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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: elwood blues on August 22, 2022, 08:12:15 PM

Title: Us vs. Them
Post by: elwood blues on August 22, 2022, 08:12:15 PM
We're going to need to actually fight these people at some point, through legal means and the courts of course.  Oh totally legal and civil.


This comment from the Liz Cheney thread deserves its own thread.  The differences between the two sides are too great, irreconcilable, and irreparable.  There is no going back to the way we want it to be.  The country that we loved and grew up in, is no more.  We will have to fight and we will have to win.  If we don't, we'll either get crushed or subjugated and the entire world will fall into darkness.

It's hard to co-exist with things that want to kill you. -- Hobbes

Our own government is in the process of forming an army whose sole purpose is to subjugate its own citizens.  Think about that.
So, what do we do?  We can't just sit and do nothing.  We're going to have to fight.  I believe that we'll prevail, because we are on the side of reason and sanity, and their proposal is completely unworkable, but we're going to have to fight.
I believe the republic will be saved, but it will not be saved in Washington DC.  It will be saved in the cities and and in the streets, and it may not look like the country we knew, but we're going to have to fight.


Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2022, 02:17:51 AM
And it will have to get a lot worse, really bad in fact, before it gets better. However, these elite Royals are starting to burst a lot of comfort bubbles now, for their own personal gain and consolidation of power.  That's why they've brainwashed many people into thinking our measly little, legal firearms are BAD.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2022, 03:51:39 AM
The assault against gasoline powered automobiles in favor of lithium powered battery vehicles is so obviously an attempt to make slaves of the United States to china that it's frightening to see the number of folks who have no clue as to who is pulling the strings,

Lithium is mined by child slaves for the most part, living in inhumane conditions, beaten, starved and poisoned by exposure. china owns the rights to much of the world's lithium and just when the left succeeds in forcing automakers to switch to lithium power (provided by child slave trade) the left goes all in trying to normalize child sexual molestation.

It's not an accident of timing,

china is the enemy, and the left is their bitch.

We either fight them off, or die under their boot.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2022, 04:33:45 AM
The assault against gasoline powered automobiles in favor of lithium powered battery vehicles is so obviously an attempt to make slaves of the United States to china that it's frightening to see the number of folks who have no clue as to who is pulling the strings,

Lithium is mined by child slaves for the most part, living in inhumane conditions, beaten, starved and poisoned by exposure. china owns the rights to much of the world's lithium and just when the left succeeds in forcing automakers to switch to lithium power (provided by child slave trade) the left goes all in trying to normalize child sexual molestation.

It's not an accident of timing,

china is the enemy, and the left is their bitch.

We either fight them off, or die under their boot.
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Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2022, 07:14:20 AM
Australian banks have announced the will no longer finance new internal combustion engine cars NOR HYBRIDS after 2025.  Watch European and U.S. banks follow.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 23, 2022, 07:20:09 AM
Australian banks have announced the will no longer finance new internal combustion engine cars NOR HYBRIDS after 2025.  Watch European and U.S. banks follow.

good thing I don't need to finance my cars...
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2022, 08:09:01 AM
good thing I don't need to finance my cars...

Tell me about it.  NEVER finance a car.  Not if you want to ever get unpoor.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 23, 2022, 08:44:24 AM
Australian banks have announced the will no longer finance new internal combustion engine cars NOR HYBRIDS after 2025.  Watch European and U.S. banks follow.

Just ONE bank announced that policy. How that news morphed into all the banks in Australia is a mystery.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/loans-for-petrol-and-diesel-cars-to-end-bank-declares/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/loans-for-petrol-and-diesel-cars-to-end-bank-declares/)

"Loans for petrol and diesel cars to end, bank declares

From 2025, one local bank will only offer new-car loans for customers purchasing electric vehicles.
Bank Australia has announced it will be stopping loans for petrol and diesel cars from 2025, with the goal of the customer-owned bank to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2035.
...
However, despite future new-car loans being limited to electric vehicles, the company’s Chief Impact Officer, Sasha Courville, says second-hand cars won’t be subject to the same guidelines.

“While we will cease car loans for new fossil fuel cars from 2025, we are deeply aware that we need to support people not yet able to afford an electric vehicle while the market grows,” Dr Courville said at the announcement."
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: elwood blues on August 23, 2022, 08:50:09 AM
Just ONE bank announced that policy.


Isn't that how everything starts?

