PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on September 02, 2023, 06:19:10 PM
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…Once they discover that this little tidbit hit the news.
https://www.offthepress.com/covid-shots-damage-childrens-immunity-to-multiple-viruses-study/
Not that everyone didn’t already suspect that the government conspired to damage the health of otherwise healthy Americans, but hurting infants is low even for the fucking democrat communists.
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https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2023.1242380/full
"Background: Vaccines can have beneficial off-target (heterologous) effects that alter immune responses to, and protect against, unrelated infections. The heterologous effects of COVID-19 vaccines have not been investigated in children.
Aim: To investigate heterologous and specific immunological effects of BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccination in children.
Methods: A whole blood stimulation assay was used to investigate in vitro cytokine responses to heterologous stimulants (killed pathogens, Toll-like receptor ligands) and SARS-CoV-2 antigens. Samples from 29 children, aged 5-11 years, before and 28 days after a second BNT162b2 vaccination were analysed (V2 + 28). Samples from eight children were analysed six months after BNT162b2 vaccination.
Results: At V2 + 28, interferon-γ and monocyte chemoattractant protein-1 responses to S. aureus, E. coli, L. monocytogenes, BCG vaccine, H. influenzae, hepatitis B antigen, poly(I:C) and R848 stimulations were decreased compared to pre-vaccination. For most of these heterologous stimulants, IL-6, IL-15 and IL-17 responses were also decreased. There were sustained decreases in cytokine responses to viral, but not bacterial, stimulants six months after BNT162b2 vaccination. Cytokine responses to irradiated SARS-CoV-2, and spike glycoprotein subunits (S1 and S2) were increased at V2 + 28 for most cytokines and remained higher than pre-vaccination responses 6 months after BNT162b2 vaccination for irradiated SARS-CoV-2 and S1. There was no correlation between BNT162b2 vaccination-induced anti-SARS-CoV2-receptor binding domain IgG antibody titre at V2 + 28 and cytokine responses.
Conclusions: BNT162b2 vaccination in children alters cytokine responses to heterologous stimulants, particularly one month after vaccination. This study is the first to report the immunological heterologous effects of COVID-19 vaccination in children."
and of course there was the required "emphasises the need for further research " statement at the end...
What researcher would ever publish something that didn't call for further research?
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Which is it? “Damage”? or “beneficial”?
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Which is it? “Damage”? or “beneficial”?
I would say rather hard to say. The immune system is a very complex one and always evolving.
All of the lower responses mentioned don’t seem good on the face of it. But it is rather difficult to predict the actual clinical consequences of such physiologic changes. Which is of course why in-vitro studies are notoriously bad predictors of clinical outcomes.
I think this sort of article also belies the notion that all of biomedical research is hopelessly corrupted by big pharma. Which is not to say that our current regulatory regime does not distort things badly in some cases; however, the researchers here published what appears to be an honest and somewhat mixed result.
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I would say rather hard to say. The immune system is a very complex one and always evolving.
All of the lower responses mentioned don’t seem good on the face of it. But it is rather difficult to predict the actual clinical consequences of such physiologic changes. Which is of course why in-vitro studies are notoriously bad predictors of clinical outcomes.
I think this sort of article also belies the notion that all of biomedical research is hopelessly corrupted by big pharma. Which is not to say that our current regulatory regime does not distort things badly in some cases; however, the researchers here published what appears to be an honest and somewhat mixed result.
Peter, do you know anything about this journal? I don't read the immunological literature, so I don't.
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Peter, do you know anything about this journal? I don't read the immunological literature, so I don't.
When in doubt attack the source.
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In what way was that an attack?
It sounded like an honest question because it is not one of his regular reads.
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Democrats always attack the report, the messenger, or anyone not repeating their party line.
challenging the veracity of the study i the first step in pretending it has no significance, while ignoring the fake 'peer reviewed' bullshit they have been babbling.
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Parents should be able to sue these companies.
