PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on July 18, 2016, 05:46:05 PM
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Is anyone watching the festivities?
I liked the Duck Dynasty guy and thought his message was spot on and did inflict serious hits against the doormat.
Rick Perry was kind of slick introducing Marcus Lutrell who was understandably nervous but stuck the knife in Hilary's back every chance he got and did it in ways the DNC can't deflect because everything he said was factually true and has been in the press, so lying about it, though that is the democrat party way, will not stick.
Chachi (Ralph Maccio) was far better than I expected but didn't add much if anything, IMO.
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Melania Trump has already been accused of plagiarizing Michelle Obama! ;D I told you it would be good TV!
The funny thing is I read somewhere that she spend weeks with speechwriter working on the thing. Oh well, when you're that gorgeous I guess you don't have to be that bright.
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Melania Trump has already been accused of plagiarizing Michelle Obama! ;D I told you it would be good TV!
The funny thing is I read somewhere that she spend weeks with speechwriter working on the thing. Oh well, when you're that gorgeous I guess you don't have to be that bright.
To quote the progressive academic, Steingar, "The Only thing you would like to hear from the Trump people is that he refuses to run for president."
Hilarious that all you could do was parrot progressive talking points.
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Melania Trump has already been accused of plagiarizing Michelle Obama! ;D I told you it would be good TV!
The funny thing is I read somewhere that she spend weeks with speechwriter working on the thing. Oh well, when you're that gorgeous I guess you don't have to be that bright.
Plagiarizing. So when a liberal like Joe Biden openly plagiarizes it's entirely acceptable, but when someone from the Republican side gives a speech and talks about family values it's "plagiarizing" because a liberal gave a speech and spoke of family values?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/
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Melania Trump has already been accused of plagiarizing Michelle Obama! ;D I told you it would be good TV!
The funny thing is I read somewhere that she spend weeks with speechwriter working on the thing. Oh well, when you're that gorgeous I guess you don't have to be that bright.
if you are a liberal it's okay to lie and be a bigot.
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Actually, I feel just a bit guilty. Melania Trump really is a spectacular woman. I doubt she plagiarized anything.
It is funny that the firs night of the convention is better remembered for controversy than content. Hardly surprising. It is even funnier that Trump called in to preempt his own convention.
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Actually, I feel just a bit guilty. Melania Trump really is a spectacular woman. I doubt she plagiarized anything.
It is funny that the firs night of the convention is better remembered for controversy than content. Hardly surprising. It is even funnier that Trump called in to preempt his own convention.
Only people intent on attacking will even remember this nonsense. Progressives already hate Melania Trump for existing outside the progressive bubble, so this is nothing but window dressing alongside the event. I have no doubt the progressive whiners have planned to accuse someone of plagiarism to get back at those evil capitalists who noticed their god and hero stealing other people's work eight years ago.
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Actually, I feel just a bit guilty. Melania Trump really is a spectacular woman. I doubt she plagiarized anything.
It is funny that the firs night of the convention is better remembered for controversy than content. Hardly surprising. It is even funnier that Trump called in to preempt his own convention.
Last night may be the first time in my personal history that I thought the MSNBC coverage was better than Fox coverage.
I was at the gym on the treadmill where they have several TVs set up and you cans select which one you want to listen to with your headphones.
CNN seemed to have a lot more commercials, so I kept switching back to FOX. But FOX spent more time with the talking heads than they did showing the speakers.
But in between speakers, when CNN was showing the talking heads, they almost made me puke with their slanted opinions.
I was still able to hear more of the convention speakers on CNN than on FOX though.
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Only people intent on attacking will even remember this nonsense. Progressives already hate Melania Trump for existing outside the progressive bubble, so this is nothing but window dressing alongside the event. I have no doubt the progressive whiners have planned to accuse someone of plagiarism to get back at those evil capitalists who noticed their god and hero stealing other people's work eight years ago.
I don't hate Melania Trump, love her or feel any which way about her. I do think she's an amazingly poised and elegant woman, nearly the antithesis of her husband. I just thought the controversy was funny.
