PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Steingar on August 27, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
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They say we want to disband police departments (and that we hate the police): we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and unnecessary police brutality and for those who abuse their power to be held accountable.
They say we want to release all prisoners: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and ensure the punishments match the crimes and to deprivatize prisons.
They say we want open borders: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want asylum seekers to be given their chance to seek asylum. We want to help people who are coming from unimaginable terror and poverty help to give them the chances we have. We want to ensure children aren’t separated from their parents and that nobody is kept in cages. But we do want proper vetting.
They say we want to take away your guns: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want logical gun control to help prevent mass shootings.
They say we want to wage a war on Christianity and Christian values: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want people of all religions to be able to practice and worship freely.
They say we want to get everything for free: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to work hard and make sure that healthcare and education are affordable for all.
They say we want a war against traditional marriage: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want people of all sexual orientations to be able to love freely, no matter who you love.
They say we want to destroy or rewrite history: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to recognize the ugly parts of our past and do everything we can to say “that’s not okay, let’s not honor those aggressors, let’s not let those things happen again”.
They say we want to take away your constitutional rights: we don’t, that’s a lie. We choose to believe science and wear masks and try to prevent the spread of this disease.
They say we hate America: we don’t, that’s a lie. We just recognize our faults and want us to do better, be better.
Stop with the us vs. them.
Stop with the straw man arguments.
Stop with the fake news.
Stop with fox news.
Our position is one of empathy, compassion and logic. Stop believing the hype. Stop with the division.
Just because we want equality for all doesn’t mean we want to take anything away from you.
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You really believe that bullshit Michael?
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Besides being false, that's plagiarized.
"Defund the police, eliminate the police, replace the police with social workers?"
"Damn right we're coming for your guns."
Etc.
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Who do you think "they" are?
"Stop with the us vs. them. " - how ironic
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Tisk tisk, Steingar. Still don’t have an original thought, do you. Just like Joe Biden, you had to plagiarize someone else’s work without attribution.
I thought academics had something against that.
Feel free to come back when you can contribute to the conversation.
Oh, and I’m sure she didn’t think this up either, but it’s amazing what you can find using the Google.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/27899fa8156048c74027953d3afe2c3a.jpg)
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More plagiarism and lies. Nice try. Was it peer reviewed?
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isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
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Stop with the us vs. them.
You fill up a page with "we" and "they" and you ask us to stop with the "us" vs "them".
Who are the WE of which you speak? Because many of you do want all those things. Your plagiarized diatribe is just a way to try to distance yourself from the lunatics that make up the core of your party. Why don't your leaders reject them publicly?
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who knew that Terri plagarized that ...
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Mikey, go get help, you plagiarizing twit.
Are you so shallow you can't think (even little thoughts) for yourself?
I'm sure mikey is patting himself on the back while sucking his thumb, thinking, "I really got them that time!"
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Besides being false, that's plagiarized.
Good point, I should have put it in quotes, didn't mean to attribute it to yours truly.
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Good point, I should have put it in quotes, didn't mean to attribute it to yours truly.
Yes you did. This is not the first time you plagiarized. This is the reason you got caught so quickly, everyone is aware of your game.
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When this first posted it was obvious that the perfessor had once again plagiarized someone and wanted credit for something he is incapable of writing himself. But he obviously agrees with the context, so I took the time to answer.
If Michael had any integrity he would defend his position with a thoughtful rebuttal, but I won't kid myself.
They say we want to disband police departments (and that we hate the police): we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and unnecessary police brutality and for those who abuse their power to be held accountable.
So have you bothered to research the actual numbers? White people are killed by police more often than black. Fact.
Unnecessary brutality? Ever walked in the shoes of a LEO? They must make split second decisions that could result in their own deaths. What you call "brutality" is often self defense.
