PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on May 20, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
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I’ve been a TOS nerd my whole life and until recently refused to even watch TNG*
But I got tired of all the Big Bang theory references and never having watched it so finally I’m watching the whole TNG from start to finish.
I just finished S4 E21 “The Drumhead”. It is exactly what Mueller et al were doing. Prophetic. Ends with Picard admonishing us to be ever vigilant lest we lose our freedom to fanatics on a witch-hunt.
*For the uninitiated: TOS=The Original Series and TNG=The Next Generation.
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I remember watching TOS when it first aired, and was just amazed by it as a kid. Of course in later years watched in reruns, but never watched the other Star Trek series. I have seen a few Next Generation episodes, but just couldn't warm up to it. I did see a few of the later movies with the original cast. TOS was a social and technological statement of the times, and that's why it was so good.
It is funny when they reference TOS on the Big Bang Theory. I always wonder if younger audiences don't get those.
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TNG is very good in its way. TOS is corny now but still filled with lots of great lessons. Roddenberry and the writers of later series really had a lot to say, sometimes subtly and sometimes not. Unfortunately, Patrick Stewart is a raging liberal.
But really, I loved the series “Enterprise” best of all, with Scott Bakula as Captain Archer. The timing is before Kirk, when the ships and technology weren’t as advanced as later. It’s grittier therefore. See it if you can! Oh, and the “Enterprise” theme song is awesome!
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I remember watching TOS when it first aired, and was just amazed by it as a kid. Of course in later years watched in reruns, but never watched the other Star Trek series. I have seen a few Next Generation episodes, but just couldn't warm up to it. I did see a few of the later movies with the original cast. TOS was a social and technological statement of the times, and that's why it was so good.
It is funny when they reference TOS on the Big Bang Theory. I always wonder if younger audiences don't get those.
I was exactly like that; amazed as a kid by TOS and then later catching one or two TNG and not being able to warm up to it, actually feeling offended that it seemed to be trying to duplicate Spock in Data so I refused to give it a chance. Now I finally am begrudgingly and find myself enjoying it, it is good in its own way. But it doesn’t hold a candle to TOS. The incredible chemistry between Kirk, Spock and McCoy - there’s nothing like it on TNG whatsoever. TOS was indeed often really corny, especially with hokey special effects, but it was groundbreaking in its time. And the dynamism between the main characters of TOS is completely absent in TNG. Data’s quest for human emotion totally lacks the passion of Spock’s inner conflict about his already existing emotions. Beverly Crusher is ho hum compared to the feisty McCoy and Picard is a likeable and very competent Captain but totally lacks the dashing derringer do of Kirk, and while Kirk’s womanizing is a bit shameful by today’s standards, it did bring us to tears on more than one occasion (the death of his pregnant wife and that of the beautiful android). And who can forget Shahna of “Gamersters of Triskelion” looking up at the stars and vowing to remember. Great stuff. There’s not one scene of TNG that comes close. I take that back, there is one - when Picard is made a Borg and a single tear comes out of his eye. That’s the only scene in four seasons that managed to make me care about the character.
Younger people who watched TNG as children probably like it better, we tend to be nostalgic about stuff in our childhood. TOS is badly dated, criticized for “racism” because Uhura was never given the bridge or “sexism” because women were openly appreciated for their beauty. In reality TOS was groundbreaking for social progress. Uhura as a black female just being a Starfleet lieutenant was an amazing leap forward. The kiss between Uhura and Kirk was a pivotal moment in entertainment, never before was it okay for mixed races to kiss on screen. It’s possible that it’s not possible to watch TOS today and enjoy it with the innocence of actually being alive in the 1960s.
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I guess there's no accounting for taste! I thought Enterprise was mediocre, and of all the incarnations of Trek, I thought Voyager was the absolute worst. TOS at its best was very very good, and I thought TNG equaled those best episodes too. Overall I think I liked DS9 the best. It was very different from any other Trek series, set on a space station, with some better fleshed-out characters, lots of political intrigue and a generally grittier, less utopian feel than most of the others.
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I guess there's no accounting for taste! I thought Enterprise was mediocre, and of all the incarnations of Trek, I thought Voyager was the absolute worst. TOS at its best was very very good, and I thought TNG equaled those best episodes too. Overall I think I liked DS9 the best. It was very different from any other Trek series, set on a space station, with some better fleshed-out characters, lots of political intrigue and a generally grittier, less utopian feel than most of the others.
