PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on June 08, 2017, 05:50:38 AM
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Lots of hype, big speculation, the liberal progressive dreams of "the smoking gun".
And it's already crashing all around them. The MSM will lose millions of ad dollars today covering the biggest non event of the year. The pundits will take every word and analyze them hoping for just a shred, a tidbit they can attach to keep the charade going. MSNBC and CNN will make sure to use the words "Trump", "Russia", "Collusion" and "impeachment" over and over and over even though it's simply not there.
And Comey will show the world why he was relieved from his job.
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CNN had some stupid headline yesterday about how revealing the Comey testimony was, now I've noticed they've backed off. Now they say Trump's problem is trust, not Comey. ::)
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Here is Comey's prepared testimony for today:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf
I read it yesterday and there were no bombshells in there. He did confirm that he told Trump on three separate occasions that Trump himself was not under investigation.
We'll see what the testimony brings out today now that the Senators have had a chance to review his testimony and prepare questions. I expect a lot of grandstanding. Representative Al Green (D-TX) has already said he's preparing articles of impeachment to introduce to the House.
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Alan Dershowitz has repeated over and over asking for someone, anyone to step forward and show where the President has broken any laws. They can't because he hasn't.
And keep in mind Dershowitz is a liberal, but here he's actually putting the law first and in to play.
The liberal progressives have succeeded in one thing, they have brought DC to a standstill for six months perpetrating this massive hoax. Tomorrow they will be ginning up a new scandal that will consume the MSM and unfortunately congress. Our Representitives in the House and the Senate can't seem to get on with the business of the people. They stand at an unprecedented moment in history where they could accomplish so much, they could actually fulfill their campaign promises, instead they choose to play petty politics and squander the opportunity.
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Representative Al Green (D-TX) has already said he's preparing articles of impeachment to introduce to the House.
Another congressman who doesn't understand how the law works. It will be fun to read and see just what laws he thinks have been broken, or how he twist it to make it appear like they have. Too bad he doesn't have the same interest in actually doing the job he was elected to do.
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Alan Dershowitz has repeated over and over asking for someone, anyone to step forward and show where the President has broken any laws. They can't because he hasn't.
While I agree with this, to be fair, that is why Congress and the special counsel are investigating. I understand there's nothing there but this will just have to take its course now that it's happening.
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Well the Republicans were obstructionist too with Obama, but he had enough of a majority in both houses to at least ram Obamacare through. However, the Republican obstructed:
Higher taxes
Higher energy costs for MMGW "fixes"
Open, non secure borders
selective enforcement of laws, especially immigration
more government intrusion
bigger, more costly government
higher deficits
more debt
anti Second Amendment legislation, and Executive Orders
The Democrats are obstructing just he opposite.
anti Second
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CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the reports' sources.
The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.
The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.
The story was complied by four CNN journalists, including Gloria Borger, Eric Lichtblau, Jake Tapper and Brian Rokus.
Borger reiterated the reports claims in an appearance on CNN Tuesday.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/336871-cnn-issues-correction-after-comey-statement-contradicts-reporting
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While I agree with this, to be fair, that is why Congress and the special counsel are investigating. I understand there's nothing there but this will just have to take its course now that it's happening.
To be accurate, the reason why Congress and a special counsel are investigating is purely political. In six months of investigations, testimony after testimony of intelligence officials and even democrat congressmen and senators admitting to no evidence in wrong doing, no evidence of collusion the liberal progressives are still in search of something, anything they can use.
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To be accurate, the reason why Congress and a special counsel are investigating is purely political. In six months of investigations, testimony after testimony of intelligence officials and even democrat congressmen and senators admitting to no evidence in wrong doing, no evidence of collusion the liberal progressives are still in search of something, anything they can use.
You don't think there's anything concerning at all about anything going on?
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You don't think there's anything concerning at all about anything going on?
Nope, it's all political theater. The liberal progressives cooked up this whole mess after they lost an election. It has been to disrupt the administration and congress from carrying out the administrations objectives, and has worked thus far.
Come tomorrow the liberal progressives will concoct another narrative in an attempt to keep this story going and will attempt to add a few more twist.
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The only thing 'going on' is the pathetic, dying act of idiots on the left, outraged because they lost an election they felt was fixed from the start and now can't imagine living in a world where the entire country isnt their bitch.
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Nope, it's all political theater. The liberal progressives cooked up this whole mess after they lost an election. It has been to disrupt the administration and congress from carrying out the administrations objectives, and has worked thus far.
