Post by: nddons on April 03, 2017, 11:54:31 AM
At what point will people start going to prison for this public corruption?
Trump can start draining the swamp by having our Attorney General start charging public officials with corruption and sending them to prison. That would include Rice, Huma Abedin, Lois Lerner, etc etc.
Typical Washington comity says to let such thing go so they aren't characterized as political witch trials, ala some third world shitholes. Fuck that. Someone needs to start paying the price for political corruption.
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
And look for the fake news to get ratcheted up starting today. Russia, Russia, Russia!
Post by: Little Joe on April 03, 2017, 12:45:32 PM
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Post by: Anthony on April 03, 2017, 12:51:03 PM
Problem is, the liberals control the media, so this will get swept under the rug and hardly discussed. But they will turn it on the republicans, who, as demonstrated over and over, will just sit there and take it.
And look for the fake news to get ratcheted up starting today. Russia, Russia, Russia!
That is the problem. The media, including the entertainment media won't touch it. However, they will bash Trump continuously, and have made Obama a deity. I just saw an example last night on a show I USED to like. The main character said, "Fairness went out with Obama".
Yeah, the media is pretty much on the Russia, Russia, Russia bandwagon.
Post by: LevelWing on April 03, 2017, 12:58:34 PM
Our system has worked all this time because we voluntarily relinquish power and don't try to subvert an entire administration and ensure they fail. If true, this isn't American. This isn't who we are.
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Of course, the liberals will say this is campaign related and AG Sessions must recuse himself..............
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
Post by: LevelWing on April 03, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/flashback-susan-rice-said-i-know-nothing-unmasking-trump-officials/She's the same one who went around all the Sunday talk shows stating that Benghazi was the result of a video. Besides, she's not going to go on national television and admit she did something illegal.
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
She's the same one who went around all the Sunday talk shows stating that Benghazi was the result of a video. Besides, she's not going to go on national television and admit she did something illegal.
Because.................Russia!
Post by: nddons on April 03, 2017, 01:49:22 PM
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/flashback-susan-rice-said-i-know-nothing-unmasking-trump-officials/Am I the only one who, every damned time I see "freebeacon.com", thinks I'm really reading "Free Bacon!"
Post by: Little Joe on April 03, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Am I the only one who, every damned time I see "freebeacon.com", thinks I'm really reading "Free Bacon!"Uh, yeah. I think you are the only one.
Post by: PaulS on April 03, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
Am I the only one who, every damned time I see "freebeacon.com", thinks I'm really reading "Free Bacon!"
Russian Bacon???
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 03:28:55 PM
Post by: Little Joe on April 03, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
Russian Bacon???Bernie Bacon?
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2017, 03:41:50 PM
A.B. Stoddard is spinning at max rpm on Foxnews trying to spin away this story.
Just said that to my wife :) She tried to turn it to Nunes.
Post by: nddons on April 03, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Russian Bacon???
Post by: acrogimp on April 03, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
Fucking pathetic.
'Gimp
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2017, 05:48:52 AM
The potential truth of this story appears to rival Watergate, only there is no Woodward and Bernstein because the bad actors aren't Republicans.
It is pathetic. I am really tired of the institutional bias we face daily from the Media, Entertainment, Sports (yes, they are all the media), Education at all levels, and rank and file government. The self hate, and hate of America, and its values, fueled by misguided guilt, and self righteousness, is getting OLD. If you want another Europe, MOVE THERE.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2017, 07:04:58 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2017, 09:56:41 AM
We are truly seeing the death of the Republic right before our very eyes. The media is so in bed with the Democrats that they truly could kill someone and the media would not cover it.
Post by: Steingar on April 04, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
An Independent Prosecutor is a damn good idea. Let him or her investigate the leaks along with what got leaked. Give the counsel a broad mandate, get at the truth. This story sin't going away any time soon. Were Trump the least bit intelligent he'd bet out in front of it, but I don't expect that to happen ever. Perhaps his minions in Congress can stall long enough for the story to die, but I have doubts.
