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Title: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2022, 07:59:51 PM
Wow.

That is all.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 15, 2022, 08:06:55 PM
The mushy mufflers, the never Trumpers who live for nothing to change and the corrupt left are losing their freaking minds tonight.

Fuck ‘’em all.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2022, 08:29:52 PM
He’s older but he still has the same draw as always only this time we know, he backs it up with action.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 15, 2022, 09:28:38 PM
I can’t wait for the pussy brigade to show up and tell how dangerous it is for Trump to run for President.

The bullshit they have slung this past week is delusional and typical of pussies and pansies.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 15, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
I can’t wait for the pussy brigade to show up and tell how dangerous it is for Trump to run for President.

The bullshit they have slung this past week is delusional and typical of pussies and pansies.

(https://garden.spoonflower.com/c/6737088/i/xs/4fy-M0h8fjak-AgyJM5m6qTCjRSrcxH8vVE/6737088.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 16, 2022, 05:57:48 AM
nice find...
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2022, 06:21:21 AM
We should start seeing several announcements in the next couple of months.   I suspect Pence will announce, as well as Pompeo. 

The democrats are still trying to dance around the Biden/Harris dilemma, but I strongly believe Newsome will make his move.

Others will sit back a while and see what plays out.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 16, 2022, 06:32:53 AM
We should start seeing several announcements in the next couple of months.   I suspect Pence will announce, as well as Pompeo. 

The democrats are still trying to dance around the Biden/Harris dilemma, but I strongly believe Newsome will make his move.

Others will sit back a while and see what plays out.

The key is in moving kamala out of the way before forcing the senile imposter out.

If the timing is wrong, or pedo joe obstructs by naming a replacement things will get dicey.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 06:41:21 AM
I mean, every word he said packed a punch.  He did right, starting off with the economy, talked a lot about how great things were during his term, contrasted to how horrible it is under Biden, all pure unadulterated TRUTH.  Talked bout foreign relations, the border, did NOT harp much on 2020, but did mention election integrity and he talked about implementing paper ballots in person voting only, which in my opinion was a mistake.  He is right of course but first, how is he going to accomplish that at the federal level?  He can’t.  I’m assuming he means he will encourage various states to fix their election laws. Second, just like Kari Lake, it will only make his enemies all the more determined to see to it he loses.

He will propose a constitutional amendment for term limits!   By the way, C Span fucked up the closed captions several times.  He said the amendment will IMPOSE term limits, the CC said OPPOSE term limits. Is that an automatic transcriber or some person deliberately doing it?

He talked about a Mars mission, and ended with making America even greater than before.  He emphasized the word “glory” and “glorious” which I take issue with.  For me that word conjures up a dictator, “Glorious Leader”.  I would have stuck with “Great”.  But he was of course referring to the country, not himself.

He talked about parents!  Schools, critical race theory and teaching gay/trans stuff in schools.  That’s the big issue the Republicans could have used for the run up to midterms but nooooo instead they emphasized abortion somehow thinking most voters want a complete ban on abortion.  I don’t recall Trump saying one word about abortion.  Correct me if I missed it.  All voters except the lunatic far left want to be in charge of their own children and want to know what’s being taught them in school.  And that’s what Trump talked about.

Trump said “I am your voice,” and something like, “I’m not running, we are running.”  This is the powerful core of Trump’s appeal:  he is doing it for we the common, forgotten man, the one being squashed, censored and controlled by the Dems, regular Reps, ruling elite and swamp.  He talked about this is a “movement”.  He is right of course, and in this speech at least, he established himself firmly again as the inspirational heart and soul of the movement.

I like DeSantis but he doesn’t in any way do this.  Listening to DeSantis I see a smart politician saying and doing most of the right things I want, but a politician still, separate from me, somebody doing the right thing but within the confines of the current system.  He’s still one of “them”.  He cares about me, but isn’t willing to die for me.

That’s not hyperbole:  Trump knows full well what’s about to be unleashed against him. If there’s been no assassination attempt yet, there will be.  He has already withstood more attacks from every direction, from the media to the weaponized federal agencies, and everything in between, than any other person would have tolerated.  Not only does he put himself in the line of fire again - this time knowing full well what it will be - he acknowledged that he puts is family there too, and expressed appreciation to them.