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I do think she's an amazingly poised and elegant woman, nearly the antithesis of her husband.
and the antithesis of the corrupt doormat as well.
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and the antithesis of the corrupt doormat as well.
Yup. The Hildebeast is intelligent, witty, accomplished and writes her own speeches. The exact opposite.
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Yup. The Hildebeast is intelligent, witty, accomplished and writes her own speeches. The exact opposite.
who is this Hildebeast you speak of?
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Yup. The Hildebeast is intelligent, witty, accomplished and writes her own speeches. The exact opposite.
Then why does she employ speech writers?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-hires-julian-castros-speechwritter?utm_term=.stmqVQmmR#.tpJQq5LLZ
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-power-players-116874
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Of course, one has to wonder what kind of manager Trump really is. This is his spouse giving one of the biggest talks in this whole convention. This is his biggest moment to shine. But it gets spoiled by some dumb and utterly avoidable controversy.
I feel really badly for Mrs. Trump. She obviously isn't conversant with public speaking, and hasn't had much of a role previously on the campaign trail. Given all that she was utterly wonderful. This controversy certainly isn't going to help her going forward.
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Then why does she employ speech writers?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-hires-julian-castros-speechwritter?utm_term=.stmqVQmmR#.tpJQq5LLZ
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-power-players-116874
If all her speeches are written by others, why does anyone care what she said on all those speaking gigs?
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Of course, one has to wonder what kind of manager Trump really is. This is his spouse giving one of the biggest talks in this whole convention. This is his biggest moment to shine. But it gets spoiled by some dumb and utterly avoidable controversy.
I feel really badly for Mrs. Trump. She obviously isn't conversant with public speaking, and hasn't had much of a role previously on the campaign trail. Given all that she was utterly wonderful. This controversy certainly isn't going to help her going forward.
No matter what was done, no matter what was said a "controversy" would be stirred up by the media in order to diminish the Trump campaign. It's just a tactic focused at the low information voter to muddy the waters and paint the Trump's as inept.
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No matter what was done, no matter what was said a "controversy" would be stirred up by the media in order to diminish the Trump campaign. It's just a tactic focused at the low information voter to muddy the waters and paint the Trump's as inept.
Sorry, just listening to the two of them side by side you easily see the similarities. It might have only cropped up by accident, but an easily avoidable one that's spoiling his big show. Does not speak to his managerial abilities. Truly, nothing in his campaign does.
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Sorry, just listening to the two of them side by side you easily see the similarities. It might have only cropped up by accident, but an easily avoidable one that's spoiling his big show. Does not speak to his managerial abilities. Truly, nothing in his campaign does.
Liberal Talking Points, nothing new. Again, focused at the low information voter.
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Last night may be the first time in my personal history that I thought the MSNBC coverage was better than Fox coverage.
I was at the gym on the treadmill where they have several TVs set up and you cans select which one you want to listen to with your headphones.
CNN seemed to have a lot more commercials, so I kept switching back to FOX. But FOX spent more time with the talking heads than they did showing the speakers.
But in between speakers, when CNN was showing the talking heads, they almost made me puke with their slanted opinions.
I was still able to hear more of the convention speakers on CNN than on FOX though.
I felt the same about Fox, and in most cases the guests were irrelevant. I think I'm going to watch it on C-SPAN tonight.
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No matter what was done, no matter what was said a "controversy" would be stirred up by the media in order to diminish the Trump campaign. It's just a tactic focused at the low information voter to muddy the waters and paint the Trump's as inept.
This whole "controversy" is a whole lot of nothing. However, it demonstrates to me the lack of seriousness with which Trump is treating this process. That's disturbing. He could actually win this thing, but little shit like this just gives the Fifth Column ammunition.
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This whole "controversy" is a whole lot of nothing. However, it demonstrates to me the lack of seriousness with which Trump is treating this process. That's disturbing. He could actually win this thing, but little shit like this just gives the Fifth Column ammunition.
