Post by: Mase on April 08, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Post by: Kristin on April 08, 2016, 08:34:12 PM
Post by: Mase on April 08, 2016, 08:51:15 PM
The problem is that "most" people apparently do not understand the dire threats we are facing to our freedom, and our very existence.
The next President is going to face unprecedented challenges - military, diplomatic, economic, existential. Our very survival could depend upon it.
Hillary is in no way shape or form up to this monumental task. She apparently can't be honest even with herself. She has no conception of security of state secrets. She has no honor. She feels no duty. She dishonors her country.
Post by: Kristin on April 08, 2016, 09:19:16 PM
Trump is unqualified on temperament, experience, and knowledge. Cruz is unqualified on temperament, experience, and ideology.
Post by: Mase on April 08, 2016, 09:28:30 PM
Freedom is threatened both externally and internally.
That is absolutely correct, and a continuation of the reckless Obama policies regarding immigration, overregulation, military degradation, retreat and defeat, attack on capitalism, attack on police and law and order, release of violent convicts, divide-and-conquer and setting Americans against each other, will only continue under Hillary, and voting for a write-in or not voting, only assures her winning.
Post by: JeffDG on April 08, 2016, 09:42:36 PM
Freedom is threatened both externally and internally. I am not defending Hillary, but Cruz and Trump are beyond the pale. I only have to figure out who I am going to write in. But I will have less heartburn when Hillary is inaugurated than I would with Cruz or Trump with their hand on the bible.Welcome to the Draft Mattis movement!
Trump is unqualified on temperament, experience, and knowledge. Cruz is unqualified on temperament, experience, and ideology.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 08, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
Freedom is threatened both externally and internally. I am not defending Hillary, but Cruz and Trump are beyond the pale. I only have to figure out who I am going to write in. But I will have less heartburn when Hillary is inaugurated than I would with Cruz or Trump with their hand on the bible.
Trump is unqualified on temperament, experience, and knowledge. Cruz is unqualified on temperament, experience, and ideology.
hillary is unqualified by any rational criteria
Post by: nddons on April 09, 2016, 03:03:25 AM
Freedom is threatened both externally and internally. I am not defending Hillary, but Cruz and Trump are beyond the pale. I only have to figure out who I am going to write in. But I will have less heartburn when Hillary is inaugurated than I would with Cruz or Trump with their hand on the bible.So what about Hillary's ideology? That's acceptable to you?
Trump is unqualified on temperament, experience, and knowledge. Cruz is unqualified on temperament, experience, and ideology.
Post by: Anthony on April 09, 2016, 03:41:56 AM
Freedom is threatened both externally and internally. I am not defending Hillary, but Cruz and Trump are beyond the pale. I only have to figure out who I am going to write in. But I will have less heartburn when Hillary is inaugurated than I would with Cruz or Trump with their hand on the bible.
Trump is unqualified on temperament, experience, and knowledge. Cruz is unqualified on temperament, experience, and ideology.
Militantly Moderate = Flaming Liberal Progressive
Guess, you don't care about our Constitutional rights, well rights guaranteed by the Constitution, because Hillary is going to pack the courts with far left, radical activist judges.
Not surprised, many women are.
Post by: FastEddieB on April 09, 2016, 05:31:36 AM
Not surprised, many women are.
As are many men.
See how weasel words work?
Post by: Anthony on April 09, 2016, 05:47:11 AM
As are many men.
See how weasel words work?
Yes, I realize liberal/progressives are weasels. See how that works?
Post by: asechrest on April 09, 2016, 06:52:58 AM
Yes, I realize liberal/progressives are weasels. See how that works?
I also realize conservatwits/republicants are the literal spawns of Satan. See how reality works? ;D
Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2016, 06:54:35 AM
I also realize conservatwits/republicants are the literal spawns of Satan. See how reality works? ;D
Pardon?
Post by: asechrest on April 09, 2016, 06:57:42 AM
Pardon?
You have many spawn!
Post by: Little Joe on April 09, 2016, 06:57:47 AM
Pardon?What have you been up to Lucifer? And with whom?
;)
Post by: Anthony on April 09, 2016, 07:02:57 AM
Post by: nddons on April 09, 2016, 07:05:46 AM
Conservatives just want the Constitution to matter as written. Not "interpreted" to mean things it doesn't. Liberal/Progressives want to social engineer, take from the productive, and destroy their will to produce due to over taxation and over regulation.RACIST!!!!!!
Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2016, 07:06:27 AM
You have many spawn!
Hey hey hey.........don't lay that one on me!
Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2016, 07:07:28 AM
What have you been up to Lucifer? And with whom?
;)
There are some things even I won't do.......... :o
Post by: asechrest on April 09, 2016, 08:10:31 AM
Conservatives just want the Constitution to matter as written. Not "interpreted" to mean things it doesn't. Liberal/Progressives want to social engineer, take from the productive, and destroy their will to produce due to over taxation and over regulation.
Also, we club baby seals.
Post by: Kristin on April 09, 2016, 12:17:11 PM
My point remains that Hillary is not good, but better than who the idiot GOP are going to put up. But don't worry, I half expect that the fruit of right-wing, misogynistic attacks on Hillary for the last few decades may well result in President Sanders. It is not going to result in President Cruz or President Trump. Both of whom would make Obama look like a consummate statesman.
Most of you don't seem to understand the electoral college and how it works. I am not going to bother explaining it to you, but you can Google it, if you can. For those that don't know anything about California, other than that is where you lettuce comes from, let me clue you in. California will vote for the Democrat nominee and he/she will get ALL of the states electoral votes. It matters not who I vote for. So my none-of-the-above vote is for me and my conscience.
I won't know whether to laugh or cry with Bernie/Hillary packs the court with leftists after the GOP manages to lose control of the Senate as well. The stupid stands they have taken to refuse to compromise, when a democracy only works with compromise, are going to drive the party out of power. The GOP self-crucifixion on the cross of ideological purity, which is apply on display here, will and is allowing the Dems to move hard to the left and still win the national elections.
As for you supplicants to the alter of the Constitution-as-written, don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that none of you have studied constitutional law. The Constitution has been morphing for 230+ years. Right or wrong, that ship has sailed. Get over it. Like Scalia, you are using that as a justification for your preconceived policy choices which is as much judicial activism as that which drove Roe v. Wade.
Post by: Mase on April 09, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
Deal-maker Trump would no doubt compromise if it gets him some of what he wants as President. Cruz, maybe not so much. He seems to stand much more on principle. But to be effective he would certainly bend a little at the margins. That is what politicians do. Even Reagan did, as he smiled and shook hands with Tip. As did both Bushes, as well as Bill Clinton, who eventually came around and signed off on welfare reform, and saw the first balanced budget in years, with the help of Newt.
Either of them would be orders of magnitude better than Hillary, or Bernie.
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2016, 02:36:12 AM
Kristin, when I hear the word "misogynist" it just tells me the left wing media has brainwashed a person. Men, and women are different. Get over it.
Post by: Number7 on April 10, 2016, 04:27:07 AM
Predictable down to the last smidgen of blindness.
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2016, 04:45:51 AM
Also, we club baby seals.
And you want dirty air and dirty water.
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 10, 2016, 04:55:43 AM
I am not going to comment to each bit of brain-dead vitriol made by people that cannot read and comprehend.
My point remains that Hillary is not good, but better than who the idiot GOP are going to put up. But don't worry, I half expect that the fruit of right-wing, misogynistic attacks on Hillary for the last few decades may well result in President Sanders. It is not going to result in President Cruz or President Trump. Both of whom would make Obama look like a consummate statesman.
Most of you don't seem to understand the electoral college and how it works. I am not going to bother explaining it to you, but you can Google it, if you can. For those that don't know anything about California, other than that is where you lettuce comes from, let me clue you in. California will vote for the Democrat nominee and he/she will get ALL of the states electoral votes. It matters not who I vote for. So my none-of-the-above vote is for me and my conscience.
I won't know whether to laugh or cry with Bernie/Hillary packs the court with leftists after the GOP manages to lose control of the Senate as well. The stupid stands they have taken to refuse to compromise, when a democracy only works with compromise, are going to drive the party out of power. The GOP self-crucifixion on the cross of ideological purity, which is apply on display here, will and is allowing the Dems to move hard to the left and still win the national elections.
As for you supplicants to the alter of the Constitution-as-written, don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that none of you have studied constitutional law. The Constitution has been morphing for 230+ years. Right or wrong, that ship has sailed. Get over it. Like Scalia, you are using that as a justification for your preconceived policy choices which is as much judicial activism as that which drove Roe v. Wade.