Come tomorrow the liberal progressives will concoct another narrative in an attempt to keep this story going and will attempt to add a few more twist.
All enabled by the MEDIA. This country is still largely center/right, and the media can not stand that. They will not be satisfied until the U.S. is another Europe.
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Nope, it's all political theater. The liberal progressives cooked up this whole mess after they lost an election. It has been to disrupt the administration and congress from carrying out the administrations objectives, and has worked thus far.
Come tomorrow the liberal progressives will concoct another narrative in an attempt to keep this story going and will attempt to add a few more twist.
Much of it is indeed political theater, but not all of it. Trump has kept this going by his tweeting as well, which isn't helping anything. There's a string of events that are concerning in this matter, whether it's illegal or not.
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Trump has kept this going by his tweeting as well, which isn't helping anything.
Yep, that's the narrative the MSM wants you to believe. Wonder why the MSM hates Trump using social media? That's because he bypasses them and keeps them from taking his comments and editing them into soundbites so they can attempt to control what comes from him. How dare the President state his opinion without the consent of the MSM.
There's a string of events that are concerning in this matter, whether it's illegal or not.
Bullshit. There is a lot of twisting and contorting by the liberal progressives in order to make it appear there was wrong doing when it's been proven over and over there was not.
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Much of it is indeed political theater, but not all of it. Trump has kept this going by his tweeting as well, which isn't helping anything. There's a string of events that are concerning in this matter, whether it's illegal or not.
What is concerning to me is that this is just not "politics". Republicans play games too, but they don't have the media to support lies, and made up calls for impeachment like the Democrats do. This is willful subversion of a legitimate government to the detriment of our citizens. Look what is happening in Europe. We are more at risk now because the Dems won't support, and the Courts won't allow the temporary travel moratorium from a few selected countries.
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Yep, that's the narrative the MSM wants you to believe. Wonder why the MSM hates Trump using social media? That's because he bypasses them and keeps them from taking his comments and editing them into soundbites so they can attempt to control what comes from him. How dare the President state his opinion without the consent of the MSM.
Nonsense. It's obvious the President has the ability to use Twitter and speak directly to the American people. He isn't helping himself with many of his tweets, though. He can't stop himself from tweeting and when it's something new, the media goes crazy over it for obvious reasons. When the leader of the free world speaks, people listen regardless of the medium through which he speaks.
Bullshit. There is a lot of twisting and contorting by the liberal progressives in order to make it appear there was wrong doing when it's been proven over and over there was not.
The Russians attempting to interfere in the election isn't concerning? Kushner trying to establish a back channel with the Russians using their embassy equipment isn't concerning? It can be true that these things are concerning but not illegal. It can be true that these things are dumb and show Trump and his team's inexperience and not be illegal.
This idea that Trump is 100% correct and hasn't done anything wrong or hasn't hurt his own agenda is silly.
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I agree on the fact that Trump tweets a bit too much, and legitimizes some issues he should just ignore. I am not saying he shouldn't tweet at all, but he gives legs to stories that may go away by themselves by stirring the pot. It is one of his flaws, and ego driven.
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Nonsense. It's obvious the President has the ability to use Twitter and speak directly to the American people. He isn't helping himself with many of his tweets, though. He can't stop himself from tweeting and when it's something new, the media goes crazy over it for obvious reasons. When the leader of the free world speaks, people listen regardless of the medium through which he speaks.
It's obvious the President's tweets bother you. However most people could care less, and many people appreciate having a President who is comfortable using social media and appreciate he speaks directly without going through the MSM.
The Russians attempting to interfere in the election isn't concerning?
Got news for you, this is not the first election the Russians have tried to interfere with. Were you concerned when President Obama used taxpayer money and attempted to interfere with the Israeli election? Have you been concerned when the US has interfered in several foreign elections?
Foreign espionage is nothing new, that's why we have intelligence agencies. Politicizing this is pure politics.
Kushner trying to establish a back channel with the Russians using their embassy equipment isn't concerning? It can be true that these things are concerning but not illegal. It can be true that these things are dumb and show Trump and his team's inexperience and not be illegal.
So, several administrations have established "back channel" communications. The latest was Obama who held back channel communications with the Iranians. Where is your concern with that?
This idea that Trump is 100% correct and hasn't done anything wrong or hasn't hurt his own agenda is silly.