The saddest thing is I bet there is really nothing to it at all. I bet the cover-up is far worse than the crime. Flynn will only be the first victim, which is a real shame. From the sounds of it I don't think he did anything wrong. I wish they'd give him his immunity. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2017, 10:57:44 AM
You guys are amazing. The Russians create a giant refugee crisis by overruling our proposed intervention and then bombing civilians in Syria. Once the refugee crisis hits the EU they do everything they can to destabilize it including rigging local elections. And now that there's intel that perhaps they had a hand in rigging our election all you guys want to do is indite whoever leaked the intel. The Russians interfered in our election and you guys don't give a crap because your Cheto Jesus won. I never in my life would have believed that the GOP could be soft on the Russians. We might have won the Cold War, but Putin is winning the peace. You guys are such stooges for the Russkies, its unbelievable. And they're going to win, too. They're going to keep on rigging elections, they think Democracy is some sort of joke and you guys are the punch line. You really think the world will be more secure with an ascendant China and destabilized EU? Because that's what the Mango Man is giving you.I see Joseph McCarthy has risen from the dead. Welcome to Pilot Spin, Joe.
An Independent Prosecutor is a damn good idea. Let him or her investigate the leaks along with what got leaked. Give the counsel a broad mandate, get at the truth. This story sin't going away any time soon. Were Trump the least bit intelligent he'd bet out in front of it, but I don't expect that to happen ever. Perhaps his minions in Congress can stall long enough for the story to die, but I have doubts.
The saddest thing is I bet there is really nothing to it at all. I bet the cover-up is far worse than the crime. Flynn will only be the first victim, which is a real shame. From the sounds of it I don't think he did anything wrong. I wish they'd give him his immunity. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
You can have your inquiries all you want. Knock yourself out. And by all means start your own fucking thread about the Russians.
MY OP was about a different government - OUR government - interfering with an election, and potentially the peaceful transition of power from one administration to the next.
YOU may be OK with having a branch of the government spying on their political opponents, but I'm not. It's felonious, and people need to go to prison. Period.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2017, 10:58:53 AM
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
You guys are amazing. The Russians create a giant refugee crisis by overruling our proposed intervention and then bombing civilians in Syria. Once the refugee crisis hits the EU they do everything they can to destabilize it including rigging local elections. And now that there's intel that perhaps they had a hand in rigging our election all you guys want to do is indite whoever leaked the intel. The Russians interfered in our election and you guys don't give a crap because your Cheto Jesus won. I never in my life would have believed that the GOP could be soft on the Russians. We might have won the Cold War, but Putin is winning the peace. You guys are such stooges for the Russkies, its unbelievable. And they're going to win, too. They're going to keep on rigging elections, they think Democracy is some sort of joke and you guys are the punch line. You really think the world will be more secure with an ascendant China and destabilized EU? Because that's what the Mango Man is giving you.I think both should be investigated. Liberals think only the stuff that will hurt Trump should be investigated.
An Independent Prosecutor is a damn good idea. Let him or her investigate the leaks along with what got leaked. Give the counsel a broad mandate, get at the truth. This story sin't going away any time soon. Were Trump the least bit intelligent he'd bet out in front of it, but I don't expect that to happen ever. Perhaps his minions in Congress can stall long enough for the story to die, but I have doubts.
The saddest thing is I bet there is really nothing to it at all. I bet the cover-up is far worse than the crime. Flynn will only be the first victim, which is a real shame. From the sounds of it I don't think he did anything wrong. I wish they'd give him his immunity. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2017, 11:16:40 AM
Michael, what is the evidence that Russia "rigged" the election? IF the Democrats knew of any it would be all over the media. Where is it? How did they do it? Did they tamper with every voting machine in America?
Exactly. Every time I hear the DNC talking point "Russians meddled with our election" I ask one simple basic question: "Please tell us exactly how the Russians meddled in our election?", then follow it up with "Exactly what did they do to "influence the outcome of the election?"
Then sit back and watch the deer in the headlights effect. Why? Because there is no answer. If you are a liberal, just keep repeating "The Russians meddled in our election" and hope people don't ask questions.
What is shaping up is this: The Obama Administration did not plan on going quietly away. Coming from the top, the inteeligence was unmasked and the administration began spying on the Trump campaign. This started just after Trump won the nomination. The hope at this point was to get enough inside information to sink his campaign. Didn't happen.
Then, on election day Trump (and the American voters) pulled off a win that the dems and the Administration didn't see coming. Now intelligence is stepping up looking for anything and everything to sink the incoming president. This was exactly when the "Russians interfering in the campaign" rumors started. Also, not long afterwards (as reported in the NYT) this is when the eaves dropping on Flynn happened and was leaked. Also, as Obama is leaving he readjust the intel regulations so that leaking would be made easier.