What a load of sanctimonious, self-righteous, smarter-than-thou horse shit. The bit about mysoginism and the bigoted crucifix reference were particularly idiotic. Here's your sign.... Next?
Post by: asechrest on April 10, 2016, 04:59:00 AM
And you want dirty air and dirty water.
Yes. And hopefully, manatees will go extinct.
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2016, 05:04:16 AM
Yes. And hopefully, manatees will go extinct.I hope so too The damn things keep screwing up my propeller blade.
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2016, 05:56:25 AM
Yes. And hopefully, manatees will go extinct.
I don't really care as long as humans don't go extinct.
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2016, 06:42:29 AM
I don't really care as long as humans don't go extinct.I don't want humans to go extinct either.
But thinning the human herd by two or three billion (or more) might not be such a bad thing.
Post by: asechrest on April 10, 2016, 06:54:44 AM
I don't really care as long as humans don't go extinct.
Support Elon Musk and other Mars colonization goals. (Seriously.)
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2016, 07:01:39 AM
Support Elon Musk and other Mars colonization goals. (Seriously.)That is just spreading the disease.
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 10, 2016, 08:34:37 AM
I don't believe Hillary Clinton for one whit, but I don't think Jordan in that video had a slam dunk. I do have a problem with her emailing her family Security Intel.
Post by: nddons on April 10, 2016, 08:38:27 AM
I am not going to comment to each bit of brain-dead vitriol made by people that cannot read and comprehend.Wow. Caustic and belittling. You'll fit right in with the Hillary administration. Oops. Is that misogynistic?
My point remains that Hillary is not good, but better than who the idiot GOP are going to put up. But don't worry, I half expect that the fruit of right-wing, misogynistic attacks on Hillary for the last few decades may well result in President Sanders. It is not going to result in President Cruz or President Trump. Both of whom would make Obama look like a consummate statesman.
Most of you don't seem to understand the electoral college and how it works. I am not going to bother explaining it to you, but you can Google it, if you can. For those that don't know anything about California, other than that is where you lettuce comes from, let me clue you in. California will vote for the Democrat nominee and he/she will get ALL of the states electoral votes. It matters not who I vote for. So my none-of-the-above vote is for me and my conscience.
I won't know whether to laugh or cry with Bernie/Hillary packs the court with leftists after the GOP manages to lose control of the Senate as well. The stupid stands they have taken to refuse to compromise, when a democracy only works with compromise, are going to drive the party out of power. The GOP self-crucifixion on the cross of ideological purity, which is apply on display here, will and is allowing the Dems to move hard to the left and still win the national elections.
As for you supplicants to the alter of the Constitution-as-written, don't know what you are talking about. I am sure that none of you have studied constitutional law. The Constitution has been morphing for 230+ years. Right or wrong, that ship has sailed. Get over it. Like Scalia, you are using that as a justification for your preconceived policy choices which is as much judicial activism as that which drove Roe v. Wade.
And you'd be wrong about C-law, though you do fit the bill for being full of yourself.
Post by: nddons on April 10, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
Yes. And hopefully, manatees will go extinct.Manatees are proof that swimming and eating salad every day don't help you lose weight. Now where's my pizza?
Post by: Kristin on April 10, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
The GOP has done NOTHING BUT compromise with Obama, largely to avoid being accused of "shutting down the government" and this is in fact the reason for all the dissension at the grass roots level. Trump and Cruz are of their own making.
Tell that to Boehner. The record of Congress passing compromise legislation is extremely poor over the last 4-5 years.
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Deal-maker Trump would no doubt compromise if it gets him some of what he wants as President. Cruz, maybe not so much. He seems to stand much more on principle. But to be effective he would certainly bend a little at the margins. That is what politicians do. Even Reagan did, as he smiled and shook hands with Tip. As did both Bushes, as well as Bill Clinton, who eventually came around and signed off on welfare reform, and saw the first balanced budget in years, with the help of Newt.
Cruz would be a disaster as president as he is inflexible and proud of it. Add to that he has no relevant experience, like the incumbent, and on top of that, everyone dislikes him.
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Either of them would be orders of magnitude better than Hillary, or Bernie.
You will find out that the majority of voters disagree with you. An inexperienced, rigid ideologue or a clueless buffoon. Great choices that the GOP has saddled themselves with in the name of ideological purity and just plain orneriness.