We all admire a man who puts his family first, that’s what you’re supposed to do.  Your family is the most precious thing you have.  Some causes are important enough to lay down your life (going to war for example) but some causes are even more important than that.  So important you risk your family too.  The American Revolution was one such cause.  I view this populist movement up there with the American revolution.  In many ways the heavy yoke under which we suffer is far, FAR worse than the Brits in 1776. 

The left is quite deliberately destroying our energy and economy in ways the British couldn't have dreamed of two centuries ago.  The British weren’t trying to erase basic human biology.  The oppressive government we have now is far larger, more insidious, more intrusive, than the Founding Fathers’ worst nightmare.  Yet they risked everything back then.  Trump is doing that today for stakes as high or higher. 

We will see what happens in the next year and a half but the chances of a DeSantis or anyone else demonstrating to me more heart, determination, and kept promises than Trump is very low. 
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 16, 2022, 07:02:24 AM
There has never been a President in my lifetime that walked into the White House and set about doing exactly what he promised to do.

The fact that the mushy rino republicans and scumbag democrats fought him at every turn is not his fault, no matter how a certain rino pussies
on here keep claiming.

If you want to know the best person to replace the senile imposter, it's easy. Just look at who the communist democrats and lapdog media
HATE the most.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 16, 2022, 07:03:03 AM
Will it be possible for Trump to not talk about the 2020 election?
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 07:31:20 AM
Will it be possible for Trump to not talk about the 2020 election?

It’s the elephant in the room.  He should talk about it but not harp on it.  Only in the context of acknowledging we have a problem with election integrity and suggesting fixing it which was exactly what he did last night.  He didn’t say “Whah whah I was cheated in 2020.”  He simply drew a comparison between our elections and all other countries’ elections, who manage to get their vote count done in one day.  He hit the perfect note in my opinion.  But I’m sure the media is screeching that his speech was full of election denying and conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 16, 2022, 07:34:20 AM
I, too, thought immediately of his family and the sacrifice he is making for his country.

He is leading by example. We must prepare and fight as well, and not keep silent with liberal family and friends but speak, write, act … always remembering that the truth is being hidden from them. They’re not seeing the ballot suitcases, poll worker testimonies, clear violations of election law, sinister new election laws, and on and on. They’re not seeing clips of Biden rambling and wandering. Most importantly they are not seeing the real President Trump but rather a caricature wholly painted by the media.

The stealing of elections is the galvanizing, direct attack on Americans, similar to Pearl Harbor, that should wake people up. He has to talk about it. It’s an existential threat.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 07:39:41 AM
Worth listening to as always.  He is right about what to expect from the traitorous Republicans.  He vows not to back a Republican nominee other than Trump IF there were shenanigans in the primaries.  If no shenanigans and DeSantis wins fair and square, fine.  While Styx implies he’d vote for the Dem if DeSantis gets in by cheating, I don’t think I’d go that far but I might possibly consider sitting it out.  My loyalty to the GOP is completely dead at this point. 

https://rumble.com/v1ut8a2-trump-2024.html
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2022, 07:40:42 AM
With Trump announcing, the democrat communist and the Biden Regime now have a problem.   They have an announced candidate for office with a bully pulpit bringing constant attention to all of the buffoonery going on inside the beltway.

And by losing their beloved Twitter it's now even harder to control the narrative.   Have no fear, the MSM and Google/Meta, etc will do their part to censor, but it's getting more difficult.

The electioneering is underway in the battleground states.  This is by far the biggest obstacle to overcome, and unfortunately the UniParty will keep it in place.   At this juncture, the only plausible way to defeat this is to play their game back at them. 
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 07:44:03 AM
With Trump announcing, the democrat communist and the Biden Regime now have a problem.   They have an announced candidate for office with a bully pulpit bringing constant attention to all of the buffoonery going on inside the beltway.

And by losing their beloved Twitter it's now even harder to control the narrative.   Have no fear, the MSM and Google/Meta, etc will do their part to censor, but it's getting more difficult.

