PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on September 21, 2016, 07:15:45 AM
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The hard truth about Terence Crutcher and Tulsa: What kind of white person do you want to be?
The killing of yet another unarmed black man by police shows little will change until White America joins the fight
On Friday, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, a 40-year-old black man named Terence Crutcher had car troubles. The police approached him. Terence Crutcher responded by putting his hands in the air. The Tulsa police used a taser on Crutcher. A Tulsa police officer, Betty Shelby, then shot him dead. They left him bleeding in the street for almost a minute before rendering any aid. The incident was recorded on video. Terence Crutcher had committed no crime. He was unarmed. He was a motorist in distress. He was driving home from a music appreciation class at a local college. This street execution took less than thirty seconds....
And here's my favorite part:
I used to think that maybe I’d let my anger serve as an engine. But I’ve since discovered that my anger over each new racist incident is now rivaled and augmented by the anger I feel when asked to explain, once more, why black people shouldn’t be brutalized, insulted, and killed. If you’re a person of color, the racism beat is also a professional commitment to defending your right and the right of people like you to be treated with consideration to an audience filled with readers champing at the bit to call you nothing but a nigger playing the race card.
http://www.salon.com/2016/09/21/the-hard-truth-about-terence-crutcher-and-tulsa-what-kind-of-white-person-do-you-want-to-be/
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What do you expect us to say?
If the situation is as was described, then the police officers should be tried for murder (of some degree), and punished accordingly.
Or do you think we should swarm out into the streets and burn our neighborhoods down and steal each others TVs just to bring attention to this?
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If local, state and the federal government treated every situation the same, these things would take care of themselves.
IF the facts justify/prove the accusations then murder is the proper criminal charge for the police who perpetrated the crime.
The problem is the government(s) never seem to deal with anything honestly, fairly, and properly, so when these happen a lot of people have lots of time and energy to protest and burn down other people's property.
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There are reports which state, when killed, his hands were down and he was reaching into the vehicle. The video, both street level and air level, is inconclusive. Not that that justifies killing but it may bring reason for the discharge of the firearm. As with all of these incidents (police shootings of civilians), I'll wait until the facts are discovered before drawing a conclusion.
As for the OP question; the exact kind I am now. Well, I'd like to be taller and weigh a bit less but only the latter I have any control over.
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Sucks to be him. More evidence that GOVERNMENT is INCOMPETENT on every level
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What kind of black man do you want to be?
How many have seen the video from the police helicopter?
1) A taser was never used
2) Crutcher's hands were not over his head when he was shot. His right hand was at his waist
I'm sick of this. Of course Black Lives Matter. So STOP DOING STUPID STUFF THAT GETS YOU SHOT!
Jaybird, you seem to be getting really wrong information about these events. I would suggest you find another source of information.
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That's the first time I've seen that camera angle. It looks like several officers have their weapons drawn. Why then would only one officer fire? Why did she decide to take the shot and where was she in the line? Why was he walking to the car? I would need the audio from the ground to put the missing pieces together.
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Have you seen the dude's rap sheet? A little Google foo should turn that up for. Why do these folks do stupid shit like walk back to the car? Have you seen the video from 1998 where the dude goes back to the car and ends up killing the policeman? Does a police man/woman not have reasonable hope to go home at the end of their shift and not end up in a body nag?
BTW, I believe she has been charged with manslaughter. I sense an acquittal coming.
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In Oklahoma:
First degree manslaughter is defined in 21 O.S. § 711, and it occurs when a death results from one of three specific criteria:
When perpetrated without a design to effect death by a person while engaged in the commission of a misdemeanor.
When perpetrated without a design to effect death, and in a heat of passion, but in a cruel and unusual manner, or by means of a dangerous weapon; unless it is committed under such circumstances as constitute excusable or justifiable homicide.
When perpetrated unnecessarily either while resisting an attempt by the person killed to commit a crime, or after such attempt shall have failed.
