Post by: LevelWing on November 06, 2016, 08:54:35 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/criminal-president-obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-vote-promises-no-repercussions-video/
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 09:12:08 AM
I'd love to see the actual interview rather than the edited version.
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Post by: LevelWing on November 06, 2016, 09:26:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiywDVCPzwI
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/11/06/cavuto-stunned-obama-prods-illegals-vote-national-tv-secret-cant-catch-408989
I've seen nothing indicating that this is possibly edited. Can you provide any evidence of your claim?
Post by: Anthony on November 06, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
That was some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while. The background heavy breathing...somebody get that dude some oxygen. Stat.
I'd love to see the actual interview rather than the edited version.
Neil Cavuto plays it pretty much down the middle, but when you see the supposed President of the U.S. openly advocating breaking the law purely for political gain it is pretty disgusting.
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 10:31:55 AM
Neil Cavuto plays it in the middle like Chris Matthews plays it in the middle.
From the video:
"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself." You guys must have missed that part. Cavuto sure did, but acknowledging it means less vitriol which means less FOX ratings.
44 was talking about the sanctity of a citizen's vote. Of its confidentiality. The interviewer started the question about illegals. The interviewer mentioned illegals but I took it as family members of voters. 44 clarified that.
I was under the impression that only citizens of this country could vote...and if that's true then how is what 44 said wrong?
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Post by: Lucifer on November 06, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
The OP linked video is a much different version. I like the newer version better.
Neil Cavuto plays it in the middle like Chris Matthews plays it in the middle.
From the video:
"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself." You guys must have missed that part. Cavuto sure did, but acknowledging it means less vitriol which means less FOX ratings.
44 was talking about the sanctity of a citizen's vote. Of its confidentiality. The interviewer started the question about illegals. The interviewer mentioned illegals but I took it as family members of voters. 44 clarified that.
I was under the impression that only citizens of this country could vote...and if that's true then how is what 44 said wrong?
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Nice spin. All one has to do is just have s suspension of disbelief.
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Can non-US citizens vote?
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Post by: Anthony on November 06, 2016, 11:36:30 AM
I do have a suspension of disbelief. I believe that citizens have sanctity and confidentiality in their vote. I also believe that a voting citizen should never be concerned that "the man" will be coming for their loved ones. Even if those loved ones are illegals.
Can non-US citizens vote?
Yes they can vote. Nobody checks their citizenship, nor I.D. Plus Obama told them they can vote if they are illegals. Also, do you have any examples of Cavotu being biased like Chris Matthews? They are in no way similar.
Post by: LevelWing on November 06, 2016, 12:24:26 PM
Can non-US citizens vote?Not legally. It doesn't help that so many voter laws have been struck down because it allegedly "disenfranchises minority voters" when in reality it allows illegals to vote. A vote in the U.S. is, and should only be, for actual citizens.
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 12:25:48 PM
As for Cavuto, it's in his "reporting." He doesn't report, he editorializes with an agenda. Otherwise, he would have included President Obama's clarification that I presented in a previous post. I see the same practice in the styles of many media talking heads, not just Matthews. He was a good example since he "plays to the middle" as well as Cavuto does, but from the "other side."
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Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 06, 2016, 12:33:48 PM
The OP linked video is a much different version. I like the newer version better.what planet do you live on? And now Odumber is "44"? WTF is with that?
Neil Cavuto plays it in the middle like Chris Matthews plays it in the middle.
From the video:
"When you vote, you are a citizen yourself." You guys must have missed that part. Cavuto sure did, but acknowledging it means less vitriol which means less FOX ratings.
44 was talking about the sanctity of a citizen's vote. Of its confidentiality. The interviewer started the question about illegals. The interviewer mentioned illegals but I took it as family members of voters. 44 clarified that.
I was under the impression that only citizens of this country could vote...and if that's true then how is what 44 said wrong?
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Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 12:48:03 PM
Watch the video and then let me know if you hear something different. Out of several responses, I've seen ZERO quotes from y'all on the interview to refute what I've said. Shocking.
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Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 06, 2016, 03:05:53 PM
Hmm, President Obama does happen to be the 44th POTUS. You don't like the abbreviation?0 didn't dispute the assertion that "undocumented millennial dreamers" should be allowed to vote, and in fact would be. That should have been comment 1. He also failed, as the Chief Executive of the USA, that people here without "documentation" are violating the law.
