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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: JeffDG on January 10, 2016, 07:43:33 AM
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What country with socialism have you visited recently ? Do you have any photos of you standing beside one of these "breadlines"
People really should get out more.
Here is a list of top socialist countries around the world, I have lived or visited for extended periods of time, all except China. No bread lines
China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/16/venezuela-president-declares-economic-emergency-as-inflation-hits-141
'Gimp
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Why Socialism Always Fails (http://fee.org/freeman/why-socialism-failed/)
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What country with socialism have you visited recently ? Do you have any photos of you standing beside one of these "breadlines"
People really should get out more.
Here is a list of top socialist countries around the world, I have lived or visited for extended periods of time, all except China. No bread lines
China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium
Apparently you didn't get out much when living in these paradises.....
http://www.bullshitexposed.com/scandinavian-socialism-debunked/ (http://www.bullshitexposed.com/scandinavian-socialism-debunked/)
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/16/venezuela-president-declares-economic-emergency-as-inflation-hits-141
'Gimp
Was Venezuela on my list.... No
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>>Apparently you didn't get our much when living in these paradises
Actually I did, never went hungry, never had to bet for money or food on the streets, saw a doctor then I needed to, never had to pay a single dime when I fell and spent a few nights in hospital, never had to sit for hours in long gas lines, I could go on but why bother, you have your perception and I have reality.
Cry into your pillow at night if it helps your fight of the big bad socialism wolf but stop paint all socialize countries the same, true some are crap but look who there were run by in the first place.
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American children are indoctrinated to fear socialism and most adults can't tell you what is it. How dare you try and challenge that! So rude. :-)
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>>Apparently you didn't get our much when living in these paradises
Actually I did, never went hungry, never had to bet for money or food on the streets, saw a doctor then I needed to, never had to pay a single dime when I fell and spent a few nights in hospital, never had to sit for hours in long gas lines, I could go on but why bother, you have your perception and I have reality.
Cry into your pillow at night if it helps your fight of the big bad socialism wolf but stop paint all socialize countries the same, true some are crap but look who there were run by in the first place.
Oh, you did pay. You payed when you paid your taxes. And you paid them all the time. Many are OK with this. Free this, free that, subsidized whatever... and if anyone ever tries to invade the tax and spend paradise, America will save them!!! America always does and now they have to. They signed the papers.
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American children are indoctrinated to fear socialism and most adults can't tell you what is it. How dare you try and challenge that! So rude. :-)
You've got that backwards. Adults have seen the underbelly of Socialism. children aren't taught about it and our history books ignore the ugly side of it.
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Government always runs things so efficiently because it has incentives to do that, right? So government confiscating OUR money to use for whatever reason it wants to give us "free" stuff always works so well.
Liberal/Progressives always think the stuff government provides is "FREE". That is the major disconnect. The money comes from productive taxpayers. When you take that money and be wasteful with it like government always does it is a HUGE ECONOMIC DRAIN and reduces everyone's standard of living, and opportunity.
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>>Apparently you didn't get our much when living in these paradises
Actually I did, never went hungry, never had to bet for money or food on the streets, saw a doctor then I needed to, never had to pay a single dime when I fell and spent a few nights in hospital, never had to sit for hours in long gas lines, I could go on but why bother, you have your perception and I have reality.
Cry into your pillow at night if it helps your fight of the big bad socialism wolf but stop paint all socialize countries the same, true some are crap but look who there were run by in the first place.
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Holy Crap, what a steaming pile.
I live in Canada and it ain't no bed of roses, more like thorns.
Lemme see, Toronto, beggers on every corner even though they got their welfare cheque,
gotta pay for them $12 a pack cigs, $40 a pill Ocycotin , $15 a six pack beer life's tough ya know.
Oh and that crack , don't forget that good stuff.
At lest they pickup the garbage everyone tosses out their cars.
Ya I fell once, 8 hour wait to see the triage ,then 1 hour wait for the doc in the hallways all the while they gave me shit for bleeding on their floors.
They hospital even sent me the bill for the crutches and the pain killers.
