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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 03, 2020, 12:32:32 PM
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I wanted to pose this on POA, but the snowflakes probably would get the thead locked pretty quick...
For the people who are reluctant to get a vaccine and also don't think covid-19 is as big a threat as various chicken little disciples claim, consider this: If people get vaccinated, that will give top-cover for people to go back to normal ops.
If people don't get vaccinated, then we'll run the risk of politicians not giving up their power "in an abundance of caution"
Forget how effective a vaccine is or isn't, forget whether or not it is possible to get covid-19 again, forget about how low the CFR really is... we probably need a lot of people to get the vaccine so that the Nervous Nellies can stop cowering and start living again.
Now, don't get me wrong, there are people with legitimate reasons for being cautious about being vaccinated. I'm considering the larger group that are reluctant because they don't want their arm to be sore for a few days or get a 72 hour headache.
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Of the people I know who got COVID two have life-altering resultant illnesses that may never go away. Ben Bova just died of it. Fuck you Bob. Don't get vaccinated. Pease don't. Stick to your principles.
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Of the people I know who got COVID two have life-altering resultant illnesses that may never go away. Ben Bova just died of it. Fuck you Bob. Don't get vaccinated. Pease don't. Stick to your principles.
You are a FUCKING JERK!
Congratulations, asshole.
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Of the people I know who got COVID two have life-altering resultant illnesses that may never go away. Ben Bova just died of it. Fuck you Bob. Don't get vaccinated. Pease don't. Stick to your principles.
very classy... but, from you, not at all surprising.
btw - you are completely wrong wrt what I was referring to in my OP.
I guess I wasn't clear. I was posing a question (of sorts) to those that might be reluctant to get vaccinated.
If you assume I'm in that camp (i.e., reluctant to get vaccinated), then you don't know anywhere near as much as you think you know.
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You are a FUCKING JERK!
Congratulations, asshole.
Why doesn't Number 7 got to the beach?
Cats try and bury him in the sand.
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very classy... but, from you, not at all surprising.
btw - you are completely wrong wrt what I was referring to in my OP.
I guess I wasn't clear. I was posing a question (of sorts) to those that might be reluctant to get vaccinated.
If you assume I'm in that camp (i.e., reluctant to get vaccinated), then you don't know anywhere near as much as you think you know.
So don't get vaccinated. I doubt anyone will make you. Darwin rules in the end. But I was deeply offended by your reference to our reaction to COVID being chicken little. I think the relatives of the quarter million dead from the disease might have somewhat more salient language.
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So don't get vaccinated. I doubt anyone will make you. Darwin rules in the end. But I was deeply offended by your reference to our reaction to COVID being chicken little. I think the relatives of the quarter million dead from the disease might have somewhat more salient language.
Total deaths in 2020 are projected to be less than 2019 and 2018. Amazing that heart disease doesn’t kill anyone anymore in 2020.
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So don't get vaccinated. I doubt anyone will make you. Darwin rules in the end. But I was deeply offended by your reference to our reaction to COVID being chicken little. I think the relatives of the quarter million dead from the disease might have somewhat more salient language.
awwww. you were "deeply offended"
and that was your reaction?
and your comment of "so don't get vaccinated" shows how little you know about me.
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awwww. you were "deeply offended"
and that was your reaction?
and your comment of "so don't get vaccinated" shows how little you know about me.
You said you were reluctant, so indulge your wonderful freedom and don't get vaccinated. I just hope when you get the chicken little virus that you don't give it to anyone else before you succumb to whatever symptoms are coming your way.
Now, if I may ask, what makes you reluctant? There are some really good reasons by the way, but I have the sneaking suspicion that yours aren't among them.
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You said you were reluctant, ...
nope. I didn't say I was reluctant. I was posing the question to people who might be reluctant.
"For the people who are reluctant to get a vaccine "
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nope. I didn't say I was reluctant. I was posing the question to people who might be reluctant.