Watch the video and then let me know if you hear something different. Out of several responses, I've seen ZERO quotes from y'all on the interview to refute what I've said. Shocking.
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Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 03:40:23 PM
0 didn't dispute the assertion that "undocumented millennial dreamers" should be allowed to vote, and in fact would be. That should have been comment 1. He also failed, as the Chief Executive of the USA, that people here without "documentation" are violating the law.Does it make you feel better if your President regurgitates the plainly obvious?
He corrected the interviewer by saying "when you vote, you are a citizen yourself." He stressed it but didn't go over the top. I speculate that's because he assumed the interviewer was smart enough to know her blunder.
Here's the rub. The OP and several others stated that 44 (haha!) and the "mean Democrat regime" will stop at nothing to get HRC elected POTUS 45. Ok. Fine. Except that can't happen. Only US Citizens can vote in federal elections. In state and local elections, however, that isn't necessarily the case.
Some states and localities do allow documented and undocumented aliens voting privileges. I can't remember off the top of my head if the interviewer made her question explicitly regarding federal elections or any election. But I do think Obama assumed the interviewer was referring to federal elections.
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Post by: Lucifer on November 06, 2016, 03:54:20 PM
Does it make you feel better if your President regurgitates the plainly obvious?
He corrected the interviewer by saying "when you vote, you are a citizen yourself." He stressed it but didn't go over the top. I speculate that's because he assumed the interviewer was smart enough to know her blunder.
Here's the rub. The OP and several others stated that 44 (haha!) and the "mean Democrat regime" will stop at nothing to get HRC elected POTUS 45. Ok. Fine. Except that can't happen. Only US Citizens can vote in federal elections. In state and local elections, however, that isn't necessarily the case.
Some states and localities do allow documented and undocumented aliens voting privileges. I can't remember off the top of my head if the interviewer made her question explicitly regarding federal elections or any election. But I do think Obama assumed the interviewer was referring to federal elections.
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You do realize that all elections are state elections, correct? Each state controls its own voting, and does not separate out the election of President/Vice President. When I voted a couple of weeks ago I voted in local, county, state and for President.
Federal Election is a bit misleading since there is not really such a thing. Each state cast votes for a president/vice president and the candidate with the majority gets a vote from the state electors of the electoral college.
So, if an illegal can vote in a state election, how is he prevented from casting a vote for President?
Does your state actually run two separate elections?
Post by: Witmo on November 06, 2016, 04:48:02 PM
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
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Post by: Lucifer on November 06, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Not every local election is a federal election.
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So your state has 2 sets of voter registration? One for local and one for "federal"?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 06, 2016, 04:52:40 PM
Post by: Witmo on November 06, 2016, 05:09:53 PM
Without validating eligibility of voters, no intelligent person can reasonably claim that non-citizens haven't voted in past elections.No one is making that assertion. I can confidently postulate that no significant number of non-citizens have ever voted to make an iota of difference in any national election. Audits of voter rolls would have revealed ineligible voters and they have in minute numbers.
Post by: MarkZ on November 06, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
So your state has 2 sets of voter registration? One for local and one for "federal"?18 USC 611 does not supersede any local or state election laws.
The point you are missing is that the POTUS made clear that a person voting would be a citizen. Cavuto's assertion has no merit, but that never stopped an entertainment media outlet like FOX.
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Post by: Lucifer on November 06, 2016, 05:26:21 PM
18 USC 611 does not supersede any local or state election laws.
The point you are missing is that the POTUS made clear that a person voting would be a citizen. Cavuto's assertion has no merit, but that never stopped an entertainment media outlet like FOX.
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I'm not missing anything. You, however are avoiding my question.
You stated:
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Only US Citizens can vote in federal elections. In state and local elections, however, that isn't necessarily the case.
To which I asked:
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So your state has 2 sets of voter registration? One for local and one for "federal"?
So? How does your state differentiate voters?
Post by: LevelWing on November 06, 2016, 06:52:56 PM
Does it make you feel better if your President regurgitates the plainly obvious?Yes. It's not so "obvious" to some when states are allowing illegals to vote in federal elections.