Manslaughter charges are charged instead of murder charges when specific actions committed “without a design to effect death” claim the life of another person. These words separate manslaughter from the “malice aforethought” or “imminently dangerous” actions “evincing a depraved mind” stipulated in first and second degree murder charges.
Was the officer firing without a design to effect death? Did the circumstances constitute something excusable?
I'm not confident about the acquittal.
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Have you seen the dude's rap sheet? A little Google foo should turn that up for. Why do these folks do stupid shit like walk back to the car? Have you seen the video from 1998 where the dude goes back to the car and ends up killing the policeman? Does a police man/woman not have reasonable hope to go home at the end of their shift and not end up in a body nag?
BTW, I believe she has been charged with manslaughter. I sense an acquittal coming.
His rap sheet is irrelevant.
So is drugs in the car.
Unfortunately either may give clues as to him going back to the car.
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Here's the story on Betty Shelby, a "drug using THUG".
https://twitter.com/thejadabradshaw/status/778608777960361984
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Here's the story on Betty Shelby, a "drug using THUG".
https://twitter.com/thejadabradshaw/status/778608777960361984
And if it's on Twitter, then it must be true!
Just how selective are you when it comes to choosing what to believe? Is the only important criteria is that it fits your preconceived, prejudicial opinion?
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My skin color does not define me. I don't care about skin color, I care about the character of a person.
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My skin color does not define me. I don't care about skin color, I care about the character of a person.
While that may be true for you, you live in a world where that's what everyone else sees upon first meeting you.
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And if it's on Twitter, then it must be true!
Just how selective are you when it comes to choosing what to believe? Is the only important criteria is that it fits your preconceived, prejudicial opinion?
You're welcome to debunk it.
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While that may be true for you, you live in a world where that's what everyone else sees upon first meeting you.
"may be true"? wow
You appear to focus on skin color when you meet someone. But guess what, not everyone cares about skin color.
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"may be true"? wow
You appear to focus on skin color when you meet someone. But guess what, not everyone cares about skin color.
That's silly and monotonous. When I meet someone, I can generally give a full description of their appearance, clothing and accessories. Do you not have the ability to do that?
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Here's the story on Betty Shelby, a "drug using THUG".
https://twitter.com/thejadabradshaw/status/778608777960361984
Wow. Strong indictment. Better find a rope and a tall tree.
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My skin color does not define me. I don't care about skin color, I care about the character of a person.
RACIST!!!!!!!
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I want to be the type of white person that can be friends with anyone I choose, regardless of race, and one that does not have to apologize for something that happened before my time and out of my control.
As an aside Jaybird, what do "black people" think of those patronizing, guilt ridden white people that think they need to take care of those poor, mistreated, uneducated blacks?
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http://www.salon.com/2016/09/21/the-hard-truth-about-terence-crutcher-and-tulsa-what-kind-of-white-person-do-you-want-to-be/
Just out of curiosity, WHAT kind of black person do you WANT to be????
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Just out of curiosity, WHAT kind of black person do you WANT to be????
Good question. I get often get mixed signals from Jaybird. I do think he shows us situations from a different viewpoint, and that is a good thing, but I would like to know the answer to your question.
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Just out of curiosity, WHAT kind of black person do you WANT to be????
And more important question for everyone would be: "what kind of person do you want to be?"
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The Obama Admin, Hillary, the Democrats and the media has succeeded in polarizing us by race, gender, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, etc. LBJ really started it, and now look where we are. Almost sixty years later we are worse off now then before. The Democrat machine in every city, along with many states, and especially the Federal government has purposely divided us to keep us weak, and unable to mount a unified front against out of control government growth, and abuse.
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The Obama Admin, Hillary, the Democrats and the media has succeeded in polarizing us by race, gender, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, etc. LBJ really started it, and now look where we are. Almost sixty years later we are worse off now then before. The Democrat machine in every city, along with many states, and especially the Federal government has purposely divided us to keep us weak, and unable to mount a unified front against out of control government growth, and abuse.
Divide and conquer.
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Divide and conquer.
Saul Alinsky.
