PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2021, 10:12:18 AM
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I was reading an op-ed this morning. In it, the writer whines about the idiot fauci delaying the call the a travel ban.
"As soon as news of the possibly super-contagious variant dubbed omicron..."
good grief. now the boogieman is super-contagious.
"SUPER contagious"
what's next?
oh, btw, what are the R0 values for highly contagious and "super contagious"?
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Super duper contagious is next.
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Omicron R0 is between 3-6. The first round of covid was around 2.5-5.5.
Some others:
Ebola, ~2
Bubonic Plague - 3
HIV, 2-5
Polio, 5-7
Measles, 12-18
it appears super duper is already spoken for
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Super duper contagious is next.
Then comes DOUBLE Secret Probation. ::)
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The virus will evolve. Doesn't care about right or left, just cares about replicating itself. Since it makes lots and lots of copies, those that pass themselves on better replicate more. It will get more infective over time. With luck it will get less virulent, the virus that doesn't kill its can propagate itself more and potentially reinfect. I've heard whispers that such is the case for the newest variant, but we're in early days. Still, the virus will evolve. It is nowhere near done with humanity. Vaccines haven't made sufficient inroads here, and it's far worse in most other lands.
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The virus will evolve. Doesn't care about right or left, just cares about replicating itself. Since it makes lots and lots of copies, those that pass themselves on better replicate more. It will get more infective over time. With luck it will get less virulent, the virus that doesn't kill its can propagate itself more and potentially reinfect. I've heard whispers that such is the case for the newest variant, but we're in early days. Still, the virus will evolve. It is nowhere near done with humanity. Vaccines haven't made sufficient inroads here, and it's far worse in most other lands.
You are correct, it is evolving fast to be ubiquitous. Fortunately early reports are that this latest variant is pretty mild, so hopefully it will indeed continue to evolve to be less virulent. At this point we should accept that it is with us permanently and stop pretending we are going to eradicate it with vaccines, social distancing, and economic suicide.
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You are correct, it is evolving fast to be ubiquitous. Fortunately early reports are that this latest variant is pretty mild, so hopefully it will indeed continue to evolve to be less virulent. At this point we should accept that it is with us permanently and stop pretending we are going to eradicate it with vaccines, social distancing, and economic suicide.
Exactly!
Covid will become an annual event like the flu. TREAT it rather than all this draconian bullshit and let people get on with their lives.
Let the pharmaceuticals develop their own vaccines and let the market decide free of government mandates and manipulation, just like the flu vaccine.
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The virus will evolve. Doesn't care about right or left, just cares about replicating itself. Since it makes lots and lots of copies, those that pass themselves on better replicate more. It will get more infective over time. With luck it will get less virulent, the virus that doesn't kill its can propagate itself more and potentially reinfect. I've heard whispers that such is the case for the newest variant, but we're in early days. Still, the virus will evolve. It is nowhere near done with humanity. Vaccines haven't made sufficient inroads here, and it's far worse in most other lands.
Paradoxically though, viruses that evolve to be super deadly tend to die off because they kill their host before they can effectively spread. Over time, viruses tend to become less dangerous, the term is "antigenic drift".
Not usually recognized, but the spanish flu outbreak never really ended. After several years, the virus has migrated to something far less deadly and it became a "meh". A variant of the strain still comes back around every decade or two.
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You are correct, it is evolving fast to be ubiquitous. Fortunately early reports are that this latest variant is pretty mild, so hopefully it will indeed continue to evolve to be less virulent. At this point we should accept that it is with us permanently and stop pretending we are going to eradicate it with vaccines, social distancing, and economic suicide.
Protecting people is more important than protecting property. While the latest strain may be (and I emphasize may be) the extant strains are sufficient to give you a long vacation in the hospital or a permanent one underground. It isn't a virus to be trifled with. Perhaps we'll be in a situation where we can safely ignore it in the future, but we aren't there now by a long shot.
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a virus sooooo deadly that half the people who have it don't even know they have it.
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a virus sooooo deadly that half the people who have it don't even know they have it.
I wonder what would be the reaction if they tested everyone for herpes. Of course, herpes isn't deadly, except to your sex life, but there are an awful lot of people that don't know they have it.
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I wonder what would be the reaction if they tested everyone for herpes. Of course, herpes isn't deadly, except to your sex life, but there are an awful lot of people that don't know they have it.
There is so little connecting your post to anything remotely connected to the communist party using the scam to wreck the US economy with the gleeful help of their bitch biden
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Protecting people is more important than protecting property.