So you don't hate the police? Really? https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/23/blm-crowd-beats-police-pig-pinata-during-one-of-many-anti-cop-rallies-revving-up-across-america-963473
https://www.amren.com/news/2020/07/blm-anti-police-hate-fest-comes-to-small-town-america/
BTW, you say you want to "weed out racism" in the police. Exactly how does defunding the police do that?
They say we want to release all prisoners: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to weed out racism and ensure the punishments match the crimes and to deprivatize prisons.
Lie? Look at the major democrat controlled states and cities that purged their prisons recently. Listen to the democrat governors and mayors, listen to the DA's that are funded by Soros. Are you calling them liars?
They say we want open borders: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want asylum seekers to be given their chance to seek asylum. We want to help people who are coming from unimaginable terror and poverty help to give them the chances we have. We want to ensure children aren’t separated from their parents and that nobody is kept in cages. But we do want proper vetting.
Lie? Ever read the DNC National Platform? Ever listen to Joe Biden? Kamala Harris? Nancy Pelosi? Chuck Schumer? AOC? BHO?
Americans are are for immigrants and giving them a chance. Our country was built on that. But we want them to obey our laws. Have you figured out the difference between an illegal alien and a resident? The person that seeks residency has obeyed our laws and sought to enter our country. The illegal has broken our laws, entered and demanded we give them more rights than what's afforded out citizens. By the way, those laws were written by congress, the same congress that refuses to update those laws. The same Democrat representatives and senators that refuse to take up immigration reform.
"Proper vetting" is done by following the law.
Oh, and those "cages"? Care to guess who built them and used them throughout his administration? His VP is now running for President.
They say we want to take away your guns: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want logical gun control to help prevent mass shootings.
Lie? How many direct quotes and videos do you want me to post coming from Democrats telling us their plans for gun confiscation? It will fill several pages.
I'm sorry, but you don't care a bit about shootings and I can prove it. Look at the escalating murder rate in Chicago, New York and DC as an example. Some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Yet week after week the bodies pile up. Bodies not only of adults but children. Yet your MSM will not report on it, because it does not fit the narrative. That violence has a common thread, it's called "black on black" crime. But to you that doesn't exist. You only want to focus on the rare occasion a white kills a black, then you want to martyr the black man.
They say we want to wage a war on Christianity and Christian values: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want people of all religions to be able to practice and worship freely.
I'll let this speak for itself: https://www.foxnews.com/us/church-fire-florida-california-statue-burned-police-investigation
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/churches-and-statues-vandalized-burnt-attacked-across-us-over-weekend
https://www.newsmax.com/us/catholic-church-arson-burned/2020/07/13/id/976972/
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/05/21/mississippi-church-that-refused-to-closed-burned-down-by-arsonist-who-leaves-message/
They say we want to get everything for free: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to work hard and make sure that healthcare and education are affordable for all.
Read the DNC Platform? Have you listened to Joe Biden? Kamala Harris? Nancy Pelosi? Chuck Schumer?
They say we want a war against traditional marriage: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want people of all sexual orientations to be able to love freely, no matter who you love.
No one has a problem with sexual orientation. But what people do have a problem with is the left's desire to mandate sexual orientation as a protected class and offer them rights and privileges not afforded to others. That's simply wrong.
They say we want to destroy or rewrite history: we don’t, that’s a lie. We want to recognize the ugly parts of our past and do everything we can to say “that’s not okay, let’s not honor those aggressors, let’s not let those things happen again”.
All sides of history are important. We learn from our past. When you start erasing the parts of history you disagree, you are inviting to see it repeat. And to disagree with history, one must know history. Too many in the left know very little of history.
Take the riots on destroying statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founders. These men risked everything, including their own lives to give you a country in which you prosper today.
How about a little more history. Which party was for the abolish of slavery? Which party was for giving former slaves citizenship? Which party was for giving former slaves the right to vote? Which party was for giving women the right to vote? Which party was for civil rights? Which party saw electing the first black representatives?
