Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2017, 11:23:58 AM
Now there are two more articles. Is this a prelude to war, or just more of the same. Oh yeah, and there is N. Korea too! And Iran! Oh my, the sky is failing!!! ;D
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3293221/russia-and-iran-say-they-will-respond-to-american-aggression-following-air-strike-in-syria/
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/midday-update-stocks-return-gains-on-reports-of-chinese-troop-deployments-on-n-korea-border-cm772273
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2017, 01:04:50 PM
Yep, the MSM wants Trump to fail. Expect more fake and slanted newsWhat are they going to say when Russia backs down and China squashes N.K.'s nuclear program.
Oh, I know:
"That was all prearranged under the Obama administration!"
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 10, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
What are they going to say when Russia backs down and China squashes N.K.'s nuclear program.
Trump Unicorns.
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Trump Unicorns.Trump Derangement Syndrome victim
Post by: Steingar on April 11, 2017, 07:19:28 AM
And even with the "big build up", the Russians and Chinese combined still don't spend as much on their militaries as we do on ours.
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2017, 10:17:02 AM
We would be idiots to go to war with China, and they'd be idiots to go to war with us. We're big-time trade partners, war would wreck both economies. Russia is a very different deal, the problem being that we'd have to go fight on their home turf, they have a huge army on their home turf, they're set up to fight big land battles on their home turf, and they could wreck a fair amount of Europe in the process. Don't get me wrong, they couldn't stand toe-to-toe with the US Army for 10 minutes, but the prelude to the big fight could be ugly and destructive.
And even with the "big build up", the Russians and Chinese combined still don't spend as much on their militaries as we do on ours.
I agree with this. But I have a lot of confidence in man's ability to be idiots.
Post by: bflynn on April 11, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
We would be idiots to go to war with China, and they'd be idiots to go to war with us. We're big-time trade partners, war would wreck both economies.
You assume they care if their economy is wrecked. China is using the trade to build a military which is a match for ours. They aren't doing that out of national pride. Their plan is a time in their future we will be unable to resist their next expansion. For the Chinese, the slow game is an art form. They are planning the next step and want to have a superior military when they do.
It is a typical American mistake to assume that you understand someone's intentions.
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2017, 12:33:20 PM
You assume they care if their economy is wrecked.
Also a very good point. For example in WWI we see the heads of several nations not giving a flying fig about their country, but tumbling headlong into catastrophe driven by ego, personal issues, just being childish and stupid, etc.
Anything could happen. I like to think China would avoid war as long as things are relatively stable and comfortable there, but no question they want to build the military to equal and exceed ours, for defense if not offense. It hardly matters if anyone there has a long term plan of global aggression. Whether they'll actually use it might depend on decaying conditions and a desire to expand for resources, or the kind of lunacy mentioned in my first paragraph.
Resource scarcity could be a big problem in the next century and China has a lot of mouths to feed as do we all.
Post by: asechrest on April 11, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
You assume they care if their economy is wrecked. China is using the trade to build a military which is a match for ours. They aren't doing that out of national pride. Their plan is a time in their future we will be unable to resist their next expansion. For the Chinese, the slow game is an art form. They are planning the next step and want to have a superior military when they do.
It is a typical American mistake to assume that you understand someone's intentions.
Then why do you claim to understand their intentions?
Post by: Little Joe on April 11, 2017, 01:26:42 PM
Then why do you claim to understand their intentions?He didn't say he understands their. He said it was lunacy to think you do. And he gave examples of mistakes that have been made assuming we understood their intentions.
By the way, where have you been? I haven't heard much out of you lately. Things tend to get a little "echoey" here without a bunch of liberals to keep us entertained and involved.
Post by: asechrest on April 11, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
He didn't say he understands their. He said it was lunacy to think you do. And he gave examples of mistakes that have been made assuming we understood their intentions.
By the way, where have you been? I haven't heard much out of you lately. Things tend to get a little "echoey" here without a bunch of liberals to keep us entertained and involved.
Looks to me like he even outlined what their planned intentions were: slow growth of the military until such a time when we will be unable to resist their expansion.
I've been working like a dog. Hasn't left much time or energy to debate. :(
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Now our enemies feel emboldened, and it has forced Trump to act, and act strongly. Maybe we can put the Genie back in the bottle, but maybe we can't. I am betting that this is more saber rattling, and when stared in the eye, Russia, China, Iran, and NK will back down.
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2017, 10:33:58 AM
Same with me. I've little time for much more than a drive by. Soon Anthony's going to start calling me Aunt Peggy.
I've been working like a dog. Hasn't left much time or energy to debate. :(
Post by: Number7 on April 12, 2017, 10:51:05 AM
Of course those same pajama boy clowns couldn't even name all the places their gay hero, Barrack bomber in eight years....
Post by: asechrest on April 12, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Same with me. I've little time for much more than a drive by. Soon Anthony's going to start calling me Aunt Peggy.
Shut up and do my taxes! 😂
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2017, 12:25:10 PM
Same with me. I've little time for much more than a drive by. Soon Anthony's going to start calling me Aunt Peggy.
Do my taxes too, you Hippie!!!
;D
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2017, 02:38:27 PM
Post by: Number7 on April 12, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
As sure as the sun rises int eh east, another correction arrived in today's mail....