This is the problem with our side.  When the left comes up with a crazy idea, we tolerate it when we should be kicking them in the teeth.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2022, 08:51:41 AM

Isn't that how everything starts?

This is the problem with our side.  When the left comes up with a crazy idea, we tolerate it when we should be kicking them in the teeth.

jim likes to rationalize uncomfortable truth away.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2022, 09:03:10 AM
I saw a news report from the UK that a few years ago Greta Thornberg so enthralled the ruling class that they implemented “green” electric generation policies and now the price of electricity is so high in the UK that people are looking at not being able to heat their homes this winter.  Science?  No, all because they listened to a fanatical teenager lecture them about being evil killers of the planet.

Same thing applies to cars, everything that runs on fossil fuel.  Emotional hysteria based on outdated data and misguided assumptions: specifically that the world is headed for overpopulation, pollution disaster and mass starvation because the planet “can’t sustain so many of us”.  Reality, which is only now beginning to hit home with people who are paying attention, is that we are actually heading for a rapid global population collapse.  Not only will we NEVER run out of fossil fuels (unless we start reproducing again which looks unlikely), we face a severe shortage of young people to do the work needed to produce any kind of energy whether green or not.

So the current established power structure is working off of an old ossified worldview from the 1960s pulling us in exactly the opposite direction we need to go!
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 23, 2022, 09:07:38 AM
jim likes to rationalize uncomfortable truth away.

Changing the news from "one bank in a country did something" into the claim "all banks in a country did something" isn't making an uncomfortable truth, it is screwing up or blindly accepting someone else's spin. I'm not immune to screwing up, but do try to make mea culpas when I do screw up.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Just ONE bank announced that policy. How that news morphed into all the banks in Australia is a mystery.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/loans-for-petrol-and-diesel-cars-to-end-bank-declares/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/loans-for-petrol-and-diesel-cars-to-end-bank-declares/)

"Loans for petrol and diesel cars to end, bank declares

From 2025, one local bank will only offer new-car loans for customers purchasing electric vehicles.
Bank Australia has announced it will be stopping loans for petrol and diesel cars from 2025, with the goal of the customer-owned bank to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2035.
...
However, despite future new-car loans being limited to electric vehicles, the company’s Chief Impact Officer, Sasha Courville, says second-hand cars won’t be subject to the same guidelines.

“While we will cease car loans for new fossil fuel cars from 2025, we are deeply aware that we need to support people not yet able to afford an electric vehicle while the market grows,” Dr Courville said at the announcement."

You don't think others will follow as they try to out Woke each other in.an attempt to  continuously Virtue Signal?  I also indicated it was for NEW cars.  Don't worry, Government will eventually make it so difficult to own and maintain ICE cars or just ban them outright that we'll have to buy EVs.

Wanna buy a bridge to Sidney?
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 23, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
You don't think others will follow as they try to out Woke each other in.an attempt to  continuously Virtue Signal?  I also indicated it was for NEW cars.  Don't worry, Government will eventually make it so difficult to own and maintain ICE cars or just ban them outright that we'll have to buy EVs.

Wanna buy a bridge to Sidney?

otoh - maybe their new car loan profits will crash (no pun) and the market will tell them to pound sand.

Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2022, 11:25:52 AM
Woke policies is a cover for companies in bed with communist china.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2022, 11:26:36 AM
Once again y'all have no reason to argue as you are both right.  Now it is one bank.  But yes, the trend seems to be other companies usually end up jumping on board with woke policy.  But now it is only one bank.  But soon it could be more.  But not yet.  But probably maybe soon. But until then...
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Username on August 23, 2022, 12:14:07 PM
We're moving to a subscription model for new cars.  Want seat heat? $10/month.  Remote start? $10/month.  Radio?  $10/month.  "Self driving"? $500/month. Range over 20 miles? $20/mile.  And at some point when the elites decide we're not worthy of having our own transportation, they brick the car.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2022, 12:27:34 PM
We're moving to a subscription model for new cars.  Want seat heat? $10/month.  Remote start? $10/month.  Radio?  $10/month.  "Self driving"? $500/month. Range over 20 miles? $20/mile.  And at some point when the elites decide we're not worthy of having our own transportation, they brick the car.

Steve Lehto talks about that a lot.  The more they pile this shit on the more I’m clinging to my 1986 sedan.  Fuck em.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: jb1842 on August 23, 2022, 01:04:05 PM
We're moving to a subscription model for new cars.  Want seat heat? $10/month.  Remote start? $10/month.  Radio?  $10/month.  "Self driving"? $500/month. Range over 20 miles? $20/mile.  And at some point when the elites decide we're not worthy of having our own transportation, they brick the car.