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The Obama Admin, Hillary, the Democrats and the media has succeeded in polarizing us by race, gender, religion, economic status, sexual orientation, etc. LBJ really started it, and now look where we are.
Yeah, there was no racism at all in the Johnson administration. You bet.
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Yeah, there was no racism at all in the Johnson administration. You bet.
If you are sarcastically saying that there WAS racism in the Johnson administration, then you are agreeing with Anthony.
If you are saying there wasn't, then you are misinformed.
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If you are sarcastically saying that there WAS racism in the Johnson administration, then you are agreeing with Anthony.
If you are saying there wasn't, then you are misinformed.
What is the famous LBJ quote? "I'll have them (insert N word here) voting Democrat for the next two hundred years". He swapped a rural plantation for an urban one.
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That's silly and monotonous. When I meet someone, I can generally give a full description of their appearance, clothing and accessories. Do you not have the ability to do that?
I can do that too. The difference is, skin color to me is akin to what color shirt someone is wearing. in other words, I don't care what color your skin is.
And along that line, I don't care if you're wearing designer clothes or filthy rags. I don't care if you've just come from the spa, or if you haven't bathed in a couple days.
What you look like means nothing to me. Its nothing but a descriptor. A means to single you out to someone if I don't know what your name is.
Who you are as a person is pretty much all that matters.
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I can do that too. The difference is, skin color to me is akin to what color shirt someone is wearing. in other words, I don't care what color your skin is.
I used to be that way.
Now, when I meet a black person, I assume he already hates me. Jaybird helped push me in that direction.
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I used to be that way.
Now, when I meet a black person, I assume he already hates me. Jaybird helped push me in that direction.
Me too! Dang, Jaybird, stop!
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I used to be that way.
Now, when I meet a black person, I assume he already hates me. Jaybird helped push me in that direction.
Today, that is an easy trap to fall into. However, I have Black neighbors. I live in a pretty affluent, semi-rural area, so as far as I know they are the only Black family in my vicinity. They own their own landscaping business. Their kids are hard working, and respectful. I hire them to trim my trees and do other lawn work. They are VERY good people. It is not about color, it is about VALUES, and character. Their values are similar to mine, and I like them very much. The challenge is to show the rest of the Black community that these values can improve their lives.
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I hire them to trim my trees and do other lawn work.
RACIST!!!!!
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RACIST!!!!!
"I road a tank, held a generals rank when the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank..."
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"I road a tank, held a generals rank when the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank..."
;D
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Skin color is meaningless but I actually care about the clothes you are wearing and I infer judgements about your capabilities and demeanor from them. If you are in a well fitted suit and alert, firm handshake and aware of what is going on then I think of you differently than if you are in baggy pants around your thighs, gold chains around your neck, a wife beater and a dew rag.
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Skin color is meaningless but I actually care about the clothes you are wearing and I infer judgements about your capabilities and demeanor from them. If you are in a well fitted suit and alert, firm handshake and aware of what is going on then I think of you differently than if you are in baggy pants around your thighs, gold chains around your neck, a wife beater and a dew rag.
And I have encountered the opposite. Nice clothes do not make you smart.
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And I have encountered the opposite. Nice clothes do not make you smart.
Maybe not, but it says more about the person than you realize.
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Maybe not, but it says more about the person than you realize.
If it were not so, good lawyers wouldn't bother dressing gangbangers up in a suit for the courtroom.
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There are things that make me think about the title of this thread. I was out and about yesterday here in the burbs of ATL. What's funny is I interacted with lots of black folks, holding the door for them or them holding a door for me. The event I was at last night, I was even approached by a young black man carrying a gun. He is in the PI business and looks forward to being a LEO some day. Every day I'm out and about I have these same types of interactions.
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Last time I was in Ga. I casually mentioned to one of the fellows I was with that there were more back people where we were than my home burb. They very rudely said that we could have them, and proceeded into a long vituperative rant about African Americans. I managed to massage the situation explaining that many of the aforementioned in my neck of the woods were Somali immigrants seeking a better life (and quickly changed the subject), but truly I had never in my life seen such naked bigotry. And this was educated fellows and pilots. I'm glad I'm in an academic situation in a northern state, I dislike discrimination and racism and am happy to hold it at arms length.