No one has said he has been 100% correct. But what I see is a Liberal Progressive agenda to bring down a sitting president, a compliant MSM all to willing to help. And all of this theater is pure nonsense bullshit.
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And Senator Feinstein has just told Comey what a wonderful job he did and how sorry she is that it's come to this.
Funny, just a few months ago she was calling for him to step down.
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It's obvious the President's tweets bother you. However most people could care less, and many people appreciate having a President who is comfortable using social media and appreciate he speaks directly without going through the MSM.
The President's tweets bother a lot of people. I have no problem with him tweeting and speaking directly to the people, but he isn't helping himself with some of his tweets. But don't try and twist this that every single thing he tweets is good.
Got news for you, this is not the first election the Russians have tried to interfere with. Were you concerned when President Obama used taxpayer money and attempted to interfere with the Israeli election? Have you been concerned when the US has interfered in several foreign elections?
You're trying to change the narrative. We're talking about Russians interfering with our elections and that, to me, is concerning. I don't want the outcome of an election determined by a foreign power. If you want to discuss our interfering in other nation's elections, start a new thread and we'll discuss that.
So, several administrations have established "back channel" communications. The latest was Obama who held back channel communications with the Iranians. Where is your concern with that?
I have no problem with back channels. Every presidency has done it. The part that is concerning is that Kushner wanted to use Russian equipment. That could simply be his inexperience or it could be he had a reason for it. I don't know, but it's not good either way.
No one has said he has been 100% correct. But what I see is a Liberal Progressive agenda to bring down a sitting president, a compliant MSM all to willing to help. And all of this theater is pure nonsense bullshit.
You appear to be defending him at every turn and blaming the media and liberals for everything. They deserve their fair share of blame, but Trump owns part of this as well.
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Got news for you, this is not the first election the Russians have tried to interfere with. Were you concerned when President Obama used taxpayer money and attempted to interfere with the Israeli election? Have you been concerned when the US has interfered in several foreign elections?
Obama tried to influence the recent French election for president. I don't hear anyone jumping up and down and screaming about that.
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The President's tweets bother a lot of people. I have no problem with him tweeting and speaking directly to the people, but he isn't helping himself with some of his tweets. But don't try and twist this that every single thing he tweets is good.
I haven't. I could care less what he tweets or puts on social media. And I understand why the MSM hates his use of social media.
You're trying to change the narrative. We're talking about Russians interfering with our elections and that, to me, is concerning. I don't want the outcome of an election determined by a foreign power. If you want to discuss our interfering in other nation's elections, start a new thread and we'll discuss that.
Why is it all of the sudden concerning? Hell, up till November 7th the democrats weren't concerned in the least. Again you are pretending (along with the progressives) that this is something new and has only happened with this election.
Again, please produce the evidence. So far all of the officials of our intelligence community have stated, under oath, there is no evidence. Even Comey just admitted that there is no evidence of Russian interference with the election.
And by the way, I'll discuss whatever I wish here that I see pertinent to the conversation. Your sanctimonious crap about what we can or cannot discuss here is irrelevant.
I have no problem with back channels. Every presidency has done it. The part that is concerning is that Kushner wanted to use Russian equipment. That could simply be his inexperience or it could be he had a reason for it. I don't know, but it's not good either way.
So you know, for certain, this hasn't been done with previous administrations? And from what I read, the people present during that meeting said it was the Russian Ambassador that suggested using Russian equipment, and that Kushner didn't agree nor disagree.
You appear to be defending him at every turn and blaming the media and liberals for everything. They deserve their fair share of blame, but Trump owns part of this as well.
I don't swallow the narrative of the MSM, apparently you do. I prefer to use logic and critical thinking and use other sources than the MSM for my information.
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Obama tried to influence the recent French election for president. I don't hear anyone jumping up and down and screaming about that.
Good point. Didn't they also elect a big liberal/progressive?
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http://circa.com/politics/comey-says-former-obama-ag-pressured-him-on-clinton-email-case
For the first time, former FBI Director James Comey, who is testifying today before the Senate Intelligence Committee, said that President Obama's Attorney General Loretta Lynch asked him to call the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email scandal a "matter" and not an "investigation."
Under questioning by panel chairman Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), Comey said that he was uncomfortable with the unexpected meeting Lynch had with former President Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac last year.
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So Comey has just admitted that the Russian attempts to interfere with US elections has been an ongoing thing for years and he suspects there will be more in the future. Senator King makes a point it's not Republican or Democrats that they are favoring, it's the election process itself.
