PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on October 18, 2021, 12:32:53 PM
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A few weeks ago a nurse at our local Florida Hospital reported that the administration ordered that no adverse vaccine reactions be reported and that those admitted with vaccine reactions be listed as unvaccinated.
Now another hospital is doing the same which means a lot more are lying about the vaccine injuries to pander to the senile imposter and his cabinet of criminals.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/17/physicians-asst-whistleblower-reveals-hospital-intake-with-90-percent-vaccinated-patients-and-hospital-administration-refusing-to-report-adverse-events/
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This is Medical Malpractice and FRAUD. People need to start going to jail.
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Let's try a little thought experiment. How many people get ill every day? I imagine a lot, since we have lots of doctors and lots of hospitals and they all appear to stay quite busy. Now we've vaccinated at least one in three Americans, so it stands to reason that those who were going to get sick would do so after they got their vaccine. It is possible that the vaccine itself exacerbated some allowing the illness to come to the fore, but my guess is that it did nothing, and they just got sick after being vaccinated.
Sadly, those without much cognitive function would think that if someone were vaccinated and got hit by a truck, the vaccine causes truck accidents. I've had this conversation over and over. The only reports of this sort of thing are on right wing blogs. Not even an hint of it on Fox News or any other journalistic outlet. Not a hint of it in the scientific literature. First rule of critical thinking is to evaluate the source.
As far as my experience, everyone I know and everyone I work with has been vaccinated. I have yet to hear about one adverse event beyond a sore arm and a little fever.
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I know four people that go wiped out immediately following the vaccination. Two of those people got wiped out after each shot. Worse experience than most people have if they actually got covid-19.
Needless to say, those people were *not* happy. And are very reluctant to have any booster.
otoh - lots of people I know had no adverse reaction. Lots of people, far more than the four that had a bad experience.
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Let's try a little thought experiment. How many people get ill every day? I imagine a lot, since we have lots of doctors and lots of hospitals and they all appear to stay quite busy. Now we've vaccinated at least one in three Americans, so it stands to reason that those who were going to get sick would do so after they got their vaccine. It is possible that the vaccine itself exacerbated some allowing the illness to come to the fore, but my guess is that it did nothing, and they just got sick after being vaccinated.
Sadly, those without much cognitive function would think that if someone were vaccinated and got hit by a truck, the vaccine causes truck accidents. I've had this conversation over and over. The only reports of this sort of thing are on right wing blogs. Not even an hint of it on Fox News or any other journalistic outlet. Not a hint of it in the scientific literature. First rule of critical thinking is to evaluate the source.
As far as my experience, everyone I know and everyone I work with has been vaccinated. I have yet to hear about one adverse event beyond a sore arm and a little fever.
Normally yes, evaluate the source. But we are in a situation where all sources are sharply divided and biased one way or the other. There is a lack of truly objective sources of information.
Having said that I agree with you. I'm not saying the vaccines aren't causing injury, I'm saying I don't necessarily believe everything reported after the jab is vaccine caused.
My mother for example. She got the Pfizer vaccine a few months ago. This weekend she had an episode of cardiac arrhythmia. No way in hell do I think the vaccine caused it. She already had congestive heart failure and is 94 years old. SVT is extremely common in such a scenario. There is no doubt in my mind this event would have occurred regardless. And since she spent the night in the hospital, possibly exposed to covid, I'm glad she is vaccinated. Even if it doesn't work as well now, it still gives some protection.
Even in cases where people have reactions immediately after the jab and it seems obvious the vaccine caused it. For example, one woman who died within days of getting vaccinated sure looks suspicious that the vaccine killed her. But turns out she had liver damage, and she had possibly taken a lot of acetaminophen which over time causes liver failure. In this case, maybe she took a bunch of Tylenol for the flu like symptoms the jab gave her, and if she regularly takes a lot of Tylenol, it might have pushed her liver over the edge.
In that case, we can say the vaccine DID cause her death, as the cause of her taking the final fatal dose of Tylenol, but it was not the true cause. If not the jab, she would have succumbed the next time she got a headache and popped a handful of OTC painkillers.
In that case I don't think it's known by the pubic whether she abused Tylenol but we need to remain open to the possibility and in any case, just like an NTSB plane crash investigation, consider all possibilities and collect as much evidence as we can to objectively get at the truth.
We don't do that when we make quick assumptions about cause/effect just because of chronological alignment. But neither can we dismiss the possibility the vaccine caused the injury. In every case they need to do a full and objective investigation. Unfortunately I don't know if anyone is doing that, it seems everyone has a bias one way or the other. This is a deplorable result of allowing covid to become politicized.
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In other words think and research yourself, novel thought ;D
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Let's try a little thought experiment. How many people get ill every day? I imagine a lot, since we have lots of doctors and lots of hospitals and they all appear to stay quite busy. Now we've vaccinated at least one in three Americans, so it stands to reason that those who were going to get sick would do so after they got their vaccine. It is possible that the vaccine itself exacerbated some allowing the illness to come to the fore, but my guess is that it did nothing, and they just got sick after being vaccinated.
Sadly, those without much cognitive function would think that if someone were vaccinated and got hit by a truck, the vaccine causes truck accidents. I've had this conversation over and over. The only reports of this sort of thing are on right wing blogs. Not even an hint of it on Fox News or any other journalistic outlet. Not a hint of it in the scientific literature. First rule of critical thinking is to evaluate the source.
As far as my experience, everyone I know and everyone I work with has been vaccinated. I have yet to hear about one adverse event beyond a sore arm and a little fever.