Oh, wait. Trump gave them immunity.
Never mind.
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Parents should be able to sue these companies.
Oh, wait. Trump gave them immunity.
Never mind.
It was specifically Trump that got involved and offered immunity? I did not know that.
So I guess this statement is incorrect:
Standing in the way of a case for potential liability, however, is the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP), which stipulates that an FDA emergency use authorization (EUA) for a vaccine will exempt all these parties from liability for vaccine injuries or deaths, “except for willful misconduct.”
Thanks for clearing this up.
https://www.hoover.org/research/vaccines-and-liability-0
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It was specifically Trump that got involved and offered immunity? I did not know that.
So I guess this statement is incorrect:
Thanks for clearing this up.
https://www.hoover.org/research/vaccines-and-liability-0
You mean the act signed into law by G. W. Bush in 2005? Yeah I'm sure Trump had a hand in that.
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It was specifically Trump that got involved and offered immunity? I did not know that.
So I guess this statement is incorrect:
Thanks for clearing this up.
https://www.hoover.org/research/vaccines-and-liability-0
Who took credit for Operation Warp Speed? And under what branch of government do the NIH, HHS, FDA, and CDC operate?
I understand there was a lot of uncertainty at the time, but Trump the Businessman could have protected the public if the vaccines turned out harmful, whether allowing some recourse either to the Pharmas or to the government.
I’m tired of the thinking that Trump was an innocent bystander in everything, where he gets all the praise, but is insulated from any criticism.
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Who took credit for Operation Warp Speed? And under what branch of government do the NIH, HHS, FDA, and CDC operate?
I understand there was a lot of uncertainty at the time, but Trump the Businessman could have protected the public if the vaccines turned out harmful, whether allowing some recourse either to the Pharmas or to the government.
I’m tired of the thinking that Trump was an innocent bystander in everything, where he gets all the praise, but is insulated from any criticism.
Oh for fuck's sake Stan. I swear JeffDG has hijacked your account.
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Who took credit for Operation Warp Speed? ...
the clown currently occupying the white house took credit.
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the clown currently occupying the white house took credit.
;-)
Nope. When they took office they told their administration staff not to use the Operation Warp Speed term, and transferred the program into some White House Covid task force or something.
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Oh for fuck's sake Stan. I swear JeffDG has hijacked your account.
The sign of a sycophant is when someone who is otherwise a thinking man can’t say “Yea, that’s true” when faced with negative information about their subject, and instead would rather attack the messenger.
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The sign of a sycophant is when someone who is otherwise a thinking man can’t say “Yea, that’s true” when faced with negative information about their subject, and instead would rather attack the messenger.
Look Stan, you posted:
Parents should be able to sue these companies.
Oh, wait. Trump gave them immunity.
Never mind.
Which was a FALSE statement. I pointed out:
Standing in the way of a case for potential liability, however, is the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP), which stipulates that an FDA emergency use authorization (EUA) for a vaccine will exempt all these parties from liability for vaccine injuries or deaths, “except for willful misconduct.”
To which Rush pointed out was an Act signed by GWB in 2005.
I guess according to you, then Pres Trump should have read the Act himself, line by line then asked congress to rewrite the immunity part, vote on it, then send to the senate for approval so he could sign it into law.
Geez.
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Nope. When they took office they told their administration staff not to use the Operation Warp Speed term, and transferred the program into some White House Covid task force or something.
a rose by any other name...
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Look Stan, you posted:
Which was a FALSE statement. I pointed out:
To which Rush pointed out was an Act signed by GWB in 2005.
I guess according to you, then Pres Trump should have read the Act himself, line by line then asked congress to rewrite the immunity part, vote on it, then send to the senate for approval so he could sign it into law.
Geez.
And who ordered, or whose department ordered, that Operation Warp Speed be designated as an emergency authorization?
The top guy did. That’s all I’m saying.
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And who ordered, or whose department ordered, that Operation Warp Speed be designated as an emergency authorization?