Senator Blunt made several great points and showed, again, why Comey should have been fired.
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The DOJ under Obama has to be the most corrupt justice department ever! Holder, Lynch? Political stooges.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/comey-debunks-nyt-report-about-trump-campaign-having-repeated-contacts
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He did confirm that he told Trump on three separate occasions that Trump himself was not under investigation.
What more is there to say?
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The ONLY reason liberals, democrats and make believe moderates are 'concerned' about Donald Trump tweeting is because they can't filter and obstruct the message ahead of delivery.
Period.
Full stop.
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The ONLY reason liberals, democrats and make believe moderates are 'concerned' about Donald Trump tweeting is because they can't filter and obstruct the message ahead of delivery.
Period.
Full stop.
I agree with that to a point. I do think he should just let some things go, so the media, and Dems have nothing further to attack, but I have NO problem him going around the media via twitter.
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I agree with that to a point. I do think he should just let some things go, so the media, and Dems have nothing further to attack, but I have NO problem him going around the media via twitter.
Doesn't matter, they will just find something else. If he stopped using social media, then there will be multiple stories "Trump ORDERED by Attorneys to Stop Using Social Media!", "Trump No Longer Tweets Because It May Implicate Him!", "What is Trump Hiding From!", etc, etc, etc.
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Even the liberals are now starting to see the end of their fantasy.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/chris-matthews-trump-russia-collusion-theory-came-apart-with-comey-testimony/article/2625372
Liberal MSNBC host Chris Matthews said Thursday the accusation that President Trump directly colluded with Russia to interfere in the U.S. election "came apart" following former FBI Director James Comey's testimony in front of Congress.
In his written and spoken testimony on Thursday, Comey said that he never felt that Trump had tried to impede the FBI's investigation into Russia, even that the president had encouraged it and he suggested that former national security adviser Mike Flynn wasn't at the heart of the investigation.
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Doesn't matter, they will just find something else. If he stopped using social media, then there will be multiple stories "Trump ORDERED by Attorneys to Stop Using Social Media!", "Trump No Longer Tweets Because It May Implicate Him!", "What is Trump Hiding From!", etc, etc, etc.
The media largely should just be ignored. I think many people know they are just corrupt.
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The media largely should just be ignored. I think many people know they are just corrupt.
Agreed. The idea that he should abandon social media is exactly what the liberal progressives are seeking.
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Why is it all of the sudden concerning? Hell, up till November 7th the democrats weren't concerned in the least.
It's not "all of a sudden" concerning. Whenever a foreign power tries to influence our elections, it's concerning. I don't care what election or which foreign power.
Again you are pretending (along with the progressives) that this is something new and has only happened with this election.
Are you really trying to call me a progressive because I find it concerning?
Again, please produce the evidence. So far all of the officials of our intelligence community have stated, under oath, there is no evidence. Even Comey just admitted that there is no evidence of Russian interference with the election.
There is no question that the Russians tried to influence our elections. What is in question is whether or not it was successful, and by all accounts it was not.
So you know, for certain, this hasn't been done with previous administrations? And from what I read, the people present during that meeting said it was the Russian Ambassador that suggested using Russian equipment, and that Kushner didn't agree nor disagree.
No. Stop trying to change the narrative or twist this for your benefit. It's concerning that a back channel was attempted to be established using Russian equipment. I read the report that it wasn't Kushner who asked to use the Russian equipment. I don't know what really happened and neither do you. It's concerning either way, regardless of who asked to use the equipment.
I don't swallow the narrative of the MSM, apparently you do. I prefer to use logic and critical thinking and use other sources than the MSM for my information.
No, but I put a little more thought into things beyond just screaming that the media is all evil, liberals are evil and Trump is perfect.
The funny thing about this little debate we have going on is that you and I actually agree on the large points, I just disagree with your line of thinking. I think Trump has made several poor decisions that have helped fuel the narrative being spun by the media and Democrats that he colluded with Russia, or tried to get Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. I don't think any of what he did was illegal, just poor decisions.
Today's testimony by Comey actually revealed that the Obama administration along with Loretta Lynch actually tried to align themselves with a political campaign, not Donald Trump or his campaign.
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http://circa.com/politics/comey-says-former-obama-ag-pressured-him-on-clinton-email-case
Like I said in my last post, I found this to be one of the biggest things to come out of today's testimony. Comey basically admitted to letting it happen but didn't report it. Instead, he said that's what made him go public about the Clinton case. If I recall correctly from his testimony, he actually said that Clinton and/or her campaign was under criminal investigation, something Trump was not and is not.
