PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on September 01, 2019, 05:21:05 PM
-
So all the way up til now I have been against banning pit bulls. But tonight I watched this. I think it changed my mind! What changes my mind are, the Arkansas doctor actually talks facts and data. And the ones against the ban are acting like emotional wackos... and are whining about "canine racism". What do you people think?
-
Pit Bull Lives Matter!
-
I’m putting this in this thread because it is a sort of related subject. This speaks to the duplicity and power mongering of these politicians and environmentalists and animal “rights” activists (animals don’t have rights because they are incapable of the associated obligations).
We all know about the toddler that was eaten by an alligator at Disneyworld a few years ago. Australia has a much bigger problem with crocodiles. In all these cases it seems these animal “rights” people care more about animal lives than human lives. Actually many of them come right out and say so unapologetically. This is the arm of the radical left that hates humanity and claims humans are a plague upon the earth and should be eradicated.
https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-great-gator-hoax-the-american-alligator-is-thriving-no-thanks-to-the-endangered-species-act/
TLDR summary:
An examination of the alligator hoax raises a number of broader questions: What other environmental issues have been the subject of false and misleading claims by federal officials, pressure groups, supposed experts, and the media? If they can’t get the facts right about something as relatively simple and unambiguous as the resurgence of the alligator—that the animal never should have been listed under the ESA and that the act had essentially nothing to do with its recovery—then how can they be trusted on other, more complex issues such as energy exploration and exploitation, chemical use, biotechnology, and climate change?
As I said in some other thread recently, I favor judicious protection of truly endangered deserving species, such as the orangutan. The difference between me and radical animal “rights” people is I base my opinion on facts and reality. As this article shows, the radical groups do not base what they do on facts; they (like all leftists) have no problem lying and misrepresenting reality to further their own agenda.
Likewise as a libertarian I generally do not favor banning anything, which is why I was against pit bull bans. I believed the hype that they only attack if mistreated, and that rescue organizations check for temperament and do not rehome aggressive dogs. But if this video is true, that pits do indeed differ in their attacks (they will hang on and chew longer than other breeds) and that they can turn on you even if they had never been abused, and, most frightening, these rescue groups no longer euthanize aggressive dogs but instead deliberately try to downplay the bad temperament and encourage adoption, changing dogs’ names in an effort to hide the truth! - if the things in this video are true - then I have to change my stance.
-
I don't find the breed, or class of breeds attractive. Pit Bulls, American Staffordshire, Rotties, etc. I have always preferred hunting dogs that get along with everyone. My German Shorthaired Pointer was the best.
-
There is no breed called a ”pit bull”. Socialization of dogs is what turns them from some variation of wolves into domestic companions. So it is the individual, not the breed,
Unsurprisingly, this is very similar to people.
-
There is no breed called a ”pit bull”. Socialization of dogs is what turns them from some variation of wolves into domestic companions. So it is the individual, not the breed,
then it would make no sense to try to ban the "pit bull"
But that won't stop people from trying.
-
then it would make no sense to try to ban the "pit bull"
But that won't stop people from trying.
Maybe we should not allow pit bulls to own assault rifles. Of course that would be meaningless since neither of them exist, but that has never stopped the "we got to do something" crowd before.
I didn't know that there was no pit bull breed. Of course, saying that is being a little bit anal since there are several breeds that are generally considered to be pit bulls.
-
Maybe we should not allow pit bulls to own assault rifles. Of course that would be meaningless since neither of them exist, but that has never stopped the "we got to do something" crowd before.
This is exactly my position before. Also, you can say that sometimes people get hurt by guns and I definitely don’t believe guns should be banned. But, there is no amendment about the right to bear pit bulls.
I didn't know that there was no pit bull breed. Of course, saying that is being a little bit anal since there are several breeds that are generally considered to be pit bulls.
That’s correct and another problem I have - still, present tense - is that bans name several breeds and sometimes include breeds that have nothing to do with the problem dogs. There have even been bans on all terriers because pit bulls are in the terrier classification. This is just pure ignorance.
-
I see the problem in New York.... people get pit bulls for protection because guns are banned.
https://nypost.com/2017/02/21/recent-pit-bull-attack-reignites-debate-over-notorious-dogs/
I will buy that pits are no more likely than other dogs to attack, or that the risk is minimal if they are properly socialized. But something I didn’t know until now is the difference in their attacks from other dogs:
“They were selectively bred to execute the killing bite — to attack without warning,” said Colleen Lynn, who runs DogsBite.org. “No growl, bark, or direct stare, and they will continue until death. Those are the three keys that make them more dangerous than other breeds.”
I’ll take it from a first hand witness, that plastic surgeon. Chimpanzees are banned from private ownership in most places and we all know why: Charla Nash (https://www.today.com/health/charla-nash-opens-about-recent-face-transplant-setback-living-independently-t91951)
Apparently pits do the exact same thing, chew off your face. If you want to argue that both pit bulls and chimpanzees should be allowed as pets, I can accept that. But if you are going to say the dogs are fine but the apes aren’t, then it starts to look a bit illogical.
-
Fuck pit bulls. The majority of people who own them are black people who train them to be violent, and white trash or black wannabes that don't know how to train a dog properly, and want to look tough with a pit. I was attacked by 3 of them once. They came around a corner of a house at full speed about 15 yards from me. Good thing I'm fast from the holster and was able to get shots off. One was killed, the others scattered. Half a second later, and they would have been on me.