This will jack up the used car market even more. My 2019 truck is the base model. No extra bells and whistles. I love it. My wife's car has all the crap, and I never use any of it except the heated seats.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
We're moving to a subscription model for new cars.  Want seat heat? $10/month.  Remote start? $10/month.  Radio?  $10/month.  "Self driving"? $500/month. Range over 20 miles? $20/mile.  And at some point when the elites decide we're not worthy of having our own transportation, they brick the car.

This!  They want a constant revenue stream that's consistent and measurable. I went through this in Commercial Real Estate Development.  We switched to still doing that but also managing corporate real estate and being Big Corps real estate department.  So we had a predictable revenue stream plus an in to transactions, projects, leasing, etc  etc etc.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2022, 07:31:13 PM
We're moving to a subscription model for new cars.  Want seat heat? $10/month.  Remote start? $10/month.  Radio?  $10/month.  "Self driving"? $500/month. Range over 20 miles? $20/mile.  And at some point when the elites decide we're not worthy of having our own transportation, they brick the car.
I don’t see the market buying it. This sounds like the double decker airline seat proposal. The consumer still has leverage over the dollar.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2022, 04:39:13 AM
I don’t see the market buying it. This sounds like the double decker airline seat proposal. The consumer still has leverage over the dollar.

In a true free market that would be true.  Capitalism starts out great but eventually the guys at the top become just as disconnected from the masses as does government.  I can’t say I know, but I strongly suspect that all the top dogs of the car manufacturers aren’t down home salt of the earth people but are instead in the same elite urban bubble that believes man made climate change is a thing, AND, are being swept along by the same Big Tech tsunami that has flooded every aspect of all our lives. They think it’s a good thing to have a smart chip in every single small doodad nevermind a large complex machine.

So they all offer the same business model (or will) and in today’s hyper regulated market it’s too hard for a small competitor to enter.  The consumer can’t leverage the dollar unless there’s an alternative choice and in America, not buying a car isn’t an option. (Unless you live in NYC.)
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 24, 2022, 05:04:20 AM
In a true free market that would be true.  Capitalism starts out great but eventually the guys at the top become just as disconnected from the masses as does government. I can’t say I know, but I strongly suspect that all the top dogs of the car manufacturers aren’t down home salt of the earth people but are instead in the same elite urban bubble that believes man made climate change is a thing, AND, are being swept along by the same Big Tech tsunami that has flooded every aspect of all our lives. They think it’s a good thing to have a smart chip in every single small doodad nevermind a large complex machine.

So they all offer the same business model (or will) and in today’s hyper regulated market it’s too hard for a small competitor to enter.  The consumer can’t leverage the dollar unless there’s an alternative choice and in America, not buying a car isn’t an option. (Unless you live in NYC.)

No, the KNOW Man Made Climate Change is not a real concern nor significant threat but they also know many can be brainwashed through propaganda to THINK it is.  They are well aware, as they continue to buy beach front property and fly in private jets justifying it to the masses with Carbon Credits (another scam).
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2022, 05:42:54 AM
No, the KNOW Man Made Climate Change is not a real concern nor significant threat but they also know many can be brainwashed through propaganda to THINK it is.  They are well aware, as they continue to buy beach front property and fly in private jets justifying it to the masses with Carbon Credits (another scam).

You’re right. Their top priority is their own enrichment.  They have no other values.  Maybe even when it seems like they do, like Elon Musk.  Is he genuine?  Switching from voting Dem to voting Republican?  Pro free speech?  Or just doing what’s in his own best interest?  I’m not sure in his case.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 25, 2022, 06:39:04 AM
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2022, 05:01:01 AM


The Real Threat to Democracy

The Emerging Democrat Police State


 
Ray DiLorenzo


Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made headlines nationwide on February 3, 2014, after bluntly telling law students at the University of Hawaii that internment camps to detain Americans would eventually return. Acknowledging that the infamous Supreme Court-approved internment of Japanese-Americans in wretched camps during World War II was wrong, the conservative-leaning justice followed up by adding that “you are kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again.” In “times of war,” Scalia said, citing a Latin expression attributed to Cicero, “the laws fall silent.” 