This has Obama's and Jarrett's dirty finger prints all over it.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
Exactly. Every time I hear the DNC talking point "Russians meddled with our election" I ask one simple basic question: "Please tell us exactly how the Russians meddled in our election?", then follow it up with "Exactly what did they do to "influence the outcome of the election?"
Then sit back and watch the deer in the headlights effect. Why? Because there is no answer. If you are a liberal, just keep repeating "The Russians meddled in our election" and hope people don't ask questions.
What is shaping up is this: The Obama Administration did not plan on going quietly away. Coming from the top, the inteeligence was unmasked and the administration began spying on the Trump campaign. This started just after Trump won the nomination. The hope at this point was to get enough inside information to sink his campaign. Didn't happen.
Then, on election day Trump (and the American voters) pulled off a win that the dems and the Administration didn't see coming. Now intelligence is stepping up looking for anything and everything to sink the incoming president. This was exactly when the "Russians interfering in the campaign" rumors started. Also, not long afterwards (as reported in the NYT) this is when the eaves dropping on Flynn happened and was leaked. Also, as Obama is leaving he readjust the intel regulations so that leaking would be made easier.
This has Obama's and Jarrett's dirty finger prints all over it.
Yep. Basically, it is a misinformation, actually a DISINFORMATION campaign to torpedo Trump with help from a very, very complicit media. So if they can't win through elections, or packing courts with activist judges (they are winning that one) then use the media to spread lies to influence public opinion, and hope for a public outcry. Nice Dems. Way to be immoral, unethical, and illegal.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
BTW Michael, Podestsa was not hacked, he gave away his password in a phishing attack.
Post by: Steingar on April 04, 2017, 11:51:07 AM
Michael, what is the evidence that Russia "rigged" the election? IF the Democrats knew of any it would be all over the media. Where is it? How did they do it? Did they tamper with every voting machine in America?
Right now its intelligence leaks showing that during the election a number of individuals within Hair Fueher's inner cabal met with Russian intelligence officials linked to their cyber espionage effort. Even I admit it is at this point tenuous, but the potential conclusions are so damning that the truth really needs to come out.
Look, I readily admit there could be nothing at all to this story. Most of those involved already had dealings with Russia, so it comes as no surprise that they would be talking to Russian officials. But it happened during the election, and given the Russians known role in leaking Democratic E-mails there is plenty of smoke. Says me get at the truth and put out the fire.
The problem is Trump himself. Everything he does makes himself and those around him look guilty. Claims of "fake news", misdirecting the story, lashing out at journalists for doing their job. I still think there's nothing to it, Trump is sufficiently inept to keep a story like this going for a long time. And I suspect the story is going to play for a long time. The GOP spun out Benghazi as long as they could, I suspect the Dems are going to be able to play this one for a long, long time. Potential Russian interference in a Presidential election is a hairy big deal.
Like I said, better to get out in front of it.
Then again, this is nothing compared to the shitstorm that's going to hit when the Dems win the midterm elections. I predict Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to them. Thing is, none of his inner circle has really complied with ethics regulations pertaining to government employees. They all still have business dealings that could easily be effected by their functions in government, a huge no no. Trump himself is immune, but his pals aren't. Once the Dems take over the Congress I'd expect to see lots of investigations, and if you think this stuff is ugly now...
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2017, 11:58:16 AM
Michael is just repeating the latest talking points. The Democrats still can't get over the fact that Hillary truly sucked as a candidate and that they had abandoned the middle class in favor of the Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims and LBGT groups. The middle class taught them a big fucking lesson and they can't stand it.
You forgot the urban elitists (limousine liberals), and urban/suburban folks in general who would vote for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., if their name was followed by a "D".
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BTW Michael, Podestsa was not hacked, he gave away his password in a phishing attack.
And one can blame the lack of discipline, and/or intelligence of someone that gives away their credentials to a fake source.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2017, 12:55:15 PM
Right now its intelligence leaks showing that during the election a number of individuals within Hair Fueher's inner cabal met with Russian intelligence officials linked to their cyber espionage effort.
Please elaborate. What "cyber espionage" was committed by the Russian Intelligence with regards to supposedly helping Trump?
But it happened during the election, and given the Russians known role in leaking Democratic E-mails there is plenty of smoke. Says me get at the truth and put out the fire.
Can you point us to any evidence that the Russians "leaked" Democratic e-mails? That would certainly be news, because (a) The party responsible for those leaks, WikiLeaks, has already stated many times that there was no state sponsor of those leaks, rather they came from someone inside of the DNC, and (b) the Podesta leaks were because Podesta used the password "password" for his Gmail account and he fell for a phishing scheme.
