PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on November 12, 2017, 06:56:14 AM
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https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2017/11/12/is-there-nothing-republicans-cant-screw-up-n2408233
Republicans are likely to continue their legislative losing streak because they’re afraid to govern on the principles they were elected on out of fear of losing their offices. If they continue to fail to do so, voters will relieve them of that burden.
It's been an unbelievable year to watch. After years of crying "repeal!" on Obamacare they really didn't have a plan in place (such as the total repeal they sent to BHO in 2016) and come to find out they really didn't mean it.
Then after actually appropriating the money and getting a border wall in legislation (under GWB) now they just can't bring themselves to actual start building it.
Which brings us to the tax plan. Yet another totally fucked up mess compliments of Ryan and McConnell. Calling those two ass clowns would be an insult to the ass clowns worldwide.
And let's not forget the circus of Mueller in his inquisition to oust a president elected under our constitution. That whole episode is rotten to the core but yet the establishment republicans just sit back with hopes that Mueller will do their dirty work.
The vitriol displayed by the establishment republicans should be an eye opener to everyone, especially those who live in the districts where they are purported to serve. They (establishment) are so entrenched in the DC swamp that they are willing to give control of the government back to the establishment democrats in order to protect their empire of largesse. The senate establishment republicans are more than willing to give up a senate seat in Alabama so they can prevent a candidate that may support the president's agenda to the democrats.
At first I wondered why McConnell was letting Schumer run circles around him but now it's evident they are partners in continuing the establishment swamp. And I thought Boehner was a pitiful excuse of a Speaker, but Paul Ryan has proven he is just as bad, even worse.
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Well said. The House tax plan is a sham. I've read it and modeled it, and many of my clients will get a tax increase. Reagan took 5 years to get the Tax Reform Act of 1986 written and passed. This POS now needs to get rushed through so people like me won't notice that bad parts of it.
Two examples. The 35% bracket goes DOWN from $400,000 to $260,000, ensnaring many of us in a higher marginal bracket.
Also, S Corp, LLC, and rental real estate will now be subject to Self-Employment tax.
Whoops. Did Ryan just forget to mention that?
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Well said. The House tax plan is a sham. I've read it and modeled it, and many of my clients will get a tax increase. Reagan took 5 years to get the Tax Reform Act of 1986 written and passed. This POS now needs to get rushed through so people like me won't notice that bad parts of it.
Two examples. The 35% bracket goes DOWN from $400,000 to $260,000, ensnaring many of us in a higher marginal bracket.
Also, S Corp, LLC, and rental real estate will now be subject to Self-Employment tax.
Whoops. Did Ryan just forget to mention that?
I had to laugh when Ryan was talking about the (approx) $100/month tax savings the middle class would "enjoy". He was going on and on about what a big deal this was. Really? This ass clown is so out of touch with reality and is such a bullshit politician he thinks that by throwing a few scraps to the peasants he and his cronies can fuck over everybody else so they (establishment) can have even more of our money to buy votes with.
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Here's a fun fact to better enlighten those to understand why the establishment types will stop at nothing to fuck over anyone and everyone to keep control.
Sen Mitch McConnell has spent his entire adult life in public service and did not come from a wealthy family.
So what has years of public service on a senator's salary netted McConnell? A net worth of $10 million. 30% of that since 2010 alone.
Take the time to go look at other establishment swamp dwellers and the fortunes they have amassed. It's really an eye opener as to why they are doing what is going on.
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Before the election I was trying to tell my Trump hating relatives why he was so popular: because he was a D.C. outsider, that the real divide in this country isn't Democrat vs Republican, it's us the common people vs what we're now calling the swamp, the politicians in power. Look what the Democrats did to Bernie Sanders and now look what the Republicans are doing to Trump. Trump never was a genuine conservative; what he was, was an alternative to the status quo. The Republicans must really hate him because they failed to do what Hillary did to Sanders - force him out before he had a chance to let us, the people, choose him over them.
Both parties are still willfully ignoring the message: We the People are sick of your shit.
