what that means.
Nikki is a loser, so we will try to thwart Trump in other ways.
Post by: Old Crow on February 26, 2024, 05:06:30 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-chair-ronna-mcdaniel-resign-super-tuesday-reports
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2024, 05:30:09 AM
Now this, it will be a very interesting year wonder what is next.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-chair-ronna-mcdaniel-resign-super-tuesday-reports
I am sick of being called “far right”! Just because I wanted to replace Ronna McDaniel? And because I like Trump because he lowered my taxes, made the U.S. energy independent and actually defended our border?
This is Fox News, supposedly on my side, but a traitor. Going along with the left calling anyone not on the left “far right”.
Screwing around with language. You don’t want to cut a little boy’s dick off because he picked up a doll once? You’re “transphobic”. You think Hamas are an evil terrorist group? You’re “Islamophobic”. You think we should abide by the U.S. Constitution? You’re a “domestic extremist”. You don’t want to allow millions of illegal aliens to overrun the country? You’re “anti-immigration” - a lie!
All of the above makes me a normal American. It’s the radical left agenda that’s extreme, and mentally sick, and they’ve worked it into the culture through a corrupt media of which Fox is as bad as the rest.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 26, 2024, 06:30:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2024, 06:41:26 AM
Post by: elwood blues on February 26, 2024, 10:41:54 AM
Maybe "We're going to spend the rest of the dough on getting sloshed."?
Seriously though, it states later on "AFP Action will instead channel its resources to finance Republican campaigns on the congressional level"
Nikki is a loser, so we will try to thwart Trump in other ways.
You're too kind. I was thinking something more nefarious.
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2024, 07:49:18 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2024, 07:50:34 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 27, 2024, 08:46:17 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 27, 2024, 10:28:14 PM
Seriuosly, they tweeted this...(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3934)
Stupid, swamp, whore.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 28, 2024, 06:15:56 AM
The Muslims managed to keep Biden's total to 81%
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 28, 2024, 06:21:28 AM
Seriuosly, they tweeted this...(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3934)Smell of desperation to gaslight like that. They really do think we’re all stupid. As if one precinct alone means anything. I agree with those who have said they’ll keep her on life support as long as there’s a chance they can take Trump down.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 28, 2024, 06:57:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 28, 2024, 07:00:05 AM
Post by: Username on February 28, 2024, 07:04:01 AM
Quote from: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God)
Smell of desperation to gaslight like that. They really do think we’re all stupid. As if one precinct alone means anything. I agree with those who have said they’ll keep her on life support as long as there’s a chance they can take Trump down.Ann Arbor, home of the University of Michigan. All of the Whore's votes probably came from democrats.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 28, 2024, 08:50:14 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 28, 2024, 11:16:03 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 28, 2024, 12:19:23 PM
who are they stupid enough to vote for in the general?
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2024, 01:43:28 PM
ok, not stupid enough to elect [sic] him again...
who are they stupid enough to vote for in the general?
They might stay home, or vote "none of the above" if that's an option. Either way it hurts Biden and helps Trump. But yes, it's not like they're turning into MAGA people.
Post by: Old Crow on February 29, 2024, 08:40:26 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 29, 2024, 08:46:28 AM
Trash removal day
We can only hope. The communist are not going to relinquish power, and are plotting how to stop from losing it. The republicans are making headway by getting rid of Ronna Botox, but they must also focus on how to stop the use of lawfare to stop state certifications of votes.
The republicans have all but guaranteed a democrat takeover of congress and putting Hakeem Jeffries in as Speaker. This will be crucial when the electoral college meets to certify the election, and will give the communist the avenue to not certify results in several states and invoke the Twelfth Amendment.
Post by: Lucifer on March 01, 2024, 07:26:55 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 01, 2024, 07:28:13 AM
Post by: Little Joe on March 02, 2024, 05:14:59 AM
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Voters Doubt Biden’s Leadership and Favor Trump, Times/Siena Poll Finds
The share of voters who strongly disapprove of President Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.
