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20191
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 09:52:33 AM »
Our resident Trumpkin is long on deflection and character assassination, short on actual answers to questions.

And you twist what others have wrote to make your point.

BTW, not a "Trumpkin" as you put it, just an observer of the process in action.

20192
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 09:49:23 AM »

Ahhh...so when Bob Dole (about as establishment as it gets) supports him as "someone we can deal with" that's just them not knowing anything, it's not that they understand that Trump has no actual principles that will hold him to any position, so he'll be free to cut a deal.


The establishment dislikes Trump, but know they can deal with him.  They fear Cruz, because they know he actually has principles, something Trump is wholly unencumbered by.

 Cruz's main problems are 1) he's disliked in the Senate and 2) he is so far Right he is the equivalent of Bernie just 180 degrees the other way.

 After 7 years of an extremist in the oval office, the public is sick and tired.  The voter anger is at all time highs.  People are sick and tired of a weak dick Republican led Congress and Senate that constantly caves in to the left.  They are sick and tired of "political correctness" that basically has the career politicians having to watch each and every word they utter.  They are sick and tired of the extremist wanting reparations for every fucking perceived wrong that has (or has not) happened in the last 3 centuries.  They are sick and tired of watching our borders thrown wide open inviting everyone to cross without fear and then move to "sanctuary cities" and immediately get on public assistance.

 And the list goes on and on.

Yes, the DNC wants desperately for a Bush, Rubio or Cruz nomination because they know the Clinton machine will wipe them out. That's why I laugh every time someone utters "unelectable" in reference to a republican candidate because it comes straight from Debbie Wasserman Schults lips.

20193
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 09:14:39 AM »

Have you been watching the news?  The Republican establishment is all-in for Trump now.  He's cut his deal with them already.  His whole campaign is about him being able to cut deals.

 Yes, I watch the news, and read quite a bit.  The elites are still trying to figure out how to undermine Trump. Read the latest Weekly Review?

Even if he clears the delegate count at the convention they will still try to circumvent him. In their world they, and only they will decide who the rightful candidate is.

20194
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 09:01:06 AM »
So...I, as a non-voter, am required to maintain the same standards as a candidate for the Presidency of the United States?  Interesting...



Actually, I think it's more of you "can't" not that you "choose" not to.  I'm not asking for a demonstration of conservative purity here, I'm asking for one single example of him advocating for a conservative policy, from someone who wishes to represent the conservative party.  I think that's just about the absolute bare minimum.

Conservative purity=litmus test.   Using this none of the candidates will pass.

 I want someone who can think outside the box and is not beholden to a bunch of party elites who cut backroom deals.  Look at the current leadership in Congress and the Senate, they would rather support the elites as to represent the people.

 Trump scares a lot of people, especially those in the elites (both sides) because they know he will not fear them and they cannot buy him off to do their bidding. Maybe it's time to have a real CEO in charge that isn't afraid to call bullshit when he sees it.

 

20195
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 08:43:26 AM »

I identify as having libertarian leaning principles.  On the political spectrum, I am kind of conservatarian.


That said, I belong to no political party.

 So you lambaste a candidate for basically doing the same thing you are doing?




And if you recall, the first post in this thread posed a question which you didn't answer either:

Because I choose not to answer it.  I don't "litmus test" candidates, nor do I proclaim they have to meet certain standards from birth.  I look at the individual and decide if they can do the job or not.

20196
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: February 01, 2016, 07:50:32 AM »
So Jeff, I asked you this question several pages back and you didn't answer:

Just curious, you advertise yourself as a "libertarian", so are you?   Shouldn't you be supporting one of these guys since they adhere to your party's principals?  https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-2016

??

20198
Spin Zone / Re: No Trump. No. Go Away, Trump. Stand Down.
« on: February 01, 2016, 06:44:22 AM »
He is unelectable. 

"Barack Obama reportedly won the 2012 election due to his campaign’s mastery of Big Data. Hillary Clinton and the DNC have access to that data. It cost a fortune to build and they will use it effectively.

The Democrats will make a series of short videos and post them to Facebook, Google, Twitter, You Tube and Instagram. The videos will be microtargeted to the right demographic. Big Data makes it easy to target voters. My view is that the mother lode is on immigration and that the MSM will attack Trump’s (or his subcontractors) use of illegal alien labor in the hotel, golf course, restaurant and construction industries. Social media will amplify this MSM attack. The MSM ignore social media and the use of Big Data because Facebook and Google are eating their lunch on ad dollars. That’s why you don’t read much about how the campaigns use it to win elections.