Also, on the DNC front, the FBI wanted to go in and look at their servers to find out if there was any foriegn government hacking, and the DNC refused access.
So your statement is nonsense bullshit rambling with no basis in fact.
The problem is Trump himself. Everything he does makes himself and those around him look guilty. Claims of "fake news", misdirecting the story, lashing out at journalists for doing their job. I still think there's nothing to it, Trump is sufficiently inept to keep a story like this going for a long time. And I suspect the story is going to play for a long time. The GOP spun out Benghazi as long as they could, I suspect the Dems are going to be able to play this one for a long, long time. Potential Russian interference in a Presidential election is a hairy big deal.
Uh, no. The problem with Trump (for uber liberals) is that he doesn't take their shit and dishes it right back to them. And he doesn't take shit from the Corrupt Media. This infuriates the liberals because he won't behave the way they want him too.
Then again, this is nothing compared to the shitstorm that's going to hit when the Dems win the midterm elections. I predict Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to them. Thing is, none of his inner circle has really complied with ethics regulations pertaining to government employees. They all still have business dealings that could easily be effected by their functions in government, a huge no no. Trump himself is immune, but his pals aren't. Once the Dems take over the Congress I'd expect to see lots of investigations, and if you think this stuff is ugly now...
The dems have lost seats in this country in epic proportions due to the failures of their policies and the hijacking of their party by extremist liberal progressives. In reality the Democrat Party is but a shell of itself, and as people are witnessing their unhinged attempts to over throw the present government, look for more Republican and conservative victories in the mid terms.
Had the Progressive Liberals have kept themselves from becoming unhinged and maintained their composure, they may have had a chance, but they have exposed themselves and their true agendas.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
Please elaborate. What "cyber espionage" was committed by the Russian Intelligence with regards to supposedly helping Trump?Add in the Dem's complete abandonment of moderate, middle class working whites as a voting block in exchange for every aggrieved group under the sun, and you get their massive electoral collapse.
Can you point us to any evidence that the Russians "leaked" Democratic e-mails? That would certainly be news, because (a) The party responsible for those leaks, WikiLeaks, has already stated many times that there was no state sponsor of those leaks, rather they came from someone inside of the DNC, and (b) the Podesta leaks were because Podesta used the password "password" for his Gmail account and he fell for a phishing scheme.
Also, on the DNC front, the FBI wanted to go in and look at their servers to find out if there was any foriegn government hacking, and the DNC refused access.
So your statement is nonsense bullshit rambling with no basis in fact.
Uh, no. The problem with Trump (for uber liberals) is that he doesn't take their shit and dishes it right back to them. And he doesn't take shit from the Corrupt Media. This infuriates the liberals because he won't behave the way they want him too.
The dems have lost seats in this country in epic proportions due to the failures of their policies and the hijacking of their party by extremist liberal progressives. In reality the Democrat Party is but a shell of itself, and as people are witnessing their unhinged attempts to over throw the present government, look for more Republican and conservative victories in the mid terms.
Had the Progressive Liberals have kept themselves from becoming unhinged and maintained their composure, they may have had a chance, but they have exposed themselves and their true agendas.
If not for a few counties in New York and California, Trump would have won the popular vote by a wide margin. You can't formulate national policy based upon the population of a few cloistered enclaves of hyper libs.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2017, 01:13:09 PM
You can't formulate national policy based upon the population of a few cloistered enclaves of hyper libs.Well, you could, but it would be an unmitigated disaster.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Well, you could, but it would be an unmitigated disaster.Liberal lawmaking has been just that - based upon their east and west coast echo chambers, and their utter disregard for "flyover country."
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
Liberal lawmaking has been just that - based upon their east and west coast echo chambers, and their utter disregard for "flyover country."
Under Obama, these small enclaves of Progressives literally ruled the country. NYC & Burbs, and L.A. and burbs. Yes there are other metro areas that are influential, but these two take the lib cake. This is why Trump won. There is a large cross section of society that doesn't care about every progressive cause known to man, and just wants to live, and let live. Jobs, families, school, careers, hobbies, avocations, charitable work, etc all take precedent over worrying about what others do, or say.