I have seen some of those camps and they WERE wretched.  Justice Scalia was responding to a question concerning the internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2.  Scalia simply referred to a Supreme Court decision in 1944, Korematsu v. United States, that upheld the internment.  The case involved two Japanese-Americans that failed to report for internment. 

Scalia believed that in a 'time of war' the United States would round up citizens and place them in detention camps.  Scalia also referred to Obama that claimed he had the power to secretly murder US citizens without trial.

What is a 'time of war' and are we living in an emerging police state?  There was a time when wars were declared by Congress not by presidents. General Douglas MacArthur complained that the 'Korean Conflict" was half war with no clear road to victory, saying..."There is no substitute for victory."  Soldiers who died were not half dead.  They were just dead.  How many wars have we fought with no declaration of war?...the Korean war, Vietnam War, the War on Terror, including the Iraq War, Afghanistan, the Gulf War, all totaling 102,000 dead soldiers, and 208,000 wounded.  That is a lot of dead and wounded for 'peacetime.'

We have made war much too easy and much too prolonged.  We start a conflict and never seem to want to end it.  And when we do end it, we find we have gained little or nothing and lost much.  Of course, the military industrial complex is happy, as President Eisenhower warned would be.

Now we live in a time when politics dictates war.  Our president talks repeatedly of White Supremacy, domestic terrorism.  Where is all of this white supremacy?  Is just being White domestic terrorism?  Has our government 'declared' war on its own people, its political opponents?

The early signs of a police state are here:  weaponizing government institutions against political opponents, The FBI, the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security.  We now lack election security.  Major media outlets drone the government narrative.  We've lost free speech.  The government encourages the spying on neighbors, presidential executive orders are in abundance, cameras are everywhere, there's a war on everything...drugs, terror, COVID-19 that they say require emergency powers, loss of privacy, and prison camps.  Yes, prison camps. During the Obama administration $400 million was given to Haliburton to build detention centers.  Obama was quoted as saying they were being built for 'prolonged detention' of those that might commit acts of terrorism.

Did the early release of thousands of prisoners in the last several years make room for political prisoners? 

Precedent is a powerful tool in government.  What may or may not have been appropriate decades ago can still be used for something totally inappropriate today. The internment of Japanese-Americans was indeed inappropriate, but it can be used to conduct detention today.  The Biden administration has repeatedly announced that our greatest enemy is home-grown domestic terrorism and White supremacy.  Who are these terrorists?... political opponents, Trump supporters, Republicans?

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden has described the GOP as not only  dangerous, but contemptible.  Just over a week ago, Democrat adviser, Kurt Bardella called all Republicans a "domestic terrorist cell."  A writer for The Atlantic, likened the Republican Party to a “dagger pointed at the throat of American democracy.”  Numerous Democrats and news media personalities have accused Republicans and Trump supporters as being a 'threat to our democracy.'  FBI Director Christopher Wray likened the American "Don't Tread On Me" flag as being suspect of violent extremism. One would think a president is an arbiter of political sides, but Biden calls the MAGA movement semi-fascism.  Is this language healthy in the democracy they pretend to want to protect?  What is to stop them from declaring open war on their political opposition?  Have they done it already?  Is civil war on their agenda?

The Dems built up the Jan 6 demonstration to sky-high levels.  All it took to turn a peaceful demonstration against itself was to turn down the offer by President Trump for additional security, have only 25% of the Capitol Police force on duty in and around the Capitol, open the doors of the Capitol building inviting the demonstrators in, put a bunch of BLM and Antifa anarchists into the crowd to stir things up, and shoot a protestor to show calamity.  And there you have it, a wall around the capitol, thousands of troops to underline the 'danger to democracy', and dozens of people languishing in prison without trial, with some dying by suicide.

In a side note, it has been revealed that the Capitol Police Department was warned in an internal memo that BLM hoodlums, dressed as Trump supporters were being bussed in from Baltimore. FreedomWatch

The Democrats tried legislation.  They passed a bill in the House (223-203), The Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act.  Republicans did block it in the Senate with a 47 - 47 vote, failing to gather the 60 votes needed to pass. 

In the mean-time, Democrats are working hard to intervene in Republican primaries, pouring money into candidates they feel can lose to Democrats in the general. The two parties did try to come up with measures that would make elections more secure, but failed to do so.  It seems the only measure that Democrats would agree to was a federal takeover of elections...totally unconstitutional...nothing new for Democrats. I can only imagine their proposals...eliminate the electoral college, more ballots boxes, mail-in voting, no ID required...everything they depend on to win.

