I know way more about viruses than any of you guys, and they don't confuse little old me.  My neighbor has the 'rona now.  I am worried it could kill her husband, I'm certain he has it too.  Mrs. Steingar was out with her outside the other day, and she's worried she might have it as well.  I told her if she's going to get it from our neighbor she already has it, and so do I.  I doubt it, but we'll just have to wait and see.  I don't care what Trumplethinskin says about it.  It is a dangerous virus and highly infectious.

Have you heard of the Great Barrington Declaration?  How about these people?  Do they know as much as you? 

Newsweek article below just for reference:

BREAKING NEWS:  The world renowned experts in their fields, after a 4 day conference regarding COVID-19, declare that WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO LIVING NORMALLY, PRACTICING SIMPLE HYGIENE & STAYING HOME WHEN SICK (NO FACE MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING) and only protect the most vulnerable populations with more protective measures!

“From October 1-4, 2020, the American Institute for Economic Research had a remarkable meeting of top epidemiologists, economists, and journalists, to discuss the global emergency created by the unprecedented use of state compulsion in the management of the Covid-19 pandemic. The result is The Great Barrington Declaration, which urges a “Focused Protection” strategy.”

“Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume.”

Signed by:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Professor, Medicine, Harvard Medical School.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Professor,  Medicine, Stanford University.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Professor, Theoretical Epidemiology, University of Oxford.
The co-signers include

Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, PhD. associate professor of biostatistics at Baylor University and the Director of the Baylor Statistical Consulting Center. He is a Colonel in the US Army (retired) whose research includes a focus on infectious disease spread and diagnosis.

Dr. Eitan Friedman, MD, PhD. Founder and Director, The Susanne Levy Gertner Oncogenetics Unit, The Danek Gertner Institute of Human Genetics, Chaim Sheba Medical Center and Professor of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine and Depertment of Human Genetics and Biochemistry, Tel-Aviv University

Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, MD, MPH a physician with the VA health system with expertise in epidemiology, health equity practice, and health impact assessment of public policy. He formerly served as a Deputy Health Officer for San Francisco for 18 years.

Dr. Michael Levitt, PhD is a biophysicist and a professor of structural biology at Stanford University. Prof. Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.

Dr. Eyal Shahar, MD professor (emeritus) of public health at the University of Arizona, a physician, epidemiologist, with expertise in causal and statistical inference.

Dr. David Katz, MD, MPH, President, True Health Initiative and the Founder and Former Director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, PhD., professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science at Stanford University Medical School, a biostatistician and data scientist

Dr. Simon Thornley, PhD is an epidemiologist at the University of Auckland, New Zealand. He has experience in biostatistics and epidemiological analysis, and has applied these to a range of areas including communicable and non-communicable diseases.

Dr. Michael Jackson, PhD is an ecologist and research fellow at the University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.

Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA.

Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Prof. Udi Qimron, Chair, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University

Prof. Ariel Munitz, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University

Prof. Motti Gerlic, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University

Dr. Uri Gavish, an expert in algorithm analysis and a biomedical consultant

Prof. Ellen Townsend, Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, UK.

Dr. Paul McKeigue, professor of epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in statistical modelling of disease.

Dr. Mario Recker, Associate Professor in Applied Mathematics at the Centre for Mathematics and the Environment, University of Exeter.

Prof. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge

Prof. Stephen Bremner, Professor of Medical Statistics, Brighton and Sussex Medical School, University of Sussex

Prof. Matthew Ratcliffe, Professor of Philosophy specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, UK

Prof. Lisa White, Professor of Modelling and Epidemiology Nuffield Department of Medicine, Oxford University, UK
Prof. Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Department of Oncology, St. George’s, University of London

Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics at Tufts University School of Medicine, an expert on vaccine development, efficacy and safety.

Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in risk prediction.

Prof. Partha P. Majumder, PhD, FNA, FASc, FNASc, FTWAS National Science Chair, Distinguished Professor and Founder National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, KalyaniEmeritus Professor Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata

Dr. Gabriela Gomes, professor at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, a mathematician focussing on population dynamics, evolutionary theory and infectious disease epidemiology.

