PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on November 28, 2019, 06:13:48 AM
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There is a huge Amazon warehouse within a few minutes of our home. It employs a lot of people, changing constantly as Amazon seems to go thru employees like adam schiff goes through impeachment claims.
Knowing many current and former Amazon employees and hearing the stories of the utter rejection of wage and hour, OSHA safety regulations and general abuse of employees by the company, I have to wonder why anyone would want to buy from them.
The abusive, near slave like requirements imposed on people that work there have me scratching my head as to why the DOJ and State Attorneys General don’t go after them, but then I remember the taxpayer funded gifts given to Amazon by his little highness, princess obama.
Many forget that we gift Amazon with $1.41 for each package they ship as part of that package given to one of the princess’ biggest supporters.
In our home, we refuse to purchase anything that comes from Amazon, no matter what it is,,or where it comes from otherwise. Doing so feels traitorous to American working families and I won’t support Amazon any more than I support Venezuelan oil.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/inside-amazon-s-delivery-push-employees-drivers-say-overworked-system-n1087661
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20983452/amazon-workplace-safety-report-injuries-osha-investigation
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Well you can set it up so any time you buy from Amazon they make a donation to the NRA. That’s what I do.
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So, you agree with AOC and what she did in NY.
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So, you agree with AOC and what she did in NY.
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So, you agree with AOC and what she did in NY.
I don’t have any idea IF you are referencing my post, or not, but I couldn’t care less about the bartender and what she thinks about anything.
Putting those words in my mouth - if that was your intent - is as stupid as kristens babbling bullshit about her make believe list of the “crimes” of President of the United States - not hilary - Donald J Trump.
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So, you agree with AOC and what she did in NY.
I believe her objection was that Amazon was being promised millions in subsidies to site its HQ2 in New York. I don’t know if she ever objected to working conditions per se. Even Tucker Carlson agreed with her point with regard to tax preference (common as it is for politicians to offer them to already large successful companies):
https://ijr.com/tucker-carlson-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-amazon-criticism/ (https://ijr.com/tucker-carlson-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-amazon-criticism/)
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Knowing many current and former Amazon employees and hearing the stories of the utter rejection of wage and hour, OSHA safety regulations and general abuse of employees by the company, I have to wonder why anyone would want to buy from them.
The abusive, near slave like requirements imposed on people that work there have me scratching my head as to why the DOJ and State Attorneys General don’t go after them, but then I remember the taxpayer funded gifts given to Amazon by his little highness, princess obama.
I wonder why anyone would want to work for them? If workers are being abused and placed in danger by their employer, then quit. Gather up some comrades and strike. Is the pay that good and employment prospects elsewhere so bad that workers are forced to work at Amazon?
I have no pity for employers who break safety regulations and abuse workers. I have nothing bit disdain for a government that does not enforce regulations for fear of losing kickbacks. But if a worker has other options, why put up with it?
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OSHA is very, very aggressive. I have dealt with them. All an Amazon employee would have to do is make an accusation, or allegation and OSHA would be in there investigating in no time, and they are relentless. It becomes guilty until proven innocent with them.
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OSHA is very, very aggressive. I have dealt with them. All an Amazon employee would have to do is make an accusation, or allegation and OSHA would be in there investigating in no time, and they are relentless. It becomes guilty until proven innocent with them.
I have experienced that too. On a complaint from an ex-employee (fired for sloppy work), OSHA ripped my place apart for three days and caught me on THREE violations.
1. I did not have the up-to-date labor law poster.
2. One of the trash cans in an exam room did not have a plastic liner.
3. Someone plugged a fan into an extension cord because we were airing the place out after a thorough bleach based cleaning.
There was no fine, but they interrupted my employees during the investigation by closing rooms and questioning everyone, while they were on the clock.
They found no safety violations and wrote me a warning letter, which I framed an hung in my office.
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OSHA is very, very aggressive. I have dealt with them. All an Amazon employee would have to do is make an accusation, or allegation and OSHA would be in there investigating in no time, and they are relentless. It becomes guilty until proven innocent with them.