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So Comey has just admitted that the Russian attempts to interfere with US elections has been an ongoing thing for years and he suspects there will be more in the future. Senator King makes a point it's not Republican or Democrats that they are favoring, it's the election process itself.
Senator Blunt made several great points and showed, again, why Comey should have been fired.
Correct. I find it concerning that a foreign power, in this case the Russians, are attempting to influence our elections. I'm not surprised by it, but I find it disturbing nonetheless. That means we need to constantly find ways to secure our elections, our voting machines, and the voters.
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The ONLY reason liberals, democrats and make believe moderates are 'concerned' about Donald Trump tweeting is because they can't filter and obstruct the message ahead of delivery.
Period.
Full stop.
No, that's not it.
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Correct. I find it concerning that a foreign power, in this case the Russians, are attempting to influence our elections. I'm not surprised by it, but I find it disturbing nonetheless. That means we need to constantly find ways to secure our elections, our voting machines, and the voters.
And that's why we have intelligence departments.
Dragging it back and forth through the media for political circus does nothing.
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Remember when.............
President Clinton fired FBI Director William Sessions?
Just before Bill Clinton was inaugurated as the 42nd President of the United States on January 20, 1993, allegations of ethical improprieties were made against Sessions. A report by outgoing Attorney General William P. Barr presented to the Justice Department that month by the Office of Professional Responsibility included criticisms that he had used an FBI plane to travel to visit his daughter on several occasions, and had a security system installed in his home at government expense. Janet Reno, the 78th Attorney General of the United States, announced that Sessions had exhibited "serious deficiencies in judgment."
Although Sessions denied that he had acted improperly, he was pressured to resign in early July, with some suggesting that President Clinton was giving Sessions the chance to step down in a dignified manner. Sessions refused, saying that he had done nothing wrong, and insisted on staying in office until his successor was confirmed. As a result, President Clinton dismissed Sessions on July 19, 1993. Sessions was five and a half years into a ten-year term as FBI director; however, the holder of this post serves at the pleasure of the President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Sessions
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/dershowitz-comey-confirms-that-im-right-and-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.html
By Alan Dershowitz Published June 08, 2017 Fox News
In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.
Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.
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http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/the-impeach-trump-conspiracy/
Pressed by Megyn Kelly on his ties to President Trump, an exasperated Vladimir Putin blurted out, “We had no relationship at all. … I never met him. … Have you all lost your senses over there?”
Yes, Vlad, we have.
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The media invented the entire Russian "hacking", and Putin relationship with Trump because they were butt hurt Hillary lost, and want to de-legitimize Trump. I am still trying a way that we can hold the media accountable for these lies other than just not watching or reading them. They have NO credibility.
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Here's what we have learned from the Comey hearing:
1) President Trump has never been under investigation.
2) President Trump never obstructed justice.
3) President Trump or his campaign never colluded with Russia.
4) Russia did not alter the outcome of the election.
5) Comey leaked his own memos, which are government property.
6) Loretta Lynch pressured Comey to cover for Hillary Clinton.
7) There was ample evidence to prosecute Hillary Clinton but Comey chose not to pursue it.
8 ) CNN and the other fake news outlets of the MSM have been lying and making up stories to hurt the President and his administration.
9) The liberal progressives have now lost the ability to scream "Russia!" every time they disagree with the Trump administration.
10) The Russia story is dead.
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10) The Russia story is dead.
The fact that Republicans say that there's nothing to the story will be interpreted by far too many as yet more evidence that something is being covered up. They have already convinced themselves that Trump is guilty and needs to be impeached if not hanged and all the evidence to the contrary will be vehemently denied.
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The fact that Republicans say that there's nothing to the story will be interpreted by far too many as yet more evidence that something is being covered up. They have already convinced themselves that Trump is guilty and needs to be impeached if not hanged and all the evidence to the contrary will be vehemently denied.
Trump, and the Republicans need to unite, and just move his agenda forward. They need to ignore the media, and focus on.
Jobs, and the economy
A fossil fuel energy plan/policy
Securing the borders
Cutting government agencies
Reducing the deficit, and debt
A sane foreign policy
Get to work guys/gals!
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Trump, and the Republicans need to unite, and just move his agenda forward. They need to ignore the media, and focus on.