Politics is like a sporting event... you win some, you lose some.  But, what if one political party is no longer willing to lose?

Who is the real threat to democracy or more accurate, who is the real threat to our constitutional republic? 

So, are we at war and do we indeed now have a police state?  It depends on what the Democrats want and can't get through legitimate means.  Democrats are determined to transform this nation into a one-party socialist police state any way they can.  This is not politics as usual.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2022, 07:49:05 AM
He's right. We are living in an emerging Police State where people are afraid to speak or post what they think for fear of retribution from our Government.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2022, 09:56:27 AM
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Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 28, 2022, 11:36:19 AM
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Any idiot can become a judge - and most do.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2022, 12:12:42 PM
Any idiot can become a judge - and most do.

Idiot, or intentional?

Quote
He explained the majority's decision means "that anything from recording commentary for YouTube to filming a protest on the National Mall could be illegal without a permit if the creator intends to profit from the footage," the report explained.

So imagine, a protest on the national mall sort of like the Jan 6th protest.  Spectators record what’s happening, and it deflects the narrative of the government and media.  Simple, arrest the videographers and confiscate the phones!  All legal under this ruling. 





Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: jb1842 on August 28, 2022, 02:07:44 PM
Any idiot can become a judge - and most do.

If the public really learned how federal judges really were chosen, they would lose it. There is very few chosen on merit. I know of one who was given a bench just so he wouldn't run for a U.S. Senate seat. He's an idiot, and was so bad as a state Senator, they had to bribe him with the appointment.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2022, 02:31:50 PM
If the public really learned how federal judges really were chosen, they would lose it. There is very few chosen on merit. I know of one who was given a bench just so he wouldn't run for a U.S. Senate seat. He's an idiot, and was so bad as a state Senator, they had to bribe him with the appointment.

  Just more banana republic crap.  Just wait till they start erecting 5 story high billboards with FJB and Kamal Toe's faces on them.  Maybe they'll even require each home to have FJB portraits in them.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 28, 2022, 02:47:59 PM
...Maybe they'll even require each home to have FJB portraits in them.

anything to help the aim when relieving one's self...
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
I'm beginning to think we're fucked six ways to Sunday.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2022, 08:29:43 AM


The Real Threat to Democracy

The Emerging Democrat Police State


 
Ray DiLorenzo


Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made headlines nationwide on February 3, 2014, after bluntly telling law students at the University of Hawaii that internment camps to detain Americans would eventually return. Acknowledging that the infamous Supreme Court-approved internment of Japanese-Americans in wretched camps during World War II was wrong, the conservative-leaning justice followed up by adding that “you are kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again.” In “times of war,” Scalia said, citing a Latin expression attributed to Cicero, “the laws fall silent.” 

I have seen some of those camps and they WERE wretched.  Justice Scalia was responding to a question concerning the internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2.  Scalia simply referred to a Supreme Court decision in 1944, Korematsu v. United States, that upheld the internment.  The case involved two Japanese-Americans that failed to report for internment. 

Scalia believed that in a 'time of war' the United States would round up citizens and place them in detention camps.  Scalia also referred to Obama that claimed he had the power to secretly murder US citizens without trial.

What is a 'time of war' and are we living in an emerging police state?  There was a time when wars were declared by Congress not by presidents. General Douglas MacArthur complained that the 'Korean Conflict" was half war with no clear road to victory, saying..."There is no substitute for victory."  Soldiers who died were not half dead.  They were just dead.  How many wars have we fought with no declaration of war?...the Korean war, Vietnam War, the War on Terror, including the Iraq War, Afghanistan, the Gulf War, all totaling 102,000 dead soldiers, and 208,000 wounded.  That is a lot of dead and wounded for 'peacetime.'

We have made war much too easy and much too prolonged.  We start a conflict and never seem to want to end it.  And when we do end it, we find we have gained little or nothing and lost much.  Of course, the military industrial complex is happy, as President Eisenhower warned would be.

Now we live in a time when politics dictates war.  Our president talks repeatedly of White Supremacy, domestic terrorism.  Where is all of this white supremacy?  Is just being White domestic terrorism?  Has our government 'declared' war on its own people, its political opponents?