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I just hope that enough people (R and D, I) are fed up enough come November to start a real swamp drain. They ALL need to go. The message must be loud and clear to the remaining senators after 2018 that the voters have had enough. Wipe out congress in 2018 and start with a fresh slate. Get a real Speaker that will work for the business of the American citizen.
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Here's a fun fact to better enlighten those to understand why the establishment types will stop at nothing to fuck over anyone and everyone to keep control.
Sen Mitch McConnell has spent his entire adult life in public service and did not come from a wealthy family.
So what has years of public service on a senator's salary netted McConnell? A net worth of $10 million. 30% of that since 2010 alone.
Take the time to go look at other establishment swamp dwellers and the fortunes they have amassed. It's really an eye opener as to why they are doing what is going on.
He, like so many pols, made "savvy investments."
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I just hope that enough people (R and D, I) are fed up enough come November to start a real swamp drain. They ALL need to go. The message must be loud and clear to the remaining senators after 2018 that the voters have had enough. Wipe out congress in 2018 and start with a fresh slate. Get a real Speaker that will work for the business of the American citizen.
Where I've lived for the last 17 years has been solid R forever.
The Dems just had a complete shut out of R incumbents last week during the local elections.
Registered Republicans stayed home.
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He, like so many pols, made "savvy investments."
And here's the funny part: Government workers are forbidden from using the same tactics that congress carved out for themselves. Let a worker in any of the federal beauracracy do what the members of congress do in regards to investing and it's a pink slip with possible jail time.
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Where I've lived for the last 17 years has been solid R forever.
The Dems just had a complete shut out of R incumbents last week during the local elections.
Registered Republicans stayed home.
That doesn't cut it as we are just trading one part of the establishment for the other part.
The establishment clearly doesn't care which party is in control as it really doesn't matter to them.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/11/13/the-gop-establishment-wants-to-burn-down-the-village-to-save-it-for-itself-n2408458
Is the GOPe planning on throwing the mid-term election to teach us uppity rubes a lesson?
Crazy? Would you put it past them? According to some of the fanatic Never Trumpers – who overlap with much of the GOPe/Conservative Inc. crew – we have some sort of moral obligation to lose as penance for not adhering to their measured, sensible guidance. Make no mistake – some of them see a defeat in 2018 as the first step back to their former glory. Think of all the cruise cabins they can sell in 2019 to folks eager to hear from superstars like Vin Weber and Eric Cantor about the great stuff the GOP will do when it controls the House again!
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I just hope that enough people (R and D, I) are fed up enough come November to start a real swamp drain. They ALL need to go. The message must be loud and clear to the remaining senators after 2018 that the voters have had enough. Wipe out congress in 2018 and start with a fresh slate. Get a real Speaker that will work for the business of the American citizen.
It is a pipe dream. Too many lock themselves into the mode of voting straight line for their party thinking that way they "win". That just empowers the fanatics to more stupid fanatic stuff in DC.
1 AMU a year isn't much of a tax break. We aren't going to "enjoy" it, it's just a little relief from the mandated extra mortgage payment for healthcare.
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In a word, no, there is literally nothing that the establishment cannot or will not fuck up.
They will hand the keys to the crazies on the left just to punish us for not following their master plan this last time, knowing fully in advance what the results of the petty and vindictive Dem's will be in power.
There are no words to describe my aggravation, frustration and disappointment - a pox on all their houses.
'Gimp
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I was having a great dream last night involving a beach, suntan oil, a young Bo Derek and suddenly there's Paul Ryan honking on about how much they're going to save me so much money on my car insurance...
Apparently no, there is nothing the Republicans can't screw up...
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I am a rube at beltway politics. So - maybe like millions of others in various fly-over places, I keep waiting, waiting, waiting,,, for the change that the 2016 elections brought in. Maybe I didn't realize, or didn't want to believe that the incompetents were on both sides of the aisle. Many railed against the Dems for the past 8 years. Ok - we've got the reins to govt firmly in hand, we have a booming economy, we have more or less very good security in the US(with minor internal damages), we are getting fat living out our lives of ever expanding desires being met. In fact, we are SO coddled that the things we argue about have plumbed the depths of arcania or triviality!(which bathroom gender should a person use to urinate?)