Jobs, and the economy
A fossil fuel energy plan/policy
Securing the borders
Cutting government agencies
Reducing the deficit, and debt
A sane foreign policy
Get to work guys/gals!
Unfortunately we still have the establishment republicans, which are de facto the republican wing of the democrat party.
They are running out the clock, dragging their feet and hoping to get Trump out of the WH come 2020. Their leaders are Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and they only answer to the donor class that resides within the beltway.
2018 needs to clean out these swamp dwellers and get some people in place that actually represent the people that elect them.
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I kind of see that is what Trump seems to be doing. He may be sniping a bit with his tweets(I don't have a twit acct, so don't really know), but actually he's kept busy. Just announced a bunch of bench appts, and taking his travel ban to SCOTUS, also doing his thing with the ME, and he's also working on cutting more regs. As well as his roll-out of the infrastructure update. Comey was a side-show Bob production put on by the libs. They got their face on the tube, along with the dog and pony. Trump didn't seem all that interested aside from some late night tweets.
On with the show!
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Doesn't matter, they will just find something else. If he stopped using social media, then there will be multiple stories "Trump ORDERED by Attorneys to Stop Using Social Media!", "Trump No Longer Tweets Because It May Implicate Him!", "What is Trump Hiding From!", etc, etc, etc.
Oddly, Trump has ordered some federal agencies to stop using social media.
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The right way to have handled this would have been, if Trump insisted on firing Comey, that he also insist that the investigation continue under the new leadership.
I continue to say that Trump is a disgrace and embarrassment to our nation. I can't defend Comey because I really don't know anything about him. But trash-talking Comey to Putin served no good purpose.
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The right way to have handled this would have been, if Trump insisted on firing Comey, that he also insist that the investigation continue under the new leadership.
I continue to say that Trump is a disgrace and embarrassment to our nation. I can't defend Comey because I really don't know anything about him. But trash-talking Comey to Putin served no good purpose.
I thought Comey said three times that there was no investigation? Why do you think Trump is a disgrace, and embarrassment to our nation? What has he done as President to deserve that? I was never a big fan of his due to his ego, and personality, but I agree with his agenda, and many of his statements on policy.
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The right way to have handled this would have been, if Trump insisted on firing Comey, that he also insist that the investigation continue under the new leadership.
What investigation? How many more people do you need to have come forward and say after 6 months there is no evidence? On Weds the heads of several intelligence agencies were testifying there is no evidence. On Thursday you saw the former FBI director say there is no evidence. And the congress members as well as the senate investigating have all said the same thing, "There is no evidence!"
And where did you see that Trump has tried to stop any investigation?
I continue to say that Trump is a disgrace and embarrassment to our nation. I can't defend Comey because I really don't know anything about him.
Yet you watch Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and you aren't embarrassed by their inane behavior? How about the clowns such as Maxine Waters or Al Franken?
You "don't know anything about Comey" because he failed you yesterday and didn't produce the smoking gun you had hoped for.
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Almost 6 months in office. New strict constructionist supreme court judge. Border crossings way down(not so much in CA, but other border states like mine are way, way down). More deportations. Following the law as written and not making it up to suit political bias. DJIA, NASDAQ, Dow - up, up, and up(new record highs). Just inked new billion $$ sales to SA and other partners in the ME. Finally clear of the Russian thing(see the docs that Winter disclosed, admitting Russian interference but NO coop from or with Trump campaign). Out of the stupid wealth transfer scheme call a 'climate accord' which had NOTHING to do with emission reduction.
You damn right I'm on board. Do I like his idiotic tweets? No. Is he good at intl BS, and 'diplomacy'? No. Does that really matter to me? No. I'm kind of a results guy when it comes to govt functions, and so far - winning.
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And where did you see that Trump has tried to stop any investigation?
Yet you watch Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and you aren't embarrassed by their inane behavior? How about the clowns such as Maxine Waters or Al Franken?
You "don't know anything about Comey" because he failed you yesterday and didn't produce the smoking gun you had hoped for.
The Democrats, and their media counterparts are UNHINGED. There are Republican looney tunes also though, just not as many. McCain comes to mind. ::)
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Almost 6 months in office. New strict constructionist supreme court judge. Border crossings way down(not so much in CA, but other border states like mine are way, way down). More deportations. Following the law as written and not making it up to suit political bias. DJIA, NASDAQ, Dow - up, up, and up(new record highs). Just inked new billion $$ sales to SA and other partners in the ME. Finally clear of the Russian thing(see the docs that Winter disclosed, admitting Russian interference but NO coop from or with Trump campaign). Out of the stupid wealth transfer scheme call a 'climate accord' which had NOTHING to do with emission reduction.