The electioneering is underway in the battleground states.  This is by far the biggest obstacle to overcome, and unfortunately the UniParty will keep it in place.   At this juncture, the only plausible way to defeat this is to play their game back at them.

We really needed Kari Lake in AZ.  This is going to be a very hard fight.  Trump can get 90% of the popular vote and they’ll maneuver the electoral votes in just enough key states to make him lose.  Just like last time.  Biden won’t even campaign, just like last time.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 16, 2022, 07:54:54 AM
Will it be possible for Trump to not talk about the 2020 election?

The SINGLE most treasonous event in American history happened on election night 2020 and you want to sweep it under the rug?

I'm sure the fucking communist democrats will love that idea.

Prisons should be full of people awaiting execution for treason and other prisons full of people doing 20 years to life for their part in the steal, but I'm sure
there are lots of criminal democrats that would be thrilled to just forget about it.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2022, 08:10:34 AM
We really needed Kari Lake in AZ.  This is going to be a very hard fight.  Trump can get 90% of the popular vote and they’ll maneuver the electoral votes in just enough key states to make him lose.  Just like last time.  Biden won’t even campaign, just like last time.

  This is why they have worked so hard to keep Lake from getting elected.

  The republicans have to get smart (ha!).   The ONLY way for a republican WH win in 2024 and beyond is to get in the game, and play it better.

  CA is an example.  CA is atrocious when it comes to elections.  So in the red areas the republicans took the democrat play book and played it better, thus resulting in several wins.

  It can be done, but it takes unity and determination.  As long as we have fucking scum like the Turtle, and low lives such as McCarthy and McDaniel undermining everything, don't expect results.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 16, 2022, 08:24:17 AM
I mean, every word he said packed a punch.  He did right, starting off with the economy, talked a lot about how great things were during his term, contrasted to how horrible it is under Biden, all pure unadulterated TRUTH.  Talked bout foreign relations, the border, did NOT harp much on 2020, but did mention election integrity and he talked about implementing paper ballots in person voting only, which in my opinion was a mistake.  He is right of course but first, how is he going to accomplish that at the federal level?  He can’t.  I’m assuming he means he will encourage various states to fix their election laws. Second, just like Kari Lake, it will only make his enemies all the more determined to see to it he loses.

He will propose a constitutional amendment for term limits!   By the way, C Span fucked up the closed captions several times.  He said the amendment will IMPOSE term limits, the CC said OPPOSE term limits. Is that an automatic transcriber or some person deliberately doing it?

He talked about a Mars mission, and ended with making America even greater than before.  He emphasized the word “glory” and “glorious” which I take issue with.  For me that word conjures up a dictator, “Glorious Leader”.  I would have stuck with “Great”.  But he was of course referring to the country, not himself.

He talked about parents!  Schools, critical race theory and teaching gay/trans stuff in schools.  That’s the big issue the Republicans could have used for the run up to midterms but nooooo instead they emphasized abortion somehow thinking most voters want a complete ban on abortion.  I don’t recall Trump saying one word about abortion.  Correct me if I missed it.  All voters except the lunatic far left want to be in charge of their own children and want to know what’s being taught them in school.  And that’s what Trump talked about.

Trump said “I am your voice,” and something like, “I’m not running, we are running.”  This is the powerful core of Trump’s appeal:  he is doing it for we the common, forgotten man, the one being squashed, censored and controlled by the Dems, regular Reps, ruling elite and swamp.  He talked about this is a “movement”.  He is right of course, and in this speech at least, he established himself firmly again as the inspirational heart and soul of the movement.

I like DeSantis but he doesn’t in any way do this.  Listening to DeSantis I see a smart politician saying and doing most of the right things I want, but a politician still, separate from me, somebody doing the right thing but within the confines of the current system.  He’s still one of “them”.  He cares about me, but isn’t willing to die for me.

That’s not hyperbole:  Trump knows full well what’s about to be unleashed against him. If there’s been no assassination attempt yet, there will be.  He has already withstood more attacks from every direction, from the media to the weaponized federal agencies, and everything in between, than any other person would have tolerated.  Not only does he put himself in the line of fire again - this time knowing full well what it will be - he acknowledged that he puts is family there too, and expressed appreciation to them.