Now I ask you this? Which party pushed for secession of the states from the union to preserve slavery? Which party fought against freeing the slaves? Which party fought against giving former slaves citizenship? Which party fought against giving blacks the right to vote? Which party fought against giving women the right to vote? Which party implemented the Jim Crow laws? Which party started and funded the Ku Klux Klan? Which party fought against civil rights?
They say we want to take away your constitutional rights: we don’t, that’s a lie. We choose to believe science and wear masks and try to prevent the spread of this disease.
Yet, you refuse to listen to acclaimed doctors and professionals who disagree with the science you claim is "settled". Science is about disagreement. Science has never been about "only your opinion is right".
Even the CDC recently has stated, once again, mask do little if anything to stop the spread. Top scientist and doctors have backed that up. Top researchers and doctors have also stated a readily available drug, used for decades and proven safe if used in recommended dosages, will keep people at risk from getting sick. Yet you and your party loyals, and the MSM fight religiously to stop people from using it.
They say we hate America: we don’t, that’s a lie. We just recognize our faults and want us to do better, be better.
Stop with the us vs. them.
Stop with the straw man arguments.
Stop with the fake news.
Stop with fox news.
Our position is one of empathy, compassion and logic. Stop believing the hype. Stop with the division.
Just because we want equality for all doesn’t mean we want to take anything away from you.
Your actions speak louder than words. Watching your party burn flags, deface public buildings, burn down private businesses and terrorize people for no reason shouts hatred. Watching your rioters loot businesses for fun, and destroy those things so many have worked their whole lives to build speaks volumes of your hate.
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Thank you for taking the time to answer that long stupid rant. While it won't make any difference in the Drive-by Professor's position, it is a useful reference when my relatives try to make those same arguments.
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The problem with the mikey's of the world is that they are perfectly happy to wait until they are told what they think and then they demand everyone else agree with the bullshit they were just spoon fed.
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I've said for a long time - both sides want to make things "better". They just don't agree with what better means.
From what I see, Democrats have a very different idea of better which is not in line with the traditional American life. In order to implement, they require that your values be adjusted to theirs.
For example, you should care about the group more than yourself. This was Obama's idea of shared success. The omission from this, clear to anyone who has lived under socialism. is that it requires shared misery too.
Your ideas are not important when they conflict with the declared goals. We see this every day. One recent example is the restaurant harassment in DC where protesters demanded that diners raise their fist for Black Power in the middle of their dinner. The few people who refused to be bullied were screamed at, trying to force them to comply. To Democrats this is brilliant, because coercion is a valid tool, especially when you cannot get people to agree otherwise.
Roll back to Obamacare. Democrats claim it worked and was a smashing success, Republicans say it's abject failure because it drove prices higher, quality down and provided for worse outcomes. Who is right? They both are. To understand that, you have to understand that the two sides have different objectives. Republicans wanted to fix health care costs. Democrats want to give away care to everyone and make the US healthcare system like every other system. But there is a key difference in health care and that is tort. In other countries you cannot sue people like you can in the US. We have tort, which is probably responsible for over 50% of health care costs...doctors practice a legal defense first, then they practice medicine.
I could go on, but I suspect nobody is really that interested.
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I've said for a long time - both sides want to make things "better". They just don't agree with what better means.
From what I see, Democrats have a very different idea of better which is not in line with the traditional American life. In order to implement, they require that your values be adjusted to theirs.
For example, you should care about the group more than yourself. This was Obama's idea of shared success. The omission from this, clear to anyone who has lived under socialism. is that it requires shared misery too.
Your ideas are not important when they conflict with the declared goals. We see this every day. One recent example is the restaurant harassment in DC where protesters demanded that diners raise their fist for Black Power in the middle of their dinner. The few people who refused to be bullied were screamed at, trying to force them to comply. To Democrats this is brilliant, because coercion is a valid tool, especially when you cannot get people to agree otherwise.
