PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 28, 2020, 09:11:06 AM
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I've been scratching my head wondering about the tortured/twisted thinking of some that deny election fraud happened while simultaneously claiming to want to fix the system.
If the presidential election was won fair and square, why would anyone need to expend any effort fixing things?
(I know, I know, I won't see any cogent response from the deniers)
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Yep. The FBI made a big deal about foreign interference in our elections all the way up til 2020. There are videos they made about it. There was a letter from Democratic congresspeople in late 2019 expressing concern about election fraud (I’ll have to find it again and post it). The big concern was Russia, China and Iran. Now all of a sudden crickets from all of them!
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If the presidential election was won fair and square, why would anyone need to expend any effort fixing things?
The "things" they want to fix aren't the election processes and rules. They want to fix it so that elections don't matter.
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If the presidential election was won fair and square, why would anyone need to expend any effort fixing things?
There were things that were not done correctly. The system is vulnerable and could have been exploited. We understand the depth of those holes now. There are broken systems and broken processes.
That is a far cry from "there was fraud and we need to set aside the election results."
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There were things that were not done correctly. The system is vulnerable and could have been exploited. We understand the depth of those holes now. There are broken systems and broken processes.
That is a far cry from "there was fraud and we need to set aside the election results."
No, it's not a far cry. If the two can be tied together, then something MUST be done and people held accountable. But without a credible, sanctioned investigation, that will never happen.
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No, it's not a far cry. If the two can be tied together, then something MUST be done and people held accountable. But without a credible, sanctioned investigation, that will never happen.
If the two can be tied together then get on with it. Right now even you still used the conditional tense for this - IF it can be done. Internally you know it can't.
Forget about showing me the proof, show the courts the proof. If you have it, take it the judges. If you don't then what the hell are you griping about?
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If the two can be tied together then get on with it. Right now even you still used the conditional tense for this - IF it can be done. Internally you know it can't.
Forget about showing me the proof, show the courts the proof. If you have it, take it the judges. If you don't then what the hell are you griping about?
The problem is that the authorities and the courts won't sanction an official investigation and they won't listen to private investigators that they disagree with. And people like you are fine with that.
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If the two can be tied together then get on with it. Right now even you still used the conditional tense for this - IF it can be done. Internally you know it can't.
Forget about showing me the proof, show the courts the proof. If you have it, take it the judges. If you don't then what the hell are you griping about?
It has been tied together. The intelligence community has the proof, they have more than Sidney Powell has. But they can’t act on it without the DOJ and FBI taking the ball or the SC agreeing to hear it. The bad actors in the FBI and DOJ are suppressing it and might even be keeping it from POTUS. That the IC knows Trump won was leaked and common sense tells you they have the proof.
We know the depth and breadth of data collection the NSA has on everyone. All they had to do was XKeyscore a few known individuals and follow the breadcrumbs. You don’t have millions of ballots, all marked identically, printed, packed and shipped, organize a bunch of dead people voting, order mailmen to trash bags of ballots, communicate with servers overseas, text counterparts around 11:15 PM Nov 3, you don’t do all these things and not leave digital footprints.
They’ve got the proof. The documentation of all the fraud is there, but it is a massive amount of data, involving dozens or hundreds of targets, that has to be processed and isn’t even supposed to be looked at without a FISA court order but that’s very muddy, there are rolling court orders allowing them to look at data for this or that reason, and there is every reason to believe that is exactly what has happened, because foreign interference in an election certainly qualifies.
But there are enough traitors in the FBI/DOJ (the NSA’s customers) to suppress, threaten or bribe whomever in the IC has compiled the proof that it will probably never see the light of day. And that’s why they’re not “getting on with it”.
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It has been tied together.
Respectfully, no it hasn't.
Yes, we know foreign actors want to mess with our elections. But that was known in 2016.
What we know now is that there are holes in the election security process, but there is no proof that they were used. We can't just thrown the election out because maybe there was a problem. Prove to a legal standard that it happened and I'll be right there demanding that it be fixed.
But get it right because the only thing that can come from getting it wrong is a constitutional crisis. If you can't convince courts there was fraud, then there is zero chance of fixing "it".
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while I would like a cogent arguement, what we get is: crickets.
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cogent argument
About what, from who?
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while I would like a cogent arguement, what we get is: crickets.
The Left can not present a cogent argument as their basic core principles are lies, and emotion. No substance whatsoever.
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Our leftist members are very good at pretending and lying to themselves.
It doesn't work on any of us, but must make them feel better about being the communists' little bitches.
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Our leftist members are very good at pretending and lying to themselves.
It doesn't work on any of us, but must make them feel better about being the communists' little bitches.
Why would they need to feel better about that? They are in complete denial about being stooges and having been duped.
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Why would they need to feel better about that? They are in complete denial about being stooges and having been duped.
"Useful idiots".
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"Useful idiots".
Apparatchiks.
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Anybody remember her?
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/02/18/nsa-whistleblower-reality-winner-petitions-trump-for-early-release-from-prison/
A judge sentenced Winner to five years and eight months behind bars starting in August 2018 for violating the Espionage Act by slipping top secret documents to an investigative news website about the Russian hacking of local voting systems ahead of the 2016 election.
“Our country was attacked by a hostile foreign power,” The Intercept quoted Grinter as saying at the press conference.
Grinter continued:
Our national healing process cannot begin until we forgive our truth tellers and begin the job of rebuilding what was taken from us: election security, accountability for those who endeavor to undermine our democracy; and safeguarding the American right to government by and for the people. None of this can begin in earnest while we are still punishing those who tell us the truth.
The left in 2017: Our country was attacked by a hostile foreign power! Winner is a hero and should not be punished.
The left in 2020: Whistleblowers presenting evidence of foreign interference should be threatened and destroyed.
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https://tennesseestar.com/2020/12/25/nearly-two-thirds-of-georgia-counties-fail-to-produce-chain-of-custody-documents-for-460000-absentee-ballots-after-the-november-3-general-election/
With eleven days until Georgia’s U.S. runoff election, a large majority of the state’s counties have failed to produce chain of custody documents for some 460,000 absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes that were counted in the state’s November 3 general election as requested by The Georgia Star News.
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger certified that Democrat Joe Biden edged out President Trump by a thin majority and as a result, Mr. Biden received all 16 votes cast by Democrat electors when the Electoral College convened in the 50 state capitals on Monday.
Of the roughly 5 million votes cast in the November 3 election, election officials report that more than 1.3 million were by absentee ballots. In the current tally, Joe Biden leads Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential contest by 11,779 votes – or just 0.235 percent.
A poll of likely voters in Georgia conducted by John McLaughlin and Associates found that 26 percent of respondents said they voted absentee. When the pollster asked the absentee voters if they mailed or deposited their ballot in a drop box, 53 percent said they mailed their ballot, representing about 700,000 votes; and 46 percent – representing 600,000 votes – said they used drop boxes.
In the two weeks since The Georgia Star News first reported no chain of custody ballot transfer forms have been produced for the more than 500,000 of the 600,000 drop box absentee ballots cast, the 159 counties in the state have made little progress producing the documents. Furthermore, the Secretary of State has shown no interest in providing any assistance to require the counties fulfill the open record requests.