The media, and Left (same thing) are just angry complainers worried about every little thing someone else does, or says. They are looking to be offended to have some type of self righteous meaning in their lives. They want to matter, maybe more to themselves than anyone. They are the same people complaining about the noise, and danger from those "damn little planes", legally owned guns, man made climate change, refugees, illegals, evil corporations (mostly lib themselves), Wall Street (funds Dems like Hillary), the plight of the LGBT crowd, women's "rights", etc. They can all go jump in a lake for all I care. :)
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2017, 06:48:27 PM
The Alt Left has really come unhinged.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2017, 07:39:03 PM
The stupidity being bandied abut by the far left is truly epic and epically idiotic.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 05, 2017, 07:30:57 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2017, 09:30:58 AM
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On Tuesday’s edition of Hardball, MSNBC host Chris Matthews and MSNBC political analyst/Mother Jones D.C. bureau chief David Corn were unglued over the Susan Rice “unmasking” controversy, suggesting that it was racist and sexist for these accusations to be leveled at the former National Security Adviser because she’s never done anything wrong.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2017/04/04/msnbcs-matthews-corn-meltdown-claim-susan-rice-unmasking
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Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Thing is, the crucial thing about the Trump campaign was its contacts with the Russians during the campaign. Contacts during the transition, after the election, were pretty understandable and I imagine happen in every administration.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
So far I've not seen any evidence to suggest the accused actually did what she was accused of, just that she sought the information while on the job.
Rice is a political appointee. The unmasking has to be done to protect national security and US citizens have rights under the US Constitution. Unmasking for political purposes is wrong, and illegal.
But one can't unmask on a verbal, it must be written. And all access to national security docs is logged and accounted for, so there will be a paper trail.
Don't know why, but there could have been plenty of good reasons.
Unless it has to do with national security, such as an imminent attack or a threat to national security any other "reasons" are illegal.
I haven't seen a memo, or any other smoking gun linking her to the report.
You have a Top Secret clearance and access to national intel documents? The people who have, such as on the Congressional National Security Committee have and they have seen the documents and have commented on them. They go back as far as when Trump was nominated.
But just the innuendo is enough for conservacrats, while the smoke surrounding Trump and his minions goes ignored.
Alt Left Talking point.
Thing is, the crucial thing about the Trump campaign was its contacts with the Russians during the campaign. Contacts during the transition, after the election, were pretty understandable and I imagine happen in every administration.
Hillary had contact with the Russians. So did Bill Clinton. So did Podesta. Funny we don't see the Alt Left MSM going nuts or even caring about that.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2017, 11:23:28 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa
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So far I've not seen any evidence blah blah blah blah.........................
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Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
Here you go, Steingar. This should fill in those holes that you claim to see.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa
I read that article last night. While good points are made, Watergate involved breaking and entering. A clearly illegal activity that cascaded into the impeachment of Nixon. The article didn't actually attempt to claim a crime by Rice. There may be one, but so far there is about as much evidence of that as there is of any crime committed by anyone in the Trump campaign - or by the Russians. I guess if one side is making smoke the other can too.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2017, 07:10:45 PM
I read that article last night. While good points are made, Watergate involved breaking and entering. A clearly illegal activity that cascaded into the impeachment of Nixon.
Nixon was never impeached.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
Nixon was never impeached.
Yeah, meant to write "impeachment process".
Post by: Anthony on April 06, 2017, 05:47:58 AM
I read that article last night. While good points are made, Watergate involved breaking and entering. A clearly illegal activity that cascaded into the Watergate hearings, and resignation of Nixon.
Slight modification above. Well, if Nixon hadn't been told about the break in, and then tried to cover it up, then there would have been no "crime".
If Bill Clinton hadn't lied under oath about Monica Lewinsky, as the Democrats/liberals/Progressives, and media like to say, then it would have really just been about sex. That DID lead to his impeachment. The cover up always gets them.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2017, 05:58:37 AM
Slight modification above. Well, if Nixon hadn't been told about the break in, and then tried to cover it up, then there would have been no "crime".
If Bill Clinton hadn't lied under oath about Monica Lewinsky, then as the Democrats/liberals/Progressives, and media say, then it would have really just been about sex. That DID lead to his impeachment. The cover up always gets them.
This is what we will see unfolding in the Obama/Rice scandal in the next few months. If Rice followed protocol there will be a paper trail that will clearly show a crime was committed against private citizens. The question then becomes will Rice fall on her sword to protect Obama/Jarrett or will she throw them to the wolves to gain immunity.
On the other side, if the paper trail cannot be established, we have an even bigger crime going on in the Intel community. Obama had weaponized the Intel community and now it will be up to the current Administration to start weeding out those that are corrupt.