The top guy did. That’s all I’m saying.
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Who took credit for Operation Warp Speed? And under what branch of government do the NIH, HHS, FDA, and CDC operate?
I understand there was a lot of uncertainty at the time, but Trump the Businessman could have protected the public if the vaccines turned out harmful, whether allowing some recourse either to the Pharmas or to the government.
I’m tired of the thinking that Trump was an innocent bystander in everything, where he gets all the praise, but is insulated from any criticism.
You don't understand Stan,
It wasn't Trump's fault.
He didn't have any other choice.
It was somebody else's fault.
Nobody else could have done any better.
Choose any or all of the above. It explains everything.
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You don't understand Stan,
It wasn't Trump's fault.
He didn't have any other choice.
It was somebody else's fault.
Nobody else could have done any better.
Choose any or all of the above. It explains everything.
What would you have done WITHOUT the hindsight and revelations we have now?
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What would you have done WITHOUT the hindsight and revelations we have now?
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I give up. They’ll never be able to answer that question. Maybe there exists a person who is so dictatorial that he would have been able to buck the entire deep state and all the agencies and the public panicking over a disease they were being lied to about it’s death rate and/or we just didn’t know in the beginning. Everybody knowing how effective smallpox and polio vaccines are, so assuming this new vaccine would be similar and wanting this tool against a new unknown disease.
Yeah, there exists a person who magically knew the vaccine would be a farce and just a big drug company grift and who would have told the public “No, I’m not going to try to speed along this vaccine while this contagious disease is sweeping the country.”
Let’s blame Trump because he didn’t do that. I guess a couple of people here would have.
I give up.
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Little Joe is going to BLAME President Trump for anything and everything possible, because HATES President Trump. It makes no difference what the topic. His antipathy colors everything in his world.
When you look at it thru that lens, it makes perfect sense.
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Little Joe is going to BLAME President Trump for anything and everything possible, because HATES President Trump. It makes no difference what the topic. His antipathy colors everything in his world.
When tyou look at ti thru that lens, it makes perfect sense.
Maybe, but he’ll still vote for him if he’s the nominee so he’s still good in my eyes. Has flaws but then who doesn’t.
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I give up. They’ll never be able to answer that question. Maybe there exists a person who is so dictatorial that he would have been able to buck the entire deep state and all the agencies and the public panicking over a disease they were being lied to about it’s death rate and/or we just didn’t know in the beginning. Everybody knowing how effective smallpox and polio vaccines are, so assuming this new vaccine would be similar and wanting this tool against a new unknown disease.
Yeah, there exists a person who magically knew the vaccine would be a farce and just a big drug company grift and who would have told the public “No, I’m not going to try to speed along this vaccine while this contagious disease is sweeping the country.”
Let’s blame Trump because he didn’t do that. I guess a couple of people here would have.
I give up.
Many of us SUSPECTED it was all a farce and money grab, however, to take the risk of ignoring it was NOT AN OPTION.
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I give up. They’ll never be able to answer that question. Maybe there exists a person who is so dictatorial that he would have been able to buck the entire deep state and all the agencies and the public panicking over a disease they were being lied to about it’s death rate and/or we just didn’t know in the beginning. Everybody knowing how effective smallpox and polio vaccines are, so assuming this new vaccine would be similar and wanting this tool against a new unknown disease.
Yeah, there exists a person who magically knew the vaccine would be a farce and just a big drug company grift and who would have told the public “No, I’m not going to try to speed along this vaccine while this contagious disease is sweeping the country.”
Let’s blame Trump because he didn’t do that. I guess a couple of people here would have.
I give up.
Not giving up maybe, just moving on. Here we have two men, Stan and Joe, who say they will vote for Trump if they have to, and that is the important thing.
