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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on September 17, 2022, 07:13:42 AM

Title: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2022, 07:13:42 AM
Still not completely decided which I’d vote for if Desantis runs in the 2024 primary but this analysis is very compelling.

https://rumble.com/v1kf30r-the-gavin-newsom-ron-desantis-feud-is-an-astroturf.html
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2022, 07:36:57 AM
The republicans are infamous for running multiple candidates and splitting the vote, thus letting the democrat win.   Democrats unite behind a candidate to push them over the line. 

I’m backing whoever gets the nomination.  The democrat communist will run yet another looney tune, or they may try another BHO type (comes out of nowhere, sealed records, etc)

No matter who runs as a conservative, they will get the same treatment from the communist, their media, big tech and government agencies.  If it’s DeSantis, expect a scandal, fake news tying him to Russia, elicit affairs, bimbos on parade, leaks of his finances, attacks on his family, etc, etc. 

Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2022, 08:21:30 AM
Fly DeSantis!
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 17, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
DeSantis has my vote.  Trump will not win the general election. Too many people have been conditioned for 7 years that Trump is evil incarnate, including those independents we need to win.

My retirement cant bear another 4 years of democrat control.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2022, 10:56:23 AM
DeSantis has my vote.  Trump will not win the general election. Too many people have been conditioned for 7 years that Trump is evil incarnate, including those independents we need to win.

My retirement cant bear another 4 years of democrat control.

If it is DeSantis, we will be barraged 24/7 with fake news, scandals, censoring and the communist concocting everything and anything to get rid of him.  He will be raked over the coals, his family smeared and attacked, and FBI raids on his home.  Anyone associated with him will meet a similar fate.

Put any name you want for the conservative candidate, and expect the same.  The question becomes which candidate will fold under the pressure. 

Personally I believe Trump will be indicted in a DC court, and a kangaroo trial in DC.  Two years is a long time, and we’re currently in an extreme volatile environment 54 days before a mid term election.  I’m not going to be surprised that we will be in a shooting war internationally any day now.  The communist need something, anything to lock us down again. 

We live in dangerous times.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2022, 11:48:33 AM
DeSantis has my vote.  Trump will not win the general election. Too many people have been conditioned for 7 years that Trump is evil incarnate, including those independents we need to win.

My retirement cant bear another 4 years of democrat control.

Our retirement can't either.  But like Lucifer just said, they're going to do the same to any Republican challenger.  Trump has proven that he has what it takes to withstand it.  Don't know yet about Desantis.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2022, 11:53:08 AM
otoh - perhaps with someone other than President Trump... when the democrats inevitability spew more lies and hatred, perhaps perhaps perhaps the independents and some democrats will see what is happening.

Hope springs eternal...
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2022, 01:48:57 PM
otoh - perhaps with someone other than President Trump... when the democrats inevitability spew more lies and hatred, perhaps perhaps perhaps the independents and some democrats will see what is happening.

Hope springs eternal...

It’s very difficult when the media lies and spins everything. 
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2022, 01:52:02 PM
It’s very difficult when the media lies and spins everything.

except for the dem zombies, is there anyone so blind that they can't see the lies and spin?

Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 17, 2022, 03:33:59 PM
It’s very difficult when the media lies and spins everything.

Media heads need to roll, CEOs etc along with the other Democrat Fascists in this Elite Cabal we're up against.  I mean legally, of course.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 17, 2022, 03:57:58 PM
Our retirement can't either.  But like Lucifer just said, they're going to do the same to any Republican challenger.  Trump has proven that he has what it takes to withstand it.  Don't know yet about Desantis.
Trump can certainly withstand it. He doesn’t wilt. I can’t say the same about Republican or independent voters.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2022, 09:22:26 AM
Here’s yet another example of tone deaf republicans.

https://thepostmillennial.com/mike-pompeo-tells-chicago-crowd-he-s-prepping-for-2024-run
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2022, 09:28:21 AM
Here’s yet another example of tone deaf republicans.

https://thepostmillennial.com/mike-pompeo-tells-chicago-crowd-he-s-prepping-for-2024-run
Fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
I do believe IF Trump runs again, the establishment republicans will run a third party candidate to split the vote.  They’ve mastered that one.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: bflynn on September 18, 2022, 03:29:23 PM
I do believe IF Trump runs again, the establishment republicans will run a third party candidate to split the vote.  They’ve mastered that one.

So, scorched earth?  Better to ruin the country than let Trump be president again?

Can you support that or just talking out of your ass?
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
So, scorched earth?  Better to ruin the country than let Trump be president again?

Can you support that or just talking out of your ass?

  So your liberal side showing again?  Attacking someone for having an opinion?

  My opinion is based on how the republicans will crowd a field running for office which does nothing more than split the vote and give the election to the other side.  The democrats are more lockstepped by selecting a candidate and getting behind one candidate. 

 We just saw one example of this in Alaska.  We have the establishment wing of the Republican Party led by Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy who have in the past supported one Republican against another in order to keep “the undesirable” out.   Mitch is not at all above sabotaging candidates of his own party.  The evidence is out there.