Prof. Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester, UK
Prof. Simon Wood, professor at Edinburgh University, a statistician with expertise in statistical methodology, applied statistics and mathematical modelling in biology

Prof. David Livermore, Professor at University of East Anglia, a microbiologist with expertise in disease epidemiology, antibiotic resistance and rapid diagnostics

Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, em. Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of Mainz, Germany

Prof. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu,
Professor of Finance, Director at Behavioural Finance Working Group, School of Business and Management, Queen Mary University of London

Prof. Karol Sikora MA, PhD, MBBChir, FRCP, FRCR, FFPM, Medical Director of Rutherford Health, Oncologist, & Dean of Medicine

Ask yourself WHY this isn't flooding every news station and WHY they're still pushing fear and death?!


https://www.newsweek.com/over-6000-scientists-sign-anti-lockdown-petition-saying-its-causing-irreparable-damage-1537047?fbclid=IwAR2CZR_ezNm72f_XKbzf5qefzE6hkHpMtgZnZKyzRGSIJ3e2Z7KolVAN1G0

Effing hypocrites. 

I’m not sure it’s hypocrisy.

I think that due to the willful swarm of the leftist locusts over all public education, our young people are intentionally made utterly ignorant with respect our US history, and the history of western civilization.

Now, when you try to reason with these ignorant little skinny jeans-wearing junior Taliban “warriors” that want to tear down Columbus statues that Columbus helped bring civilization to uncivilized, warring savages, they will argue to their death that WE are wrong. They are incapable of hearing facts that conflict with their world view, brought to you by the democrats/socialists/communists.

I am guilty of it on occasion, but try not to as I totally agree with you.  Plus we're all pilots, aircraft owners and/or GA enthusiasts here so have much more in common than most others.

I have little patience for people who regularly and publicly consider themselves to be intellectually superior to me or anyone else.

So for me it’s not about honest political or other differences, it’s about attitude.

I did a little analysis comparing the state of Wisconsin to Ireland. We both have a drinking culture, we both have a couple large cities (Milwaukee 595,000, Dublin 553,000), and we both have a large rural population.

Tell me what you see:

Population:
Wisconsin:  5,850,000
Ireland:  4,950,000

Covid cases:
Wisconsin:  141,780 (2.4% of population)
Ireland:  38,549 (0.8% of population)

Covid deaths:
Wisconsin:  1,393
-percent of pop:  0.02%
-percent of cases:  0.98%

Ireland:  1,810
-percent of pop:  0.03%
-percent of cases:  4.7%

So what does this tell you?  If the number of deaths as a percentage of population is virtually identical, but the number of cases is WILDLY different, either Wisconsinites are wildly irresponsible but get better healthcare, OR the number of cases are largely bullshit.

I’m going with the later.

Note that the number of cases is the metric being used for last month’s mask order and yesterday’s shutdown order (which ends on 11/6). 

Good for you.  The same thing happened in Chester County.  Solid Democrat.  A former Republican stronghold.  At some point I am moving back West, but not CO, maybe WY or SD.

My brother just bought some land near McCall, Idaho to build a house. Pretty conservative state. Except for Boise State’s stupid ass blue football field.

Goddamn you Lucifer and Anthony. I’m ashamed of my fellow moderators for damaging my phone with those disgusting pictures.

Your Pilot Spin account has been suspended until further notice, and until you are ready to post non-offensive pictures.

Here’s an example that will also cleanse this thread.

Yes. Someone I met today is financially devastated because she is a cafeteria worker at the schools and they can’t work remotely and don’t get paid when the schools are closed. She can drive buses but nobody is going to school. She drove the van for the senior center but it’s closed. The unemployment and stimulus isn’t enough to meet her bills. My sister has been slipping her cash to get her through. She is a single mother. They keep pushing back the school opening. Current plan is K through grade 5 in two weeks but her daughter is in grade 7 and has to stay home, but she said if you leave a 12 year old alone at home then CPS will come after you and she is scared, but they allow some children with special needs to come to school, such as autistic and she is applying to get her daughter to be able to come so she can go back to work so she can pay her bills.  It’s a horrific horrible MESS and all of it the shutdown not the virus. This isn’t someone wanting charity, she is desperate to get back to work and loves her work, she loves the children and loves the old people she drove for. That’s how we met her, she is wonderful and patient and loving and hard working.

This is one person’s story and there are hundreds of thousands just like her. It is the blue collar working class that is suffering the most, the ones that can’t do a job remotely from home, and the small businesses being shuttered forever. Trump’s stimulus package was NEVER designed for months on end. This is unsustainable, it is way past the point of reason.

Yet I’ll bet the teachers are still getting paid, which is why they are all for canceling live classes. It doesn’t matter to them.

The next public teacher that says teachers are heroes I’m going to smack the shit out of them. Heroes go to work. Heroes help their fellow man and their community. Heroes are the private school teachers who have continued live school throughout this Covid thing. Heroes check you out at the grocery store checkout line. Heroes are the bartenders and servers who are hoping to have enough customers this week that they are able to pay the rent.

I’m sorry for your friend Rush. As you said, it’s not the Covid that is hurting her. It’s the politicians.