The early signs of a police state are here:  weaponizing government institutions against political opponents, The FBI, the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security.  We now lack election security.  Major media outlets drone the government narrative.  We've lost free speech.  The government encourages the spying on neighbors, presidential executive orders are in abundance, cameras are everywhere, there's a war on everything...drugs, terror, COVID-19 that they say require emergency powers, loss of privacy, and prison camps.  Yes, prison camps. During the Obama administration $400 million was given to Haliburton to build detention centers.  Obama was quoted as saying they were being built for 'prolonged detention' of those that might commit acts of terrorism.

Did the early release of thousands of prisoners in the last several years make room for political prisoners? 

Precedent is a powerful tool in government.  What may or may not have been appropriate decades ago can still be used for something totally inappropriate today. The internment of Japanese-Americans was indeed inappropriate, but it can be used to conduct detention today.  The Biden administration has repeatedly announced that our greatest enemy is home-grown domestic terrorism and White supremacy.  Who are these terrorists?... political opponents, Trump supporters, Republicans?

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden has described the GOP as not only  dangerous, but contemptible.  Just over a week ago, Democrat adviser, Kurt Bardella called all Republicans a "domestic terrorist cell."  A writer for The Atlantic, likened the Republican Party to a “dagger pointed at the throat of American democracy.”  Numerous Democrats and news media personalities have accused Republicans and Trump supporters as being a 'threat to our democracy.'  FBI Director Christopher Wray likened the American "Don't Tread On Me" flag as being suspect of violent extremism. One would think a president is an arbiter of political sides, but Biden calls the MAGA movement semi-fascism.  Is this language healthy in the democracy they pretend to want to protect?  What is to stop them from declaring open war on their political opposition?  Have they done it already?  Is civil war on their agenda?

The Dems built up the Jan 6 demonstration to sky-high levels.  All it took to turn a peaceful demonstration against itself was to turn down the offer by President Trump for additional security, have only 25% of the Capitol Police force on duty in and around the Capitol, open the doors of the Capitol building inviting the demonstrators in, put a bunch of BLM and Antifa anarchists into the crowd to stir things up, and shoot a protestor to show calamity.  And there you have it, a wall around the capitol, thousands of troops to underline the 'danger to democracy', and dozens of people languishing in prison without trial, with some dying by suicide.

In a side note, it has been revealed that the Capitol Police Department was warned in an internal memo that BLM hoodlums, dressed as Trump supporters were being bussed in from Baltimore. FreedomWatch

The Democrats tried legislation.  They passed a bill in the House (223-203), The Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act.  Republicans did block it in the Senate with a 47 - 47 vote, failing to gather the 60 votes needed to pass. 

In the mean-time, Democrats are working hard to intervene in Republican primaries, pouring money into candidates they feel can lose to Democrats in the general. The two parties did try to come up with measures that would make elections more secure, but failed to do so.  It seems the only measure that Democrats would agree to was a federal takeover of elections...totally unconstitutional...nothing new for Democrats. I can only imagine their proposals...eliminate the electoral college, more ballots boxes, mail-in voting, no ID required...everything they depend on to win.

Politics is like a sporting event... you win some, you lose some.  But, what if one political party is no longer willing to lose?

Who is the real threat to democracy or more accurate, who is the real threat to our constitutional republic? 

So, are we at war and do we indeed now have a police state?  It depends on what the Democrats want and can't get through legitimate means.  Democrats are determined to transform this nation into a one-party socialist police state any way they can.  This is not politics as usual.
Holy shit. Do you have a link to that article?  I would like to forward it.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2022, 09:11:21 AM
https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-real-threat-to-democracy-the-emerging-democrat-police-state
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on September 03, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Think The Unthinkable

Ray DiLorenzo





As a baby boomer, I was reared by parents that respected authority.  They were parents of The Great Depression.  My grandparents saw the Brooklyn Bridge  being completed (or as my Italian grandmother would say...Brookalino) and were grateful and proud to be new Americans. They knew adversity and heartbreak. They laughed and they cried having lost two of their six children from disease, their eldest daughter to the Spanish Flu at 19, their youngest son from kidney disease at 14, their father (the grandfather I never knew) from an accident on their farm in Northern New Jersey.   

They taught us to respect authority, and we did, but, like many of our generation, with a healthy skepticism.  Maybe because we were so much more educated (we weren't pre-occupied with putting food on the table). We knew of our founding fathers, demanding and fighting to the death, for what they were denied...our God-given natural rights to freedom, self-defense, personal property, free speech, shaping our own future.