The fifth column will attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill no matter what. They have staff dedicated to comb through every detail and twist a story to fit a narrative. And this is all aimed at the low information voters. The Trump camp can spend all of their time and resources fighting the bullshit, which plays right into the fifth columns hands or they can keep moving forward and stay on message.
The Fourth Estate (or fifth column, however you see it) is in a tizzy right now because their role has been diminished in this election cycle. They will do anything to keep control and try to sway the election outcome. It's my opinion voters are getting fed up with the bullshit of the media and aren't buying into the narrative anymore.
But you will always have the low information group that the media can control, but that group has diminished and are more interested in the Kardashians or Pokemon Go, or whatever mindless media crap is going on.
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I felt the same about Fox, and in most cases the guests were irrelevant. I think I'm going to watch it on C-SPAN tonight.
I'm going flying tonight.
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I'm going flying tonight.
Oh yeah! Welll I'm going to sort my socks during the Democrats convention.
So there!
(now, how do I stick a raspberry in here)?
;D
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I'm going flying tonight.
I'm envious
(seriously, not sarcastic)
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If all her speeches are written by others, why does anyone care what she said on all those speaking gigs?
THEY DON'T.
It's an opportunity to give bribes under the guise of speechifying.
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Aaaand, the campaign admits (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/20/melania-trump-speechwriter-admits-mistake-in-lifting-michelle-obama-lines.html) parts of Melania's speech were lifted from Michelle. The speechwriter
has offered to resigned, but the resignation was rejected.
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Aaaand, the campaign admits (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/20/melania-trump-speechwriter-admits-mistake-in-lifting-michelle-obama-lines.html) parts of Melania's speech were lifted from Michelle. The speechwriter has resigned.
Let's see,
When a Republican makes a minor mistake, they offer to resign.
When a Democrat breaks the law and compromises national security, they get nominated to run for President.
Did you hear the very believable explanation for how the speech error happened?
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Trump rejected the resignation.
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Let's see,
When a Republican makes a minor mistake, they offer to resign.
When a Democrat breaks the law and compromises national security, they get nominated to run for President.
Said speechwriter is a registered Democrat.
Did you hear the very believable explanation for how the speech error happened?
Yes. But I don't really believe it, since the first 24 hours were flat denials.
No biggie. Happens sort of frequently. Just interesting, considering they had experienced political speech-writers draw up a speech, which was then summarily thrown out and replaced with the one we heard.
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Trump rejected the resignation.
Good point. Edited my post.
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Said speechwriter is a registered Democrat.
so a democrat plagarizes and the republicans get blamed?
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Said speechwriter is a registered Democrat.
I'm shocked, shocked that Trump would have Democrats as his speechwriters.
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I found this whole controversy far more amusing than important. However, it does underscore the utter ineptitude of the Trump campaign. Every time he gets the perfect moment to shine he sticks his foot in his mouth or has some sort of disaster. The spouse's moment at the convention could have been quite the moment. His spouse is gorgeous, elegant, and composed, and could have easily knocked it out of the park. Instead it gave us the most easily understandable and viewable faux pas he's had yet. Completely and utterly preventable with software that is free on the internet. He's supposed to be this managerial genius and makes idiotic mistakes like this. If this is what he does with his campaign I shudder to think what he'll do as POTUS.
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so a democrat plagarizes and the republicans get blamed?
I expect that to be the Trump campaign's message on day three. Stay tuned.
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I find it quite humorous that boiler plate statements can be considered plagiarized. I guess everyone that said "my parents..." plagiarized the person in front of them. Much ado about less than nothing.
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I'm shocked, shocked that Trump would have Democrats as his speechwriters.
Not sure if The Donald's speechwriter is a democrat or not. Can you shed light on your knowledge of such things?
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if you are a liberal it's okay to lie and be a bigot.
If you are a Trump it's okay to lie and be a bigot.
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It matters not what the orange one says or does. The Trumpkins will follow his beat wherever it leads.
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I find it quite humorous that boiler plate statements can be considered plagiarized. I guess everyone that said "my parents..." plagiarized the person in front of them. Much ado about less than nothing.