RUG gas costs us still 92.9 canukiestan cents per freaking liter.
Food banks at just about every church with lineups and to get it you gotta be on welfare.
Ya we got fuel lineups when there is price war and it drops to 79.3 cents , oh happy days.
Don't ask me what bloody califlower costs, ya it's almost 7 bucks, that's canukie bucks, that by the by costs us to purchase about $1.49 for a freedom loving Yankee buck.
Anything that's imported costs a lot more including that craptastic Chinese junk from Wally World.
I get to purchase all that after more than 50 % of my pay has gone to my favorite Lib governments and I like the fed one with my new singing Prime Minister 's wife.
At least I don't have to pay taxes on my stupid tax lottery tickets with max payout of 60 million loonies.
I can use that to help pay my 13 % VAT taxes, certain foods excluded, ya that califlower.
Oh and that might help with my average 25 cents / kilowatt hydro bill, that is if I ever see it, that's right they can just keep over estimating it .
At least I can look at the pretty scenery and we got hockey and seriously our beer is better than yours. :P
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Ah and I forgot we got the best looking women in the world, at least multiculturalism worked out in that department.
I wonder what the next batch of girls from our Syrian refugees will turn out like, probably smokinnnnnn. :o
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American children are indoctrinated to fear socialism and most adults can't tell you what is it. How dare you try and challenge that! So rude. :-)
I fear any government that deliberately starves tens of millions of its own citizens, or that imprisons millions purely for their political or religious beliefs.
Excluding the deaths of WWII attributable to the Nazis (National Socialist German Workers Party), Communism and Socialism are directly responsible for at least 100 million deaths in the 20th century. Can't say how many for sure because without a free press or oversight from the world community reporting from inside a totalitarian society is spotty.
The so-called socialist paradises of Europe are only moderately successful due in large part to not having actual responsibility for their own security (thanks to NATO and the US) and relatively small homogenous populations - see the collapses of social programs in the former paradises unfolding in front of our eyes due to the massive influx of Arab refugees.
'Gimp
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
That's not socialism, that's being smart. Socialism is the centralization of an economy and its production. Armies, police and fire by necessity fall under the control of government, that isn't socialism and we won't let you redefine the term to make it seem innocuous. Health care, food production, energy production, manufacturing and pretty much everything else are best left to markets, where the weak producers fall by the wayside and the successful are rewarded. There are example after example of socialist failures throughout history and even in modern times.
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
Whatever you say, professor.
I prefer to call them by their true name- Communists.
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Here's a pretty good article about what socialism really means for a country. It's from the Huffington Post, so I know the few people on the left around here will open it and check it out. For those on the right, check it out anyhow. I know it's from Huffpo, but it's not what you think.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-boaz/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism_b_9055290.html
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That was good.
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
So if I am opposed to socialism I am both and idiot and a hater or just a hater?
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Here's a pretty good article about what socialism really means for a country. It's from the Huffington Post, so I know the few people on the left around here will open it and check it out. For those on the right, check it out anyhow. I know it's from Huffpo, but it's not what you think.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-boaz/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism_b_9055290.html
Good article, but it might be tough to reduce it to 140 characters so that the short-attention span Millennials might actually read the damned thing.
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Good article, but it might be tough to reduce it to 140 characters so that the short-attention span Millennials might actually read the damned thing.
Just throw some emojis in, replace words for numbers where possible, eliminate vowels where possible, eliminate all the hard words, adjectives, adverbs, prepositions, etc and they'll get through it. ;)
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Good article, but it might be tough to reduce it to 140 characters so that the short-attention span Millennials might actually read the damned thing.
Just throw some emojis in, replace words for numbers where possible, eliminate vowels where possible, eliminate all the hard words, adjectives, adverbs, prepositions, etc and they'll get through it. ;)
And uSe iNaPpropriate Capitalization along with excluding punctuation regardless of the length of the sentence Also don't ever ever terminate paragraphs,.