He corrected the interviewer by saying "when you vote, you are a citizen yourself." He stressed it but didn't go over the top. I speculate that's because he assumed the interviewer was smart enough to know her blunder.Doubtful considering the person who conducted the interview said that she believes that illegals are actually citizens because they contribute to society.
Here's the rub. The OP and several others stated that 44 (haha!) and the "mean Democrat regime" will stop at nothing to get HRC elected POTUS 45. Ok. Fine. Except that can't happen. Only US Citizens can vote in federal elections. In state and local elections, however, that isn't necessarily the case.In theory, that's correct. However there have been numerous cases of illegals voting.
Post by: LevelWing on November 06, 2016, 06:54:32 PM
The tape begins mid sentence and yet it wasn't edited. Yeah, right. Children (of illegals) who are born in this country are citizens and eligible to vote. The question she was asking was "should these eligible voters fear deportation of their relatives who are undocumented and living with them if they (the children of illegals born in this country) excercise their right to vote?" Context is everything and editing out the beginning of the question is typical Cavuto deception. The last thing an illegal immigrant wants to do is bring attention to themself by voting. Scrutiny of past elections show next to nothing in the way of non-citizens voting and this election will be the same.Nonsense. First, you provide absolutely zero evidence that the video was edited. Second, why would an eligible voter (read: a citizen) fear deportation of their relatives because the citizen voted?
Post by: Little Joe on November 06, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
Not every local election is a federal election.But every Federal election is a local election.
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There is no such thing as a Federal Election. You vote in your County according to local election laws.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 07, 2016, 05:02:39 AM
No one is making that assertion. I can confidently postulate that no significant number of non-citizens have ever voted to make an iota of difference in any national election. Audits of voter rolls would have revealed ineligible voters and they have in minute numbers.
You made that assertion (and repeated it here) and a number of the other flaming liberals on POA and PS.
You have not made any valid points countering the statement.
Post by: LevelWing on November 07, 2016, 06:51:26 AM
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-to-vote/
If the President was implying or trying to say that only citizens can vote, he did so in a very poor manner. I think he meant exactly what everyone else believes: that an illegal should vote. The interviewer is clearly very defensive and condescending when she made her statement about how she believes illegal are citizens. She clearly has no concept of how immigration or laws work.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 07, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
Here is another video:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-to-vote/
If the President was implying or trying to say that only citizens can vote, he did so in a very poor manner. I think he meant exactly what everyone else believes: that an illegal should vote. The interviewer is clearly very defensive and condescending when she made her statement about how she believes illegal are citizens. She clearly has no concept of how immigration or laws work.
She's the product of Leftist philosophy where law only applies when it serves the Left.
Post by: Lucifer on November 07, 2016, 07:39:11 AM
She's the product of Leftist philosophy where law only applies when it serves the Left.
"Fundamental Transformation of America"
Post by: Witmo on November 07, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
Here is another video:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-to-vote/
If the President was implying or trying to say that only citizens can vote, he did so in a very poor manner. I think he meant exactly what everyone else believes: that an illegal should vote. The interviewer is clearly very defensive and condescending when she made her statement about how she believes illegal are citizens. She clearly has no concept of how immigration or laws work.
What's poor is the video beginning mid sentence with the interviewer asking a question. If such a poor, truncated, intentionally out of context clip of an interview is enough to fool you, it's no wonder why Trump has so many delusional followers willing to believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits their prejudices. If Trump wins his next gambit will be to be declared dictator 'cause the system is rigged with all those pesky Democrats and Republicans with a clue who refuse to let him defend America, make America great, repeal Obamacare, fill in the blank.
Post by: Anthony on November 07, 2016, 07:47:46 AM
If the President was implying or trying to say that only citizens can vote, he did so in a very poor manner. I think he meant exactly what everyone else believes: that an illegal should vote. The interviewer is clearly very defensive and condescending when she made her statement about how she believes illegal are citizens. She clearly has no concept of how immigration or laws work.
If Obama didn't mean that illegals should vote (he calls them undocumented) then he would enforce our borders, and not let illegals come in the first place.