At one point it was 23 consecutive words directly lifted from Obama's speech. There is literally a one in multiple trillions chance that it was coincidence. There is also the fact that they have admitted it. You are about a day behind.
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The speechwriter is a real person, and a long time employee, who has apparently helped ghostwrite one or more of Trump's books - she has apologized and offered to resign, resignation refused by the family - her 'splanation (taking notes with Melania providing excerpts of speeches/statements) makes sense, at least to me, and her apology seems heartfelt.
I know it won't matter to hard core Dem's or NeverTrump folks but there it is.
FWIW, these kinds of spouses speeches usually sound about the same anyway - go ahead and describe the sky without using 'up above', 'blue', 'clouds', after all someone else probably already used those words you dirty no good plagiarist.....lol
People die in Benghazi and 30,000 e-mails deleted on her word they weren't important, no big deal; failed reset with Russia and chaos across the tinderbox that was the Middle East, no problem; Iran getting Nukes, who cares; evidence of criminal wrongdoing discovered by the FBI and Department of State that would put anyone else into serious hotwater but she skates; no Hillary is OK - a Nominee's wife gives a speech with some of the same words and feelings of another nominee's wife, yuuuuge issue. Right.
'Gimp
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Sorry, just listening to the two of them side by side you easily see the similarities. It might have only cropped up by accident, but an easily avoidable one that's spoiling his big show. Does not speak to his managerial abilities. Truly, nothing in his campaign does.
That's the kind of straw grabbing the imbecile contingent on msnbc all over. Sorry but that argument is pure bullshit.
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I'm going flying tonight.
Which is fine except for the fact that you bloviate about the Trump speech without having watched it, which makes your argument rather shallow and transparently dishonest.
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It matters not what the orange one says or does. The Trumpkins will follow his beat wherever it leads.
Much like Hillary supporters? She lies, she commits crime, she is a sell out to her base but yet her supporters think she is so qualified.
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I still think this was done on purpose and then leaked to MSNBC and Rachel Maddow. Sure seemed to me like it was found out awfully quickly. Just my opinion.
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Aaaaaaaaaand Ted Cruz commits political seppuku on live TV in front of tens of millions rather than to simply live by the pledge he among others insisted Trump commit to.
This is the character of Cruz, a man who will probably never win elective office ever again.
What a childish, selfish and ultimately self-destructive thing to do - and fully in line with the nagging suspicion I had about his character all along.
One can only hope at this point that Trump fully expected this and knew it would simultaneously improve his connection to HIS base and gave ol' Lyin' Ted enough rope - Cruz is done, what a putz and a classless way to go out.
'Gimp
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Aaaaaaaaaand Ted Cruz commits political seppuku on live TV in front of tens of millions rather than to simply live by the pledge he among others insisted Trump commit to.
This is the character of Cruz, a man who will probably never win elective office ever again.
What a childish, selfish and ultimately self-destructive thing to do - and fully in line with the nagging suspicion I had about his character all along.
One can only hope at this point that Trump fully expected this and knew it would simultaneously improve his connection to HIS base and gave ol' Lyin' Ted enough rope - Cruz is done, what a putz and a classless way to go out.
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I have to agree with you. I was hoping for a 1976 Reagan speech. After all, he didn't have to accept the invitation to speak, in prime time. He could have greased the skids for his next run by being magnanimous as Reagan did after losing to Ford. I was greatly disappointed. And I think he did grave damage to his future.
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The speechwriter is a real person, and a long time employee, who has apparently helped ghostwrite one or more of Trump's books - she has apologized and offered to resign, resignation refused by the family - her 'splanation (taking notes with Melania providing excerpts of speeches/statements) makes sense, at least to me, and her apology seems heartfelt.
I know it won't matter to hard core Dem's or NeverTrump folks but there it is.
