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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 04:02:11 PM »
The common cold isn't just one virus.
Then why does chicken soup work on all varieties?  A week to ten days and you're cured!

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 12:49:04 PM »
So where's the vax for the common cold?

That’s kinda exactly my point.

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 11:27:19 AM »
Polio was the first to come to mind. How about Smallpox?

Smallpox requires prolonged face to face contact. It isn’t spread through aerosol droplets like respiratory viruses.

Also polio and smallpox were both old diseases that had been with mankind a long time. There was already partial “herd” immunity through exposure to small amounts of polio in contaminated water, and to cowpox (gives immunity to smallpox). Covid19 on the other hand is a novel virus, new to our species, we have zero immunity to it, and it mutates very rapidly like the common cold. There is zero hope we can ever get rid of it through vaccination. It’s here to stay, it’s a totally different animal than polio and smallpox. More like cold and flu.

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Spin Zone / Re: An Inconvenient Truth
« on: August 23, 2021, 10:06:15 AM »
Don’t be so dense. Go study the eradication of Polio by vaccines less than 100% effective. You might stop throwing out vacuous arguments. Or not.
Also, which experts say there must 100% vaccination? I think you pulled that assertion out of your ass.

But polio is mostly transmitted through feces, only less commonly through respiratory secretions. You really can't compare polio to a primary respiratory virus. Along with polio vaccinations they upped their game immensely with sewage handling.

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Spin Zone / Re: WTF is up with the coin shortage?
« on: August 23, 2021, 07:26:28 AM »
Until bartering is made a crime.

It's not as long as you pay your tribute to the various tax authorities.

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Spin Zone / Re: Ending the Apple Merry Go Round
« on: August 23, 2021, 06:43:26 AM »
I'm really tired of Apple and their bullshit.  Their latest about scanning material sent to the cloud is just the tip of the iceberg.

Plus Apple's allegiance to the CCP is disturbing.

Agree. I don’t know a good alternative. I don’t trust Google or Microsoft one bit more. All of our digital communications are in the hands of a few giant corporations totally complicit with the federal government and contemptuous of the first and fourth amendments.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 11:00:09 AM »
When trust in government comes from your own lack of knowledge, who is at fault? 

You don't seem to understand that you cannot just pull a number out of VAERS and scream about it, you have to compare it to the expected events in the general population.  Bottom line, we expect that roughly 40,000 people who got vaccines should have died within 2 week of getting their shot.  That actual number would be lower because you don't give a vaccine to a terminal patient.

Doctors are required to report all deaths to VAERS if they occur within 2 weeks.  We've had 200,000,000 people get at least 1 shot.  12,000 deaths is a rational number and does not indicate people are dying because of the vaccine. 

There are roughly 328m people in the US and about 2.9m of us die every year.  In any given 2 week time period, we expect 111,500 people to die.  We're roughly 34 weeks through the year, so every 2 week time period, we've had about 2.1% of the population get vaccinated on average.  Of those getting vaccinated, we expect that 2.1% * 111,500 will die - 2341 per 2 week period.  2341 * 17 time periods gives the expected value of 40k.

Your logic is right but your first sentence is wrong.  I have knowledge of these numbers but that is not the reason I don't trust the government.  I don't trust them because they lied, obfuscated, and manipulated information and are getting private Big Tech firms to censor any point of view not in lock step with the approved agenda, which by the way keeps changing. Mask? No mask? Two masks? Mask if you've been vaccinated? No mask if you've been vaccinated? etc.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 09:14:59 AM »
The vaccines do work. It is statements like this that reveal you’re one of the people who got played.

There is data. But there is no data past about a year for obvious reasons. Do you get your science from reading actual data or from some media hack who want to stir things up?  Whoever has told you the vaccines don’t work has lied to you. You can decide if it was intentional or accidental.
It depends on how you define "work".  They don't keep you from getting COVID.  They do have some effectiveness in keeping it from being severe.  But even that is being questioned.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
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But Israel later reported the vaccine’s effectiveness to be 90% effective against severe disease, but 39% against infection in its population in late June and early July, based on an analysis of the country's national health statistics. This could suggest that it is less effective against Delta or possibly waning over time, which has added to a debate about whether booster shots may be needed and for whom. All of this is still being monitored.
But since we don't know what a "case" is and most infections are asymptomatic and most people with no symptoms don't get tested we have no idea who has it, how effective the vaccine really is, how long it lasts, how its effectiveness changes over time, how effective it is on the various varieties, whether its effectiveness changes based on demographics, general health of the person, diet, supplements, other conditions, other vaccines, and on and on.

They do work?  How do you know?  Yes, I got my two shots and a booster.  I'm doing what I believe is the right thing for me and those close to me.  But I still have VERY grave doubts about big pharma and government policymakers driving the conversation.  Is it effective?  I don't know.  Will it be effective in the future?  I don't know.  Does it cause side effects?  I don't know.  Does it cause SEVERE side effects?  I don't know.  And neither does anyone else.