Post by: Kristin on April 10, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
When you compromise with far left, radical fascists you get totalitarian oppression. No, I won't compromise my rights away.
Out of 535 Congress-critters, there are not more than 2-3 that fit that definition so are not driving the bus. When the parties don't compromise you have no functioning democracy. Then either the government collapses in a coup or much more likely, the GOP just gets voted out of office and the Dems have nothing to stop them. How do you think your "rights" will be protected then?
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Kristin, when I hear the word "misogynist" it just tells me the left wing media has brainwashed a person. Men, and women are different. Get over it.
Try looking up the word first and get back to me.
Post by: Little Joe on April 10, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I think the point is that the word gets tossed around with little regard to its true meaning. Sort of like "racist"
Try looking up the word first and get back to me.
Post by: Kristin on April 10, 2016, 11:19:52 AM
Kristin is showing her brain dead, 'anybody but who the evil conservatives want,' mentality that brought about such stellar government compromise solutions as obamacare, NDAA, and NAFTA.
Predictable down to the last smidgen of blindness.
Considering your brilliant, ideologically pure conservatism is about to give us a communist or a serial liar as president, you calling me brain dead is truly funny. On top of that, you are likely to lose the Senate so the absolutely idiotic move of refusing to hold hearing on a moderate SCOTUS candidate will end up giving us one or two left wingers who are probably in the 40's so we will be stuck with them for 3-4 decades.
Obamacare was a compromise as the Dems wanted single payer national health care. NAFTA and free trade has been more a GOP supported thing that the Dems. NDAA is meaningless as we have one of those every few years. Which year are you talking about?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 10, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
Tell that to Boehner. The record of Congress passing compromise legislation is extremely poor over the last 4-5 years.
You must have an extremely interesting understanding of "extremely poor"
Post by: FastEddieB on April 10, 2016, 01:11:07 PM
But thinning the human herd by two or three billion (or more) might not be such a bad thing.
Henning, is that you?
Post by: Dweyant on April 11, 2016, 07:52:11 AM
Obamacare was a compromise as the Dems wanted single payer national health care. NAFTA and free trade has been more a GOP supported thing that the Dems. NDAA is meaningless as we have one of those every few years. Which year are you talking about?
Obamacare was a compromise? It was shoved through with more back door deals than I can count, and not supported by a single Republican. If that is your definition of a compromise I am truly frightened.
-Dan
Post by: nddons on April 11, 2016, 08:07:10 AM
Obamacare was a compromise? It was shoved through with more back door deals than I can count, and not supported by a single Republican. If that is your definition of a compromise I am truly frightened.Democrats compromised with themselves, because even the most progressive liberals knew that a complete government takeover of the delivery of healthcare wouldn't fly with the American people. They didn't give two shits about what Republicans wanted.
-Dan
Still, sycophants like Kristin thinks it was a great victory for the magnanimous Democrats to compromise. What a load of crap.
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 11, 2016, 09:31:21 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 11, 2016, 10:45:32 AM
Wasn't Obamacare a warmed over version of something that was previously proposed by the Republicans? Or am I thinking of the Patriot Act?
neither.
You
Post by: Number7 on April 11, 2016, 03:22:02 PM
Considering your brilliant, ideologically pure conservatism is about to give us a communist or a serial liar as president, you calling me brain dead is truly funny. On top of that, you are likely to lose the Senate so the absolutely idiotic move of refusing to hold hearing on a moderate SCOTUS candidate will end up giving us one or two left wingers who are probably in the 40's so we will be stuck with them for 3-4 decades.
Obamacare was a compromise as the Dems wanted single payer national health care. NAFTA and free trade has been more a GOP supported thing that the Dems. NDAA is meaningless as we have one of those every few years. Which year are you talking about?
Just because you are reguritating talking points in an unending stream of vitriol does not make it gospel.
Post by: Gary on April 11, 2016, 04:08:32 PM
Wasn't Obamacare a warmed over version of something that was previously proposed by the Republicans? Or am I thinking of the Patriot Act?
Similar, but not exactly the same. "Romneycare' did have the individual mandate, pretty much free to the poor, employer requirements and set up exchanges.
Bit of history here:
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
The 1989 Heritage Foundation article on improving health care:
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
I'm sure your Google skills can find more.