FWIW, these kinds of spouses speeches usually sound about the same anyway - go ahead and describe the sky without using 'up above', 'blue', 'clouds', after all someone else probably already used those words you dirty no good plagiarist.....lol
People die in Benghazi and 30,000 e-mails deleted on her word they weren't important, no big deal; failed reset with Russia and chaos across the tinderbox that was the Middle East, no problem; Iran getting Nukes, who cares; evidence of criminal wrongdoing discovered by the FBI and Department of State that would put anyone else into serious hotwater but she skates; no Hillary is OK - a Nominee's wife gives a speech with some of the same words and feelings of another nominee's wife, yuuuuge issue. Right.
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Your first paragraph is good. Your others are a combination of ignoring the extent of the plagiarism with some "but Hillary!" thrown in for good measure. The campaign had a perfectly good speech written by famous former Bush speechwriters, and they threw it all away in favor of another that was partly plagiarized. Not the biggest deal in the world for sure, but the optics suck.
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I have to agree with you. I was hoping for a 1976 Reagan speech. After all, he didn't have to accept the invitation to speak, in prime time. He could have greased the skids for his next run by being magnanimous as Reagan did after losing to Ford. I was greatly disappointed. And I think he did grave damage to his future.
^^^This.
This represented such an incredible opportunity for Cruz IF Trump were to go on and lose (as well of course if Trump were to win), and it would have aided the intra-party healing that still does need to take place (I think the Pence choice was Trump's biggest move on that to-date), instead he orchestrates the failed mini-mutiny amongst the delegates and then throws away what was for most of it a good speech.
Really a total missed opportunity on so many levels.
In other news though, Gov. Pence went thermonuclear and simply knocked it the hell out the park, a great speech. Frank Luntz survey immediately following suggests some movement in the middle and even on the Left, very interesting. I know Pence's social conservatism and open faith will provide lots of ammo for the democrat-media complex but he really came off well tonight.
And Don Jr. yesterday....holy shit!
Not a bad convention so far.
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^^^This.
This represented such an incredible opportunity for Cruz IF Trump were to go on and lose (as well of course if Trump were to win), and it would have aided the intra-party healing that still does need to take place (I think the Pence choice was Trump's biggest move on that to-date), instead he orchestrates the failed mini-mutiny amongst the delegates and then throws away what was for most of it a good speech.
Really a total missed opportunity on so many levels.
In other news though, Gov. Pence went thermonuclear and simply knocked it the hell out the park, a great speech. Frank Luntz survey immediately following suggests some movement in the middle and even on the Left, very interesting. I know Pence's social conservatism and open faith will provide lots of ammo for the democrat-media complex but he really came off well tonight.
And Don Jr. yesterday....holy shit!
Not a bad convention so far.
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I'm behind, so haven't seen Luntz yet. I thought Eric Trump did a great job tonight.
Gingrich is always good.
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Florida Governor Rick Scott lacked ... Well ... A lot, then Florida AG Pam Bondi made another brutally bad speech following. Those two deserve each other and are side by side hoping for a cabinet appointment.Marco Rubio sent a video from Florida while busy campaigning.
After that things got very interesting.
Newt Gingrich was terrific, as was Ted Cruz, even though he did not explicitly endorse the Donald, he certainly did all but.
Trump's son (the second in two nights) was nothing short of spectacular and Mike Pence was amazing. I knew very little about him other than that he was a conservative and he blew me away.
I am sure Steingar is happily pretending to have great insight into the night having done the liberal thing and pretended to know all about it while admitting haing watched none -again but I thought the night went quite week, especially sine I watched it on cspan to avoid the babbling idiots on the networks.
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I wanted to hear all of Laura Ingraham's speech but it got cut off by the talking heads. Sure I can find it on YouTube. Eric was good, Newt is always good and did a great job of trying to diffuse the Cruz mess.
Can't help but think back to that first debate where they were all asked about the pledge and all the shit Trump got for not raising his hand when asked about running as an independent. I believe when confronted on it he also made the statement, something to the effect of, "I'm going to win"
Maybe Cruz realizes that his only way to the WH is to do all he can to make Trump lose. If Trump is elected and does well, he'll be re-elected. If he gets two terms then Pence gets to run in 2024 and has the leg up as the VP of a successful administration.