-
Fuck pit bulls. The majority of people who own them are black people who train them to be violent, and white trash or black wannabes that don't know how to train a dog properly, and want to look tough with a pit. I was attacked by 3 of them once. They came around a corner of a house at full speed about 15 yards from me. Good thing I'm fast from the holster and was able to get shots off. One was killed, the others scattered. Half a second later, and they would have been on me.
Agreed. When my daughter was in veterinary school at Mississippi State University, we would bring our English Labrador to her apartment. English labs are shorter and stockier than field labs with a very blocky head. More than one black person in that apartment complex said “You fight him?” Are you fucking kidding me?
Dog theft is rampant in the south, in large part because they steal dogs to serve as “bait dogs” for dog fighting rings. In fact, many of the small animal patients at MSUs College of Vet. Medicine are rescued bait dogs or fighting dogs. Disgusting filth.
As for breeds, it is both nature and nurture, so it’s often not the breed’s fault. But there’s no doubt breeds were developed for specific purposes. Hell, the Rhodesian Ridgeback was bred to hunt lions!
I’ll bet Josh would agree with me on this. One breed that even veterinarians avoid handling are Belgian Malinois. These are the freakishly fast and agile police or military dogs that take down bad guys with a vengeance. When they come into the hospital or clinic, they are always muzzled, and often require the handler to handle them at the clinic. They are recommended to NEVER have as a pet. They are working dogs pure and simple, but do develop a close bond with their handlers.
-
Agreed. When my daughter was in veterinary school at Mississippi State University, we would bring our English Labrador to her apartment. English labs are shorter and stockier than field labs with a very blocky head. More than one black person in that apartment complex said “You fight him?” Are you fucking kidding me?
Dog theft is rampant in the south, in large part because they steal dogs to serve as “bait dogs” for dog fighting rings. In fact, many of the small animal patients at MSUs College of Vet. Medicine are rescued bait dogs or fighting dogs. Disgusting filth.
As for breeds, it is both nature and nurture, so it’s often not the breed’s fault. But there’s no doubt breeds were developed for specific purposes. Hell, the Rhodesian Ridgeback was bred to hunt lions!
I’ll bet Josh would agree with me on this. One breed that even veterinarians avoid handling are Belgian Malinois. These are the freakishly fast and agile police or military dogs that take down bad guys with a vengeance. When they come into the hospital or clinic, they are always muzzled, and often require the handler to handle them at the clinic. They are recommended to NEVER have as a pet. They are working dogs pure and simple, but do develop a close bond with their handlers.
A well trained Belgian Malinois will mess you up. I wouldn't want one as a pet because they are too high strung and energetic. When they are released, I don't move at all. But for the most part, they are well behaved if trained right. One of the local handlers lets him off leash at one of the big multi-agency offices, the dog makes the rounds, and we all play with him.
-
A well trained Belgian Malinois will mess you up. I wouldn't want one as a pet because they are too high strung and energetic. When they are released, I don't move at all. But for the most part, they are well behaved if trained right. One of the local handlers lets him off leash at one of the big multi-agency offices, the dog makes the rounds, and we all play with him.
I’ll bet nobody steals office supplies on those days!
-
Fuck pit bulls. The majority of people who own them are black people who train them to be violent, and white trash or black wannabes that don't know how to train a dog properly, and want to look tough with a pit. I was attacked by 3 of them once. They came around a corner of a house at full speed about 15 yards from me. Good thing I'm fast from the holster and was able to get shots off. One was killed, the others scattered. Half a second later, and they would have been on me.
Oh my God! Glad you are okay. I hope you didn't get flak for killing one of the sweet innocent little animals.
-
Dog theft is rampant in the south, in large part because they steal dogs to serve as “bait dogs” for dog fighting rings.
The breeder I got my dogs from said my dogs' father (sire?) was stolen out from her yard. These were Border Terriers. About 17 pounds, bred to hunt mice in your barn. This was near Hickory, NC. I bet that's exactly what happened to him. May these people rot in hell.
Here's a pic of my two, R.I.P. Died from old age, they both made it to 17.
-
Cool! Dog pictures! Here's one of our dogs, Zeke. Lab / Shepherd mix. Rescued from the streets of East St. Louis. A total goober. Adopted him as a senior, passed away about a month ago. We really miss him.
-
Cool! Dog pictures! Here's one of our dogs, Zeke. Lab / Shepherd mix. Rescued from the streets of East St. Louis. A total goober. Adopted him as a senior, passed away about a month ago. We really miss him.
Awwww.... I sure understand. Mine died several years ago and I still tear up when I think of them.
-
Awwww.... I sure understand. Mine died several years ago and I still tear up when I think of them.
We adopt senior rescue dogs. Seems no one else wants to adopt seniors since they tend to have more medical issues and don't stick around nearly long enough. It's a good thing, but man it's hard when they move on. We give them a good home and lots of love in their remaining years. They sure appreciate it. We're back up to three. Now the people who dumped the dogs on the street... they can rot in Hell.
-
Awwww.... I sure understand. Mine died several years ago and I still tear up when I think of them.
Mine died 33 years ago and there's still sadness. But he was really old, especially for a terrier. On cold evenings when he went outside, he took to laying in the street because it was still warm from the day. Hint, that is a bad idea, especially when you're pushing 17 in dog years and can't get up and move quickly.
If you use the 7 year multiplier, that's 119, but I don't think that's a valid multiplier for all dogs.
-
Some of the sweetest most loving dogs I've ever seen were Staffordhires and Pitbulls. There's nothing whatsoever inherently wrong with them. Any dog can be dangerous if mistreated. 4.5 million Americans are bitten by dogs every year.