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That's not socialism, that's being smart. Socialism is the centralization of an economy and its production. Armies, police and fire by necessity fall under the control of government, that isn't socialism and we won't let you redefine the term to make it seem innocuous. Health care, food production, energy production, manufacturing and pretty much everything else are best left to markets, where the weak producers fall by the wayside and the successful are rewarded. There are example after example of socialist failures throughout history and even in modern times.
Also, things like National Defense and interstate commerce were signed off on by the states in the Constitution. We accepted those things for the greater good, and because it makes sense. That other socialist crap doesn't and was NOT AGREED TO by the states. Remember, we are a collection of states first, not the Oligarchy we've become.
Steingar doesn't understand the Constitution, nor the basic concepts of our country. He's been brainwashed by his cultural bias, and the faculty lounge.
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So if I am opposed to socialism I am both and idiot and a hater or just a hater?
Are you really ready to defend yourself, your family, and your property yourself against all enemies foreign or domestic? Are you ready to perform all necessary medical procedures on yourself or your family, or pay for the training of those who do (medical training is heavily subsidized by most states). Are you ready to build every airstrip on which you land your airplane, which by the way is just as likely as not to bang into an airliner or UAV, depending on what's flying that day.
I could go on, but I think you se the point. The sort answer is you might indeed be both.
Also, things like National Defense and interstate commerce were signed off on by the states in the Constitution. We accepted those things for the greater good, and because it makes sense. That other socialist crap doesn't and was NOT AGREED TO by the states. Remember, we are a collection of states first, not the Oligarchy we've become.
Steingar doesn't understand the Constitution, nor the basic concepts of our country. He's been brainwashed by his cultural bias, and the faculty lounge.
I will defer to those who study it for a living, like the SCOTUS. I suspect they know a tad bit more than both of us.
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The sort answer is you might indeed be both.
Okay, trying to follow your message to me. 'I might be both and idiot and a hater because I don't support socialism.'
I might be older than you, in any event this word 'hater' that I see all the time I really don't get the meaning and I guess I thought you were saying I might be a bad guy.
I googled the word and got 2 definitions
- a person who greatly dislikes a specified person or thing.
"a man hater" - a negative or critical person.
"she found it difficult to cope with the haters"
Number 1 first, obviously we are both haters? I hate many things, like the way socialism leads to communism which can lead to disarmament and genocide of disarmed people by their government. Stalin and Mao come to mind. You are obviously a hater of haters? Why is being a hater a bad or even a remakable thing?
Number 2, negative or critical? another pretty low bar. Aren't most/all posters on this site critical? Once they get past the first 'cudos' post aren't these threads and posts within all critical? I'm here because I seek out critical/knowledgeable people so I can learn. What do non-critical people have to teach.
So what was your message that I might be a hater intended to convey? My best take is that you were saying that because I don' support socialism I might deserve these labels and should be seen as a bad guy?
If I have that right then screw you if not can your rephrase without using 'new language'? Things like 'microagreesions' and such go right over my head.
PS The idea that I might be and idiot for apposing socialism gets the same response as above, screw you.
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
Your overview is deliberately skewed as would be expected from the far left faculty lounge. Because you live off the taxpayers you think the system rocks... Period. Parasites always do.
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I will defer to those who study it for a living, like the SCOTUS. I suspect they know a tad bit more than both of us.
The SCOTUS like all other government is a collection of human beings. You don't think they have a bias that skews their "knowledge"? The Constitution isn't hard to read. It doesn't need much interpretation. It is what it is. I won't defer to anyone anymore. I will react.
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I will defer to those who study it for a living, like the SCOTUS. I suspect they know a tad bit more than both of us.
Right...SCOTUS the wise.
Interning Japanese Americans is A-OK! (Korematsu)
A black man can never be a citizen (Dred Scott)
The state has no right to regulate working conditions (Lochner)
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Right...SCOTUS the wise.
Interning Japanese Americans is A-OK! (Korematsu)
A black man can never be a citizen (Dred Scott)
The state has no right to regulate working conditions (Lochner)
Obamacare is just another TAX - Roberts (a Republican appointee)
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LOL
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and.... the liberal voter won't comprend...