I like Kate Mulgrew and so watched one or two Voyager episodes but that was it, it couldn’t pull me in. I don’t think I have seen any episodes of DS9 or Enterprsie. I saw I think the first three movies and hated them all so much I gave up on them. I refuse to watch anything with someone other than Leonard Nimoy playing Spock.
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TNG was just actors. TOS was the real thing, with real aviators. You could tell Spock was a pilot because he used an E6B flight computer.
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Probably had John and Martha train him just as they trained me.
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Probably had John and Martha train him just as they trained me.
That can't be. Spock's hair looked the same in all the episodes!
Interesting TOS trivia. Gene Roddenberry originally wanted Martin Landau as Spock, which would have also been a good choice, but Landau was committed to other projects at the time. Yeah, Nimoy IS Spock.
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A fun thread!
I feel a need to sell Rush on Enterprise. I think of ALL the series, it tries the very least, if at all, to duplicate TOS. It’s actually a prequel to TOS. There are some very good shows and scenes, and it’s fun to see how hesitant they are to use the transporters as the technology is so new and untried! They mostly use shuttles for ship-to-planet travel. Also, they have no deflector shields or phasers.
The friendship and mission focus of Archer and Chief Engineer Trip adds a lot, and I defy anyone not to adore Dr. Phlox! The backstory of how Archer puts together his crew, and flashbacks to Archer and Trip’s younger, brasher days in the Academy are fun.
The aliens in the series are familiar but we get more involved with them at times, and sometimes can be a little sympathetic toward them. The writers do a lot more with convoluted timelines in Enterprise than in TOS or TNG, and there’s some cool time travel scenes in the Old West and so on.
I admit that Series 1 and 2 are better than 3, but only because Series 3 is taken up with their bold journey into the Expanse and the really weird things they encounter there.
I usually skip intros and theme songs but watched the Enterprise one every single time because it’s wonderfully creative and uplifting, and connects Enterprise to the space travel pioneers of our time, like Frank Lovell and the various space missions we’re all familiar with.
Synopsis:
“Star Trek: Enterprise (ENT) focuses on the 22nd century adventures of Captain Jonathan Archer aboard the Enterprise NX-01 during the early days of interstellar travel. The NX designation indicates that this Enterprise is an experimental prototype; Archer’s ship is Earth’s first vessel designed for long-range exploration of the galaxy. Prior to the development of warp engines that could reach a velocity of warp 5, missions of this nature were impossible. At warp 2, only a handful of inhabited planets were within a year’s travel from Earth. But at warp 5, that number increases to ten thousand planets! It is Archer’s job to visit as many of those worlds as he can. At 190 meters long, the NX-01 is a bit smaller than Kirk’s Enterprise, and carries a crew complement of just eighty-three men and women, all human, with the exception of the Vulcan science officer and the Denobulan doctor. Unlike the starships of the four other Star Trek series, this Enterprise doesn’t have deflector shields or phasers, but it does come equipped with a phase cannon and a rudimentary transporter that functions efficiently most of the time.”
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I like Scot Bakula, so maybe I will try to check out Enterprise.
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Personally, I like all the Star Fleet offerings. However, all but TOS required some warm up.
After my original indignation on the reboot of the Star Fleet Universe, I've come to like the new movies.
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yeah.....
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A fun thread!
I feel a need to sell Rush on Enterprise. I think of ALL the series, it tries the very least, if at all, to duplicate TOS. It’s actually a prequel to TOS. There are some very good shows and scenes, and it’s fun to see how hesitant they are to use the transporters as the technology is so new and untried! They mostly use shuttles for ship-to-planet travel. Also, they have no deflector shields or phasers.
The friendship and mission focus of Archer and Chief Engineer Trip adds a lot, and I defy anyone not to adore Dr. Phlox! The backstory of how Archer puts together his crew, and flashbacks to Archer and Trip’s younger, brasher days in the Academy are fun.
The aliens in the series are familiar but we get more involved with them at times, and sometimes can be a little sympathetic toward them. The writers do a lot more with convoluted timelines in Enterprise than in TOS or TNG, and there’s some cool time travel scenes in the Old West and so on.
I admit that Series 1 and 2 are better than 3, but only because Series 3 is taken up with their bold journey into the Expanse and the really weird things they encounter there.