That isn't the choice. It's the difference between offering people some small protection and destroying the economy. It will take at least a decade for places like NY and Boston to recover, if they ever do.
At some point we have to ask if it's worth the 0.02% risk to those vaccinated. I suspect we're going to have more death and suffering from the health issues from lockdown, never mind the bankrupt businesses, lost jobs, lost wages and lost hope.
The unvaccinated? They've made their choice, we should respect it. Quit coddling them.
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Protecting people is more important than protecting property.
You really don’t understand the connection between property, the economy, people’s livelihoods, and life itself, do you?
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There is so little connecting your post to anything remotely connected to the communist party using the scam to wreck the US economy with the gleeful help of their bitch biden
Short attention span huh? I even quoted the post I was connecting to.
Or are you saying that every post must directly correlate to the OP?
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Short attention span huh? I even quoted the post I was connecting to.
Or are you saying that every post must directly correlate to the OP?
Herpes has as much to do with COVID as cocaine has to midol.
One would think Mikey was posting for you.
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Herpes has as much to do with COVID as cocaine has to midol.
One would think Mikey was posting for you.
They are both viruses. You can have either one and not know it.
What's the use explaining something to someone that is to dense to understand. If this keeps up, mother Rush is going to have to come in and slap us down.
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They are both viruses. You can have either one and not know it.
What's the use explaining something to someone that is to dense to understand. If this keeps up, mother Rush is going to have to come in and slap us down.
Nah. I might ask why you’re arguing, but I don’t recall asking you to stop arguing.
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Nah. I might ask why you’re arguing, but I don’t recall asking you to stop arguing.
I was arguing because I sort of like getting down in the mud with a pig.
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Anyone notice how Fauci now controls the markets. He comes out and tells everyone Omicron is going to kill us, gets Xiden to do a travel ban and the market nose dives. Then he comes out and says, not so fast it isn't that bad and the markets head back up.
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Protecting people is more important than protecting property. While the latest strain may be (and I emphasize may be) the extant strains are sufficient to give you a long vacation in the hospital or a permanent one underground. It isn't a virus to be trifled with. Perhaps we'll be in a situation where we can safely ignore it in the future, but we aren't there now by a long shot.
If you think protecting livelihoods is protecting property, you really are a cloistered academic.
No job may mean no tuition for kids, no food, no housing , no healthcare. Have some compassion.
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a virus sooooo deadly that half the people who have it don't even know they have it.
I saw an earlier stat that as much as 80% of "positives" had no symptoms or totally non-specific ones that that they wrote off as a "bug".
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Anyone notice how Fauci now controls the markets. He comes out and tells everyone Omicron is going to kill us, gets Xiden to do a travel ban and the market nose dives. Then he comes out and says, not so fast it isn't that bad and the markets head back up.
I'm hip. Time to make some money.
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If you think protecting livelihoods is protecting property, you really are a cloistered academic.
No job may mean no tuition for kids, no food, no housing , no healthcare. Have some compassion.
mikey is a progressive. By that I mean he is categorically incapable of understanding unintended consequences of his idiotic liberal bullshit,
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I saw an earlier stat that as much as 80% of "positives" had no symptoms or totally non-specific ones that that they wrote off as a "bug".
THIS is why we need to stop testing. If 80% of these “cases” were not counted, think of what would happen. No need for vaccines, shutdowns, masks, panic porn….
And no power for the elite and no profit for the pharmas. Not to mention the makers of the tests themselves.
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THIS is why we need to stop testing. If 80% of these “cases” were not counted, think of what would happen. No need for vaccines, shutdowns, masks, panic porn….
And no power for the elite and no profit for the pharmas. Not to mention the makers of the tests themselves.
BHO recognized this during his administration with swineflu (?) and stopped the testing. It magically disappeared.
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THIS is why we need to stop testing. If 80% of these “cases” were not counted, think of what would happen. No need for vaccines, shutdowns, masks, panic porn….
And no power for the elite and no profit for the pharmas. Not to mention the makers of the tests themselves.
Let me just throw this out there (and ignore the diff between "died from" and "died with", or other misdiagnoses,
We currently report about 50 million cases in the us with about 800 thousand deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
So there is a case mortality rate of 1.6% Bad, but not too bad.
If 80% are asymptomatic and we stopped testing asymptomatic people, then there would only be 10M cases but we would still have 800K deaths,
or 8% case fatality rate. That would be pretty scary.