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With eight months left until the November election, Mr. Biden’s 43 percent support lags behind Mr. Trump’s 48 percent in the national survey of registered voters.
Only one in four voters think the country is moving in the right direction. More than twice as many voters believe Mr. Biden’s policies have personally hurt them as believe his policies have helped them. A majority of voters think the economy is in poor condition. And the share of voters who strongly disapprove of Mr. Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2024, 06:13:40 AM
from NYT:
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Here's an excerpt:
It’s very plain the people want Trump back. Yet the Biden cabal and the Federal apparatus are doing everything they can to thwart the will of the people.
Post by: Lucifer on March 03, 2024, 04:51:03 AM
Notice the last sentence?
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No one gets to 270 and the House of Representatives, voting on behalf of the 50 states, is entrusted to pick the next president. What could possibly go wrong with that constitutionally mandated solution?
You are now seeing the theme for the post election.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on March 03, 2024, 03:13:36 PM
It’s very plain the people want Trump back. Yet the Biden cabal and the Federal apparatus are doing everything they can to thwart the will of the people.True. Though one can hardly expect anything else. With the modern imperial Presidency the stakes are way too high for any sense of honor or fair play to prevail. They will fight as if their lives depend on it.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on March 03, 2024, 03:14:55 PM
from NYT:Also, for any specific URL you can often go to http://archive.ph and put it in to read a copy if anyone has archived it previously.
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Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2024, 06:43:20 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2024, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: Little Joe on March 06, 2024, 04:21:58 AM
Well, well...(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7046.0;attach=3950)Have they opened the boxes under the table or out in the hallway, or in the supervisor's trunk yet?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 07, 2024, 03:26:53 PM
Can anyone explain this? Shawn Farash claims it was due to a typo when someone was inputting info.
Post by: Lucifer on March 07, 2024, 04:16:41 PM
Until we go back to paper ballots, and only voting on election day, this will not end.
Post by: Little Joe on March 07, 2024, 04:54:38 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1765538185042346275Rut Roh.
Can anyone explain this? Shawn Farash claims it was due to a typo when someone was inputting info.
Post by: Number7 on March 07, 2024, 08:29:18 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1765538185042346275
Can anyone explain this? Shawn Farash claims it was due to a typo when someone was inputting info.
California is Peking west.
Schaffer is shit on a moldy roofing shingle.
It’s a perfect marriage.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 10, 2024, 08:16:27 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 11, 2024, 07:34:05 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1765944297298239685 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1765944297298239685)
And for those without X....
Post by: Lucifer on March 11, 2024, 07:39:30 AM
I found this interesting and thought it may interest some of you.
Japan is now voting in US elections? Who knew............
Post by: Anthony on March 11, 2024, 11:16:19 AM
Japan is now voting in US elections? Who knew............
Why not? Mexico and Venezuela are. China also.
Post by: Little Joe on March 11, 2024, 11:45:37 AM
Japan is now voting in US elections? Who knew............Opinions are not the same as votes, but I hope you haven't given the Dems any new ideas for vote sources.
Post by: elwood blues on March 11, 2024, 05:40:34 PM
Post by: Mase on March 12, 2024, 10:38:37 AM
Post by: Little Joe on March 12, 2024, 11:17:35 AM
I have a question. If Trump gets jail time, does his Secret Service detail get to accompany him?That is a question that has actually been seriously discussed. Most say YES.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2024, 01:34:15 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-building-superstructure-stop-trump-141631115.html
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 25, 2024, 01:43:58 PM
This probably belongs in the Joke thread.............
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-building-superstructure-stop-trump-141631115.html
that reads more like babylonbee...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 25, 2024, 04:24:24 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 27, 2024, 07:01:15 AM
Post by: Rush on March 27, 2024, 12:51:56 PM
The communist are laying the ground work for a lawfare election this November, and they aren't hiding it. The Biden "Superstructure" is part of the plan to paint the republicans as "election stealers". Expect lawsuits in several states alleging election tampering, and this time the lawsuits will have standing and will be heard. Of course, they will drag out for years, but it will prevent states from certifying their elections.