Post by: Lucifer on November 07, 2016, 07:52:45 AM
What's poor is the video beginning mid sentence with the interviewer asking a question. If such a poor, truncated, intentionally out of context clip of an interview is enough to fool you, it's no wonder why Trump has so many delusional followers willing to believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits their prejudices. If Trump wins his next gambit will be to be declared dictator 'cause the system is rigged with all those pesky Democrats and Republicans with a clue who refuse to let him defend America, make America great, repeal Obamacare, fill in the blank.
So now Trump is trying to be a dictator? ::)
You bring up Obamacare, I take it that's another deal you hold dear to your heart, am I correct? I mean after all, you are a beneficiary of TriCare and you don't have to live under Obamacare like everyone else.
Correct?
Post by: Witmo on November 07, 2016, 07:56:42 AM
If Obama didn't mean that illegals should vote (he calls them undocumented) then he would enforce our borders, and not let illegals come in the first place.One has nothing to do with the other. You might have well said if Obama didn't want illegals to pay taxes, he would enforce the borders.
If President Obama had ever encouraged illegals to vote in a taped interview, it would have been on every news service and TV network. It would be a ratings bonanza. It wasn't because he never did and only fools believe the poorly edited, out of context, clip that Cavuto played on his show. Oh wait, I forgot, the media is rigged. They would never show this clip. I forgot about the vast conspiracy -- silly me.
Post by: LevelWing on November 07, 2016, 08:05:40 AM
What's poor is the video beginning mid sentence with the interviewer asking a question.I'd like to see the entire video as well. However since I have not seen it, and I seem to be the only one posting links to videos, this is all we have to go on. Further, you have provided no evidence that this video has been edited, which was your original claim.
If such a poor, truncated, intentionally out of context clip of an interview is enough to fool you, it's no wonder why Trump has so many delusional followers willing to believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it fits their prejudices.If you go back and read my posts here on PilotSpin, you'll see that I am not exactly a Trump supporter so your claim has no merit with me. As far as talking about prejudices, perhaps (in a new thread) we can go through the myriad of prejudices the Democrats use on a daily basis to demonize Republicans. That thread may take a while to make though, given the amount out there.
If Trump wins his next gambit will be to be declared dictator 'cause the system is rigged with all those pesky Democrats and Republicans with a clue who refuse to let him defend America, make America great, repeal Obamacare, fill in the blank.This surely can't be a serious claim. No conservative wants to see anybody as a dictator. Ever. If Trump, or anybody else for that matter, attempted to become a dictator or otherwise violate the Constitution, we'd be the first ones in line to stop it. Progressives, however, I'm not so convinced about. If they truly wanted what was best for America they would start enforcing laws on the books and stop trying to subvert the Constitution by constantly going around it.
Post by: LevelWing on November 07, 2016, 08:07:27 AM
If Obama didn't mean that illegals should vote (he calls them undocumented) then he would enforce our borders, and not let illegals come in the first place.Correct. Instead, however, he has made it easier for illegals to come in and refuses to enforce existing laws on the books. To be clear, it isn't just him though. Several Democrat/progressive presidents have done the same thing as President Obama. Remember the "amnesty" bill Reagan signed which was supposed to secure the border first? That didn't happen.
Post by: Witmo on November 07, 2016, 08:07:42 AM
So now Trump is trying to be a dictator? ::)
You bring up Obamacare, I take it that's another deal you hold dear to your heart, am I correct? I mean after all, you are a beneficiary of TriCare and you don't have to live under Obamacare like everyone else.
Correct?
He can try all he wants. I'm confident enough people in America see him for the danger he is and will not elect him.
And yes, I benefit from TriCare. It's far less than what I was promised when I began serving this country, but I accept it. For profit healthcare will always be a problem in any universal healthcare system. It will take both sides of the aisle to come together and fix Obamacare. My problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't do much of anything to bring down the costs of healthcare. Administrative costs alone for healthcare are outrageously disproportionate compared to other advanced nations.
Post by: Lucifer on November 07, 2016, 08:09:34 AM
One has nothing to do with the other. You might have well said if Obama didn't want illegals to pay taxes, he would enforce the borders.
If President Obama had ever encouraged illegals to vote in a taped interview, it would have been on every news service and TV network. It would be a ratings bonanza. It wasn't because he never did and only fools believe the poorly edited, out of context, clip that Cavuto played on his show. Oh wait, I forgot, the media is rigged. They would never show this clip. I forgot about the vast conspiracy -- silly me.