I usually skip intros and theme songs but watched the Enterprise one every single time because it’s wonderfully creative and uplifting, and connects Enterprise to the space travel pioneers of our time, like Frank Lovell and the various space missions we’re all familiar with.
Synopsis:
“Star Trek: Enterprise (ENT) focuses on the 22nd century adventures of Captain Jonathan Archer aboard the Enterprise NX-01 during the early days of interstellar travel. The NX designation indicates that this Enterprise is an experimental prototype; Archer’s ship is Earth’s first vessel designed for long-range exploration of the galaxy. Prior to the development of warp engines that could reach a velocity of warp 5, missions of this nature were impossible. At warp 2, only a handful of inhabited planets were within a year’s travel from Earth. But at warp 5, that number increases to ten thousand planets! It is Archer’s job to visit as many of those worlds as he can. At 190 meters long, the NX-01 is a bit smaller than Kirk’s Enterprise, and carries a crew complement of just eighty-three men and women, all human, with the exception of the Vulcan science officer and the Denobulan doctor. Unlike the starships of the four other Star Trek series, this Enterprise doesn’t have deflector shields or phasers, but it does come equipped with a phase cannon and a rudimentary transporter that functions efficiently most of the time.”
“Most of the time” ha ha! Maybe I’ll put Enterprise next on the agenda, if Netflix has it.
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yeah.....
Hey! There are millions of us! Saw this car at a restaurant here ... it’s the shuttle Galileo!
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https://youtu.be/PcDWuOrooDQ
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For me, TOS was the best. TNG was OK once you got over all the PC and tried to ignore why Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge and why they gave navigation control to a whiny kid. Voyager was pretty good especially once Seven of Nine showed up. DS9 was just OK. I'll have to try Enterprise some day.
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For me, TOS was the best. TNG was OK once you got over all the PC and tried to ignore why Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge and why they gave navigation control to a whiny kid.
Yes!!! The cleavage is impossible to ignore and I am a very straight female. Gads.
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For me, TOS was the best. TNG was OK once you got over all the PC and tried to ignore why Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge and why they gave navigation control to a whiny kid. Voyager was pretty good especially once Seven of Nine showed up. DS9 was just OK. I'll have to try Enterprise some day.
Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge to get guys to watch every episode. It worked for me.
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Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge to get guys to watch every episode. It worked for me.
Woah, woah, woah. There was cleavage involved? Ok, I have to start watching. One of the many draws of TOS was it's scantily clad guest stars, and guest aliens on just about every episode. I think Yvonne Craig who was also Batgirl was one of my faves.
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Woah, woah, woah. There was cleavage involved? Ok, I have to start watching. One of the many draws of TOS was it's scantily clad guest stars, and guest aliens on just about every episode. I think Yvonne Craig who was also Batgirl was one of my faves.
You may as well then, it's on Netflix. Counselor Troi is dressed in skin tight leotards most of the time, and Marina Sirtis managed to keep her figure at least through season 4 which is as far as I've got.
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Is it cold on the Enterprise?
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Counselor Cleavage was on the bridge to get guys to watch every episode. It worked for me.
Then on an episode in about Season 6 or so a gruff authoritarian guy temporarily ousted Picard and ordered Troi to wear the standard uniform. She was covered up for the rest of the series. I thought that was kind of weird.
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Marjel Barrett, who played Nurse Chapel in TOS and Troi’s mother in TNG, was married to Gene Roddenberry.
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Marjel Barrett, who played Nurse Chapel in TOS and Troi’s mother in TNG, was married to Gene Roddenberry.
Which was why they got rid of Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Rand) who was gorgeous, and played a great role.
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Marjel Barrett, who played Nurse Chapel in TOS and Troi’s mother in TNG, was married to Gene Roddenberry.
She was also the voice of the computer on TNG.
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Which was why they got rid of Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Rand) who was gorgeous, and played a great role.
There are rumors that Whitney had an alcohol problem and that too was part of the reason they fired her. The original plan was for there to be a sexual undercurrent between Rand and Kirk (and there was!) but then they decided they wanted Kirk to also have various encounters with other females and they thought that would be awkward so they got rid of her. It was a huge mistake, possibly the biggest mistake of the whole series, because fans loved Yeoman Rand and never forgave them for ditching her.