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Pardon my language, but that picture reminds me of the epithet, "Go fuck yourself."
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Using socialism as some sort of buzzword is the strategy of idiots. Everyone is socialist to some degree, except perhaps failed states like Somalia and now Syria. We have a socialized defensive system, we all pay in and we are defended as a group. The alternative is no army and you defend your house with your won weapons. We have socialized police, this was not always the case. Historically police have been hired entities for those who could afford them. We socialize fire services, libraries, and all sorts of other things. At issue is not socialism vs capitalism, but how much balance there is between the two.
But haters gotta hate, and idiots gotta be.
I see your point exactly. And I can answer your question. Socializing Defense and Emergency Services is one thing. The line between capitalist and socialist is when we start socializing the individual. In a capitalist society, healthy people are expected to provide for themselves and their families. Healthcare, housing, food, retirement savings. Work hard, have good healthcare, food, housing, great retirement. Don't work? Sorry, no food, no housing, no retirement, no healthcare.
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I see your point exactly. And I can answer your question. Socializing Defense and Emergency Services is one thing. The line between capitalist and socialist is when we start socializing the individual. In a capitalist society, healthy people are expected to provide for themselves and their families. Healthcare, housing, food, retirement savings. Work hard, have good healthcare, food, housing, great retirement. Don't work? Sorry, no food, no housing, no retirement, no healthcare.
This simplistic view seems to imply that if you just have a job and work, that you will be guaranteed good healthcare and great retirement. That is utter bull crap. Tens of millions of Americans have jobs, work 40-60 hour weeks and have little to no healthcare and no hope of retirement. What you meant was-
In a capitalist society, healthy people are expected to provide for themselves and their families. Healthcare, housing, food, retirement savings. Work hard at a much better than average job, have good healthcare, food, housing, great retirement.
This is why the Democrats have enjoyed so much support since the times of FDR. There are tens of millions of Americans that will never have this better than average job that allows them healthcare and retirement. The very tenants of Capitalism are antithetical to high quality living for all. To generate the highest possible profit from your capital investment. That means paying your workers the least you can get away with. This is why socialism even exists. If capitalism worked fantastically for everyone in society, there would be no purpose for socialism. This has never been the case anywhere in the world.
To dismiss socialism as just a corrupt ideal is to dismiss billions of people all over the world as hapless morons bound to their fate. For better, or for worse, the 19th and 20th centuries have created the environment for the hapless morons to organize and wield power. Savvy capitalists understand this and provide wages and benefits to their workers so they can keep socialism at bay. You find this most often in privately held companies and corporations. Publicly traded corporations and the stock market is where you see the break down between capital and human being.
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Socialism, Greece comes to mind. Here is the story of the grasshopper and the ant. In case you are unsure, the grasshopper is the socialist, the ant is the capitalist.
IN a field one summer’s day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart’s content. An Ant passed by, bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the nest. 1
“Why not come and chat with me,” said the Grasshopper, “instead of toiling and moiling in that way?” 2
“I am helping to lay up food for the winter,” said the Ant, “and recommend you to do the same.” 3
“Why bother about winter?” said the Grasshopper; “we have got plenty of food at present.” But the Ant went on its way and continued its toil. When the winter came the Grasshopper had no food, and found itself dying of hunger, while it saw the ants distributing every day corn and grain from the stores they had collected in the summer. Then the Grasshopper knew:
“IT IS BEST TO PREPARE FOR THE DAYS OF NECESSITY.”
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This simplistic view seems to imply that if you just have a job and work, that you will be guaranteed good healthcare and great retirement. That is utter bull crap. Tens of millions of Americans have jobs, work 40-60 hour weeks and have little to no healthcare and no hope of retirement. What you meant was-
This is why the Democrats have enjoyed so much support since the times of FDR. There are tens of millions of Americans that will never have this better than average job that allows them healthcare and retirement. The very tenants of Capitalism are antithetical to high quality living for all. To generate the highest possible profit from your capital investment. That means paying your workers the least you can get away with. This is why socialism even exists. If capitalism worked fantastically for everyone in society, there would be no purpose for socialism. This has never been the case anywhere in the world.