We all admire a man who puts his family first, that’s what you’re supposed to do.  Your family is the most precious thing you have.  Some causes are important enough to lay down your life (going to war for example) but some causes are even more important than that.  So important you risk your family too.  The American Revolution was one such cause.  I view this populist movement up there with the American revolution.  In many ways the heavy yoke under which we suffer is far, FAR worse than the Brits in 1776. 

The left is quite deliberately destroying our energy and economy in ways the British couldn't have dreamed of two centuries ago.  The British weren’t trying to erase basic human biology.  The oppressive government we have now is far larger, more insidious, more intrusive, than the Founding Fathers’ worst nightmare.  Yet they risked everything back then.  Trump is doing that today for stakes as high or higher. 

We will see what happens in the next year and a half but the chances of a DeSantis or anyone else demonstrating to me more heart, determination, and kept promises than Trump is very low.
It was certainly a much more serious speech than I expected.

My issue is math. I think his chances of winning the General election in 2024 is much lower than in 2020, and he can only give us 4 years. The electorate has only given the same party two back to back presidencies twice in the past 100 years, so the chances for another Republican to carry on in 2028 is low. I’m retiring in 2025 and I need at least 8 years of a GOP presidency.

I’d rather have a long-lasting LED than a short-lived incandescent.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 16, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
The SINGLE most treasonous event in American history happened on election night 2020 and you want to sweep it under the rug?

I'm sure the fucking communist democrats will love that idea.

Prisons should be full of people awaiting execution for treason and other prisons full of people doing 20 years to life for their part in the steal, but I'm sure
there are lots of criminal democrats that would be thrilled to just forget about it.
So, you would like him to harp on it all the time and assure he will not get elected?  Got it.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 16, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
At this juncture, the only plausible way to defeat this is to play their game back at them.

That’s what I’ve concluded. We need to learn how to play their game. Early voting is here to stay, and Mail in voting is here to stay in those states that made it statutory.  I’m not sure we can put the genie back in the bottle.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 16, 2022, 08:48:37 AM
So, you would like him to harp on it all the time and assure he will not get elected?  Got it.
That’s exactly true. Only the most sycophantic of us want to relive ancient political history. We have to change what has happened going forward, but we have to look forward. Looking back is as fulfilling as Al Bundy reliving by his glory days of HS football.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Little Joe on November 16, 2022, 10:43:02 AM
I like DeSantis but he doesn’t in any way do this.  Listening to DeSantis I see a smart politician saying and doing most of the right things I want, but a politician still,
I"m not sure why you keep labeling DeSantis a "politician".  Of course, technically he is, as is Trump, but DeSantis has only been in politics for 9 years.  The difference between DeSantis and Trump is that DeSantis is good at it.  Nine years is enough to give him a good understanding, but not enough to become entrenched.

IMO, if DeSantis runs, he might possibly win.  If Trump runs, Either Biden or Harris could win.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: elwood blues on November 16, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
I"m not sure why you keep labeling DeSantis a "politician".  Of course, technically he is, as is Trump, but DeSantis has only been in politics for 9 years.  The difference between DeSantis and Trump is that DeSantis is good at it.  Nine years is enough to give him a good understanding, but not enough to become entrenched.

IMO, if DeSantis runs, he might possibly win.  If Trump runs, Either Biden or Harris could win.


Yeah, right.

I like DeSantis, but I wonder what he'll look like after he goes through what Trump already has gone through.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 11:15:33 AM
I"m not sure why you keep labeling DeSantis a "politician".  Of course, technically he is, as is Trump, but DeSantis has only been in politics for 9 years.  The difference between DeSantis and Trump is that DeSantis is good at it.  Nine years is enough to give him a good understanding, but not enough to become entrenched.

IMO, if DeSantis runs, he might possibly win.  If Trump runs, Either Biden or Harris could win.

Disagree with your premise that Trump could lose but DeSantis could win.  Technically true, “could” isn’t “will”, but you are implying that DeSantis has a better chance at winning than Trump.  Not true in my opinion.

I don’t know where to begin with the politician word.  I was using it as kind of a pejorative.  You say the difference between Trump and DeSantis is that DeSantis is better at politics?  That’s not a plus, is what I’m saying.