 The establishment republicans are more like the democrat communist inside the beltway.  It’s their club and outsiders are not welcome. 

 Republicans still have a way to go in learning how to unify and win elections.  A guy named DJT showed them how, and they couldn’t stand it.   
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 18, 2022, 04:32:57 PM
So, scorched earth?  Better to ruin the country than let Trump be president again?

Can you support that or just talking out of your ass?

Check history.  He's spot on.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 18, 2022, 05:17:06 PM
I’m afraid so.  I saw an interview with Dan Crenshaw where he basically called MAGA people extremists if I was understanding him right.  :(
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2022, 05:18:35 PM
I’m afraid so.  I saw an interview with Dan Crenshaw where he basically called MAGA people extremists if I was understanding him right.  :(


LOL, Crenshaw.  ::)   He wants in the McConnell/McCarthy club.   ;)P
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2022, 08:10:27 PM
So, scorched earth?  Better to ruin the country than let Trump be president again?

Can you support that or just talking out of your ass?
He’s right.  Have you not been paying attention? 

I see your return to PS was intended to demonstrate that you can still act like a douchebag.


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Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2022, 08:17:19 PM
I’m afraid so.  I saw an interview with Dan Crenshaw where he basically called MAGA people extremists if I was understanding him right.  :(
I had high hopes for Crenshaw, but he has increasingly gone to the establishment side of everything. What a stupid statement.  MAGA people supported him in the past.


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Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 19, 2022, 04:03:57 AM
I had high hopes for Crenshaw, but he has increasingly gone to the establishment side of everything. What a stupid statement.  MAGA people supported him in the past.


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Yep.  I am so disappointed.  He’s still good looking though which just makes it worse.  I feel betrayed.  But he may end up on the wrong side of history.  MAGA owns the Republican Party.  These establishment Republicans don’t seem to grasp that.  Has Crenshaw looked at the polls for the 2024 presidential primary?  It’s Trump and DeSantis, period.  There are no establishment Republicans that come close, I don’t think any even break into double digits.  DeSantis is MAGA for all intents and purposes.  It’s Trump and DeSantis, nobody else, smacking establishment Reps in the face, that’s MAGA, and the legacy GOP needs to get with the program or GTFO.

I think Crenshaw got stuck in a time warp when he went to war.  I understand, I voted Republican all the way through this century.  Yay capitalism.  Yay trickle down economics.  What was the alternative?  It was a matter of Reps ruining the country slightly more slowly than Dems.  But four years of Trump changed all that.  Finally somebody who actually was for the common man, unlike the communists, liberals and Democrats who claim they’re for the common man but are anything but.

Establishment Republicans:  “Trickle down economics will lift all boats.”  But continue to grow centralized control over the economy, and waste taxpayer money on foreign aid and proxy wars.

Democrats: “Take from the rich and give to the poor!”  But take from everyone and give to themselves and go along with establishment warmongering/foreign aid.

Trump: “Cut regulations and loosen restrictions on the economy so it can boom.”  And actually did that as well as keeping us out of war.

Crenshaw can’t see that and grasp why average voters love Trump?
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 19, 2022, 04:18:46 AM
So, scorched earth?  Better to ruin the country than let Trump be president again?

Can you support that or just talking out of your ass?

So you are saying Lucifer thinks establishment Republicans would rather Biden win in 2024 than Trump?  So they’d run a third party candidate to split the “red” vote?  And you disagree that the establishment Republicans would go that far?  That they would not get behind Trump as a better alternative than the sock puppet of a commie cabal?

I’m reserving my opinion whether or not they would, but the never Trumpers on the right do seem as crazed and cult-like as the TDS sufferers on the left.

Of course, the plan is probably not to run Biden at all but find some other empty shell to front as president, but my point stands. 
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 19, 2022, 07:01:13 AM
So you are saying Lucifer thinks establishment Republicans would rather Biden win in 2024 than Trump?  So they’d run a third party candidate to split the “red” vote?  And you disagree that the establishment Republicans would go that far?  That they would not get behind Trump as a better alternative than the sock puppet of a commie cabal?

I’m reserving my opinion whether or not they would, but the never Trumpers on the right do seem as crazed and cult-like as the TDS sufferers on the left.

Of course, the plan is probably not to run Biden at all but find some other empty shell to front as president, but my point stands.
Exhibit A on why lucifer is correct:  Paul Ryan.

Trump had the House AND the Senate. He could have accomplished virtually all his goals in his first two years.

Instead, he got blocked virtually every step of the way by Paul Ryan, save for the big tax cut bill.

McConnell happily followed suit in the Senate, making no effort to convince democrats to do the right thing.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 19, 2022, 12:49:19 PM
Suddenly my Face Book feed is littered with ads for Democrat candidates.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
More idiocy.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1571968979664793600
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 19, 2022, 07:05:33 PM
Exhibit A on why lucifer is correct:  Paul Ryan.

Trump had the House AND the Senate. He could have accomplished virtually all his goals in his first two years.

Instead, he got blocked virtually every step of the way by Paul Ryan, save for the big tax cut bill.

McConnell happily followed suit in the Senate, making no effort to convince democrats to do the right thing.

