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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on November 17, 2021, 05:42:03 AM

Title: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2021, 05:42:03 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/vials-labeled-small-pox-found-in-lab-near-philadelphia-003127682.html

  So what the hell was Merck doing with this??

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WASHINGTON — The FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are investigating “questionable vials” labeled "smallpox" and found in a freezer last night at a Merck facility outside Philadelphia, according to an alert sent to Department of Homeland Security leadership on Tuesday night.

There were reportedly a total of 15 questionable vials, according to the unclassified "For Official Use Only" alert, a copy of which was obtained by Yahoo News. Five of the vials were labeled as “smallpox” and 10 were labeled as “vaccinia." The vials were secured immediately.

The discovery of the vials prompted a lockdown of the facility, which has since been lifted. The FBI and CDC launched investigations, which remain ongoing.

“There is no indication that anyone has been exposed to the small number of frozen vials. The frozen vials labeled ‘Smallpox’ were incidentally discovered by a laboratory worker while cleaning out a freezer in a facility that conducts vaccine research in Pennsylvania,” a CDC spokesperson told Yahoo News.

“CDC, its Administration partners, and law enforcement are investigating the matter, and the vials’ contents appear intact. The laboratory worker who discovered the vials was wearing gloves and a face mask. We will provide further details as they are available,” the spokesperson said.

Smallpox, a disease caused by the variola virus, is considered so deadly that only two labs in the world are authorized to store samples of the virus, including one in Russia and the other at the CDC in Atlanta.


Scientists have debated for years whether to destroy any remaining samples, citing the danger of a mishap that could unleash a disease that has been eradicated since the 1970s. Those in favor of keeping samples have argued they are needed to develop new vaccines in response to a new outbreak.

The majority of Americans are not vaccinated against smallpox, and those who were vaccinated would likely now have waning immunity.

The CDC will arrive on site tomorrow to take custody of the vials and transport them to another facility for testing, the alert notes. No personnel were reportedly exposed to the material.

DHS and FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2021, 05:47:46 AM
I'm sure more 'facts' will be made available right after the fbi invents them.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Anthony on November 17, 2021, 06:16:17 AM
I'm sure more 'facts' will be made available right after the fbi invents them.

It's crazy that we live in an age where some of our most important and respected institutions are now largely not only a joke, but HOSTILE to law abiding American citizens, at least at or near the top.  I'd include CIA and NSA in that list, plus BATF, IRS, EPA, etc.  It is amazing what these Marxists have done to society. 
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2021, 06:18:21 AM
So either they were legacy from decades ago and forgotten in some basement vault (unlikely) or someone is unhappy with the incomplete destruction of the U.S. because the coronavirus wasn’t panic inducing enough and planned to launch an actual panic worthy pandemic this time.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: jb1842 on November 17, 2021, 06:23:58 AM
It's crazy that we live in an age where some of our most important and respected institutions are now largely not only a joke, but HOSTILE to law abiding American citizens, at least at or near the top.  I'd include CIA and NSA in that list, plus BATF, IRS, EPA, etc.  It is amazing what these Marxists have done to society.

All government agencies are self serving. They hide behind a persona of helping the people to justify bigger budgets. It's all about the money. The FBI has over 100 agents assigned to their Congressional Liason office.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2021, 06:40:12 AM
All government agencies are self serving. They hide behind a persona of helping the people to justify bigger budgets. It's all about the money. The FBI has over 100 agents assigned to their Congressional Liason office.

This. I worked in government. Everyone, understandably, is concerned with their own paycheck and career. Similar to how in private enterprise you’re concerned with profit. That’s human nature. Nothing wrong with looking out for yourself. The difference is, in government you’re not having to make a fair trade for your money, it’s just given to you by taxpayers. There’s no customer to keep happy. That’s what drives the malignant expansion of budgets and turf wars.

Compared to law enforcement, my school system bureaucracy was relatively benign. But in federal law enforcement you have powerful weapons such as the Patriot Act that you can use against individuals. If an agency becomes too heavily weighted to one political side, in times when the nation is polarized, you end up with de facto witch hunts for whichever side isn’t in the majority in the agency.

Well at least back in the day school systems were benign; I guess now they expect to engage federal LE as their own Gestapo to go after their enemies, i.e. parents who disagree with the curriculum.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Anthony on November 17, 2021, 07:54:01 AM
All government agencies are self serving. They hide behind a persona of helping the people to justify bigger budgets. It's all about the money. The FBI has over 100 agents assigned to their Congressional Liason office.