Here is how Trump put it last night:

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But who would think standing up here 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that a politician, and I don’t like to think of myself as a politician, but I guess that’s what I am. I hate that thought. But that a politician would be up saying, “We will defend parental rights.” Of course, you’re going to defend it. Who would think that we even have to mention this?

Trump is saying that politics and politicians are a filthy dirty business, accepts that he must apply the term to himself, but makes clear he is self aware of the dirtiness.  Thus he presumably has a conscience about it, and will temper himself accordingly.  I see none of that in DeSantis, as of yet, he is just a politician.

That’s what I mean, does that clear it up?

Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2022, 11:18:38 AM

Yeah, right.

I like DeSantis, but I wonder what he'll look like after he goes through what Trump already has gone through.

   Anyone who throws their hat in the ring, and wins the nomination will be dragged through the gutter, a bimbo parade will erupt, they will be under federal investigation and scandals will ensue.   Their family will also be smeared and lied about.

  The MSM/Big Tech/Democrat Communist are not going to back down, and they are not going to be negotiable.   And as the further weaponization of federal agencies continue, it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 16, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
The communist cunts of the left have already started in on Ron DeSantis.
Remember when his wife was diagnosed with cancer?

Fuck them all.

Run for the right reasons and ignore the professionally offended and pussy rinos
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Little Joe on November 16, 2022, 11:53:19 AM
Disagree with your premise that Trump could lose but DeSantis could win.  Technically true, “could” isn’t “will”, but you are implying that DeSantis has a better chance at winning than Trump.  Not true in my opinion.
That's the good thing about opinions.  Everyone can have one.

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I don’t know where to begin with the politician word.  I was using it as kind of a pejorative.  You say the difference between Trump and DeSantis is that DeSantis is better at politics?  That’s not a plus, is what I’m saying.
What I meant is that DeSantis is better at dealing with other politicians than Trump is, not that he is more of a politician than Trump.  They are both technically politicians, and in order to get ANYthing done, they have to play the politics.  Trump does not do that well.

Here is how Trump put it last night:

Trump is saying that politics and politicians are a filthy dirty business, accepts that he must apply the term to himself, but makes clear he is self aware of the dirtiness.  Thus he presumably has a conscience about it, and will temper himself accordingly.  I see none of that in DeSantis, as of yet, he is just a politician.[/quote]
Again with the pejorative?  DeSantis says what he means and he backs it up with what he does, just like Trump does.  He just doesn't stoop to childish name calling.

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That’s what I mean, does that clear it up?
Sort of.  But I still disagree with your opinion of DeSantis.

Personally, I'd love to see Trump win again.  I just do not believe it is possible and if he gets the nomination, I think that even Kamala could beat him.  And that would be catastrophic.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 16, 2022, 12:54:46 PM
I would like to see him always talk about his accomplishments and his plans moving forward and not attack anyone.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
They are both technically politicians, and in order to get ANYthing done, they have to play the politics.  Trump does not do that well.

But he did do it well.  Look how much he got done while in office both domestically and abroad.

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Again with the pejorative?  DeSantis says what he means and he backs it up with what he does, just like Trump does.  He just doesn't stoop to childish name calling.
Sort of.  But I still disagree with your opinion of DeSantis.

So the only difference is you add in Trump’s name calling?  Are you accounting for the fact that most of that problem is the media hyping it up?

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Personally, I'd love to see Trump win again.  I just do not believe it is possible and if he gets the nomination, I think that even Kamala could beat him.  And that would be catastrophic.

Kamala would beat him if the cheaters have their way.  Do you think they won’t do the same with DeSantis?  DeSantis is MAGA enough for them to fear.  It’s theoretically possible they’d allow a Romney or a Pence to win, because they’re not going to threaten their power.  But I think even then they’ll cheat.  They actually don’t want any Republican to win ever again, they don’t even want a Democrat who will truly threaten the cabal, that’s why they won’t let Bernie Sanders win.  Sanders is a socialist revolutionary.  They don’t want a socialist paradise, they want the fascist totalitarianism they’ve already set in place, and the president to just be their puppet.  If Kamala wins that’s all she’ll be, and they’re just fine with that.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 16, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
That's the good thing about opinions.  Everyone can have one.
What I meant is that DeSantis is better at dealing with other politicians than Trump is, not that he is more of a politician than Trump.  They are both technically politicians, and in order to get ANYthing done, they have to play the politics.  Trump does not do that well.

