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Title: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Lucifer on February 06, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196794/Woman-dragged-plane-pleads-guilty-disorderly-conduct.html

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Coleman, who has taught biotechnolgy at University of Michigan at Ann Arbor since 2012, was ejected from a Delta Air Lines flight on December 12 as it was preparing to depart for San Diego at the airport in Romulus, about 20 miles southwest of Detroit.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Steingar on February 06, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
Might not be easy making tenure after an embarrassment like that, if it is true that she's an untenured faculty.  Surprising, actually.  Most of the folks I've met on the STEM side of things are pretty level-headed.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 06, 2017, 05:52:19 PM
Might not be easy making tenure after an embarrassment like that, if it is true that she's an untenured faculty.  Surprising, actually.  Most of the folks I've met on the STEM side of things are pretty level-headed.

LMAO, she'll probably get some endowed chair.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 06, 2017, 07:36:35 PM
LMAO, she'll probably get some endowed chair.

Consider how well some former members of the 60's Weather Underground (with murder convictions) have fared in academia:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/10/how-1960s-radicals-ended-up-teaching-your-kids.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/10/how-1960s-radicals-ended-up-teaching-your-kids.html)
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: bflynn on February 07, 2017, 07:15:46 AM
Might not be easy making tenure after an embarrassment like that, if it is true that she's an untenured faculty.  Surprising, actually.  Most of the folks I've met on the STEM side of things are pretty level-headed.

Most of the people that I've met period are pretty level-headed. 
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Steingar on February 07, 2017, 07:25:53 AM
Most of the people that I've met period are pretty level-headed.

Our experiences are considerably different.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Little Joe on February 07, 2017, 07:26:20 AM
Most of the people that I've met period are pretty level-headed.
Have you ever earned a living by providing a service to people for a fee?  You see a lot of irrational people that way.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: bflynn on February 07, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
Have you ever earned a living by providing a service to people for a fee?  You see a lot of irrational people that way.

Just for the past 20 years, as a consultant and five years before that as a network engineer at the university.  The number of irrational people I have seen have been very few. 

My thought for the day is "Humility - maybe it isn't them".  Honey, be careful, they say there's an idiot driving the wrong way on the 101.  Oh Darling, there isn't just one, there's hundreds of them! 

We should each doubt our own infallibility.

Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Little Joe on February 07, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
Just for the past 20 years, as a consultant and five years before that as a network engineer at the university.  The number of irrational people I have seen have been very few. 

My thought for the day is "Humility - maybe it isn't them".  Honey, be careful, they say there's an idiot driving the wrong way on the 101.  Oh Darling, there isn't just one, there's hundreds of them! 

We should each doubt our own infallibility.
So you don't provide a service to individuals who are spending their own money.  80% of them may be rational, but there is at least 15 to 20% that will drive you crazy if you let them.  You give them your best professional advice and they call you a thief because 20 years ago they paid 20% of what you are charging.  I remember one couple that I fired as a customer because they complained about everything.  A few days later I went to get a hair cut and the same man had the young lady stylist in tears with his asinine behavior.  When he saw me glaring at him he shut up and left.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: bflynn on February 07, 2017, 09:58:02 PM
So you don't provide a service to individuals who are spending their own money.  80% of them may be rational, but there is at least 15 to 20% that will drive you crazy if you let them.  You give them your best professional advice and they call you a thief because 20 years ago they paid 20% of what you are charging.  I remember one couple that I fired as a customer because they complained about everything.  A few days later I went to get a hair cut and the same man had the young lady stylist in tears with his asinine behavior.  When he saw me glaring at him he shut up and left.

All service is to individuals.  I would say they was 99% rational.  Whose money it is is irrelevant.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Little Joe on February 08, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
All service is to individuals.  I would say they was 99% rational.  Whose money it is is irrelevant.
But not to individuals "that are spending their own money".  People don't get so emotionally weird when they are spending OPM.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 09, 2017, 04:37:06 AM
People don't get so emotionally weird when they are spending OPM.

I submit that people still get weird, just in a different way.  With OPM they can spend like drunken sailors, supporting any cause based on emotion rather than reason.


Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Number7 on February 09, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Academics see themselves as elitist, brilliant, oh-so-superior to the unwashed masses.

We see academics as:
(https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16641123_1402749689756581_4775313303637699500_n.jpg?oh=7423647e17af38092d51b15be2922569&oe=59427ABF)

https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16641123_1402749689756581_4775313303637699500_n.jpg?oh=7423647e17af38092d51b15be2922569&oe=59427ABF
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: bflynn on February 09, 2017, 09:26:14 AM
But not to individuals "that are spending their own money".  People don't get so emotionally weird when they are spending OPM.

I disagree.  People don't get emotionally weird because they're spending their own money, they do it when they perceive they are getting inferior value for the money being spent. 
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2017, 09:28:04 AM
I disagree.  People don't get emotionally weird because they're spending their own money, they do it when they perceive they are getting inferior value for the money being spent.

Or "make up" that they are not getting what they paid for, so they can get something EXTRA. 
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 09, 2017, 09:29:47 AM
That Ramirez cartoon is wholly accurate.

I don't know where this all is going, but since the election I have not seen one iota of evidence that the left is going to respect our elected leadership. Everything is a fight to them, and their convoluted reasoning tells them they are "right."

But by remorselessly destroying the cherished ideals of free speech and peaceful transfer of power, and smirkingly and obliquely encouraging attacks on people and property, they are continually handing Trump the moral high ground.

Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2017, 09:38:03 AM
That Ramirez cartoon is wholly accurate.

I don't know where this all is going, but since the election I have not seen one iota of evidence that the left is going to respect our elected leadership. Everything is a fight to them, and their convoluted reasoning tells them they are "right."

But by remorselessly destroying the cherished ideals of free speech and peaceful transfer of power, and smirkingly and obliquely encouraging attacks on people and property, they are continually handing Trump the moral high ground.

I, and many like me were vehemently opposed to the election of Obama, and his eight year reign.  However, I don't know anybody that rioted, acted violently, destroyed property, stopped traffic, and commerce, etc.  Nor do I know any companies that took products off the market for political reasons, or the media, public organizations, or universities that constantly berated Obama.   
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: PaulS on February 09, 2017, 10:51:57 AM
Temper tantrum, and parents who gave into the tantrums to keep peace result in this type of behavior.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Username on February 09, 2017, 11:12:24 AM
I, and many like me were vehemently opposed to the election of Obama, and his eight year reign.  However, I don't know anybody that rioted, acted violently, destroyed property, stopped traffic, and commerce, etc.  Nor do I know any companies that took products off the market for political reasons, or the media, public organizations, or universities that constantly berated Obama.

Of course not.  To do so would be racist.  Any negative, or even non-positive comment about Obama is automatically caused by being a racist.  It's a label that, once given, is very hard to remove.  Even if it's given without cause.
Title: Re: More from the world of Academia
Post by: Little Joe on February 09, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
I submit that people still get weird, just in a different way.  With OPM they can spend like drunken sailors, supporting any cause based on emotion rather than reason.
Yeah, but we are talking about those people being assholes to the person providing the service.

If you are buying for a business or government with OPM, you may be rude or tough.  But people paying for services with their own money can be true shitheads.  They will curse and call you a theif and make idiots of themselves.  (I love being able to say "asshole" and "shithead" without seeing ****s).