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According to Wikipedia, Whitney appeared as Rand in several of the Trek movies, including as Lt. Commander Rand. It's been so long since I saw any of the movies that I'm not certain I remember seeing her there, but anyway...
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According to Wikipedia, Whitney appeared as Rand in several of the Trek movies, including as Lt. Commander Rand. It's been so long since I saw any of the movies that I'm not certain I remember seeing her there, but anyway...
Yes, they brought her back for the movies, but I forget which ones. I was surprised to see she was born in 1930, so was in her mid to late thirties when TOS aired. I was curious when Rush said she had a drinking problem, and indeed she did, but I think kicked it later in life. That could have been a reason they canned her originally, but I an cynical so tend to believe her story that Roddenberry only wanted one blonde around, his fiancé, then wife.
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Yes, they brought her back for the movies, but I forget which ones. I was surprised to see she was born in 1930, so was in her mid to late thirties when TOS aired. I was curious when Rush said she had a drinking problem, and indeed she did, but I think kicked it later in life. That could have been a reason they canned her originally, but I an cynical so tend to believe her story that Roddenberry only wanted one blonde around, his fiancé, then wife.
You'd think, though, that Roddenberry would have insisted on a major role for her if that were the case. The only central cast role she ever had on Trek was as Nurse (later Dr.) Chapel. I know I'll mostly remember her as the god-awful Lwaxana Troi, the Counselor's mom, who appeared in some of the weakest TNG episodes ever made.
(Lwaxana did have a memorable appearance early on in DS9 though, where she managed to soften up - literally - the shape-shifting security officer, Odo, played by Rene Auberjonois. That's the only time I ever found her remotely tolerable.)
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Yes, they brought her back for the movies, but I forget which ones. I was surprised to see she was born in 1930, so was in her mid to late thirties when TOS aired. I was curious when Rush said she had a drinking problem, and indeed she did, but I think kicked it later in life. That could have been a reason they canned her originally, but I an cynical so tend to believe her story that Roddenberry only wanted one blonde around, his fiancé, then wife.
Like so many things in life it may have been a combination of several reasons that finally tipped the decision.
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You'd think, though, that Roddenberry would have insisted on a major role for her if that were the case. The only central cast role she ever had on Trek was as Nurse (later Dr.) Chapel. I know I'll mostly remember her as the god-awful Lwaxana Troi, the Counselor's mom, who appeared in some of the weakest TNG episodes ever made.
(Lwaxana did have a memorable appearance early on in DS9 though, where she managed to soften up - literally - the shape-shifting security officer, Odo, played by Rene Auberjonois. That's the only time I ever found her remotely tolerable.)
She did have a major role in the pilot, as “Number One” but at that time was only Roddenberry’s mistress. Roddenberry was married to someone else. NBC was scandalized at giving her a big role so she was downgraded to Nurse Chapel. She and Roddenberry didn’t marry until after TOS was canceled.
I loved Nurse Chapel, and hate Lwaxana. It blows my mind hat they are played by the same woman!
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She did have a major role in the pilot, as “Number One” but at that time was only Roddenberry’s mistress. Roddenberry was married to someone else. NBC was scandalized at giving her a big role so she was downgraded to Nurse Chapel. She and Roddenberry didn’t marry until after TOS was canceled.
I loved Nurse Chapel, and hate Lwaxana. It blows my mind hat they are played by the same woman!
I never found her very attractive, certainly not next to Yeoman Rand. However, Star Trek had some tough female competition in the looks department on just about every episode.
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She did have a major role in the pilot, as “Number One” but at that time was only Roddenberry’s mistress. Roddenberry was married to someone else. NBC was scandalized at giving her a big role so she was downgraded to Nurse Chapel. She and Roddenberry didn’t marry until after TOS was canceled.
Yep, though that was only the pilot - parts of which were later incorporated into The Menagerie, one of the classic TOS 1st season episodes. I can't recall whether they used her scenes in the episode, but I assume they did.
I loved Nurse Chapel, and hate Lwaxana. It blows my mind hat they are played by the same woman!
Amen. And it goes to show that Barrett was actually quite a capable actor. Which makes it all the more surprising that they didn't make better use of her in all the different Trek series. I think she ended up being too closely associated with the Lwaxana character. What a shame.
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I never found her very attractive, certainly not next to Yeoman Rand. However, Star Trek had some tough female competition in the looks department on just about every episode.