"For the people who are reluctant to get a vaccine "
Reading comprehension is not his strong suit.
Btw, what you said in the OP was entirely clear to me. Steingar just went full dickhead because he is hair triggered to nail a conservative, and didn’t take the post at face value.
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You said you were reluctant, so indulge your wonderful freedom and don't get vaccinated. I just hope when you get the chicken little virus that you don't give it to anyone else before you succumb to whatever symptoms are coming your way.
Now, if I may ask, what makes you reluctant? There are some really good reasons by the way, but I have the sneaking suspicion that yours aren't among them.
I thought you had reservations about the vaccine. Am I misremembering?
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/philadelphia-priest-dies-after-participating-moderna-covid-vaccine-trial
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(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5147.0;attach=1749;image)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/philadelphia-priest-dies-after-participating-moderna-covid-vaccine-trial
Half the people in the trial got a placebo. The story does not indicate which arm (or group) of the trial he was in. And because ~30,000 people were in the trial some deaths and unusual things can happen in either arm unrelated to the vaccine or placebo. It takes some forensic analysis to try to determine if the vaccine was the cause. It isn’t always possible to determine the cause.
I started scanning the comments to that article. Quickly saw a lot of biological ignorance mixed with paranoia. The worst is that the mRNA will modify the DNA of a cell. Since the mRNA only codes for the spike protein and not Reverse transcriptase needed to insert itself into the DNA, that isn’t going to happen.
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Half the people in the trial got a placebo. The story does not indicate which arm (or group) of the trial he was in. And because ~30,000 people were in the trial some deaths and unusual things can happen in either arm unrelated to the vaccine or placebo. It takes some forensic analysis to try to determine if the vaccine was the cause. It isn’t always possible to determine the cause.
I started scanning the comments to that article. Quickly saw a lot of biological ignorance mixed with paranoia. The worst is that the mRNA will modify the DNA of a cell. Since the mRNA only codes for the spike protein and not Reverse transcriptase needed to insert itself into the DNA, that isn’t going to happen.
And yet we are suppose to believe that someone admitted to a hospital with a gunshot wound and dies from it, but before they die they do a covid test, and then list said victim as a "covid death". ::)
I don't know what the priest died from. But using the same "science" that we've have had shoved down our throats, since he was in a vaccine trial we'll just chalk it up to the vaccine.
Seems fair.
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I’d get one of the mRNA vaccines irrespective of political considerations when it becomes available to mere peons. My modest understanding of how those vaccines work suggests the danger is very low. I already get a yearly flu shot and, other than gaining the ability to cling to any surface and enhanced senses, I’ve never experienced any side effects from them.
Other than going on 65 and using one medication that suppresses the immune system I have no other risk factors. (If there was any danger I hope I’d feel a tingle from my enhanced senses before they gave me it.)
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So we don't need an ID to vote, but somehow this may be required?
(https://www.citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/covid-vaccine-card.jpg)
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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines give me no qualms at all. As said, they are mRNA vaccines. They deliver an mRNA, or messenger RNA, into the cell. The mRNA encodes part of the virus, the coat protein which is the first thing seen by the immune system. The cells make and secrete this protein, and your immune system reacts to it. You have immunity.
I think I know why these vaccines have such incredible efficacy (they do, the MMR vaccine is about 70% effective, and it's been around awhile). The mRNA vaccines are a class of subunit vaccines, which use a viral subunit as the antigenic source. Previous vaccines were either killed or mutated viruses, and introduced lots of stuff to the immune system that the immune system likely doesn't see in an infection. The subunit vaccines limit the response to what the immune system sees.
The first subunit vaccines, Hepatitis B and HPV, were wildly effective. They expressed the antigens in alternative organisms, purified the proteins and used them for vaccines. The mRNA vaccines trick your cells into making the viral subunit. mRNA is harmless, even if it's made into DNA by reverse transcriptase (rare), it hasn't the ability to incorporate into genomic DNA. The mRNA has to be strengthened in some way, since mRNAs are very fragile intercellularly and intracellularly. I imagine they've incorporated morphilino groups or something analogous into the nucleotides of the mRNA to make it more robust. The mRNAs are cloaked in lipid micelles to get them across cellular membranes and not cells, something nucleic acids cannot do on their own.