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Let me just throw this out there (and ignore the diff between "died from" and "died with", or other misdiagnoses,
We currently report about 50 million cases in the us with about 800 thousand deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
So there is a case mortality rate of 1.6% Bad, but not too bad.
If 80% are asymptomatic and we stopped testing asymptomatic people, then there would only be 10M cases but we would still have 800K deaths,
or 8% case fatality rate. That would be pretty scary.
There's not 800,000 deaths. You can't adjust one number without adjusting the rest.
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There's not 800,000 deaths. You can't adjust one number without adjusting the rest.
You and number 7 just have to argue with me don't you?
I got it from right here on this board that 80% of the cases were diagnosed by testing asymptomatic people rather than just those with symptoms. So I didn't adjust anything.
The 80% is given as a fact right here.
I didn't change the 50 million. I just subtracted the 80% that were asymptomatic and you guys say shouldn't be counted, so I didn't.
I didn't change the 800k because, well just because. They are dead and that didn't change. (You are welcome to argue about the cause of death).
I don't mind it when I'm wrong and get called on it.
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BHO recognized this during his administration with swineflu (?) and stopped the testing. It magically disappeared.
The question is "why"? This was a truly dangerous disease that affected every population group , he had the full majority in Congress and could have done anything they wanted.
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Anyone else notice that the Case and Deathometers disappeared from the home pages of the online news outlets, Fox included, after Biden was installed?
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Anyone else notice that the Case and Deathometers disappeared from the home pages of the online news outlets, Fox included, after Biden was installed?
Newsmax still has their death meter in place.
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You and number 7 just have to argue with me don't you?
This is a "discussion board". It's too bad you get triggered every time someone wants to challenge or oppose what you have written.
I didn't change the 800k because, well just because. They are dead and that didn't change. (You are welcome to argue about the cause of death).
I don't mind it when I'm wrong and get called on it.
Your math is nonsensical. We cannot determine what the actual death count is for those who did specifically of covid. Those numbers have been diluted and manipulated. The CDC at one point admitted the actual number of those dying of covid was only 6 percent of the reported number.
During the Trump administration they (government, pharmaceuticals and MSM) needed inflated numbers to drive the fear. They did that with many nefarious methods that have been discussed here. And it was done to such a degree that now the actual numbers may never be known.
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This is a "discussion board". It's too bad you get triggered every time someone wants to challenge or oppose what you have written.
Your math is nonsensical. We cannot determine what the actual death count is for those who did specifically of covid. Those numbers have been diluted and manipulated. The CDC at one point admitted the actual number of those dying of covid was only 6 percent of the reported number.
During the Trump administration they (government, pharmaceuticals and MSM) needed inflated numbers to drive the fear. They did that with many nefarious methods that have been discussed here. And it was done to such a degree that now the actual numbers may never be known.
My theory where michael weinstein and little joe's hard and fast devotion to whatever the lame stream reports on COVID is that Joe is like the people Rush Limbeau described as ones who just "love to be afraid." The rush that some people get pretending that things are dangerous, or terrifying, or terrible, overwhelms common sense and logical reason. mikey just repeats whatever nonsense he is told to repeat and then pretends it's all his idea until he gets called out for stealing other people's words.
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THIS is why we need to stop testing. If 80% of these “cases” were not counted, think of what would happen. No need for vaccines, shutdowns, masks, panic porn….
And no power for the elite and no profit for the pharmas. Not to mention the makers of the tests themselves.
I had an annual physical exam yesterday with my doc. She’s ALL IN on the vax, masking, etc. but when I asked her if I should take a covid test because my daughter had it and I saw her on Thanksgiving (11 days earlier), she said no, she wouldn’t bother. I was surprised by that.
She never pressured me to take the booster. But I did get a flu shot, tetanus booster, and a shingles vaccine. Tough to lift my shoulders this morning!
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I had an annual physical exam yesterday with my doc. She’s ALL IN on the vax, masking, etc. but when I asked her if I should take a covid test because my daughter had it and I saw her on Thanksgiving (11 days earlier), she said no, she wouldn’t bother. I was surprised by that.
She never pressured me to take the booster. But I did get a flu shot, tetanus booster, and a shingles vaccine. Tough to lift my shoulders this morning!
A friend of mine is a local veterinarian. She's still wearing the mask EVERYWHERE. Probably to bed. She won't let anyone touch her or even really close. She's freaking obsessed. WTF?