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I wanted to hear all of Laura Ingraham's speech but it got cut off by the talking heads. Sure I can find it on YouTube. Eric was good, Newt is always good and did a great job of trying to diffuse the Cruz mess.
We tuned in on CSPAN so we could watch the speeches and decided for ourselves what they said, instead of having to listen to partisan shaping of every word.
As for Cruz's speech, I wouldn't endorse a man that attacked my family either and party "loyalty" be damned.
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At one point it was 23 consecutive words directly lifted from Obama's speech. There is literally a one in multiple trillions chance that it was coincidence. There is also the fact that they have admitted it. You are about a day behind.
You are correct on both points. Work has prevented me from doing the normal research. No excuse but rather a reason. Thanks for the update!
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You are correct on both points. Work has prevented me from doing the normal research. No excuse but rather a reason. Thanks for the update!
No worries.
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Seems Cruz really did himself a disservice by not endorsing Trump. I can't really blame him for following his conscience. Trump really did a number on Cruz's family, and I really can't blame him one bit for withholding an endorsement. Shows a bit of character, actually. I just wonder if there might have been a way for him to do it more diplomatically.
Reminds me of a good joke:
what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 100: Judge
what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50: Senator
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Reminds me of a good joke:
what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 100: Judge
what do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50: Senator
wasn't the corrupt doormat a Senator?
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wasn't the corrupt doormat a Senator?
BOOM goes the dynamite!
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wasn't the corrupt doormat a Senator?
As is Mr. Cruz.
I just can't see this going well for him. If Trump wins he'll remember, he has a long memory for slights. When he looses some will blame Cruz for creating division within the party. I just can't see him winning.
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As is Mr. Cruz.
and whooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhh the point sails over Steingar's head.
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and whooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhh the point sails over Steingar's head.
He is purposely ignoring a fact (again). Such as when he tells us of all of Hillary's "accomplishments" but when questioned to show what she "accomplished" as a Senator or Secretary he pivots.
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I love how the Trumpkins have admitted that "Vote Your Conscience" <> "Vote Trump"
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‘Vote Your Conscience’ Was A Rorschach Test, And Donald Trump’s Campaign Failed (http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/21/vote-your-conscience-was-a-rorschach-test-and-donald-trumps-campaign-failed)
The only sensible Trump response to “vote your conscience” and “vote for freedom and candidates with principles” was to thank Cruz for the rousing speech and his commitment to conservative principles. Praise him for his defense of freedom, and then turn his call to “vote your conscience” into an endorsement of Trump’s agenda. After all, there’s only one candidate in the race who wants to put America first, there’s only one candidate who wants to keep America safe, there’s only one candidate who has what it takes to Make America Great Again. If you believe in restoring American greatness, then your conscience can only tell you one thing: vote Trump.
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and whooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhh the point sails over Steingar's head.
So are you saying that Cruz isn't a Senator? News to me.
As far as Mrs. Clinton's accomplishment, as Senator she doggedly kept federal (read military) assets within her state. Coming from a state that's lost just about all, I'd say that's quite an accomplishment. I do not know of any substantive legislation that she sponsored or co-sponsored. She did of course vote for the Iraqi war, a low point certainly.
When she first was named Secretary of State I think she thought she was going to be involved with direction of foreign policy. That didn't work out, so she wound up traveling to more nations thant just about any other secretary of state.
I can't honestly think of any two term Senators who have done substantially more than her, unless you count single-handedly trying to cause a US default an accomplishment (that is what Mr. Cruz is best know for, other than his spat with the Orange One).
About the only Sec State I can think of who did more was Kissinger, though he did have a war to stop. She didn't lie to the UN like Colin Powell. And while she was on the job things were pretty good with the Russians.
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So are you saying that Cruz isn't a Senator? News to me.
As far as Mrs. Clinton's accomplishment, as Senator she doggedly kept federal (read military) assets within her state. Coming from a state that's lost just about all, I'd say that's quite an accomplishment. I do not know of any substantive legislation that she sponsored or co-sponsored. She did of course vote for the Iraqi war, a low point certainly.