I have some deep seated reservations about the Astra Zeneca vaccine and don't recommend anyone take it. If I'm right there are going to be some bad outcomes.
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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines give me no qualms at all. As said, they are mRNA vaccines. They deliver an mRNA, or messenger RNA, into the cell. The mRNA encodes part of the virus, the coat protein which is the first thing seen by the immune system. The cells make and secrete this protein, and your immune system reacts to it. You have immunity.
I think I know why these vaccines have such incredible efficacy (they do, the MMR vaccine is about 70% effective, and it's been around awhile). The mRNA vaccines are a class of subunit vaccines, which use a viral subunit as the antigenic source. Previous vaccines were either killed or mutated viruses, and introduced lots of stuff to the immune system that the immune system likely doesn't see in an infection. The subunit vaccines limit the response to what the immune system sees.
The first subunit vaccines, Hepatitis B and HPV, were wildly effective. They expressed the antigens in alternative organisms, purified the proteins and used them for vaccines. The mRNA vaccines trick your cells into making the viral subunit. mRNA is harmless, even if it's made into DNA by reverse transcriptase (rare), it hasn't the ability to incorporate into genomic DNA. The mRNA has to be strengthened in some way, since mRNAs are very fragile intercellularly and intracellularly. I imagine they've incorporated morphilino groups or something analogous into the nucleotides of the mRNA to make it more robust. The mRNAs are cloaked in lipid micelles to get them across cellular membranes and not cells, something nucleic acids cannot do on their own.
I have some deep seated reservations about the Astra Zeneca vaccine and don't recommend anyone take it. If I'm right there are going to be some bad outcomes.
Ah, thanks. I must be remembering you talking about the Astra Zeneca vaccine. I will keep all this in mind whenever a vaccine comes around my area, and only get the Pfizer or Moderna one, if I get one at all.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/vaccines-side-effects-risk-sidelining-health-workers-while-cases-surge/ar-BB1bC0h8
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/vaccines-side-effects-risk-sidelining-health-workers-while-cases-surge/ar-BB1bC0h8
can't win for losing...
I find myself in unusual territory (which I initially misspelled as terrority....), that is, thinking about the positive aspects rather than the doom, gloom, fear, panic, chaos being the focus of so many.
Good news: vaccines are becoming available
Debbie Downer: vaccine side-effects will sideline workers
and kind of the opposite...
Debbie Downer: cases are surging
Good news: the increases in cases actually helps the clinical vaccine trials.
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can't win for losing...
I find myself in unusual territory (which I initially misspelled as terrority....), that is, thinking about the positive aspects rather than the doom, gloom, fear, panic, chaos being the focus of so many.
Good news: vaccines are becoming available
Debbie Downer: vaccine side-effects will sideline workers
and kind of the opposite...
Debbie Downer: cases are surging
Good news: the increases in cases actually helps the clinical vaccine trials.
We are 263 days into "15 days to flatten the curve". This entire scamdemic is total bullshit. 99.99% chance of survival. Trillions of dollars lost, despotic dictators masquerading as governors hell bent on total submission of their subjects, a CDC that can't get it's numbers correct, a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases led by an incompetent bureaucrat with a MD, being fed by a total dishonest media in a feeding frenzy pushing panic porn.
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We are 263 days into "15 days to flatten the curve". This entire scamdemic is total bullshit. 99.99% chance of survival. Trillions of dollars lost, despotic dictators masquerading as governors hell bent on total submission of their subjects, a CDC that can't get it's numbers correct, a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases led by an incompetent bureaucrat with a MD, being fed by a total dishonest media in a feeding frenzy pushing panic porn.