I think you are wrong. I think we are over regulated, but major corporations know the rules.
I also think that Amazon is big enough that they have rules in place to insure that employees are supposed to comply with regulations.
If a employee reports a major employer, the employer pulls out the rules that the employee agreed to (as a condition of employment) and the major employer would just blame the employee. It may even give the employer a reason to not pay unemployment to the then former employee.
I do not love Amazon, but when they have something that my local stores (chain or truly local, I buy from both as they both provide employment to the local community), I buy it from Amazon.
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I think you are wrong. I think we are over regulated, but major corporations know the rules.
I also think that Amazon is big enough that they have rules in place to insure that employees are supposed to comply with regulations.
If a employee reports a major employer, the employer pulls out the rules that the employee agreed to (as a condition of employment) and the major employer would just blame the employee. It may even give the employer a reason to not pay unemployment to the then former employee.
I do not love Amazon, but when they have something that my local stores (chain or truly local, I buy from both as they both provide employment to the local community), I buy it from Amazon.
I'm not wrong. I have dealt with OSHA on several occasion where disgruntled employees made false accusations then OSHA came in a wreaked havoc to the point I and my other employees were spending the bulk of our time playing GULITY until proven innocent with them. I have direct personal, executive experience in large corporations dealing with them. Do you?
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I think you are wrong. I think we are over regulated, but major corporations know the rules.
Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, they treat small business just as bad, or worse than they treat big corporations. They know we don't have the resources to fight them like the big guys do. They come in like storm troopers and anything you say can and will be used against you.
Even if a big (or small) company has specific written rules and training sessions regarding any particular violation, if that violation occurs, they will say the training and supervision were insufficient. I've seen it several times. And OSHA fines can be devastating, especially to small businesses.
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Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, they treat small business just as bad, or worse than they treat big corporations. They know we don't have the resources to fight them like the big guys do. They come in like storm troopers and anything you say can and will be used against you.
Even if a big (or small) company has specific written rules and training sessions regarding any particular violation, if that violation occurs, they will say the training and supervision were insufficient. I've seen it several times. And OSHA fines can be devastating, especially to small businesses.
Frequently the Swamp used osha and EPA.to specifically punish small business to benefit large - big donors - corporations.
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I personally do not know anyone that works or has worked at Amazon. I did here someone local talking about working there and why she had to quit.
Her complaint was the building was not air conditioned, they would complain if they caught you you standing around talking(sounds to me like she got yelled at for not working a few times)
From what I heard it sounded like she did not like to work and wanted to stand around in AC all day.
I am amazed people think everything is air conditioned, I have worked at plenty of places that did not some not even heated.
In Minnesota they start at $15 for someone with zero experience. That does not sound like low pay to me.
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I'm not wrong. I have dealt with OSHA on several occasion where disgruntled employees made false accusations then OSHA came in a wreaked havoc to the point I and my other employees were spending the bulk of our time playing GULITY until proven innocent with them. I have direct personal, executive experience in large corporations dealing with them. Do you?
I worked for Brown and Root in the 90s. "Safety" could shut down the site if they saw something wrong.
Southwestern Bell/SBC/AT&T after that. I was a contractor, so I did not follow the rules. They were a union shop and the union members would not break the rules.
I have been out of that world for 12 years and only have to answer to my wife.
At the hospital, the rules are followed to a 'T'. I would not work well in that regulated system.
I defer to others who know a s*** ton more than me. I do know people who work in the regulated environment and if they step out of line (hourly workers and managers) and get caught, it is their job to lose.
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Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, they treat small business just as bad, or worse than they treat big corporations. They know we don't have the resources to fight them like the big guys do. They come in like storm troopers and anything you say can and will be used against you.
Even if a big (or small) company has specific written rules and training sessions regarding any particular violation, if that violation occurs, they will say the training and supervision were insufficient. I've seen it several times. And OSHA fines can be devastating, especially to small businesses.
I agree with you about treating small businesses just as bad. I failed to pay $900ish in taxes late and the fines/interest added up to me writing a check for $4000 to the US Treasury. Large corporations have to be fined all the time.