When she first was named Secretary of State I think she thought she was going to be involved with direction of foreign policy. That didn't work out, so she wound up traveling to more nations thant just about any other secretary of state.
I can't honestly think of any two term Senators who have done substantially more than her, unless you count single-handedly trying to cause a US default an accomplishment (that is what Mr. Cruz is best know for, other than his spat with the Orange One).
About the only Sec State I can think of who did more was Kissinger, though he did have a war to stop. She didn't lie to the UN like Colin Powell. And while she was on the job things were pretty good with the Russians.
So you admit she was a lackluster Senator with no legislative accomplishments. Got it.
And you also admit she was a lackluster Secretary of State with no accomplishments, no defining moments. And traveling to multiple countries really can't be considered an accomplishment either.
And you say while she was SOS things were good with the Russians huh? Better go back and do a history review on that one.
But, as SOS she did help further destabilize the Mideast and throw Libya into turmoil and cost American lives. And she did use her position to further the Clinton Criminal Foundation all while breaking several federal laws in relation to electronic record keeping and classified materials.
Quite the accomplishment.
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So you admit she was a lackluster Senator with no legislative accomplishments. Got it.
I'm actually saying she was a two-term Senator with a slightly better than average record of accomplishment for having maintained federal assets in her state. Find me some folks who've done more in two terms.
And you also admit she was a lackluster Secretary of State with no accomplishments, no defining moments. And traveling to multiple countries really can't be considered an accomplishment either.
Actually, I think she was a model Secretary of State in that she carried out face to face diplomacy around the world, repairing The US's reputation with her allies and maintaining good relations with her adversaries. Again, if you think a Secretary of State did better I'd like to know who. I admit Kissinger, but you tell me which Secretary of State (and I mean one in this century or the latter part of last Century) and not someone from 1802.
And you say while she was SOS things were good with the Russians huh? Better go back and do a history review on that one.
They didn't go to pot until they annexed the Crimea, which was after the Hildebeast did her thing. The sad thing is they actually had a point. Yanukovych was the duly elected leader of the Ukraine, the coup that unseated him was antidemocratic. Moreover, the guys who lead the coup really were facists, there can be no doubt. They've cleaned up their act in the interim, but I can't blame the Russians for worrying over their Black Sea fleet. I can blame them for wantonly violating a treaty to which they were signatories.
But, as SOS she did help further destabilize the Mideast and throw Libya into turmoil and cost American lives.
They supported a popular uprising against a dictator, a fairly American thing to do. Had Gaddafi crushed the rebellion the GOP would have hd Obama's head on a spike. Obama's predecessor mishandled a war that killed thousands, yet you guys all seem OK with that.
And she did use her position to further the Clinton Criminal Foundation all while breaking several federal laws in relation to electronic record keeping and classified materials.
Quite the accomplishment.
Which the AG himself said wasn't worth prosecuting. Trump has his own impressive string of debacles, by the way.
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I wonder how that Arab spring thing is working out
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I remember when I was mocked because I likened Trump to a personality cult that the DPRK Kims would be proud of..."I alone can fix it." makes me very sad to hear from the speech of the nominee of the party of Lincoln and Reagan.
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I wonder how that Arab spring thing is working out
I got into a heated discussion with an Israeli pilot about the Arab Spring. He thought it would end in bloodshed and tragedy and would ruin everything. He was right. What a human tragedy. I don't think you can pin that on Hillary Clinton, or Barak Obama or George Bush or anyone else. Social media entered the Arab world and allowed them to organize under the nose of their security services. It was a new technology that wound up having a devastating effect. Add into that the ongoing war between Sunni and Shia Islam and and you've the perfect shitstorm that is going on there now.
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I love how the Trumpkins have admitted that "Vote Your Conscience" <> "Vote Trump"
I also noticed that the criminal doormat sent out emails and mailers immediately claiming Cruz meant that "Vote your conscious" meant voting for her.
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And, Donnie's back to talking about Cruz's father and Oswald today.
Good job Trumpkins, you gave the GOP the most mentally unbalanced nominee in history.