Post by: nddons on August 18, 2023, 03:03:11 PM
I need to look into this.
It’s bullshit.
https://thepostmillennial.com/irs-agent-accidentally-shoots-kills-another-agent-at-phoenix-gun-range?utm_campaign=64483
Post by: Rush on August 18, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 18, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
How do you accidentally shoot someone at the range? Not practice basic gun safety?
It's a government operation.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 18, 2023, 05:06:08 PM
How do you accidentally shoot someone at the range? Not practice basic gun safety?
(I haven’t read the article yet)
But to address your question, it’s kind of hard to accidentally shoot anyone or anything, emphasis on accidentally rather than negligent discharge.
Mechanical failure coupled with richocet could be one way. Hard to think of a valid accidental shooting scenario
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 18, 2023, 05:10:42 PM
This is a conflicting article. In one case it says they the IRS CID had 3,000 agents, but later on says they plan to have 70,000 armed agents.
I need to look into this.
It’s bullshit.
https://thepostmillennial.com/irs-agent-accidentally-shoots-kills-another-agent-at-phoenix-gun-range?utm_campaign=64483
It might not be conflicting if the 70,000 number includes IRS agents that are not part of the 3000 IRS CID agents.
(I don't know if that is true, just speculating a way for it not to be a counting problem)
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 18, 2023, 05:14:55 PM
How do you accidentally shoot someone at the range? Not practice basic gun safety?All I know is someone likely needs to fill out an IRS Form 1310.
Post by: Rush on August 18, 2023, 05:41:21 PM
It's a government operation.
Oh that’s right. Come to think of it the only time I ever feared for my life at a gun range was when some state senator and her entourage came to get acquainted with guns and they were muzzle sweeping everybody all over the place.
Post by: Anthony on August 19, 2023, 03:18:44 AM
Oh that’s right. Come to think of it the only time I ever feared for my life at a gun range was when some state senator and her entourage came to get acquainted with guns and they were muzzle sweeping everybody all over the place.
Cops, especially new cops can be the WORST for gun safety and muzzle sweeping people. Our gun club has had to ban a few cops, one female, for unsafe gun handling over multiple occasions. I've witnessed it.
They are just there to practice to qualify. They aren't gun people nor do they want to practice any more than to qualify. It's just a small part of their job to many.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 19, 2023, 07:06:35 AM
Still, wouldn’t nonpayment of taxes result in merely being warned, then visited by official goons, then summoned, then tried?
I don’t see where guns would be involved. At all.
Post by: Anthony on August 19, 2023, 07:27:25 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 19, 2023, 07:27:36 AM
Why are IRS employees armed at all? There is no reason I can see other than *puts on tinfoil hat* a planned forceful attack on citizens who rebel against our current tyranny by not paying taxes. In other words, armed conflict where the agents are in danger.Self Defense maybe?
Still, wouldn’t nonpayment of taxes result in merely being warned, then visited by official goons, then summoned, then tried?
I don’t see where guns would be involved. At all.
If an IRS agent walks up to Anthony's door, he may need to defend himself.
Post by: Anthony on August 19, 2023, 07:29:24 AM
Self Defense maybe?
If an IRS agent walks up to Anthony's door, he may need to defend himself.
Only if he forcibly entered my home, intending to do me, or a loved one harm. I am nothing if not LAW ABIDING, but I am prepared.
Post by: nddons on August 19, 2023, 07:30:46 AM
Why are IRS employees armed at all? There is no reason I can see other than *puts on tinfoil hat* a planned forceful attack on citizens who rebel against our current tyranny by not paying taxes. In other words, armed conflict where the agents are in danger.Regular IRS agents are not armed. God help us. They’re like the TSA with a college degree.
Still, wouldn’t nonpayment of taxes result in merely being warned, then visited by official goons, then summoned, then tried?
I don’t see where guns would be involved. At all.
They also have the Criminal Investigation Division which does go into some shady shit sometimes. However, in my opinion, such agents should partner with local LEOs or the FBI, and leave the security for others.
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 07:35:19 AM
Why are IRS employees armed at all? There is no reason I can see other than *puts on tinfoil hat* a planned forceful attack on citizens who rebel against our current tyranny by not paying taxes. In other words, armed conflict where the agents are in danger.
Still, wouldn’t nonpayment of taxes result in merely being warned, then visited by official goons, then summoned, then tried?
I don’t see where guns would be involved. At all.
Just start doing research on all of the federal agencies that now have armed agents, the list is quite telling. Plus do a bit of research on how these agencies are amassing stockpiles of ammunition and weapons.
For more fun, look up the agencies with Tactical Teams as well.
Here's an interesting article on the subject: https://reason.com/2023/05/02/why-do-federal-bureaucrats-need-so-much-firepower/
Post by: Rush on August 19, 2023, 09:09:52 AM
Just start doing research on all of the federal agencies that now have armed agents, the list is quite telling. Plus do a bit of research on how these agencies are amassing stockpiles of ammunition and weapons.
For more fun, look up the agencies with Tactical Teams as well.
Here's an interesting article on the subject: https://reason.com/2023/05/02/why-do-federal-bureaucrats-need-so-much-firepower/
It’s clear to me they’re NOT stockpiling those weapons and ammo to use them against foreign invaders.
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2023, 09:17:22 AM
It’s clear to me they’re NOT stockpiling those weapons and ammo to use them against foreign invaders.
They have an enemy. Care to guess who that enemy is?
Post by: Rush on August 19, 2023, 09:23:52 AM
They have an enemy. Care to guess who that enemy is?