To dismiss socialism as just a corrupt ideal is to dismiss billions of people all over the world as hapless morons bound to their fate. For better, or for worse, the 19th and 20th centuries have created the environment for the hapless morons to organize and wield power. Savvy capitalists understand this and provide wages and benefits to their workers so they can keep socialism at bay. You find this most often in privately held companies and corporations. Publicly traded corporations and the stock market is where you see the break down between capital and human being.
Capitalism doesn't work fantastically for everyone, but socialism works fantastically for only a few at the top. I have friends who have lived in socialist countries. It is ugly. Postal workers opening packages to "inspect" them and stealing the contents. Bribes, corruption, no incentive to increase your business because the state just takes more.
Your argument is weak. Look at reality.
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This is why the Democrats have enjoyed so much support since the times of FDR. There are tens of millions of Americans that will never have this better than average job that allows them healthcare and retirement. The very tenants of Capitalism are antithetical to high quality living for all. To generate the highest possible profit from your capital investment. That means paying your workers the least you can get away with. This is why socialism even exists. If capitalism worked fantastically for everyone in society, there would be no purpose for socialism. This has never been the case anywhere in the world.
To dismiss socialism as just a corrupt ideal is to dismiss billions of people all over the world as hapless morons bound to their fate. For better, or for worse, the 19th and 20th centuries have created the environment for the hapless morons to organize and wield power. Savvy capitalists understand this and provide wages and benefits to their workers so they can keep socialism at bay. You find this most often in privately held companies and corporations. Publicly traded corporations and the stock market is where you see the break down between capital and human being.
You're wrong Dave. Plain wrong. I'll tell you why. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is MERIT based and offers the most opportunity overall. What socialism does is give GOVERNMENT all the power over you. They control you, and their motivation is not to help you but sustain and grow themselves. Power and wealth gets further consolidated to fewer, and fewer while a few crumbs get passed along to the populace. Government is not merit or performance based. They are not held accountable in the market place. They DO NOT HAVE TO operate efficiently, or do a good job.
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and.... the liberal voter won't comprend...
Math is hard.
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I see your point exactly. And I can answer your question. Socializing Defense and Emergency Services is one thing. The line between capitalist and socialist is when we start socializing the individual. In a capitalist society, healthy people are expected to provide for themselves and their families. Healthcare, housing, food, retirement savings. Work hard, have good healthcare, food, housing, great retirement. Don't work? Sorry, no food, no housing, no retirement, no healthcare.
“He who does not work shall not eat”
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This simplistic view seems to imply that if you just have a job and work, that you will be guaranteed good healthcare and great retirement. That is utter bull crap. Tens of millions of Americans have jobs, work 40-60 hour weeks and have little to no healthcare and no hope of retirement. What you meant was-
This is why the Democrats have enjoyed so much support since the times of FDR. There are tens of millions of Americans that will never have this better than average job that allows them healthcare and retirement. The very tenants of Capitalism are antithetical to high quality living for all. To generate the highest possible profit from your capital investment. That means paying your workers the least you can get away with. This is why socialism even exists. If capitalism worked fantastically for everyone in society, there would be no purpose for socialism. This has never been the case anywhere in the world.
To dismiss socialism as just a corrupt ideal is to dismiss billions of people all over the world as hapless morons bound to their fate. For better, or for worse, the 19th and 20th centuries have created the environment for the hapless morons to organize and wield power. Savvy capitalists understand this and provide wages and benefits to their workers so they can keep socialism at bay. You find this most often in privately held companies and corporations. Publicly traded corporations and the stock market is where you see the break down between capital and human being.
The World doesn't owe anyone a living.
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Capitalism doesn't work fantastically for everyone, but socialism works fantastically for only a few at the top. I have friends who have lived in socialist countries. It is ugly. Postal workers opening packages to "inspect" them and stealing the contents. Bribes, corruption, no incentive to increase your business because the state just takes more.