Gary
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 12, 2016, 04:15:13 AM
Tell that to Boehner. The record of Congress passing compromise legislation is extremely poor over the last 4-5 years.
You must be kidding. Do you even remember Obama's first term? The executive and legislative (and arguably judicial) branches of government shoved countless laws, regulations and executive orders down the throats of the Republicans, and the population of this country. They even went as far as changing the rules of the Senate to do so. They ruled against the will of the majority of the population time and time again, and your wish is that "Team R" engage buy doing what? Bending over and handing the Democrats a tube of Vasoline? Get real and get a clue.
THe electorate spoke loudly in 2010 and again in 2014 by sending more Republicans to the Washington to stop the insanity... Not to compromise! Unfortunately, they continue to fail, but at least they slowed down the stupidity.
Cruz would be a disaster as president as he is inflexible and proud of it. Add to that he has no relevant experience, like the incumbent, and on top of that, everyone dislikes him.
No, everyone doesn't dislike him, but because he pisses off the establishment boneheads I find him very appealing. He is attempting to break-up the frigging stupidity that has moved us to full-on socialism beginning with the New Deal, and accelerating beginning in the 1960s resulting in more than $20T in debt. It's time we do send someone to Washington to stop this insanity before the country fails.
You will find out that the majority of voters disagree with you. An inexperienced, rigid ideologue or a clueless buffoon. Great choices that the GOP has saddled themselves with in the name of ideological purity and just plain orneriness.
On the contrary, I think YOU and your's will find the status quo which has stuck it to the American population since the 1960"s will find themselves out of favor in this election. Why do you think all of the establishment candidates except Clinton are already out of the race? If it weren't for the Democrats deck stacking with "Super Delegates", she would likely not make it to the convention either.
Out of 535 Congress-critters, there are not more than 2-3 that fit that definition so are not driving the bus. When the parties don't compromise you have no functioning democracy. Then either the government collapses in a coup or much more likely, the GOP just gets voted out of office and the Dems have nothing to stop them. How do you think your "rights" will be protected then?
.... or the country will see a change in ideological direction for the first time in several decades. If not, we are doomed to civil unrest or worse. This country has been on a very divisive course for many years, and the Obama administration has intentionally thrown gas on the fire.
Post by: Number7 on April 12, 2016, 09:26:41 AM
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 12, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Sometimes I read Kristin's posts and think that she hates conservatives, loves progressives, and thinks that any ideas forwarded that do not come a George Soros stamp of approval are evil.
She adamantly says that isn't so, but clearly her positions belie those protestations.
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
She adamantly says that isn't so, but clearly her positions belie those protestations.Ah, the wonderful mindset of these things called "moderates." They hate conservatives and conservatism, endorse liberal policies and ideologies, but say that they don't do either.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 10:50:17 AM
Ah, the wonderful mindset of these things called "constitutional conservatives." They hate moderates and anyone who doesn't agree with them, yet emulate liberal methodology, but say that they don't.
FTFY
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 11:03:14 AM
FTFYDemonstrating once again that you don't know anything about conservatism. Typical Trump backer.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 11:10:37 AM
Demonstrating once again that you don't know anything about conservatism. Typical Trump backer.
Been around longer than you buddy boy, and been involved enough to figure out who is what. Religious zealots and ultra fanatics such as yourself offer nothing but rhetoric and inane diatribes.
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Been around longer than you buddy boy, and been involved enough to figure out who is what. Religious zealots and ultra fanatics such as yourself offer nothing but rhetoric and inane diatribes.Right. I've never seen an old guy act like such a petulant child...oh, wait, never mind. Now I know two of them.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 12:46:07 PM
Right. I've never seen an old guy act like such a petulant child...oh, wait, never mind. Now I know two of them.
Go look in the mirror Stan. You're "holier than thou" self righteous elitist attitude really is wearing thin.
Post by: bflynn on April 12, 2016, 12:55:30 PM
Go look in the mirror Stan. You're "holier than thou" self righteous elitist attitude really is wearing thin.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 01:02:43 PM
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.
Whatever, at least I attempt to be tolerant of different views and I don't hold myself out as an elitist looking down my nose at others. Stan is a fine example of why the GOP/RNC is a failure and why it's coming apart.