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Spin Zone / Re: New Covid Surge
« on: August 22, 2021, 08:27:16 AM »
With the MEDIA and Democrats it was always about number of Cases first.  Which is meaningless.   Mortality rate was always hidden.   Number of deaths have also been inflated from the beginning.  Lying scum.

A year+ ago, it was all about the daily death count, ignoring the high probability that millions of people had been exposed and suffered none/mild symptoms, many not even knowing they "had" it, thereby "justifying" the overwrought government response.

Now, all of the major news propaganda outlets tout "cases" while ignoring
-huge number of false positives
-no demographics of the dead/very ill

and making up the "cases" from the so-called "Delta Variant" to scare the skeptics into getting the jab.



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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 08:26:13 AM »
I'm going go to CVS and talk to their pharmacist. Maybe they'll take my money.

The issue is, I have the card with one dose.  Walgreens wants to start me all over, meaning, they'll shred that card and start a new card, requiring me to get the second shot if I want "proof" I'm fully vaccinated.  Otherwise I could just let them give me one more Pfizer shot and call it a day. I don't have to go back for the third. But if they won't put that shot on my existing card, will I run into problems if American Airlines starts checking cards when you travel?

I just want one more Pfizer shot and them to write it on my existing card. Then I'm through. Maybe if I ever have to show the card nobody will look at the dates.

I cannot believe I could ever be in a situation where I can't travel or take a job because my shots were 86 days apart instead of 45 days apart. But I wouldn't be surprised.


I think it’s painfully obvious at this point that the goal is going to be boosters and new series ad infinitum. There is a strong resistance in me to that.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 07:32:39 AM »
“Second doses should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible.
If it is not feasible to adhere to the recommended interval, you may schedule the second dose up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose; there is limited efficacy data beyond this window, but a dose after this time does not need to be repeated.

Help me interpret that. Does that say the second dose doesn’t need to be repeated after 6 weeks? Or between 21 days and 6 weeks?

It sound to me like after 6 weeks which would mean Walgreens lied to me.
Second the vote on checking with your doctor.  I interpret this to mean that if you're outside the 6 weeks, they really don't know if this new one counts as a second or a new first.  But if you get a second shot outside this window you don't have to get another second after that one.

Unless you have to get a booster.

This is a complete disaster.  Rolling out vaccines that may or may not work for who knows how long or how many you'll need when.  Gee... if only they did some actual testing and GOOD data collection.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 07:15:24 AM »
You have heard that the use of Ivermectin is dangerous, right?  The cases of poisoning in Mississippi got so bad that the state issued a direct warning against trying it. The concentration of what you can buy is too strong for humans. The advice to use Ivermectin is literally poisoning people.

I agree that many people have decided against the vaccines and that is sad because they work.  Ask any HC professional who is dying from COVID right now and the answer is unvaccinated people. Sure, there are some breakthrough cases, but that’s true of any vaccine. Still, you are much, much less likely to get COVID and if you do, it will be a mild case that you can recover from at home. That is a win all around and it’s sad that so many focus on the anecdotal evidence of adverse reactions.

Most people have heard of side effects like myocarditis, but they probably don’t know that there are only 792 confirmed cases out of 183,000,000 vaccinated people.  In the 12-15 range, it was 144 cases out of 6,000,000 vaccinations. If you believe the vaccines are not safe, you have been lied to, played by a media that thrives on drama.

Overall, the death rate for an unvaccinated person who gets sick is about 1.4%, but nearly 20% will have a serious case.  If we don’t control it, everyone will get sick…and we are nowhere close to controlling it.

My bell weather state right now is still Florida. Despite a very high vaccination level, the delta variant is still running wild there, again mostly among the unvaccinated. Since the most recent surge over the last two months, nearly a million more people in Florida have gotten sick. About 14,000 have died and 200,000 have had serious cases.  If there is good news, it appears the delta variant might have peaked, but you can bet there is another one coming next.  Keep in mind that is mostly unvaccinated people, so it’s a million out of the roughly 8,000,000 people who aren’t vaccinated yet, around a 12% infection rate.

People were drinking bleach too and getting poisoned. Want to ban bleach? If you’re an idiot and can’t do math to calculate the right human dose from veterinary paste, sure you’ll overdose. People eat Tide Pods. People are stupid.

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Spin Zone / Re: Why I’m not getting the vaccine
« on: August 22, 2021, 05:47:39 AM »
You have heard that the use of Ivermectin is dangerous, right? 


It would be much more accurate to say that the use of the wrong strength dosage of  Ivermectin is dangerous.  Which is pretty much true of everything, including dihydrogen monoxide.


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Spin Zone / Re: what's the goalpost now?
« on: August 20, 2021, 12:12:11 PM »
except the courts have ruled that the state and local governments can shut down churches... at least here in maskachusetts.
Sure you can. It’s easy. Just ignore these 45 words:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

States cannot violate the free exercise clause, no matter how many faithless justices say so.

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