Your argument is weak. Look at reality.
What do you expect; he's from the Workers Paradise of Kalifornia.
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What do you expect; he's from the Workers Paradise of Kalifornia.
Kommiefornia. They've ruined that state. What a waste and tragedy.
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Capitalism doesn't work fantastically for everyone, but socialism works fantastically for only a few at the top. I have friends who have lived in socialist countries. It is ugly. Postal workers opening packages to "inspect" them and stealing the contents. Bribes, corruption, no incentive to increase your business because the state just takes more.
Your argument is weak. Look at reality.
I looked. Yep, the reality is there has been a march towards some form of Socialism since Karl Marx introduced the world to the idea. There are countries experimenting with what exactly a successful neo-socialist country looks like. Enthusiasm for socialist concepts are not waning, if fact they are becoming more popular. That is reality.
Why would this be if capitalism was a utopia for all? Why did Karl Marx write that stupid book in the first place?? Why did so many pick it up and get inspired?
As to your friends in un named socialist countries, I suggest they move to a better country if they don't like the way things are done there. Bribery and corruption is in every country, but there are lots to choose from where it is not commonly encountered in daily life.
Anyhow, the point I was trying to make but seems lost on everyone is that capitalism isn't bad, or evil. If we want to keep socialist ideas and programs out of government, then capitalism needs to step up and properly provide for the larger majority of working people, not just the guy in the corner office. If companies and corporations continue to say "Screw the guy that mops the floor and the lady that makes the beds." we will see more and more push for socialism in government. All we have to do is look to the east. Europe has already been down this road.
That is reality.
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You're wrong Dave. Plain wrong. I'll tell you why. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is MERIT based and offers the most opportunity overall. What socialism does is give GOVERNMENT all the power over you. They control you, and their motivation is not to help you but sustain and grow themselves. Power and wealth gets further consolidated to fewer, and fewer while a few crumbs get passed along to the populace. Government is not merit or performance based. They are not held accountable in the market place. They DO NOT HAVE TO operate efficiently, or do a good job.
You missed the point entirely. Ask yourself, why are socialist ideals becoming more popular and not less? Why isn't unfettered capitalism the norm and the basis for every country in the world? In fact pure capitalism is in decline as is communism. Most countries are working towards some sort of hybrid approach.
Once upon a time, the vast majority of people were born into this world, toiled over the earth, had little to no healthcare, worked until they dropped dead at a young age and they excepted their fate and position in the world. Then came progress and the industrial revolution and people could see an alternative vision of life for common people. Soon common people organized and gained a voice as well as power in government. Now common people are no longer content to die pushing a broom at early age, they want better.
There is no putting this genie back in the bottle. They want to live longer and healthier lives and they want a retirement. So if pure and simple capitalism doesn't provide this, socialism and big government will. That means that if the goal is to have smaller, less intrusive government, capitalism needs to step up and address the concerns of the common man. Some companies and corporations are already doing this and get it. They are largely privately held companies. Just my opinion and observation.
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The World doesn't owe anyone a living.
No, it certainly doesn't. The world doesn't owe anything to anything. It is up to the individual, or collective of individuals to get that living by any means necessary and one way or another they will get it.
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What do you expect; he's from the Workers Paradise of Kalifornia.
Paradise, yes. Worker's paradise? No more, or no less than anywhere else in the USA I suppose. However, please spread the word that we are all suffering horribly here. I personally would be just fine if no more people from other states move here.
Oh, and California is spelled with a C, not a K. The clue is the red underlining from the spell checker. ;)
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Kommiefornia. They've ruined that state. What a waste and tragedy.
Yes, what a tragedy. We are suffering badly. Spread the word!
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Why did Karl Marx write that stupid book in the first place?? Why did so many pick it up and get inspired?
why? greed and desire for power.