I worked in State government the first five years of my career.  The first thing I was told as a Bureau Director was to spend ALL of my budget so I'd get more the next year.  That was when I realized I needed to get out. 

However, the current shit goes well beyond "self serving".  This is pure political hostility against the taxpayers to Social Engineer or worse.    This isn't business as usual.  This is NAZI Germany, The Soviet Union and Red China. 
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2021, 08:12:09 AM
I worked in State government the first five years of my career.  The first thing I was told as a Bureau Director was to spend ALL of my budget so I'd get more the next year.  That was when I realized I needed to get out. 

However, the current shit goes well beyond "self serving".  This is pure political hostility against the taxpayers to Social Engineer or worse.    This isn't business as usual.  This is NAZI Germany, The Soviet Union and Red China.

Yep. This goes beyond self serving greed into malicious evil.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
I worked in State government the first five years of my career.  The first thing I was told as a Bureau Director was to spend ALL of my budget so I'd get more the next year.  That was when I realized I needed to get out. 

However, the current shit goes well beyond "self serving".  This is pure political hostility against the taxpayers to Social Engineer or worse.    This isn't business as usual.  This is NAZI Germany, The Soviet Union and Red China.
I was the director if IT of a company that was contracted to maintain the computer systems of an EPA research station with around 350 people.  They were mostly scientists that needed lots of computer power, lots of storage and incredibly stringent uptime requirements.  Every year at budget time, the EPA station director would come to me and ask what I needed for the next year.  At first, I would tell her what I NEEDED.  Then she would tell me that I need to list more stuff so we can use up the budget.  I dug down to my "like to have" list.  That still wasn't enough.  So I started listing toys and totally unnecessary stuff.  One year we dumped almost all of our CRTs and ordered a bunch of flat screen monitors.  This was when they were still new (and expensive).  At least the scientists appreciated that because it gave them more desk room, but still . . .  Even then she usually asked for more items to use up the budget.  I quit on my third budget experience.  The budget process wasn't the only reason I left, but it was typical of most of the other reasons.  This was in the early '80s.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: jb1842 on November 17, 2021, 08:43:42 AM
We used to have to fight all year to get stuff that we needed only to be told there is no room in the budget. Then come September, we were told to start making a list of things to buy with end of year money. Can't buy new ballistic vests or helmets, but admin gets new chairs and flat screen TVs every year.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 17, 2021, 10:19:48 AM
I was the director if IT of a company that was contracted to maintain the computer systems of an EPA research station with around 350 people.  They were mostly scientists that needed lots of computer power, lots of storage and incredibly stringent uptime requirements.  Every year at budget time, the EPA station director would come to me and ask what I needed for the next year.  At first, I would tell her what I NEEDED.  Then she would tell me that I need to list more stuff so we can use up the budget.  I dug down to my "like to have" list.  That still wasn't enough.  So I started listing toys and totally unnecessary stuff.  One year we dumped almost all of our CRTs and ordered a bunch of flat screen monitors.  This was when they were still new (and expensive).  At least the scientists appreciated that because it gave them more desk room, but still . . .  Even then she usually asked for more items to use up the budget.  I quit on my third budget experience.  The budget process wasn't the only reason I left, but it was typical of most of the other reasons.  This was in the early '80s.

Use it or lose it. There's always competition for budget at the dept head level.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 18, 2021, 08:24:58 AM
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Scientists have debated for years whether to destroy any remaining samples, citing the danger of a mishap that could unleash a disease that has been eradicated since the 1970s.


I take issue with this.


There was a small window of time when I was in the Corps just prior to invasion of Iraq, where I recall there was discussion of full rollout of Smallpox vaccinations. This was just on the heels of the mandatory Anthrax vaccinations (that ~2 years later were proved unlawful). The way I recall, several Marines died after smallpox inoculation and that program quietly went away.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 18, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
it's my understanding that smallpox is not out there in the wild.  I could be wrong, but I believe it is the only virus that has been eradicated.

Any military program to vaccinate personnel would have been in anticipation of an enemy using smallpox as a weapon.
Title: Re: FBI investigating vials labeled 'smallpox' found in lab near Philadelphia
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 18, 2021, 09:38:43 AM

Any military program to vaccinate personnel would have been in anticipation of an enemy using smallpox as a weapon.
That was the justification for the anthrax program, but only a few countries have the capability to weaponize anthrax and they are all US allies. The FBI closed the 2001 (Amerithrax) domestic investigation as an insider job. Anyone that knows about bioweapons protocols will tell you, it wasn't a lone wolf either.