Yes, this is their plan, because they probably can't print enough ballots to overcome the landslide. Here is today's projection from mediabiasfactcheck.com. The link: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/electoral-college-map-2024-biden-vs-trump/
Post by: Anthony on March 28, 2024, 03:07:10 AM
The communist are laying the ground work for a lawfare election this November, and they aren't hiding it. The Biden "Superstructure" is part of the plan to paint the republicans as "election stealers". Expect lawsuits in several states alleging election tampering, and this time the lawsuits will have standing and will be heard. Of course, they will drag out for years, but it will prevent states from certifying their elections.
More Democrat PROJECTION. The Media will cover for them.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 28, 2024, 03:40:08 AM
https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1773178695911358669?s=20
Post by: Little Joe on March 28, 2024, 04:54:12 AM
Cook County Illinois, they;ve found 10,000 ballots that may flip a race there.:( ::) :-X :'(
https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1773178695911358669?s=20
Post by: Lucifer on March 28, 2024, 05:44:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 28, 2024, 07:09:13 AM
Post by: Rush on March 28, 2024, 07:28:22 AM
(https://resources.arcamax.com/newspics/281/28149/2814972.gif)
This is LITERAL truth. This is exactly the left's "reasoning".
Post by: Rush on April 15, 2024, 06:13:32 AM
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A federal judge upheld Georgia’s process of cross-checking citizenship status to determine voter eligibility.
District Court Judge Eleanor Ross ruled that the citizenship verification is constitutional
& does NOT violate the Voting Rights Act nor the National Voter Registration Act.
GA SOS says the verification process will be used in this year’s election.
This is a massive win — only US citizens should be able to vote in our elections.
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2024, 06:19:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/1779860130982453485
What about mail in voting? What about mass ballot mailing to outdated voter registrations?
In 2020 Georgia had massive problems with ballots going out to dead people, outdated registrations, and multiple ballots to the same addresses.
The only citizens can vote doesn't fix any of that. It's nothing more than a "see, we are fixing our elections".
It's not about votes. It's all about ballots.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 15, 2024, 07:24:04 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2024, 07:25:42 AM
At least it is a start
Three years too late.
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2024, 06:42:58 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2024, 06:46:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 18, 2024, 05:43:07 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2024, 04:01:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2024, 01:46:41 PM
https://nypost.com/2024/04/28/opinion/weve-finally-found-an-issue-that-unites-the-country-trumps-potential-vp-pick-shooting-her-dog/
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2024, 02:23:24 PM
Note to Kristi Noem: Giving details on killing your dog is a really bad image. Say "bye bye" to your hopes of a VP slot.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/28/opinion/weve-finally-found-an-issue-that-unites-the-country-trumps-potential-vp-pick-shooting-her-dog/
Yep! A fatal miscalculation. What’s normal for back woods and rural folk is totally unknown to city dwellers and probably most coddled youngsters these days, who never had to rely on raising their own chickens for food.
She should have known better. I’d not be surprised if her whole political future is gone now.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 28, 2024, 02:51:27 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 28, 2024, 02:59:07 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 28, 2024, 03:06:03 PM
And ignorance is no excuse for the haters.
Post by: Lucifer on April 29, 2024, 05:16:06 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2024, 10:13:42 AM
Note to Kristi Noem: Giving details on killing your dog is a really bad image. Say "bye bye" to your hopes of a VP slot.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/28/opinion/weve-finally-found-an-issue-that-unites-the-country-trumps-potential-vp-pick-shooting-her-dog/
That's OK. I'll give her a slot on my ticket. ;D
Post by: jb1842 on April 29, 2024, 12:42:47 PM
Post by: Little Joe on April 29, 2024, 12:55:32 PM
Big nothing burger. If the dog did bite someone and someone made a police report, that dog would have been put down anyways. Some people forget that dogs are still animals, and some are just going to be too aggressive to be around people.The issues HOW they are put down.