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Outlawing profitability would solve the conflict between socialism and capitalism. Yessiree. And these are merely Obama supporters. Imagine what the Berns would say!
https://youtu.be/07fTsF5BiSM (https://youtu.be/07fTsF5BiSM)
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Socialism/Communism/Fascism/Progressivism are just synonyms for the same thing. Oligarchy. Control in the hands of the few that do NOT EARN IT. They risk nothing, but their cult of personality. Our society is crumbling before our eyes, yet many can not see that. Kommiefornia is a ruptured shell of itself. It is unsustainable, and that's where we are all going.
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Socialism/Communism/Fascism/Progressivism are just synonyms for the same thing. Oligarchy. Control in the hands of the few that do NOT EARN IT. They risk nothing, but their cult of personality. Our society is crumbling before our eyes, yet many can not see that. Kommiefornia is a ruptured shell of itself. It is unsustainable, and that's where we are all going.
Bingo. Just look at my "Conversation with a Liberal Friend" thread. That was from a 55-year old guy who grew up in a lower-middle class family, is college educated (BA and MBA) and now lives in a wealthy Chicago suburb. You would think such a guy could see that the debt burden being placed on my daughter and his son is unsustainable (even before a President Sanders gets ahold of it) and will bring down THEIR country.
I guess Winston Churchill was right. He has no brain.
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Outlawing profitability would solve the conflict between socialism and capitalism. Yessiree. And these are merely Obama supporters. Imagine what the Berns would say!
https://youtu.be/07fTsF5BiSM (https://youtu.be/07fTsF5BiSM)
That there is pretty funny!! ;D
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That there is pretty funny!! ;D
Dave. Those are real voters. It's NOT funny. It's SCARY.
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Paradise, yes. Worker's paradise? No more, or no less than anywhere else in the USA I suppose. However, please spread the word that we are all suffering horribly here. I personally would be just fine if no more people from other states move here.
Oh, and California is spelled with a C, not a K. The clue is the red underlining from the spell checker. ;)
I don't know about that, my spell khekker is top khoike.
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What guns can you legally own, and/or carry in California Dave? I lived in Pleasanton in the Bay Area. I had too leave my guns in Colorado with a friend. I had enough and left.
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What guns can you legally own, and/or carry in California Dave? I lived in Pleasanton in the Bay Area. I had too leave my guns in Colorado with a friend. I had enough and left.
It's wholesale infringement of rights.
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Dave. Those are real voters. It's NOT funny. It's SCARY.
Oh please. Lighten up. John Stewart shows in the field, "man on the street" videos like this of total dumb ass conservatives every week on his show. It is funny and all we can do is laugh. I hate to break it to you, but there are total, complete idiots and morons that can legally vote for whoever on both sides of the political spectrum.
If we can no longer laugh, we have lost everything.
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I don't know about that, my spell khekker is top khoike.
Cheque intuit. Mind worms grate.
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What guns can you legally own, and/or carry in California Dave? I lived in Pleasanton in the Bay Area. I had too leave my guns in Colorado with a friend. I had enough and left.
Settle down. I am not here to defend California's politics or policies. I am against most of it. For the record, I don't like the politics here, or the way the things are moving, but most of us are powerless to do anything about it.
Whether or not I can personally strap a firearm to my side and walk freely around town is not a litmus test for where I can live. There are many, many other things that matter to me. You may, or may not believe it, but I am a life member of the NRA, a member of the California Rifle and Pistol Association, I am a member of the Second Amendment Foundation and donate money to all of them every year, including the NRA-ILA and the NRA-PVF. I take the 2nd Amendment very seriously.
However there is more to life than preparing for an imaginary gun battle. There are many factors that determine where I live, not just the 2nd Amendment. I give money to try to save the rest of the country as California slips away. I hope there will be somewhere I can move if I have to. It may astound you, but there are lots of conservatives in California, just not enough to make a difference.
There is a tide of socialist ideas sweeping across the planet and it's gaining strength. This is why I try to think of solutions to stop the tide instead of digging in my heels and screaming- "No, no! We must return to the old days!!!!" Clearly the old days weren't all that great. That's why I don't just latch onto the Tea Party, or the Purists, or the Constitutionalists, or whatever the fuck people are calling themselves this month. They don't offer much that will stop the tide towards Socialism, just more idealistic rhetoric from bygone eras.