Why, of course! We all know that ABC,CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, AP, NYT, WashPo, etc would gladly cover a story that makes a democrat look bad.
It's just that evil Fox news ya know...........
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Post by: Lucifer on November 07, 2016, 08:12:58 AM
He can try all he wants. I'm confident enough people in America see him for the danger he is and will not elect him.
And yes, I benefit from TriCare. It's far less than what I was promised when I began serving this country, but I accept it. For profit healthcare will always be a problem in any universal healthcare system. It will take both sides of the aisle to come together and fix Obamacare. My problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't do much of anything to bring down the costs of healthcare. Administrative costs alone for healthcare are outrageously disproportionate compared to other advanced nations.
But Hillary likes Obamacare and has reminded her supporters "Remember, before Obamacare it was called "Hillarycare". Yet she has not offered any "fixes" for it.
And you are OK with that? Really?
Post by: LevelWing on November 07, 2016, 08:13:02 AM
If President Obama had ever encouraged illegals to vote in a taped interview, it would have been on every news service and TV network. It would be a ratings bonanza. It wasn't because he never did and only fools believe the poorly edited, out of context, clip that Cavuto played on his show. Oh wait, I forgot, the media is rigged. They would never show this clip. I forgot about the vast conspiracy -- silly me.It's not a conspiracy when it is verifiable. One only needs to look back at the comments then Senator Obama made in 2008 when he told "Joe the plumber" that he wanted to redistribute wealth. Or the video where Obama said that energy rates would "necessarily skyrocket". So I do in fact believe that Obama would openly encourage illegals to vote because he understands that there aren't going to be any repercussions to him. He's leaving office, any court cases wouldn't matter because he'd be long gone before any of them were heard or decided (let alone complete through the appeals process) and if it ensured a Democratic victory tomorrow, it would've been worth it.
Post by: LevelWing on November 07, 2016, 08:14:37 AM
He can try all he wants. I'm confident enough people in America see him for the danger he is and will not elect him.Let's privatize it then. Insurance isn't a right and if you believe it is then 1.) show me where that's stated and 2.) work to change the Constitution to make sure it says that. Slight derail since this thread isn't about healthcare.
And yes, I benefit from TriCare. It's far less than what I was promised when I began serving this country, but I accept it. For profit healthcare will always be a problem in any universal healthcare system. It will take both sides of the aisle to come together and fix Obamacare. My problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't do much of anything to bring down the costs of healthcare. Administrative costs alone for healthcare are outrageously disproportionate compared to other advanced nations.
Post by: Lucifer on November 07, 2016, 08:14:51 AM
and if it ensured a Democratic victory tomorrow, it would've been worth it.
And that's the key "Win at any cost!"
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 07, 2016, 08:21:54 AM
If such a poor, truncated, intentionally out of context clip of an interview is enough to fool you...
Yeah, you'd think a Democrat working at CNN made the original post.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 07, 2016, 11:19:58 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/07/jeff-sessions-obama-must-make-crystal-clear-only-citizens-can-vote-in-u-s-elections/
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Post by: MarkZ on November 08, 2016, 08:04:37 AM
Now, cue the mindless blather about "Chicago elections" from the illuminati who have got nothing better to add...
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Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2016, 08:51:33 AM
Exactly. Chicago Municipal elections were typically held on non-cycle years (odd numbered years). I don't know if non-citizens are allowed to vote in that election, however I do know the local election is typically held separate from the regular federal cycle.
Now, cue the mindless blather about "Chicago elections" from the illuminati who have got nothing better to add...
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But you are still avoiding the question. Do they have 2 separate voter registration rolls so the "non citizen" can't vote for president? How do they do that? During a presidential election do they exclude all other local elections?
Post by: MarkZ on November 08, 2016, 09:16:42 AM
But you are still avoiding the question. Do they have 2 separate voter registration rolls so the "non citizen" can't vote for president? How do they do that? During a presidential election do they exclude all other local elections?I don't know the answer to your question. I'm not avoiding it, I just don't know. I know that technically some localities make it legal for a non-citizen to vote.
How that happens is a good question. I'm sure it's part of a vast left wing conspiracy..
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