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CAF Wings Over Dallas Mid-Air

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nddons:

--- Quote from: jb1842 on September 06, 2023, 10:26:26 AM ---Besides people dying, isn't it hard to compare these incidents? One was shit maintenance, the other was straight up the air boss screwed the pooch. Both human error, but not on the same level.

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The probable cause of the Collings Foundation crash was the pilot’s failure to properly manage the airplane’s configuration and airspeed following a loss of engine power, according to the final report of the NTSB.  So Mx was a proximal cause of the failure, but they found pilot error nonetheless. 

But the NTSB also critiqued the FAA for failure to properly oversee the “Living History Flight Experience” (LHFE) which is an FAA-approved exemption for the prohibition to sell flights to the general public in limited or experimental category aircraft, including former military or historically-significant aircraft. 

So if you’re not a CAF member but you buy a ride for a flight in, say, a T-6 or a B-17, something like $70 or so of the fee goes to a “membership” in the CAF.  If you’re a “member,” you’re not just the general public. Get it?  /wink/

The Collings Foundation had such an exemption, which was revoked by the FAA.

So the whole LHFE is a workaround, and is causing the FAA to re-examine it.

Now the Dallas crash didn’t involve the carriage of pax, but there could be some pilot blame in there once the NTSB issues their final ruling.

I say that because no pilot raised an objection regarding safety during the briefing with the Air Boss. I asked two of my friends who were career USAF pilots and fly in numerous airshows, and they say no one usually says anything during the briefing with the Air Boss, but AFTER the briefing you have a separate briefing with your element (I.e., T-6s, jet warbirds, etc.) where you sort out potential conflict ions or problems on your own.

Seems like someone should have broken protocol and challenged the Air Boss.

Anthony:
I think the days of warbird rides or maybe even them flying at all I'm an organized manner are numbered.

Rush:

--- Quote from: Anthony on September 07, 2023, 02:21:41 AM ---I think the days of warbird rides or maybe even them flying at all I'm an organized manner are numbered.

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I hope that’s not true but it probably is.  You can’t have people having too much fun doing risky stuff.

Anthony:

--- Quote from: Rush on September 07, 2023, 03:36:07 AM ---I hope that’s not true but it probably is.  You can’t have people having too much fun doing risky stuff.

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As a nation and probably world, we have become so risk adversed and total safety obsessed.  And you're right, Rush, it is due to the rise of the power of WOMEN in our society that has made it this way.  It is to the detriment of society, progress in general, and death of the adventurous spirt, etc. 

President-Elect Bob Noel:
slight clarificaton/correction:  obsessed with the appearance of safety.

case in point:  the fixation some people had with wearing masks, regardless of the efficacy of the masks.

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