Yet Trump accomplished some of his agenda against both Rs and Ds. That's guts.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Rush on September 20, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
Maybe establishment Republicans are more afraid of MAGA Republicans than they are of Democrats. And a lot of Trump endorsed candidates are winning primaries.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 20, 2022, 05:27:41 AM
Maybe establishment Republicans are more afraid of MAGA Republicans than they are of Democrats. And a lot of Trump endorsed candidates are winning primaries.

Maybe President Trump should endore the slugs with (D)

edit:  endorse, forgive my typo, endorse endorse endorse endorse
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Number7 on September 20, 2022, 06:10:22 AM
Maybe President Trump should endore the slugs with (D)

If he did, you would hear the screaming all the way to Mars.

fucking liberals think only they are allowed to fight dirty
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2022, 06:48:29 AM
Maybe President Trump should endore the slugs with (D)

I don't know what you're saying.  Endorse, Endure???  I think Trump should be Trump.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 20, 2022, 07:18:43 AM
More idiocy.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1571968979664793600
He is way out of his league. Go drink some more Slimfast and retire already.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 20, 2022, 07:30:17 AM
I don't know what you're saying.  Endorse, Endure???  I think Trump should be Trump.

endorse, forgive my typo, endorse endorse endorse endorse endorse

Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2022, 02:14:45 PM
endorse, forgive my typo, endorse endorse endorse endorse endorse

If you meant ENDURE, why didn't you just say it?   ;D
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2022, 06:36:03 AM
The ‘DeSantis Is Worse Than Trump’ Campaign Begins

https://issuesinsights.com/2022/09/22/the-medias-desantis-is-worse-than-trump-campaign-begins/


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When New York Times columnist Jamelle Bouie wrote a love letter of sorts to Donald Trump and his “soft edges and eccentricity,” it didn’t take long for people to see this for what it is: an opening salvo by the press to start demonizing the next Republican.

In his column, Bouie coos about how Trump is “funny, he has stage presence, and he has a kind of natural charisma. He can be a bully in part because he can temper his cruelty and egoism with the performance of a clown or a showman. He can persuade an audience that he’s just kidding — that he doesn’t actually mean it.”

Anyone not blinded by Trump hatred would probably agree with this description. But it is Bouie who doesn’t actually mean what he’s saying.

Bouie is a guy who, when Trump first ran for president, declared definitively that “Trump is a fascist,” and that this was “the political label that best describes what the GOP front-runner has become.” Then he spent four years recoiling at the horror of the Trump presidency.

Bouie’s new-found love of Trump has nothing to do with a change of heart and everything to do with portraying the other leading presidential contender — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — as far worse than Trump.

And the only reason to do so now is because of the fact that DeSantis’ recent actions have raised his profile nationally and increasingly endeared him to conservatives.

As Republican communicator Matt Whitlock noted, “ ‘The soft edges of Donald Trump’ is a hilarious set-up to the inevitable ‘actually DeSantis is worse than Trump’ we all knew was coming.”

Exactly. Anyone who has followed the news over the past several years could see this coming a mile away.

What’s surprising is how clueless Bouie — and all those who will inevitably follow him down this path — are to the fact that they are just repeating a tired ritual.

When Trump his campaign and his presidency, he was a fascist. Now that DeSantis looks as though he could claim the nomination for 2024, he’s the fascist.

When George W. Bush was president, guess what, he was fascist, too. Back then we were told that Bush displayed the “supremacist ideology of Nazi Germany” that “you and I live under the rule of an official dictator,” that his administration “had begun to implement the 10 steps to take down a democratic nation,” and that he “is trying to bring to himself all the power to become an emperor — to create Empire America.”

Once Bush was safely out of power, the fascist label fell off him and landed on Mitt Romney, whose campaign at one point complained that Democrats were trivializing fascism by constantly referring to Republican candidates as Hitler reincarnated.

Some in the press have noticed that this bad habit is backfiring.

The Atlantic asked in 2016: “Did liberals botch their chance to take down Trump by hyperbolically attacking past Republican nominees? Probably.”

Nothing will change, of course. The media might navel gaze a little, but they will never admit their biases or change how they cover politics. Whoever the Republican nominee is, the press will attack him, or her, as a dangerous extremist.

What’s refreshing about Trump and — so far at least — DeSantis is that unlike Bush, Romney, John McCain and so many other GOP candidates, they don’t seem to care about these vile attacks.

Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2022, 06:45:59 AM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2022, 07:11:53 AM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Number7 on September 22, 2022, 11:22:43 AM
The fucking lefties have destroyed the hitler label just as they destroyed the racist label.

Fuckers never learn a fucking thing.
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: nddons on September 22, 2022, 01:37:38 PM
On our firm’s systems, once you get off of our intranet site, the default site is msn.

I looked at that today, and counted no less than 22 different stories that showed a picture of Donald Trump.

Twenty two stories, all about the former president.

I’m not sure I’m excited about arguing against all such stories for the next 2.5 years if we have someone equally or more qualified to advance the conservative agenda.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news
Title: Re: Trump vs Desantis
Post by: Anthony on September 22, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
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