It goes without saying. It’s us. The targets of all those agencies are U.S. citizens.
Post by: Anthony on August 19, 2023, 01:11:17 PM
They have an enemy. Care to guess who that enemy is?
The BATF, EPA, IRS, FBI, NSA, DOJ, Interior, just to name a few, are the enemy of The People. They are weaponized against us. Many State agencies are the same way.
Post by: Username on August 20, 2023, 08:08:33 AM
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team
https://oig.ed.gov/about/oig-components
Ready to raid those evil home-schoolers.
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 08:13:42 AM
The Department of Education has its own SWAT team.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team
https://oig.ed.gov/about/oig-components
Ready to raid those evil home-schoolers.
And why in the hell does an education dept need a SWAT team?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 20, 2023, 08:26:15 AM
And why in the hell does an education dept need a SWAT team?To keep it a beautiful day in the 'hood.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7747/3349/320/mrrogersgun.jpg)
Post by: Little Joe on August 20, 2023, 09:36:03 AM
And why in the hell does an education dept need a SWAT team?Have you been in many public schools lately?
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 09:49:56 AM
Have you been in many public schools lately?
Can't say that I have. Do you go hang around school yards? ::)
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 10:12:12 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
I witnessed a physical fight between two girls at a high school in the late 90s when I was there working on a renovation project.
Yea, but we are talking the US Dept of Education having a SWAT Team.
So for sake of argument, they justify this because "school violence" or "active shooter". Let's say the event happens at Rifle, CO one morning.
How long is it going to take to deploy the SWAT Team from Washington (or wherever it's based) to the area of the problem? And do we actually need a full SWAT Team for this? What about local law enforcement? Schools are owned by local municipalities, so why the need of a federal agency to intervene?
Let me summarize. There is no way in hell for the Dept of Education to justify 1) Buying weapons and ammunition, 2) Buying paramilitary gear or 3) training and operating a tactical team.
If we had a functioning congress, this would have never been approved via the budget process, and if slipped by would have been caught and defunded.
This is lunacy.
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 11:42:05 AM
Yea, but we are talking the US Dept of Education having a SWAT Team.
So for sake of argument, they justify this because "school violence" or "active shooter". Let's say the event happens at Rifle, CO one morning.
How long is it going to take to deploy the SWAT Team from Washington (or wherever it's based) to the area of the problem? And do we actually need a full SWAT Team for this? What about local law enforcement? Schools are owned by local municipalities, so why the need of a federal agency to intervene?
Let me summarize. There is no way in hell for the Dept of Education to justify 1) Buying weapons and ammunition, 2) Buying paramilitary gear or 3) training and operating a tactical team.
If we had a functioning congress, this would have never been approved via the budget process, and if slipped by would have been caught and defunded.
This is lunacy.
Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t suggesting a federal SWAT team is the answer.
This is the answer to school violence:
https://twitter.com/highvaluedad/status/1691875751249826108
Post by: jb1842 on August 20, 2023, 03:05:15 PM
I witnessed a physical fight between two girls at a high school in the late 90s when I was there working on a renovation project.
I was in high school in the 90s. We didn't need SWAT teams then. Just get the shop teacher, gym teacher, and other teachers who were sports coaches to wade into the middle of fights and start throwing down. Saw it multiple times. One of the benefits of a small town where everyone knew or was related to everyone else and you got your ass whopped for disrespecting the teacher.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 20, 2023, 03:22:04 PM
I was in high school in the 90s. We didn't need SWAT teams then. Just get the shop teacher, gym teacher, and other teachers who were sports coaches to wade into the middle of fights and start throwing down. Saw it multiple times. One of the benefits of a small town where everyone knew or was related to everyone else and you got your ass whopped for disrespecting the teacher.
disrespecting a teacher isn't much of a concern anymore - by that I mean, little johnny can do no wrong...
Post by: Rush on August 20, 2023, 05:27:02 PM
I was in high school in the 90s. We didn't need SWAT teams then. Just get the shop teacher, gym teacher, and other teachers who were sports coaches to wade into the middle of fights and start throwing down. Saw it multiple times. One of the benefits of a small town where everyone knew or was related to everyone else and you got your ass whopped for disrespecting the teacher.
I just listened to a brilliant conversation between Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson where they said small communities where everybody knows everybody is where morality is born and hence effective governance and one of the biggest problems we have is being governed from a distance and by not being tied by duty to your immediate community allows psychopaths and parasites to prevail.
Post by: Anthony on August 21, 2023, 03:54:07 AM
I just listened to a brilliant conversation between Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson where they said small communities where everybody knows everybody is where morality is born and hence effective governance and one of the biggest problems we have is being governed from a distance and by not being tied by duty to your immediate community allows psychopaths and parasites to prevail.
Small, local government that actually does what government is supposed to do, not Social Engineer is best. Not Washington D.C., nor God forbid Beijing, Moscow, or Prague.....
Post by: jb1842 on August 21, 2023, 08:14:49 AM
I just listened to a brilliant conversation between Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson where they said small communities where everybody knows everybody is where morality is born and hence effective governance and one of the biggest problems we have is being governed from a distance and by not being tied by duty to your immediate community allows psychopaths and parasites to prevail.
I had some of the same teachers my mom had. Some teachers went to school with my mom. My uncle taught there and was the varsity boys basketball coach. Small town at it's finest. I moved back after 20+ years away to raise my son here. Now I'm the one who knows and went to school with the teachers.
Post by: elwood blues on October 02, 2023, 10:02:22 AM
And why in the hell does an education dept need a SWAT team?
To go after delinquent student loan payers.