You left out the fact that Court Jester fauci hasn't examined a patient in DECADES and DECADES... so of course he would be the oracle of all knowledge to the NO information liberals.
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... But I was deeply offended by your reference to our reaction to COVID being chicken little. ...
why am I reminded of...
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We are 263 days into "15 days to flatten the curve". This entire scamdemic is total bullshit. 99.99% chance of survival. Trillions of dollars lost, despotic dictators masquerading as governors hell bent on total submission of their subjects, a CDC that can't get it's numbers correct, a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases led by an incompetent bureaucrat with a MD, being fed by a total dishonest media in a feeding frenzy pushing panic porn.
We've lost way over a quarter million Americans. Perhaps you don't care about them because they were old or possibly had some comorbidity, but I promise their relatives and loved ones do care about them and miss them. I don't know the number who've had life-altering disabilities from viral infection, but I bet the number is high. And all that while we do our level best to contain the thing.
My guess is if we did as you and your fellow knuckle dragging idiots would like and just ignored the whole thing that the number of deaths would be in the millions and our health care system would have broken down long ago. You seem to think you're a big expert in everything because you listen to OANN or whatever. Newsflash, there are folks out there who know more about viruses and epidemiology than you do.
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. Newsflash, there are folks out there who know more about viruses and epidemiology than you do.
And you aren't in that group.
You are a fraud. You've yet to show one iota of evidence of being an actual scientist. What you are is an ideological activist. You wouldn't know science if it bit you on the ass.
That piece of paper on your wall doesn't qualify you either. It only shows you kissed the right asses of a bunch of other ideologues to get accepted into their little club.
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We've lost way over a quarter million Americans. Perhaps you don't care about them because they were old or possibly had some comorbidity, but I promise their relatives and loved ones do care about them and miss them. I don't know the number who've had life-altering disabilities from viral infection, but I bet the number is high. And all that while we do our level best to contain the thing.
My guess is if we did as you and your fellow knuckle dragging idiots would like and just ignored the whole thing that the number of deaths would be in the millions and our health care system would have broken down long ago. You seem to think you're a big expert in everything because you listen to OANN or whatever. Newsflash, there are folks out there who know more about viruses and epidemiology than you do.
Who mostly would have died anyway no matter what due to other illness and/or age. Yet you continue to justify societal destruction because your Democrat/MEDIA masters tell you to do so.
What about it would just be two weeks to "flatten the curve". This is the Flu, maybe a little worse. Nothing more, and nothing to do this kind of societal destruction over.
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Who mostly would have died anyway no matter what due to other illness and/or age. Yet you continue to justify societal destruction because your Democrat/MEDIA masters tell you to do so.
What about it would just be two weeks to "flatten the curve". This is the Flu, maybe a little worse. Nothing more, and nothing to do this kind of societal destruction over.
I suspect he stole his post from some actual adult, like so many of his other offerings.
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Who mostly would have died anyway no matter what due to other illness and/or age.
That can apply to anyone. The sticky issue is timing.
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That can apply to anyone. The sticky issue is timing.
The timing was they died of Cancer, Heart Failure, Diabetes, Pneumonia, etc and Hoof and Mouth disease but may have tested positive for Covid and that was what was indicated to get the funds. So you're wrong. AGAIN.
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The timing was they died of Cancer, Heart Failure, Diabetes, Pneumonia, etc and Hoof and Mouth disease but may have tested positive for Covid and that was what was indicated to get the funds. So you're wrong. AGAIN.
so, how does funding depend on overcounting covid-19 deaths?
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My guess is if we did as you and your fellow knuckle dragging idiots would like and just ignored the whole thing that the number of deaths would be in the millions and our health care system would have broken down long ago. You seem to think you're a big expert in everything because you listen to OANN or whatever. Newsflash, there are folks out there who know more about viruses and epidemiology than you do.
Wild guess here: you didn't miss a single paycheck throughout this fiasco. AmIright?