Trump’s coarse and at times outlandish language and behavior can only drive his unfavorable numbers even higher. Jean Kaufman, for example, has written about Trump and eminent domain here. Kelo is practically a litmus test for conservatives and Trump is on the other side.

Think about what the Dems did to that fine man who is Mitt Romney. When the Dems got finished with Mitt, many thought he was a heartless murderer. A false accusation, to be sure, but it worked. In my opinion, the anti-Trump social media videos will result in a landslide loss for the GOP.

The GOP must win this election. Trump is not electable. Vote for a candidate in the primaries who can win in November. You have a number of good candidates to select."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/live-from-council-bluffs-its-donald-trump-2.php

Ah yes, more of the DNC "talking points".


Wonder why the DNC is so afraid of Trump, but yet wants the GOP to nominate an "electable" candidate?

20199
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 31, 2016, 03:13:57 PM »
I don't give a shit if anyone gives a shit or not.  I never criticized anyone for misusing the word "Loose".  I only congratulated one person that used it correctly.  You can show your ignorance all you want.  I won't say a word.

Well, maybe that's not true.  If you say something stupid, I suppose I will tell you.

I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit.......

So there!

20200
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 31, 2016, 02:17:03 PM »
Over the last 227 years, that has overwhelmingly been the case with both success and failure, with obviously most being successful. Over those 227 years, there have only been 11 presidents that were not either lawyers, or career military. Of those only two were businessmen, but they both held elected office prior. They are Bush Sr. and Jr. How well they did at the job is seriously debatable.

In those 227 years, only 4 presidents have come to power without serving as an elected official previously. Taylor, Grant and Eisenhower all were career military prior. Hoover was only Secretary of Commerce prior under Harding and Coolidge, so not elected. He also was the only engineer to be president and sadly, was considered to be a pretty lousy president. The only other president that came to power with little previous experience was Chester Arthur. He was elected to Vice President of the US under Garfield and served in that position for only a year before Garfield was assassinated and he became president. He was of course though, a lawyer.

So maybe we have been insane and getting it all wrong for the last 227 years. IDK. However I see nothing at all presidential about Trump. I see no qualities in him that make me think he would be any good at the job and he has no experience at all as an elected official. Voting for him just because "He's not one of them." seems poor logic too me. Also, I felt (both times) that Obama was an incredibly poor choice and that a large number of people voted for him for the wrong reasons too. I hope we can vote this time in a more analytical way rather than emotion.

"Well, we've always done it that way, so no need to change now"...........

Seriously?

Put another Washington politician, another party "elite" or a career politician in and the voter gets the government he deserves. 

Career politicians and party loyalist have got us in this mess.  It's time to think "outside the box".

20201
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 31, 2016, 12:15:30 PM »
Any of those that actually have real experience in government. What I mean by real experience is, more than just one term at some public office. Two term state senator, one term US senator and community organizer clearly isn't enough either. State governors often do well, but not always.

So being a bureaucrat qualifies one to be President?   So far we keep sending these bureaucrats and career politicians to Washington and its not working. Albert Einstein once said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results".

20202
Spin Zone / Re: OK, we can shut down the Republican Primary race now
« on: January 31, 2016, 11:19:02 AM »
He's just another career politician, ready to fall in line with whatever the GOP "elites" dictate for him to do.

20203
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 31, 2016, 10:22:14 AM »


Trump is not ready to be president, but he is ready for public office.

 So which one of the candidates running is "ready to be president"?

20204
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 31, 2016, 09:15:13 AM »

I'll take a converted one.  However, I'd like to see at least some commitment to the cause over an extended period of time.  As Churchill said "If you're a conservative at 20, you have no heart.  If you're a liberal at 40 you have no brain."  Plenty of good conservatives converted at some point in their life.


That said, someone who "converts" upon announcing his candidacy is more likely an opportunistic charlatan than a true convert.

Just curious, you advertise yourself as a "libertarian", so are you?   Shouldn't you be supporting one of these guys since they adhere to your party's principals?  https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-2016

20205
Spin Zone / Re: Question for the Trumpkins?
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:56:31 PM »
Now THAT'S how you build a community!  8)

Yep, my pet peeve is reading about other people's pet peeves....

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