For some reason, people are less squeamish about spending a day taking a dog to a veterinary clinic and having them put an IV Catheter in and injecting pink juice than they are about even thinking of putting a bullet in a dog's head. The bullet is probably much more humane as it is quicker than a trip to the vet, which most dogs hate.
Post by: Rush on April 29, 2024, 07:23:27 PM
The issues HOW they are put down.
For some reason, people are less squeamish about spending a day taking a dog to a veterinary clinic and having them put an IV Catheter in and injecting pink juice than they are about even thinking of putting a bullet in a dog's head. The bullet is probably much more humane as it is quicker than a trip to the vet, which most dogs hate.
Yes, and people don’t understand backwoods way of life. When we lived in the mountains, a neighbor had a dog that he let run loose. It was a large aggressive dog and it started extending its “territory” into our land. It began to stalk my husband. One day it cornered him under our carport and growled menacingly. It did not attack, my husband went inside, but called the neighbor and told him the dog was becoming threatening toward him. The neighbor apologized and shot the dog. We were shocked, we just wanted him to chain the dog up or something.
But here’s the thing, we had bears and coyotes around, and people would keep large aggressive dogs loose on their land for that reason, to discourage wildlife and vermin, but the dogs had to be people friendly. And these were poor people. The idea of spending money to take a dog to the vet to be put down would be crazy to them. And like you said, they knew it was more humane anyway. To these people a dog isn’t a family member, it’s a tool for survival. Hunting dogs, guard dogs, working dogs. If the dog wasn’t a good fit for the job, you put it down. That’s the culture, that’s how they were raised, how their daddy did it and their granddaddy did it.
Post by: Number7 on April 29, 2024, 07:32:49 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 30, 2024, 04:25:02 AM
Yes, and people don’t understand backwoods way of life. When we lived in the mountains, a neighbor had a dog that he let run loose. It was a large aggressive dog and it started extending its “territory” into our land. It began to stalk my husband. One day it cornered him under our carport and growled menacingly. It did not attack, my husband went inside, but called the neighbor and told him the dog was becoming threatening toward him. The neighbor apologized and shot the dog. We were shocked, we just wanted him to chain the dog up or something.
But here’s the thing, we had bears and coyotes around, and people would keep large aggressive dogs loose on their land for that reason, to discourage wildlife and vermin, but the dogs had to be people friendly. And these were poor people. The idea of spending money to take a dog to the vet to be put down would be crazy to them. And like you said, they knew it was more humane anyway. To these people a dog isn’t a family member, it’s a tool for survival. Hunting dogs, guard dogs, working dogs. If the dog wasn’t a good fit for the job, you put it down. That’s the culture, that’s how they were raised, how their daddy did it and their granddaddy did it.
^^^^^This! It's the dipshit, mamby, pamby Urbanites and Suburbanites that buy their meat in a shrink wrapped package and think the cow, pig, or chicken were never killed to feed them.
They don't understand the reality of farming, ranching, nor rural living. It's about survival and frugalness.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 30, 2024, 04:48:59 AM
^^^^^This! It's the dipshit, mamby, pamby Urbanites and Suburbanites that buy their meat in a shrink wrapped package and think the cow, pig, or chicken were never killed to feed them.
They don't understand the reality of farming, ranching, nor rural living. It's about survival and frugalness.
I'm reminded of an ALF episode (12:15 to 12:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcSkuL5j_ww
(I couldn't find just the snippet)
Post by: Username on April 30, 2024, 04:56:33 AM
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2024, 05:47:43 AM
The dog was a year old not some fluffy baby puppy. It killed a neighbor's chicken and was about to do another. She grabbed him by the collar and it turned around and bit her. I don't know ND law, but I suspect any dog that attacks livestock or bites humans has to be put down. Rural life. But her career is toast.