Post by: JeffDG on April 12, 2016, 01:26:24 PM
Whatever, at least I attempt to be tolerant of different views and I don't hold myself out as an elitist looking down my nose at others.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 01:56:14 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Wow. He's got a tenuous grasp of the facts, paper thin skin, and not a conservative bone in his body. PERFECT Trump supporter.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 02:07:19 PM
Wow. He's got a tenuous grasp of the facts, paper thin skin, and not a conservative bone in his body. PERFECT Trump supporter.
So says the clueless one. And as far as thin skin, again, go look in the mirror.
And we'll stand by as your sycophant jumps in with more lame rhetoric. You two have become totally predictable.
Post by: Kristin on April 12, 2016, 04:26:21 PM
Wasn't Obamacare a warmed over version of something that was previously proposed by the Republicans? Or am I thinking of the Patriot Act?
Apparently it has many of its features. The GOP was busy denying that in 2012.
Post by: Kristin on April 12, 2016, 04:28:40 PM
Just because you are reguritating talking points in an unending stream of vitriol does not make it gospel.
Of course it isn't gospel. The various gospel are history. Mine is a prediction. I hope I am not correct.
Post by: Kristin on April 12, 2016, 04:39:41 PM
You must be kidding. Do you even remember Obama's first term? The executive and legislative (and arguably judicial) branches of government shoved countless laws, regulations and executive orders down the throats of the Republicans, and the population of this country. They even went as far as changing the rules of the Senate to do so. They ruled against the will of the majority of the population time and time again, and your wish is that "Team R" engage buy doing what? Bending over and handing the Democrats a tube of Vasoline? Get real and get a clue.
The GOP had no voice because they sat in a corner and threw spitballs.
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THe electorate spoke loudly in 2010 and again in 2014 by sending more Republicans to the Washington to stop the insanity... Not to compromise! Unfortunately, they continue to fail, but at least they slowed down the stupidity.
The electorate usually move away from the party that holds the White House. Characterizing it as a waive of born-again conservatives is wishful thinking.
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No, everyone doesn't dislike him, but because he pisses off the establishment boneheads I find him very appealing. He is attempting to break-up the frigging stupidity that has moved us to full-on socialism beginning with the New Deal, and accelerating beginning in the 1960s resulting in more than $20T in debt. It's time we do send someone to Washington to stop this insanity before the country fails.
I assume his wife and dog like him. Not sure about the kids.
Cruz tried to be part of the establishment. He was on the inside in the Bush years, but he was generally panned as being difficult and an obvious power-seeking wannabee. His college roommates didn't much like him either, but maybe they were establishment incognito.[/quote]
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On the contrary, I think YOU and your's will find the status quo which has stuck it to the American population since the 1960"s will find themselves out of favor in this election. Why do you think all of the establishment candidates except Clinton are already out of the race? If it weren't for the Democrats deck stacking with "Super Delegates", she would likely not make it to the convention either.
Time will tell!
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.... or the country will see a change in ideological direction for the first time in several decades. If not, we are doomed to civil unrest or worse. This country has been on a very divisive course for many years, and the Obama administration has intentionally thrown gas on the fire.
Civil unrest is distinctly possible.
Post by: Kristin on April 12, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Sometimes I read Kristin's posts and think that she hates conservatives, loves progressives, and thinks that any ideas forwarded that do not come a George Soros stamp of approval are evil.
When you are so dogmatically reactionary, everyone not in your little bubble of vitriol looks to be an extreme leftist.
Post by: Number7 on April 12, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
When you are so dogmatically reactionary, everyone not in your little bubble of vitriol looks to be an extreme leftist.
Well, you certainly do. And a rather boring, sycophantic one at that.
Post by: Kristin on April 12, 2016, 08:38:47 PM
Well, you certainly do. And a rather boring, sycophantic one at that.
syc·o·phant
ˈsikəˌfant,ˈsikəfənt/
noun
noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
Yeah! That is me. Obsequiously sucking up to y'all!
I knew you didn't understand the issues. I didn't realize you had such problems with the english language. That explains much.
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 06:01:25 AM
syc·o·phantKristin,
ˈsikəˌfant,ˈsikəfənt/
noun
noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
Yeah! That is me. Obsequiously sucking up to y'all!
I knew you didn't understand the issues. I didn't realize you had such problems with the english language. That explains much.
I often agree with you (on some topics), just as I often agree with Lucifer (on different topics).