No she wasn't a classic beauty at all. But I thought she was a good one to have a crush on Spock. Her personality was cool and logical, as a medical professional.
Yes they had some real knockouts in so many episodes.
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In contrast, the only heartthrobs for us girls were Kirk and Khan. Kirk was sensitive and philosophical like Picard, but more given to passion. And Ricardo Montalban as Khan ... swoooooon! Talk about your toxic masculinity! :)
Ryker ... too pretty boy. Data had more appeal.
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In contrast, the only heartthrobs for us girls were Kirk and Khan. Kirk was sensitive and philosophical like Picard, but more given to passion. And Ricardo Montalban as Khan ... swoooooon! Talk about your toxic masculinity! :)
Ryker ... too pretty boy. Data had more appeal.
Maybe the network thinking it was Sci Fi, it would appeal to a mostly Male audience. Who knows. Today it would be totally different. Most of the Male crew would be young pretty boys with perfect bods you only get by four hours a day in the gym. Shatner had a problem keeping weight off, and you'd see him a few pounds up on occasion.
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In contrast, the only heartthrobs for us girls were Kirk and Khan. Kirk was sensitive and philosophical like Picard, but more given to passion. And Ricardo Montalban as Khan ... swoooooon! Talk about your toxic masculinity! :)
Ryker ... too pretty boy. Data had more appeal.
Agree with everything. I liked Spock best but not as a sex symbol. Just loved his intelligence. Kirk was the biggest romantic figure for the young me. There is no one on TNG I have the hots for. Worf comes closest, being the large courageous warrior. Picard is too much like my Dad, yuck. Data is a machine. Riker (Ryker, spelling?) does not appeal to me at all. I guess he is supposed to be good looking, but he just isn't my type.
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I prefer TNG, but it might be because of my age. I still watch rerun episodes sometimes. Picard is legendary. And there were good lessons in the episodes for a younger person.
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I watched a few TNG's and found myself a bit bored Their was always a social justice message, and in a pervasive way, unlike the social commentary of TOS. It was not entertaining for me. I think I might like Enterprise from some of the comments here, so may try that.
The interplay between Picard and #1 was weird, as if he wasn't really Captain, but Riker was. It was like they had two Captains. Very different from the relationship of Kirk and Spock. It was as if the Enterprise had two Mommies. :)
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I watched a few TNG's and found myself a bit bored Their was always a social justice message, and in a pervasive way, unlike the social commentary of TOS. It was not entertaining for me. I think I might like Enterprise from some of the comments here, so may try that.
The interplay between Picard and #1 was weird, as if he wasn't really Captain, but Riker was. It was like they had two Captains. Very different from the relationship of Kirk and Spock. It was as if the Enterprise had two Mommies. :)
I started Enterprise, I'm through two or three episodes. I like it sort of, so far. It's different. I think it will grow on me some more.
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In contrast, the only heartthrobs for us girls were Kirk and Khan. Kirk was sensitive and philosophical like Picard, but more given to passion. And Ricardo Montalban as Khan ... swoooooon! Talk about your toxic masculinity! :)
Ryker ... too pretty boy. Data had more appeal.
Hey... even *I* thought Ricardo Montalban was hot, and I'm gay! (lesbian, for those of you not paying attention... ;)) Kirk... too pompous and egotistical for me.
There were VERY few Trek women that I found attractive in that way. Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar somewhat, but she wasn't really convincing in the role (and part of that was probably the writing, which was very ho-hum at that point), and anyway they killed her off at the end of the first season. Nana Visitor as Major Kira, once she stopped overacting the part, and especially Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren, but she was only in one episode. No one else that really stands out for me, though I've forgotten most of the episodes of TOS except for the really standout ones.
Well okay, Kate Mulgrew was JUST A LITTLE appealing as Janeway on VOY. But not enough to salvage the show for me, which was so inane (and self-consciously "diverse") that I really could not watch it much of the time.
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Hey... even *I* thought Ricardo Montalban was hot, and I'm gay! (lesbian, for those of you not paying attention... ;)) Kirk... too pompous and egotistical for me.
There were VERY few Trek women that I found attractive in that way. Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar somewhat, but she wasn't really convincing in the role (and part of that was probably the writing, which was very ho-hum at that point), and anyway they killed her off at the end of the first season. Nana Visitor as Major Kira, once she stopped overacting the part, and especially Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren, but she was only in one episode. No one else that really stands out for me, though I've forgotten most of the episodes of TOS except for the really standout ones.