California used to be a solid red state. It changed. How did that happen? Why did that happen? It's not alone. One by one, other states are falling and becoming blue. It's happening because capitalism has failed the lower classes. If the private sector can't deliver the "American Dream", then those people on the outside will organize and get the government to try to deliver it for them.
The serfs now have power. They out number the lords. They will get their way. IMO, the best way to stop the march to socialism is to get the private sector to consider the lower classes and help them to achieve some form of the American Dream rather than putting it on the government.
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Oh please. Lighten up. John Stewart shows in the field, "man on the street" videos like this of total dumb ass conservatives every week on his show. It is funny and all we can do is laugh. I hate to break it to you, but there are total, complete idiots and morons that can legally vote for whoever on both sides of the political spectrum.
If we can no longer laugh, we have lost everything.
otoh - some people think that there are subjects which are serious and simply not laughing matters.
We don't have to consider EVERYTHING as a joke.
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Settle down. I am not here to defend California's politics or policies. I am against most of it. For the record, I don't like the politics here, or the way the things are moving, but most of us are powerless to do anything about it.
Whether or not I can personally strap a firearm to my side and walk freely around town is not a litmus test for where I can live. There are many, many other things that matter to me. You may, or may not believe it, but I am a life member of the NRA, a member of the California Rifle and Pistol Association, I am a member of the Second Amendment Foundation and donate money to all of them every year, including the NRA-ILA and the NRA-PVF. I take the 2nd Amendment very seriously.
However there is more to life than preparing for an imaginary gun battle. There are many factors that determine where I live, not just the 2nd Amendment. I give money to try to save the rest of the country as California slips away. I hope there will be somewhere I can move if I have to. It may astound you, but there are lots of conservatives in California, just not enough to make a difference.
There is a tide of socialist ideas sweeping across the planet and it's gaining strength. This is why I try to think of solutions to stop the tide instead of digging in my heels and screaming- "No, no! We must return to the old days!!!!" Clearly the old days weren't all that great. That's why I don't just latch onto the Tea Party, or the Purists, or the Constitutionalists, or whatever the fuck people are calling themselves this month. They don't offer much that will stop the tide towards Socialism, just more idealistic rhetoric from bygone eras.
California used to be a solid red state. It changed. How did that happen? Why did that happen? It's not alone. One by one, other states are falling and becoming blue. It's happening because capitalism has failed the lower classes. If the private sector can't deliver the "American Dream", then those people on the outside will organize and get the government to try to deliver it for them.
The serfs now have power. They out number the lords. They will get their way. IMO, the best way to stop the march to socialism is to get the private sector to consider the lower classes and help them to achieve some form of the American Dream rather than putting it on the government.
Nobody with any brains think the government can do anything but disrupt the american dream. I'm in Massachusetts and since many New Hampshireites work here we've been inundated for months by Hillary and Bernie claiming they will destroy the wealthy and raise wages for everyone else. Anyone with a brain will understand these two have been actually working at this for years and most people are poorer for it. It's like the pied piper leading the masses to their destruction.
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The reason we have seen a "march to socialism" as Dave says is not because of capitalism failing. It is due to our government making it too difficult to actually exercise capitalism. We don't have capitalism anymore. We have regulations, and taxes, and more regulation, and taxes. In addition we are dealing with a cabal of government/media/education which has been indoctrinating people for the last fifty or more years to be essentially communists. The urban centers are taking over entire states and dictating their politics just by sheer numbers. We are becoming a Blue country due to the urban centers and their corruption. Combine that with the indoctrination by our institutions, and you get what we have now. Fascist Failure.
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In one of my cities in my 35-year airline career, I worked with a gentleman who was a Lebanese Christian American, US citizen. We got into a discussion of politics one time and he proclaimed that one big problem with the US was there was too much choice, too many decisions to make.
It is that kind of mindset that will contribute to our downfall.