Needs fulfilled, wants sated, govt - growing, growing, growing. A new tax plan? Hell yes - let's rally around a tax plan. Wait a minute... No reduction in SPENDING?!?!? Increased deficits for the next X years? Did we learn nothing from the last 8 years? Who are the conservatives to have one word to say about how we are taxed, when the issue staring us in the face like an 800Lb gorilla is SPENDING! If you want lower taxes, then lower the cost of govt - at all levels.
No one on the planet(or even any group combined) can threaten us. No one who wants an education is being 'left behind'. No one has to go without a library, including internet access further than one or maybe two bus stops - even for the poorest among us. WTF are we spending all this govt money on? Where does it go, and what are we getting for our taxes? W-T-F????
Well, if the conservatives, with their moral limitations intact can't solve a simple tax/spend equation, then they have no right to be in the forces of govt anyway, so might as well be the liberals. Let everyone pee wherever they want, at least the 'moral majority' won't be messing with the personal decision of the electorate.
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Well, if the conservatives, with their moral limitations intact can't solve a simple tax/spend equation, then they have no right to be in the forces of govt anyway, so might as well be the liberals. Let everyone pee wherever they want, at least the 'moral majority' won't be messing with the personal decision of the electorate.
You had me up to here. Regrettably the Republicans have managed to screw up their way into losing what support they had by having no backbone.
But also regrettably, the left does want to mess with the personal decisions of the electorate. That is how they lost the election, by everyone being scared of what they would do.
New rule - only elect people who have neither an R or a D by their name?
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You had me up to here. Regrettably the Republicans have managed to screw up their way into losing what support they had by having no backbone.
But also regrettably, the left does want to mess with the personal decisions of the electorate. That is how they lost the election, by everyone being scared of what they would do.
New rule - only elect people who have neither an R or a D by their name?
We should start a third legitimate party, and I would be all for it. Right now, the only alternative to the R or D is the Libertarian, and they haven't had a member in a place of power for years.
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We should start a third legitimate party, and I would be all for it. Right now, the only alternative to the R or D is the Libertarian, and they haven't had a member in a place of power for years.
MAGA Party.
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We should start a third legitimate party, and I would be all for it. Right now, the only alternative to the R or D is the Libertarian, and they haven't had a member in a place of power for years.
It would be nice to get more libertarian wins in state legislatures and governors (grass roots and all that.) This is the list maintained by the Libertarian party of current big-L libertarian office-holders:
https://www.lp.org/elected-officials-2/ (https://www.lp.org/elected-officials-2/)
There were a handful of Republican and Democratic defections to the Libertarian party this last presidential election (something in the water in New Hampshire?):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)#2016.E2.80.932017_politicians_leaving_their_parties_for_the_Libertarians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)#2016.E2.80.932017_politicians_leaving_their_parties_for_the_Libertarians)
The LP platform has something to scare everyone (I generally agree with the positions, but I know that some things, like touching social security, are politically dangerous to touch):
https://www.lp.org/platform/ (https://www.lp.org/platform/)
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If ever there was a chance of the Libertarian party gaining seats, I think the next two elections are it. Even if they run candidates named "none-of-the-above".
If they could just get a good, qualified, respected candidate for the top slot, I think they could take it all in 2020. Running a cartoon character like Gary Johnson did nothing for them.
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If ever there was a chance of the Libertarian party gaining seats, I think the next two elections are it. Even if they run candidates named "none-of-the-above".
If they could just get a good, qualified, respected candidate for the top slot, I think they could take it all in 2020. Running a cartoon character like Gary Johnson did nothing for them.
Alas, the Ls have a painfully shallow field of possible candidates with both name recognition and/or compelling credentials. Just found this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries,_2020 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries,_2020)