You damn right I'm on board. Do I like his idiotic tweets? No. Is he good at intl BS, and 'diplomacy'? No. Does that really matter to me? No. I'm kind of a results guy when it comes to govt functions, and so far - winning.
Spot on!
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The right way to have handled this would have been, if Trump insisted on firing Comey, that he also insist that the investigation continue under the new leadership.
I continue to say that Trump is a disgrace and embarrassment to our nation. I can't defend Comey because I really don't know anything about him. But trash-talking Comey to Putin served no good purpose.
What investigation would that be?
The pathetic Comey testified that there NEVER was an investigation....
Do you need to pretend otherwise to soothe the butt hurt of losing so many seats in November?
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I didn't watch anything yesterday. And the investigation I was referring to was about Russia interfering with the election...not about investigating Trump personally.
As for his embarrassments, if you don't see it there's nothing I can say to you. As for results, he's done a lot of things wrong, but he's also done a lot of things right. The down side is that he's killing his own agenda with many of his actions. No one is focusing on his accomplishments because the focus is on his other stupid stumblings. Get him to act like a mature adult and that could change on a moments notice. How many advisors have told him to stop tweeting stupid rants in the middle of the night? And get his idiot children to keep their mouths shut.
I applaud much of what he's done, especially with regard to immigration. I think he may do so much more in other areas as well. But damn, do it with an ounce of dignity.
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I didn't watch anything yesterday. And the investigation I was referring to was about Russia interfering with the election...not about investigating Trump personally.
Again, show us where Trump has tried to stop this. You are the one that alluded to that in your post.
As for his embarrassments, if you don't see it there's nothing I can say to you. As for results, he's done a lot of things wrong, but he's also done a lot of things right. The down side is that he's killing his own agenda with many of his actions. No one is focusing on his accomplishments because the focus is on his other stupid stumblings. Get him to act like a mature adult and that could change on a moments notice. How many advisors have told him to stop tweeting stupid rants in the middle of the night? And get his idiot children to keep their mouths shut.
I applaud much of what he's done, especially with regard to immigration. I think he may do so much more in other areas as well. But damn, do it with an ounce of dignity.
You and the never Trump minority are the vocal complainers and calling his moves "embarrassments", but you aren't fooling anyone as that's just liberal talking points in action.
And his "idiot children" as you put it (and again following liberal talking points) ? They are all accomplished business people and they rightly stand by their father and family. And yes they defend him when mouth foaming liberal progressives attack with their meaningless accusations.
Just imagine a couple of years ago had someone, anyone from the right had called Obama's children idiots. Could you just imagine the cries of racism and "how dare you!" from the progressives.
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Every socialist/democrat in the nation is focusing on nothing but his embarrassments, and tweets. He could cure cancer, balance the budget, unite islam and jews and the socialist/democrat would still find hate in everything and anything. Look at the tweets from Winter! This is all we are inundated with from the MSM because they are all about confirmation bias.
Trump is a piece of shit! screams CNN 'journalist'. The weak minded lap it up like pablum. CNN has one principle job. They sell beer, and chebbys, and deodorant. That is what they do. Their secondary job is mass population manipulation. Moving the entire country further left by flaming the HATE of the president. And they are in good company. ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NYT and all the other outlets are on board the hate Trump train.
Does it feel good down in the ball-sack? I guess so, because aside from one actress being censured for hold the bloody stump of the current president in a picture where she is posed as a serious ISIS inspired lunatic, anything and everything else is fair game. The nose ring is in, and the harness is attached. 'Lead on Alinsky! We are with you!'
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We see with progressives here, as with progressives everywhere, this obsession with hating Donald Trump.
Their entire party has devolved into a 24/7 hate fest that feeds on itself and sees it 'leaders' run out and fund raise off of everything that they can attack.
When a natural disaster, muslim terror attack, or serious event occurs, conservatives run out and try to help. Progressives make inane speeches and raise money for planned parenthood and progressive elections.
When Donald Trump points out the obvious progressives are so outraged that screaming, foaming at the mouth, stupidity and calls for violence are automatic, thoughtless and dangerous.
Now progressives are touting the pathetic pig, Kamela Harris as their 'rising start.' If that doesn;t point out how far in the gutter their party has fallen, nothing will.