Here is how Trump put it last night:

Trump is saying that politics and politicians are a filthy dirty business, accepts that he must apply the term to himself, but makes clear he is self aware of the dirtiness.  Thus he presumably has a conscience about it, and will temper himself accordingly.  I see none of that in DeSantis, as of yet, he is just a politician.
Again with the pejorative?  DeSantis says what he means and he backs it up with what he does, just like Trump does.  He just doesn't stoop to childish name calling.
Sort of.  But I still disagree with your opinion of DeSantis.

Personally, I'd love to see Trump win again.  I just do not believe it is possible and if he gets the nomination, I think that even Kamala could beat him.  And that would be catastrophic.
I tend to agree with this.

To Rush:  I think Trump only knows blunt force politics. Granted, that’s been the way of politics since 2000, but Trump does not play well with others to get things done.

People forget, but for almost my entire life, democrats controlled the House of Representatives.

I was born in 1960. From 1955 to 1995, we had a Democrat Speaker of the House. 40 straight years.

Eisenhower’s first two years had a GOP house.  From that point on, neither Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Regan, or GHW Bush EVER had a Republican house.

So what did people have to do to get their agenda done?  Politics. It’s an unfortunate necessity, but it is necessary to gain broad support for your agenda.

In that regard, we’ve seen what DeSantis has done in Florida. He has broadened his voting base, and accomplished a great deal legislatively. That impresses me, and I think he can convey that to the national level, even if it means doing politics.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 05:18:24 AM
I tend to agree with this.

To Rush:  I think Trump only knows blunt force politics. Granted, that’s been the way of politics since 2000, but Trump does not play well with others to get things done.

People forget, but for almost my entire life, democrats controlled the House of Representatives.

I was born in 1960. From 1955 to 1995, we had a Democrat Speaker of the House. 40 straight years.

Eisenhower’s first two years had a GOP house.  From that point on, neither Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Regan, or GHW Bush EVER had a Republican house.

So what did people have to do to get their agenda done?  Politics. It’s an unfortunate necessity, but it is necessary to gain broad support for your agenda.

In that regard, we’ve seen what DeSantis has done in Florida. He has broadened his voting base, and accomplished a great deal legislatively. That impresses me, and I think he can convey that to the national level, even if it means doing politics.

But we no longer want someone to cooperate with the uniparty to get an agenda done.  The MAGA agenda is to restore power and prosperity to the forgotten man.  The federal government in the form of both parties is now aligned against the common man.  Trump’s agenda is to drain the swamp.  You want him to go to DC and play well with others.  Pretend to be opposed in public, but in private go to parties and dinners together, attend each others weddings, enjoy the DC social life, and agree that regardless of how split they are on details, the unspoken prime directive is to keep themselves in power.

You want Trump to join them?  Or break up the monolithic Goliath that hates ordinary people like you and me?  Trump got plenty done in his first term without joining the clique and playing nice.  Things that helped you and me. 

DeSantis has not yet proved to me that he won’t be seduced by the DC uniparty like most other politicians.  I’ve been burned by people like Crenshaw.  It’s hard to trust anyone.  Other than if he is compromised by an age related deficit, I trust Trump.  It’s as simple as that.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 06:44:37 AM
But we no longer want someone to cooperate with the uniparty to get an agenda done.  The MAGA agenda is to restore power and prosperity to the forgotten man.  The federal government in the form of both parties is now aligned against the common man.  Trump’s agenda is to drain the swamp.  You want him to go to DC and play well with others.  Pretend to be opposed in public, but in private go to parties and dinners together, attend each others weddings, enjoy the DC social life, and agree that regardless of how split they are on details, the unspoken prime directive is to keep themselves in power.

You want Trump to join them?  Or break up the monolithic Goliath that hates ordinary people like you and me?  Trump got plenty done in his first term without joining the clique and playing nice.  Things that helped you and me. 