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I've met more than a fair share of racism in Ohio and other northern states. Same with college campuses, they are not immune either.
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I've met more than a fair share of racism in Ohio and other northern states. Same with college campuses, they are not immune either.
Then perhaps you're a bigotry magnet, since I have never seen any such thing in Ohio or on any college campus anywhere. The again, for all I know you're a 300 pound teenager living in his mother's basement eating mayonnaise out of a jar.
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Then perhaps you're a bigotry magnet, since I have never seen any such thing in Ohio or on any college campus anywhere. The again, for all I know you're a 300 pound teenager living in his mother's basement eating mayonnaise out of a jar.
What is it you keep telling us about insults? Hmmmmmmm.
Anyway, you live in a fantasy world.
https://www.jbhe.com/incidents
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-campus-racism-just-wont-go-away/2016/02/19/cdc30ac6-cab9-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html?utm_term=.628e1c0892ab
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Last time I was in Ga. I casually mentioned to one of the fellows I was with that there were more back people where we were than my home burb. They very rudely said that we could have them, and proceeded into a long vituperative rant about African Americans. I managed to massage the situation explaining that many of the aforementioned in my neck of the woods were Somali immigrants seeking a better life (and quickly changed the subject), but truly I had never in my life seen such naked bigotry. And this was educated fellows and pilots. I'm glad I'm in an academic situation in a northern state, I dislike discrimination and racism and am happy to hold it at arms length.
I'm curious how long ago that was.
I lived in Georgia for around 30 years. Some of it was in the deep south and some of it was in the Atlanta area. In those 30+ years, I saw a huge shift in racial tolerance. Yes, years ago there was plenty of racism. There still is some, but it is nothing like it used to be. Funny thing though, most of those racist "good old boys" were solid Democrats.
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Funny thing though, most of those racist "good old boys" were solid Democrats.
Yep.
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Last time I was in Ga. I casually mentioned to one of the fellows I was with that there were more back people where we were than my home burb. They very rudely said that we could have them, and proceeded into a long vituperative rant about African Americans. I managed to massage the situation explaining that many of the aforementioned in my neck of the woods were Somali immigrants seeking a better life (and quickly changed the subject), but truly I had never in my life seen such naked bigotry. And this was educated fellows and pilots. I'm glad I'm in an academic situation in a northern state, I dislike discrimination and racism and am happy to hold it at arms length.
Yet you felt the need, in the Deep South, to point out that there are more blacks in wherever you were in Georgia as compared to your town in Ohio. Seriously? I lived in Charlotte for 6 years, and my daughter went to vet school in Mississippi, and I have spent my fair share of time in the south. I'm not sure I would have ever asked a question like that. What exactly was the point?
There is a term for people like you: you are a racial narcissist. As long as you are the first to point out the racism of others, you believe you are superior to others, while also insulated yourself against any charges of racism against you.
Clever.
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I'm curious how long ago that was.
I lived in Georgia for around 30 years. Some of it was in the deep south and some of it was in the Atlanta area. In those 30+ years, I saw a huge shift in racial tolerance. Yes, years ago there was plenty of racism. There still is some, but it is nothing like it used to be. Funny thing though, most of those racist "good old boys" were solid Democrats.
I noticed that in Starkville, Mississippi. I termed it being post-racial, meaning whites and blacks seem to more peacefully and naturally coexist better than in other cities, especially in the north.
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I noticed that in Starkville, Mississippi. I termed it being post-racial, meaning whites and blacks seem to more peacefully and naturally coexist better than in other cities, especially in the north.
The problem with coexistence is it fails to provide a platform for liberal racists to beat the drum against non racist republicans and also endangers the race whores like Farrakhan and Sharpton from hauling in wheel barrows full of money by shouting lies about it.