And here we have a man willing to put everything on the line to fight liberal/communist/Uniparty/cabal (but I repeat myself) tyranny:
https://twitter.com/HomeboyLelo/status/1700060770770329811
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Not giving up maybe, just moving on. Here we have two men, Stan and Joe, who say they will vote for Trump if they have to, and that is the important thing.
And here we have a man willing to put everything on the line to fight liberal/communist/Uniparty/cabal (but I repeat myself) tyranny:
https://twitter.com/HomeboyLelo/status/1700060770770329811
We all agree (except maybe Steingar) that the current establishment, now headed by a Dem admin, but with GOP enabling, is a tyranny. Where we disagree is on how to combat it. We’re still arguing over who has the better chance to beat Biden in the general and it may all be completely moot. Elections might have become merely a staged formality. The outcome pre-planned. Just like how they just got rid of RFK Jr as an option.
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We all agree (except maybe Steingar) that the current establishment, now headed by a Dem admin, but with GOP enabling, is a tyranny. Where we disagree is on how to combat it. We’re still arguing over who has the better chance to beat Biden in the general and it may all be completely moot. Elections might have become merely a staged formality. The outcome pre-planned. Just like how they just got rid of RFK Jr as an option.
They will indict RFK,Jr over some BS charges.
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They will indict RFK,Jr over some BS charges.
If it looks like he has any shot at winning the primary despite their rigging it, yes they will. I wonder if it will only make him more popular like it did Trump?
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If it looks like he has any shot at winning the primary despite their rigging it, yes they will. I wonder if it will only make him more popular like it did Trump?
RFK,Jr is going to go 3rd party. The DNC has already rigged the nomination to keep him out.
He will decimate FJB and the DNC as a third party candidate, so they will have to stop him. Look for scandals to erupt, and the DoJ to bring a multitude of charges against him.
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RFK,Jr is going to go 3rd party. The DNC has already rigged the nomination to keep him out.
He will decimate FJB and the DNC as a third party candidate, so they will have to stop him. Look for scandals to erupt, and the DoJ to bring a multitude of charges against him.
Oh, I forgot about the third party option.
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RFK,Jr is going to go 3rd party. The DNC has already rigged the nomination to keep him out.
He will decimate FJB and the DNC as a third party candidate, so they will have to stop him. Look for scandals to erupt, and the DoJ to bring a multitude of charges against him.
Or maybe another convenient plane crash, like Ron Brown and JFK Jr.
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What would you have done WITHOUT the hindsight and revelations we have now?
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Did YOU support all the lockdowns, mask mandates and stimulus checks at the time? What did you know that Trump didn't?
I didn't and neither did the good politicians, like Desantis and Noem.
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You don't understand Stan,
It wasn't Trump's fault.
He didn't have any other choice.
It was somebody else's fault.
Nobody else could have done any better.
Choose any or all of the above. It explains everything.
https://youtu.be/4U9Yl5CXvcQ?si=Jzv8xd0HzEpIPw-n
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What would you have done WITHOUT the hindsight and revelations we have now?
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I would have used the bravado I had with Putin and Xi to tell the Pharmas that they will need to pay into a multi-billion dollar fund (using the money they receive from their customer - the US Government) so if this turns out to harm our citizens, they can obtain relief and compensation from this fund.
That’s a businessman’s approach to getting around the EUA provision.
Or I would simply direct the Executive branch agencies NOT to designate the need for a vaccine as an Emergency Use Authorization - thus, no exemption from lawsuits.
Question for you all - did Pfizer et al NOT sell vaccines to other countries on the globe unless they signed some sort of lawsuit waiver, or at Americans the only SUCKERS on the globe?
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Did YOU support all the lockdowns, mask mandates and stimulus checks at the time? What did you know that Trump didn't?
I didn't and neither did the good politicians, like Desantis and Noem.
No, I didn't support any of that and knew it was a scam from the beginning. I told a friend on the phone at the very beginning of all this nonsense that when I started seeing people dying in the streets and dead bodies lying around, I'd believe it. NEVER HAPPENED!