Can you name the “right wing blogs” that you consulted to arrive at this conclusion?
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Can you name the “right wing blogs” that you consulted to arrive at this conclusion?
Most of them are the ones here.
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Most of them are the ones here.
The bullshit boy troll is back.?
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The bullshit boy troll is back.?
It's a school day. He has nothing better to do.
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Most of them are the ones here.
So you never really read that on “right wing blogs.” Got it. Good for your credibility.
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Nothing to see here......move right along.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/hiding-osha-announces-will-not-enforce-policy-requires-employers-record-workers-adverse-reactions-covid-19-vaccine-least-may-2022/
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The only reports of this sort of thing are on right wing blogs. Not even an hint of it on Fox News or any other journalistic outlet. Not a hint of it in the scientific literature. First rule of critical thinking is to evaluate the source.
(Q) Can you name the “right wing blogs” that you consulted to arrive at this conclusion?
(A) Most of them are the ones here.
In the REAL WORLD that's a fucking lie, told by a fucking liar.
You're so full of shit your breath stinks.
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Communists (democrats) have an interesting habit of putting integrity on with Velcro.
The fake follow the science bullshit is an excellent example.
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Dude was badly misquoted.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/27/fact-check-false-claim-vaccines-attributed-nobel-prize-winner/7435564002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/27/fact-check-false-claim-vaccines-attributed-nobel-prize-winner/7435564002/)
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Dude was badly misquoted.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/27/fact-check-false-claim-vaccines-attributed-nobel-prize-winner/7435564002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/27/fact-check-false-claim-vaccines-attributed-nobel-prize-winner/7435564002/)
Right in line there associate perfesser. You totally miss the message.
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Right in line there associate perfesser. You totally miss the message.
There are good reasons so many of his students hate mikey's guts.
He really misses reality, legitimacy and honesty so often it's painful sometimes to read his posts.
However...
The blatant narrative and never ending plagiarism from him is occasionally worth a good belly laugh, so there's that.
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https://www.ehealthme.com/vaccine/johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine/side-effects/
https://www.ehealthme.com/vaccine/moderna-covid-vaccine/side-effects/
https://www.ehealthme.com/vs/pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/nail-ridging/
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Nail ridging?
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Nail ridging?
Don't know why it comes up like that, but go down 3/4 of the page and it list all of the reactions to the vaccine.
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Don't know why it comes up like that, but go down 3/4 of the page and it list all of the reactions to the vaccine.
There’s extremely high noise to signal in there.
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There’s extremely high noise to signal in there.
Possibly. Again, because of censorship, big pharma and their lobbyist, and a dysfunctional government who relies on medical opinions of politicians over those in the medical field, getting reliable information and data is next to impossible (by design).
By going through source after source we may be able to glean some meaningful information.
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The difference between having a side effect because of a vaccine and having a side effect with a vaccine is ignored, as usual. That is the science to pay attention to.
Wolf has been cried too many times.
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From the UK
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf
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From the UK
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf
Didn’t see anything in there about adverse reactions, including deaths. Must have missed it.
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Didn’t see anything in there about adverse reactions, including deaths. Must have missed it.
Yea, kinda odd all those vaccinated ending up in the hospital.
Oh wait! We've been instructed that doesn't happen. Nevermind.
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Didn’t see anything in there about adverse reactions, including deaths. Must have missed it.
The document states within the first two paragraphs of the Summary section that adverse reactions are covered by the MHRA. It supplies a URL link associated with MHRA abbreviation that takes you to a page that has info and some stats on reported adverse reactions.
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I've heard this bit about adverse vaccine reactions a number of times. I went looking. Of course you guys can find blogs claiming it, but you can find blogs claiming anything. Went to Fox News. My thinking was that adverse viral reactions play to their demographic. If there were documented viral adverse events Fox News would be screaming about them. Not a hint of it. Nothing in the scientific literature. Nothing anywhere. I categorize this as that much more conspiracy theory, just like that Q Anon business.
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That's ok.
Mikey, flynn and Pete will be along to remind us that those scam vaccines injuries are nothing...
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“Trust the science” is a euphemism for “shut up and do what you’re told”.
True science is constantly questioning and reevaluating. All total through history, more scientific conclusions have been proven wrong than right. To ban and censor scientists who question “settled science” has always been associated with political oppression.
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The CDC hosts a database called Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - VAERS. VAERS was established by law (forget which, but it was a long time ago). It's notoriously difficult to parse, you have to know what you're looking for before you go looking. But there are other databases that ingest VAERS data, targeting specifically for COVID-19 adverse events. Many of them are internet searchable.
Never having heard of an adverse reaction is disingenuous or willfully ignorant.
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The thing to bear in mind about VAERS is that it is voluntary reporting. So one can’t really estimate a rate accurately from it. It was intended as sort of a catchment mechanism for new types of events.
Also a lot of what are reported as vaccine injuries are things that might have occurred anyway in non-immunized people. So one has to look carefully to try and estimate increased rates in the immunized.
This has been done in some cases, such as for cardiomyopathy, and it appears there is an excess of 1-2 per million in teenage males.
Unfortunately we don’t have as good a reporting as would be optimal but I always figure, to be conservative, about a 10 per million serious adverse event rate, which likely depends on age and gender.
If you compare that to the risk of dying from COVID-19, I always figure a rough guideline is that the risks outweigh the benefits if you are under 29. But this is just rough given the limited data.
Given these variables and uncertainties I don’t think there is any justification for immunizing children or vaccine mandates.