But both of you resort to name-calling and belittling others too often and it set up a barrier to any true discussion.
For example, I have disagreed with Stan and JeffDG on their anti Trump stance. But I feel I point out fallacies in their argument or debate style, not their mental abilities or belief systems. And I feel I get respect back from them. Once in a while, they even admit that they might agree with a piece of what I say.
Another example is with your use of the word sycophant. You see that as meaning you suck up to people here. But I saw the use as you sucking up to those using the Talking Points memo (whether that is true or not, that was my interpretation of the use of the term).
Of course, you are free, and even encouraged to use whatever debate style you are comfortable with. I just think your style is counter productive. (The usual retort to that, which I don't think you will use, is "who cares what you think"). So be it. I am as free to state my opinions as anyone else on this board without censorship. That is one of the great things about this board. But one word of caution: don't try to underestimate the intelligence of people you don't know because their opinion differs from yours. Many of the smartest people in the world disagree with each other in many areas.
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 13, 2016, 11:52:48 AM
Many of the smartest people in the world disagree with each other in many areas.
...yeah, Idiots do that too ;D
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
...yeah, Idiots do that too ;DI disagree.
oops; I mean I agree.
No wait,
you set me up!!!!
Post by: Kristin on April 13, 2016, 11:00:27 PM
Kristin,
I often agree with you (on some topics), just as I often agree with Lucifer (on different topics).
But both of you resort to name-calling and belittling others too often and it set up a barrier to any true discussion.
For example, I have disagreed with Stan and JeffDG on their anti Trump stance. But I feel I point out fallacies in their argument or debate style, not their mental abilities or belief systems. And I feel I get respect back from them. Once in a while, they even admit that they might agree with a piece of what I say.
Another example is with your use of the word sycophant. You see that as meaning you suck up to people here. But I saw the use as you sucking up to those using the Talking Points memo (whether that is true or not, that was my interpretation of the use of the term).
Of course, you are free, and even encouraged to use whatever debate style you are comfortable with. I just think your style is counter productive. (The usual retort to that, which I don't think you will use, is "who cares what you think"). So be it. I am as free to state my opinions as anyone else on this board without censorship. That is one of the great things about this board. But one word of caution: don't try to underestimate the intelligence of people you don't know because their opinion differs from yours. Many of the smartest people in the world disagree with each other in many areas.
If you watch carefully I think you will note that I don't start the name calling. I admit to being rather poor at turning the other rhetorical cheek.
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 14, 2016, 06:32:09 AM
If you watch carefully I think you will note that I don't start the name calling. I admit to being rather poor at turning the other rhetorical cheek.Well, they don't intend to smack the checks of your face... ;D
Glad you stand up for yourself. I've seen cases (and it happened on PoA) where another woman was sent away crying. I don't even think she was in the SZ. She PMd me saying that she was just going to lurk instead. She eventually dipped a toe back in the waters but her participation was never the same.
Post by: asechrest on April 14, 2016, 07:01:41 AM
Well, they don't intend to smack the checks of your face... ;D
Glad you stand up for yourself. I've seen cases (and it happened on PoA) where another woman was sent away crying. I don't even think she was in the SZ. She PMd me saying that she was just going to lurk instead. She eventually dipped a toe back in the waters but her participation was never the same.
Concur! I enjoy Kristin's Moderate perspective around here, even if the resident right-wing nutjobs (term of endearment!) pretend she's off the left end of the political scale.
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 14, 2016, 09:16:44 AM
Concur! I enjoy Kristin's Moderate perspective around here, even if the resident right-wing nutjobs (term of endearment!) pretend she's off the left end of the political scale.
This coming from a nutjob aligned with a party that thinks moderate=socialism.... Comrade...
Post by: Number7 on April 15, 2016, 06:50:55 AM
syc·o·phant
ˈsikəˌfant,ˈsikəfənt/
noun
noun: sycophant; plural noun: sycophants
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
Yeah! That is me. Obsequiously sucking up to y'all!
I knew you didn't understand the issues. I didn't realize you had such problems with the english language. That explains much.
People who seem to need to rush and prove how smart they are... rarely are, but keep digging.
Post by: asechrest on April 15, 2016, 07:05:56 AM
This coming from a nutjob aligned with a party that thinks moderate=socialism.... Comrade...
I can baaaarely hear you from your spot off that cliff on the right. ;D