Thinking the unthinkable is something we all avoid, forcefully put aside, being unwilling to deal with any ugly truth.  It is hard.  It's especially hard for what is on the news.  Too many people turn it off, or change the channel.  As a writer of current events, I don't have that luxury.  I live with it, suffer with it, deal with it, and hopefully give readers the benefit of time spent in digging, reporting and analyzing. 

Although this article is read in twenty different countries, most of us are proud Americans.  Many of us have bled, watched as others died for this country and much of the world.  We're not perfect and never thought we could be.

And here we are 246 years into the life of our nation, with many of us now thinking the unthinkable.  Could it be that the country we paid a steep price to protect, even took for granted, has turned against us?  It's not just here, but around the world.  Western Civilization is crumbling.

No country or Axis power could defeat the United States and its allies so now we are compelled to commit suicide?

A cabal of godless Globalist Elites have decided, without a vote, without authority, endorsement, consent, or even scientific consensus, to terminate our way of life.  Like Satan himself, they turn God's law inside out, giving the planet dominion over us instead of the other way around.  These 'experts' spent years coming up with warnings of pandemics, climate change, environmental catastrophe, and economic reasons why we are unworthy to continue as such with their constant bogus predictions.  A sample from the experts:



1966: Oil will be gone in 10 years. 

1967: Famine by 1975.

1969  We will all disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989 (Paul Ehrlich).

1969: World-wide plague, ecological catastrophe by end of 20th century.

1970: Oceans dead in a decade, food rationing by 1980.

1970: Natural resource depletion

1971: An ice age will hit us by 2000.

1972: Oil depletion by 1992.

1972: Urban citizens will require gas masks by 1985.

1974: We will have ozone depletion.

1975: A cooling world and drastic decline in food production.

1976: 'Scientific consensus' that famine is imminent.

1977: Oil will peak by 1990s (Department of Energy)

1980: Oh my God, acid rain!

1988: Rising sea levels will obliterate nations by 2000.

1988: Maldive Islands will be underwater by 2018 (they are still there).

1989: Nations wiped off the planet by 2000 from global warming (UN).

1996: Oil will be gone in 2020.

2002: Famine if we don't give up meat, fish, and dairy.

2004: Britain will be Siberia by 2024.

2005: Manhattan will be underwater by 2015.

2008: The Arctic will be ice free by 2018.

2009: Prince Charles says we have 96 months to save the planet.

2009: The UK Prime Minister disagrees, says we have 50 days.

2009: Al Gore moves his prediction of an ice-free Arctic from 2013 to 2019.

2014: We have 500 days to avoid climate chaos (John Kerry, Jay Carney, French Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius).

Other 'experts':

2019 We have eight or nine years to address climate change (Bernie Sanders) 2021-present:  Dr. Anthony Fauci: "The vaccine is safe and effective and will prevent you from getting COVID".  It is neither.

Joe Biden: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”

 

Do you see a pattern emerging?

 

The only way we are going to see plague is if they create it...they have.  The only way we are going to see famine is if they create it...they're doing it.  The only way there is going to be a shortage of oil and energy is by not producing it...they're not!   Why did we go from energy independence to energy dependence in just a few months? Why, when we have more oil in the Dakotas and Montana than all of the Middle East. Why are Dutch farmers being shut down, one of the largest exporters of food products?  People will be cold this winter, food will be expensive and no longer plentiful, and gas and diesel will be expensive because these criminals are making it so. They want power, money and control.  People are at the bottom of their priorities. Chaos and fear is their stock and trade.  They need it.  They feed off it.

Gov. Gavin Newsom's moronic regulation of no internal combustion vehicle sales by the middle of next decade shows how irrational he and his ilk are.  Truth is, fossil fuels will be with us for a long time to come.  We will never run out.  Newsom doesn't even have the power grid to handle EV battery charging, having restricted charging to several hours a day.  When the technology is there, we will make the appropriate changes, not rushing to deny food, fuel, warmth, and freedom of movement to anyone in a premature blitz. 

When are we going to stop listening to these fools and put these charlatans to bed?  What happened to that healthy skepticism of our generation?  Gift yourself with some critical thinking.  These people are liars! Nations, multi-national corporations, pharmaceutical companies, the healthcare industry, the media, the UN, The IMF, The WHO, governments around the world (including our present government) have bought into this fraud, this treachery, led by the World Economic Forum with promises of power and money.  They are now all complicit in the greatest crime against humanity in history....I know, unthinkable, but there it is.

The entire environmental and climate push is a hoax!