Roll back to Obamacare. Democrats claim it worked and was a smashing success, Republicans say it's abject failure because it drove prices higher, quality down and provided for worse outcomes. Who is right? They both are. To understand that, you have to understand that the two sides have different objectives. Republicans wanted to fix health care costs. Democrats want to give away care to everyone and make the US healthcare system like every other system. But there is a key difference in health care and that is tort. In other countries you cannot sue people like you can in the US. We have tort, which is probably responsible for over 50% of health care costs...doctors practice a legal defense first, then they practice medicine.
I could go on, but I suspect nobody is really that interested.
Great post.
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I've said for a long time - both sides want to make things "better". They just don't agree with what better means.
From what I see, Democrats have a very different idea of better which is not in line with the traditional American life. In order to implement, they require that your values be adjusted to theirs.
For example, you should care about the group more than yourself. This was Obama's idea of shared success. The omission from this, clear to anyone who has lived under socialism. is that it requires shared misery too.
Your ideas are not important when they conflict with the declared goals. We see this every day. One recent example is the restaurant harassment in DC where protesters demanded that diners raise their fist for Black Power in the middle of their dinner. The few people who refused to be bullied were screamed at, trying to force them to comply. To Democrats this is brilliant, because coercion is a valid tool, especially when you cannot get people to agree otherwise.
Roll back to Obamacare. Democrats claim it worked and was a smashing success, Republicans say it's abject failure because it drove prices higher, quality down and provided for worse outcomes. Who is right? They both are. To understand that, you have to understand that the two sides have different objectives. Republicans wanted to fix health care costs. Democrats want to give away care to everyone and make the US healthcare system like every other system. But there is a key difference in health care and that is tort. In other countries you cannot sue people like you can in the US. We have tort, which is probably responsible for over 50% of health care costs...doctors practice a legal defense first, then they practice medicine.
I could go on, but I suspect nobody is really that interested.
I disagree with much of your conclusion.
Democrats couldn't care less about anything but seizing and holding power and will use any and all avenues to achieve it. Like all good communists, which is what the current generation of democrats are at their heart, individualism, self reliance, independent choice and freedom to seek the best outcome for oneself is the enemy, because it results in less power to the state.
That viscous bitch pelosi proved my point when she labeled republicans enemies of the state. It was inevitable that her worshiping imbeciles would attempt to kill Rand Paul leaving President Trump's speech Thursday night, because the end justifies murder, violence, racism, Blind hatred, arson, destruction of entire communities and failed educational systems, as long as democrat communists get and keep power.
Behind the facade of the goals of communism is simple greed.
Democrats like all communists are eaten alive by their greed, envy, resentment against the individual success of others, because they demand whatever you have and pretend they deserve it because their shitty ideals are so special.
Nowhere in the communist democrat philosophy is anything approaching desire for common good..
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Saw this on another forum. Very insightful.
We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind !
-If a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.
-Somehow it's un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America .
-Russians influencing our elections are bad, but illegals voting in our elections are good.
-It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it's an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquires about it.
-Twenty is too young to drink a beer, but eighteen is old enough to vote.
-People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.
-Inflammatory rhetoric is outrageous, but harassing people in restaurants is virtuous.
-People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.
-Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you'd better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.
-Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcome.
-$5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for free health care is not.
-If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.
-People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.
-We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us.
-Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.
-Criminals are catch-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights.
And pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists" ?!
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I've said for a long time - both sides want to make things "better". They just don't agree with what better means.
another difference is the role of government. Generally the democrats think that government is the solution to everything.... (except maybe space exploration). Basically, more government is the democrat's go-to answer for any real or imagined problem.
Notice I said "answer" rather than "solution"... anyone want to guess why?
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Notice I said "answer" rather than "solution"... anyone want to guess why?
Because, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.
And you just read that in Ronald Reagan's voice.
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The two factors causing Economic and Societal chaos are supported by large swaths of the Government/Media/Soros and others. Corona Virus over reaction and BLM rioting, looting, violence, arson, etc. This is purposeful Government tyranny and oppression and many if not most are succumbing to it. This is the war folks, and it is going from cold to hot.