Well okay, Kate Mulgrew was JUST A LITTLE appealing as Janeway on VOY. But not enough to salvage the show for me, which was so inane (and self-consciously "diverse") that I really could not watch it much of the time.
Let’s see, if I were gay... the hottest woman of all Star Trek I have watched so far would be Elaan of Troyius. She was mesmerizing. Second would be Yeoman Janice Rand. Marta might come in third for oozing sexuality but really, I’d prefer Rayna, in “Requium for Methuselah” because she had brains too. She was an Android but unlike Data didn’t look like one, and had human emotion in the end. Unfortunately that’s what killed her
Uhura and Tasha Yar would be tied for next place. I was shocked and disappointed when they had Yar killed off. I had read that Denise Crosby didn’t want to just stand behind the bar on the bridge all the time and in season 1 she was right, her role was too thin. But if she had stayed no doubt they would have fleshed out her character just like they did Worf’s.
So far I hate all the women in Enterprise. And most of the men. But I love the doctor and the stories are good enough to keep me watching.
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Well, I’ll jump on the “If I were gay” thought train!
Ro Laren, hands down. She was actually in two or three TNG episodes and I loved her rebel spirit and she is one strong character! And beautiful in a kind of Sandra Bullock way.
On Enterprise (back to not being gay) I do adore Dr. Phlox enormously. As you learn more about Denobulans and their biology and customs, he gets even more interesting. Tripp reminds me of my cocky ex-husband but with redeeming qualities he didn’t have.
I love Archer, too. Tpol is too cold, but hang in there. Enterprise sheds more light on what it’s like to be a Vulcan, and new sides to her personality are revealed.
I also like Malcolm Reid. He is smart, acerbic and doesn’t yammer.
And Porthos. :) There’s even an episode where he has a starring role!
Nitpick: There are no replicators, so how do they carry fresh food for years of space travel? But once you go down that road ... there’d be no show if you kept going!
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Of the newer era, 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan) was by far the hottest. In TOS they are too numerous to name, but the list I posted has many.
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Of the newer era, 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan) was by far the hottest. In TOS they are too numerous to name, but the list I posted has many.
Gosh I forgot about Mariette Hartley. In a bikini in the ice age. LOL! And the Romulan commander that Spock betrayed. I liked her too. You’re right, there were too many to count in TOS.
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Gosh I forgot about Mariette Hartley. In a bikini in the ice age. LOL! And the Romulan commander that Spock betrayed. I liked her too. You’re right, there were too many to count in TOS.
I forgot about Mariette Hartley also! Hey, if Raquel Welch could do it with a fur bikini in "One Million Years B.C.".....
Realism, we don't need no stinkin realism!
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Gosh I forgot about Mariette Hartley.
I remember her being a guest in many series. Pretty lady.
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Gosh I forgot about Mariette Hartley. In a bikini in the ice age. LOL! And the Romulan commander that Spock betrayed. I liked her too. You’re right, there were too many to count in TOS.
Oooh...! You're reminding me of some of those episodes I'd totally forgotten about! The ice age one was the one where Spock "regresses" into a more primitive, pre-logical Vulcan, right? "I have eaten animal flesh, and enjoyed it..." or something like that. I think her name was Zarabeth... but I can't even picture what she looked like.
But the Romulan commander... absolutely! And that was one I've always thought of as a standout episode. The Enterprise Incident I think it was called. I had to look her up... according to Wikipedia, she was Joanne Linville, someone I had never heard of.
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Oooh...! You're reminding me of some of those episodes I'd totally forgotten about! The ice age one was the one where Spock "regresses" into a more primitive, pre-logical Vulcan, right? "I have eaten animal flesh, and enjoyed it..." or something like that. I think her name was Zarabeth... but I can't even picture what she looked like.
But the Romulan commander... absolutely! And that was one I've always thought of as a standout episode. The Enterprise Incident I think it was called. I had to look her up... according to Wikipedia, she was Joanne Linville, someone I had never heard of.
I think you got it right, Enterprise Incident. And yes Spock regresses to his primitive ancestors in the other one. I love the scene where he finally has had enough of McCoy’s teasing and pulls him up short.