As I've said before, it will take this country many years to undo the damage left by Obama. We are now starting to see just how bad it is, and before this year is out we will see even more bizarre crap leftover by BHO and the communist.
Post by: Anthony on April 06, 2017, 06:06:54 AM
As I've said before, it will take this country many years to undo the damage left by Obama. We are now starting to see just how bad it is, and before this year is out we will see even more bizarre crap leftover by BHO and the communist.
As you know it didn't start with Obama. I won't go back as far as Lincoln (state's rights destruction), nor the FDR fiasco of the New Deal, and packed Supreme Court, but I will go back as far as LBJ when Democrats became big government, socialist, wealth transferors, and identity politics goons.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2017, 06:45:35 AM
As you know it didn't start with Obama. I won't go back as far as Lincoln (state's rights destruction), nor the FDR fiasco of the New Deal, and packed Supreme Court, but I will go back as far as LBJ when Democrats became big government, socialist, wealth transferors, and identity politics goons.
I agree, but Obama has done more damage (IMO) that will take years, if not decades to correct. And we are only starting to see the surface of the corruption his administration instilled into the federal government.
Just wait to see what comes up next.
Post by: nddons on April 06, 2017, 07:20:10 AM
I read that article last night. While good points are made, Watergate involved breaking and entering. A clearly illegal activity that cascaded into the impeachment of Nixon. The article didn't actually attempt to claim a crime by Rice. There may be one, but so far there is about as much evidence of that as there is of any crime committed by anyone in the Trump campaign - or by the Russians. I guess if one side is making smoke the other can too.The question of Watergate was NOT the putting of tape over the bolt on a lock on a door in the Watergate Hotel. That is simplistic irrelevance.
The essence of Watergate was the spying on political opponents by agents of the Executive Branch of the US government. Tell me how that is different from what agents for Obama did to the Trump campaign.
What made this worse was that the knowledge that was gained by Rice was INTENTIONALLY uncovered by Rice (this is not in dispute - she admitted it) and then "someone" releasing that information to the press, for the sole purpose of destroying either candidate Trump, nominee Trump, or President-elect Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2017, 02:38:58 PM
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During a recent interview with Democracy Now, Noam Chomsky demonstrated what everyone with a clear head and capacity for critical thought should already know. Just because you have a strong dislike for Donald Trump, doesn’t mean you latch on like a lunatic to every nonsensical Russia conspiracy theory because you’re still crying about Hillary’s loss.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
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FoxNews.com investigative reporter Malia Zimmerman told Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" Thursday evening that former national security adviser Susan Rice left "a very extensive paper trail" of unmasking requests related to members of President Trump's transition team.
"Every time they go into the system, from what I’m told, there’s a log, there’s a record of that," Zimmerman told host Bill O'Reilly. "And so, that would provide the date of the document, what it was regarding, and the name that was supposed to be unmasked through that process.
"So, it's probably a gold mine of information if the House and Senate [intelligence committees] can get it."
Zimmerman added that U.S. intelligence agencies had been "stonewalling" lawmakers following a public hearing into Trump's "wiretapping" allegations last month.
"During that hearing, there were 100 questions that weren’t answered and they were supposed to come back into private session and that was never done," Zimmerman said. "And there’s been, from what we were told, all kinds of excuses as to why [FBI Director] James Comey hasn’t come back, and really no response on several of the questions."
Post by: acrogimp on April 07, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
It could conceivably end up being someone like Hannity or Malkin but I hope it is more reporter, less talking head - this is a huge story that needs to be reported bigly.
'Gimp
Post by: Anthony on April 07, 2017, 10:15:54 AM
Mark my words, someone at Fox or a particularly brave MSM reporter is going to be the next Woodward and Bernstein, and when they blow this story wide open it will, ultimately, be bigger than Watergate - the politicization of the US Intelligence apparatus to try and torpedo a domestic Presidential election and then sabotage the victor.
It could conceivably end up being someone like Hannity or Malkin but I hope it is more reporter, less talking head - this is a huge story that needs to be reported bigly.
'Gimp
Fox News, and conservative talk radio are just a small percentage of viewers/listeners. Without the mainstream media, NBC (Comcast, MSNBC, etc), CBS, ABC, PBS, NYT, Washpo, LA Times, etc it will go NOWHERE, and just be labeled as the vast Right Wing conspiracy. The reason Nixon got skewered was he was a Republican, and there was no alternative media at the time anyway.