DeSantis has not yet proved to me that he won’t be seduced by the DC uniparty like most other politicians.  I’ve been burned by people like Crenshaw.  It’s hard to trust anyone.  Other than if he is compromised by an age related deficit, I trust Trump.  It’s as simple as that.

The truth is the never trump pussies LOVE the uniparty. They ADORE having a President that cooperates with the swamp and avoids mean tweets.

Their devotion to more of the same guarantees the fucking communist democrats will continue to abuse the constitution, use organs of government to suppress freedom and use tax dollars to keep themselves in power.

Anything they say to the contrary is put to a lie by their devotion to fighting against meaningful change that improves the life of citizens as opposed to politicians.

And they get their feelings hurt when any of this is pointed out.
Title: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 08:24:07 AM
But we no longer want someone to cooperate with the uniparty to get an agenda done.  The MAGA agenda is to restore power and prosperity to the forgotten man.  The federal government in the form of both parties is now aligned against the common man.  Trump’s agenda is to drain the swamp.  You want him to go to DC and play well with others.  Pretend to be opposed in public, but in private go to parties and dinners together, attend each others weddings, enjoy the DC social life, and agree that regardless of how split they are on details, the unspoken prime directive is to keep themselves in power.

You want Trump to join them?  Or break up the monolithic Goliath that hates ordinary people like you and me?  Trump got plenty done in his first term without joining the clique and playing nice.  Things that helped you and me. 

DeSantis has not yet proved to me that he won’t be seduced by the DC uniparty like most other politicians.  I’ve been burned by people like Crenshaw.  It’s hard to trust anyone.  Other than if he is compromised by an age related deficit, I trust Trump.  It’s as simple as that.
I’m a CPA and so I’m a numbers guy. In the first post-2020 election, independents broke for team D, and even more so in battleground states. This is different than 2016 and 2020. I don’t know why that is, but once again the independents swayed an election.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3727958-independents-broke-for-democrats-by-4-points-in-midterms-ap-survey/

I’m all for brute force politics - if you have the numbers. Trump couldn’t even pull it off when he had both the House and the Senate for his first two years. How can he pull it off with a split Congress or worse, a D Congress? 

Do you consider Ronald Reagan a UNiParty guy?  He got shit done, like the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was the first rewrite of the tax code since 1954, with Tip O’Neal as Speaker.

Edit:  I agree with you on Crenshaw. Fortunately he showed himself for what he is before running for anything big.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Username on November 17, 2022, 08:56:10 AM
I think that back in the 1980s the uniparty wasn't quite solidified.  The military industrial complex hadn't infiltrated politics too much, and the Ds and the Rs could actually find common ground.  In the last (oh my God has it been) 40 years the MIC / globalists have become deeply embedded in politics and all parties now revolve around it.  The uniparty is strong and well funded.  And tending toward a world uniparty.  A D or an R may be elected but there really is no difference at any level or in any branch of government.  The fringes get all the attention.  By design so the sheep think that there is some difference between the parties.  But in reality, the bulk of the government exists for the enrichment of the government.  The rest is just bread and circuses.  Trump shook things up because the people are waking up.  That cannot be allowed to stand.  Any dissent is immediately squashed.  Go to sleep, sheep.  We'll take care of all your needs. 
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 09:04:51 AM
I think that back in the 1980s the uniparty wasn't quite solidified.  The military industrial complex hadn't infiltrated politics too much, and the Ds and the Rs could actually find common ground.  In the last (oh my God has it been) 40 years the MIC / globalists have become deeply embedded in politics and all parties now revolve around it.  The uniparty is strong and well funded.  And tending toward a world uniparty.  A D or an R may be elected but there really is no difference at any level or in any branch of government.  The fringes get all the attention.  By design so the sheep think that there is some difference between the parties.  But in reality, the bulk of the government exists for the enrichment of the government.  The rest is just bread and circuses.  Trump shook things up because the people are waking up.  That cannot be allowed to stand.  Any dissent is immediately squashed.  Go to sleep, sheep.  We'll take care of all your needs.