The thing was 14 months old. German wirehaired pointers reach adulthood at 15 months. The fluffy “puppy” thing pissed me off too. I’m not saying I would have shot it. My “hillbilly” ancestors lived in industrial city mountains on postage stamp sized lots and didn’t have working dogs or guns. They didn’t hunt. They had domesticated rabbits that they raised for food in addition to chickens. But I have the ability to put myself in the shoes of people not like me and not judge their way of life. (To a point; there is a line you don’t cross, like throwing gays off buildings.)
Maybe Noem lacks that ability and couldn’t imagine what today’s sissified Americans “feel” about dogs or animals in general: there is a movement to grant them human rights. This is from the same people who celebrate killing their own children before they’re born.
Post by: Anthony on April 30, 2024, 07:00:44 AM
The thing was 14 months old. German wirehaired pointers reach adulthood at 15 months. The fluffy “puppy” thing pissed me off too. I’m not saying I would have shot it. My “hillbilly” ancestors lived in industrial city mountains on postage stamp sized lots and didn’t have working dogs or guns. They didn’t hunt. They had domesticated rabbits that they raised for food in addition to chickens. But I have the ability to put myself in the shoes of people not like me and not judge their way of life. (To a point; there is a line you don’t cross, like throwing gays off buildings.)
Maybe Noem lacks that ability and couldn’t imagine what today’s sissified Americans “feel” about dogs or animals in general: there is a movement to grant them human rights. This is from the same people who celebrate killing their own children before they’re born.
I had a German Shorthaired Pointer which is a very similar breed. He was a hunting dog and family pet. He didn't have a mean bone in his body. But all dogs are different like people.
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2024, 08:01:35 AM
I had a German Shorthaired Pointer which is a very similar breed. He was a hunting dog and family pet. He didn't have a mean bone in his body. But all dogs are different like people.
A lot of the critics said she didn't train him right. That may be true, but dogs do have genetic dispositions. We had Border Terriers. They are bred to go into the ground to hunt vermin. They have a powerful prey drive for small furry things that go underground. You cannot train it out of them. In fact ours seemed to lack the ability to look UP for prey. They'd chase a squirrel off the porch and as soon as it ran up a tree they'd be looking in every direction except up. They were baffled, they had no idea where it went. It was so hilarious.
Post by: Username on April 30, 2024, 08:16:05 AM
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2024, 05:06:43 PM
Post by: Little Joe on May 01, 2024, 03:41:58 AM
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How climate policies can drive voters to the far righthttps://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/05/01/how-climate-policies-are-giving-boost-far-right/
Studies show that as energy prices rise, so do right-wing movements against green policies
Rich liberals are going to vote for lefties. But poor liberals that are suffering the results of those policies that hurt the poor are often switching to the right.
Hopefully it makes up for all the new support for the Democrats due to the Republicans hard line on abortion.
Post by: Rush on May 01, 2024, 05:08:02 AM
I think we are seeing some of this here:https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/05/01/how-climate-policies-are-giving-boost-far-right/
Rich liberals are going to vote for lefties. But poor liberals that are suffering the results of those policies that hurt the poor are often switching to the right.
Hopefully it makes up for all the new support for the Democrats due to the Republicans hard line on abortion.
And then some I hope.
Post by: Lucifer on May 03, 2024, 04:16:45 AM
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2024, 04:22:11 AM
https://twitter.com/JDHaltigan/status/1785409430265196631
“The four pillars of the modern "progressive" movement that is wreaking havoc across the Western world while simultaneously undermining trust in all sense-making institutions at once, from science to medicine to journalism to academia to the judiciary and beyond.“
Post by: Lucifer on May 03, 2024, 04:27:53 AM
Post by: Rush on May 03, 2024, 04:33:35 AM