When Gerhardt says that, 'if you don't see it there's nothing I can say to you,' he is pointing out that we refuse to be ordered about like idiot robots by the talking point purveyors. Progressives march in lock step because they are told to. Conservatives think and react based on the circumstances. That is the greatest difference between the two groups. And because progressives are so comfortable being told what to think, how to feel, and what to believe, they are outraged to discover that we don't follow their orders.
AS George Will Said, 'liberals are shocked to discover that there is another side to every story.'
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AS George Will Said, 'liberals are shocked to discover that there is another side to every story.'
Because people tend to be liberal when young and grow more conservative with age, it can be argued that liberalism appeals to the less mature. Being unable to see that there is another side to the story is a sign of immaturity (or narcissistic personality disorder). Conservatives have their faults (becoming overly rigid with age might be one of them) but liberals display emotional immaturity far more. I think it's a characteristic of liberalism. The immature child believes money comes from some vague unlimited source (their parent's teller machine) and if you don't mature out of that mindset, you become a middle aged liberal who believes money spent on government programs has some vague unlimited source. They never make the concrete connection between finite human work hours and wealth creation. That you cannot manufacture wealth out of nothing, out of redistributing money taken from one and given to another. It takes maturity to understand that concept. Liberals never seem to get there.
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So much for rational discussion here.
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So much for rational discussion here.
Why? Because everyone doesn't agree with you? You made a couple of post and put forth your thought. Then it was questioned and in turn facts were presented. Instead of using factual information or thoughtful discussion, let alone critical thinking or independent thought, you resorted to name calling and telling us about how you "feel".
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I didn't watch anything yesterday. And the investigation I was referring to was about Russia interfering with the election...not about investigating Trump personally.
As for his embarrassments, if you don't see it there's nothing I can say to you. As for results, he's done a lot of things wrong, but he's also done a lot of things right. The down side is that he's killing his own agenda with many of his actions. No one is focusing on his accomplishments because the focus is on his other stupid stumblings. Get him to act like a mature adult and that could change on a moments notice. How many advisors have told him to stop tweeting stupid rants in the middle of the night? And get his idiot children to keep their mouths shut.
I applaud much of what he's done, especially with regard to immigration. I think he may do so much more in other areas as well. But damn, do it with an ounce of dignity.
Hope you can nderstand that no media outlet is going to report on his successes. They want him to fail plain and simple.
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So much for rational discussion here.
Do you deny that you (and/or liberals in general) have an obsession with hating Trump?
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Do you deny that you (and/or liberals in general) have an obsession with hating Trump?
Gerhardt is not a liberal. I have no idea why you'd suggest he has an obsession with hating Trump, just because he made a few posts expressing his dislike. And since we're on the topic of maturity, you ought to be able to have a discussion without calling your debate opponent obsessed.
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Gerhardt is not a liberal. I have no idea why you'd suggest he has an obsession with hating Trump, just because he made a few posts expressing his dislike. And since we're on the topic of maturity, you ought to be able to have a discussion without calling your debate opponent obsessed.
I apologize, gerhardt! I got mixed up and thought asechrest made that post. I'm not paying attention.
Number7 was the one that suggested liberals are obsessed with hating Trump and I agree, it sure seems that way. But if you are offended at the suggestion you are obsessed with hating Trump I will rephrase it. I'll remove "obsession" and just ask, "Why do you hate Trump so much?"
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Gerhardt is not a liberal. I have no idea why you'd suggest he has an obsession with hating Trump, just because he made a few posts expressing his dislike. And since we're on the topic of maturity, you ought to be able to have a discussion without calling your debate opponent obsessed.
She didn't. Go back and read what she wrote.
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She didn't. Go back and read what she wrote.
I did. She did. She apologized.
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I apologize, gerhardt! I got mixed up and thought asechrest made that post. I'm not paying attention.
Number7 was the one that suggested liberals are obsessed with hating Trump and I agree, it sure seems that way. But if you are offended at the suggestion you are obsessed with hating Trump I will rephrase it. I'll remove "obsession" and just ask, "Why do you hate Trump so much?"
If I was obsessed with hating Trump, I wouldn't have voted third party.
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If I was obsessed with hating Trump, I wouldn't have voted third party.
Well I'll give you credit for not voting for Hillary.
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So much for rational discussion here.
How sweet...
You lose on points and immediately attack the intelligence of those that beat you.