We have made great strides in environmental science without the scare tactics, without the threats of doom or the pick-pocketing of every tax-payer. 

I say this, especially to governors...think the 10th Amendment.  Put your state up front.  If you need energy, produce it.  If you need food, grow it.  Do not sit back and watch the federal government or globalist sociopaths bring our country and your state to its knees.  Biden and Obama are continuing their quest to fundamentally change America.

Start thinking the unthinkable. They are using your trust in them against you.  Stop giving in to their chaos and stop living in fear!    We can, and must, stop this.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Anthony on September 04, 2022, 02:55:53 AM
That's a great summary of where we are and why. A war is coming folks.  A bloody, destructive war that will make others pale in comparison.  If not, total subjugation of the masses by these Elite wretches.   >:(
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
“Vote in November, but make other plans.”

https://hungrysanta.substack.com/p/vote-this-november-but-make-other
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Number7 on September 06, 2022, 08:06:10 AM
I would not be surprised if the democrats declare the election 'complete' long before the votes are counted and then dare us to say otherwise.

Once they get away with that, the disappearances of those inconvenient conservatives will begin.

The J-6 political show trials and gulag was just a warm-up for those fucking communists.

The civil war that follows will be bloody, and horrible, with democrats murdering millions of us for fun and financial gain,
while republican elected officials spout bullshit about respecting the rule of law and avoiding violence, all the way to the gas chambers.

Could you imagine mitch raising a finger in real disobedience to his communist masters?
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: jb1842 on September 06, 2022, 09:37:18 AM
2 months until the elections, and it seems like not one Republican running for office in Ohio (that I vote for anyways) is actively campaigning. Honestly, they are fucking clowns. I didn't vote for either in the primary. One is borderline retarded, and that is why I think he's been quiet. The other talks a good game, but I think will turn into a bigger RINO than McCain or Paul Ryan if elected. Not sure why they haven't been out there. No commercials, mail flyers, nothing. I'm getting worried. Not sure the left will even need to steal the election if these 2 don't step up their game.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: elwood blues on September 06, 2022, 12:25:39 PM
“Vote in November, but make other plans.”

https://hungrysanta.substack.com/p/vote-this-november-but-make-other


Well, that paints a rosy picture, but we all new this is coming.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
Two reasons the democrat communist are not overly concerned about losing the house and possibly the senate, are McCarthy and McConnell. 
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Rush on September 06, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Glenn Beck was talking about convention of states this morning.  At least I think it was him.  Whoever was on the radio while I was driving.  Anyway, if the elections in 2022 and 2024 fail to reverse this left wing train wreck, then CoS is pretty much all we have left to save the country.  If that fails, then war.  But war is pretty much unthinkable and I don’t think will happen unless we have severe conditions here in the states.  Food shortages, widespread energy blackouts, etc.  most people are too fat dumb and happy. Complacent.
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2022, 02:26:05 PM
Glenn Beck was talking about convention of states this morning.  At least I think it was him.  Whoever was on the radio while I was driving.  Anyway, if the elections in 2022 and 2024 fail to reverse this left wing train wreck, then CoS is pretty much all we have left to save the country.  If that fails, then war.  But war is pretty much unthinkable and I don’t think will happen unless we have severe conditions here in the states.  Food shortages, widespread energy blackouts, etc.  most people are too fat dumb and happy. Complacent.

   I still say we'll see a breakup of the USA.  The Free states will organize, do a Article V convention and move on.  The Blue Shitholes will throw a temper tantrum and demand the Free States obey or else!, to which the Free States will give them the middle finger.

  Then we will see a huge migration from the blue shitholes over to the Free States.  What will be left in the blue shitholes will be the bedwetting leftist that can't figure out which restroom to use.  They will run to their leftist friends in Europe and beg them, and in return get laughed at.

 Who knows, maybe Canada will take them in.   ??? ::)
Title: Re: Us vs. Them
Post by: elwood blues on September 06, 2022, 02:31:33 PM
I don’t think [war] will happen unless we have severe conditions here in the states.  Food shortages, widespread energy blackouts, etc.... 

From Becky's post:
https://hungrysanta.substack.com/p/vote-this-november-but-make-other (https://hungrysanta.substack.com/p/vote-this-november-but-make-other)

Also, Tucker Carlson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6c-UkqlHo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6c-UkqlHo)


I could also quote scripture, but I think it's sufficient to say that we're in for a rough time.