^^^ what he said.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 17, 2022, 09:23:35 AM
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Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: bflynn on November 17, 2022, 11:22:06 AM
I still don't hear how you expect Trump to accomplish anything.  He won't have a Congress that just rolls over to support anything he wants to do.  He'll have to get along with people he has previously berated.  Do expect everyone to forget how they were treated?
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 11:49:18 AM
I still don't hear how you expect Trump to accomplish anything.  He won't have a Congress that just rolls over to support anything he wants to do.  He'll have to get along with people he has previously berated.

It’s so nice that the mushy rinos and leftists are so concerned with the feelings of the corrupt criminals who came after him and his family (including having the criminal fbi rifling thru Melanie’s underwear in search of something, anything, to call a crime) that we should ignore the best possible choice for President because the criminals got their whittle feewings hurted.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 12:21:50 PM
I still don't hear how you expect Trump to accomplish anything.  He won't have a Congress that just rolls over to support anything he wants to do.  He'll have to get along with people he has previously berated.  Do expect everyone to forget how they were treated?

I still don’t see how you don’t get that this is an existential battle.  Time has run out.  We can no longer afford to get along; we need someone that exists outside the box of DC politics.  Trump avoided war by being so crazy Putin thought he might actually bomb Moscow.  We NEED somebody like that.  Unpredictable.  Scary.  Keep them off balance and proceed to erode their power.  We desperately need this.  I do not know that DeSantis is up to the task.  Florida is not the nation, it’s not foreign relations, comprehensive energy policy, all the things Trump did, he can do again.  He’s a known quantity in the context of the presidency, DeSantis isn’t. 
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 12:24:13 PM
I still don’t see how you don’t get that this is an existential battle.  Time has run out.  We can no longer afford to get along; we need someone that exists outside the box of DC politics.  Trump avoided war by being so crazy Putin thought he might actually bomb Moscow.  We NEED somebody like that.  Unpredictable.  Scary.  Keep them off balance and proceed to erode their power.  We desperately need this.  I do not know that DeSantis is up to the task.  Florida is not the nation, it’s not foreign relations, comprehensive energy policy, all the things Trump did, he can do again.  He’s a known quantity in the context of the presidency, DeSantis isn’t.

But he said mean things……
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Username on November 17, 2022, 12:29:33 PM
But he said mean things……
I think the thing that gets the left's panties in a wad is not so much that what he said was mean, but what he said was the truth.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 01:12:06 PM
The truth often hurts and the mushy rino republicans refuse to act as if this is a war for the soul of America.

The pussy moderates are far too busy whining about mean tweets and Trump not getting along with the fucking communist democrats that they make me nauseous every time they try to justify their cowardice.

 
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 08:16:23 PM
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Libertarians to the rescue. True, they’ve never received a single electoral vote, but they serve good pie at their rallies.
Title: Re: Trump announcement
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 17, 2022, 10:22:07 PM
Libertarians to the rescue. True, they’ve never received a single electoral vote, but they serve good pie at their rallies.

Actually they did get an electoral vote the very first time they ran a presidential candidate in 1972. They were only on the ballots of Colorado and Washington. They got 3600 votes. Their one electoral vote was from Virginia. A faithless elector by the name of Roger MacBride cast his vote for the Hospers/Nathan ticket (thereby making VP candidate Toni Nathan the first woman to ever get an electoral vote in a presidential election.) MacBride later became the 1976 candidate for the the new Libertarian party. They had enough support in that election to produce a brochure that said this:

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Who could deny that the politics of contemporary America should fade into the sunset and disappear forever? Most Americans, if we are to believe the public opinion polls, do desire a new dawn—a fresh approach to politics and a reappraisal of the appropriate role of government in a free society. The problem is, the candidates of the Republican and Democratic parties are from the old school of political wheeling and dealing. They sense that the public is ready for a new direction but they don’t know or care what that direction should be ...

If I were elected President I’d retire Henry Kissinger as one of my first orders of business. The United States government has no right running around the world using tax dollars—the money you and I earn—to make ‘deals’ with foreign governments. The U.S. should stop intervening in other peoples’ affairs. I’m particularly concerned that the current Administration’s policy of involvement in the Middle East is going to lead to another Vietnam.

Last statement is prophetic.

Wait - good pie? Never been to a libertarian rally. Didn't realize they served good pie. I feel I'm missing out.