PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on April 01, 2016, 05:53:13 AM
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/04/01/lock_out_the_establishment_in_cleveland_130164.html
Then there was Trump's suggestion, instantly withdrawn, that if abortion is outlawed, then women who undergo abortions may face some punishment.
This gaffe told us nothing we did not know. New to elective politics, Trump is less familiar with the ideological and issues terrain than those who live there. But the outrage of the elites is all fakery.
Democrats do not care a hoot about the right to life of unborn babies, even unto the ninth month of pregnancy. And the Republican establishment is grabbing any stick to beat Trump, not because he threatens the rights of women, but because he threatens them.
Trump has denounced the trade treaties, from NAFTA to GATT to the WTO and MFN for China, that have de-industrialized America, imperil our sovereignty and independence, and cost millions of good jobs.
And who is responsible for the trade deals that sold out Middle America? "Free-trade" Republicans who signed on to "fast-track," surrendered Congress' rights to amend trade treaties, and buckle to every demand of the Business Roundtable.
The unstated premise of the Trump campaign is that some among the Fortune 500 companies are engaged in economic treason against America.
No wonder they hate him.
As for Trump's call for an "America First" foreign policy, it threatens the rice bowls of those for whom imperial interventions are the reason for their existence.
If the primary goals of U.S. foreign policy become the avoidance of confrontations with great nuclear powers and staying out of unnecessary wars, who needs neocons?
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I find it laughable that the guy who claims to be the smartest man in the room, and who surrounds himself with the best and brightest and most beautiful people, and says that everyone else is stupid, and who has built a $10 billion business, made a gaffe because he is a political novice. Give me a break. As I said in the other thread, he made a gaffe because he doesn't believe and live being pro-life, and has in his New York liberal mind a caricature of what a pro-life person would want, such as punishing a woman who had an abortion.
Then, anyone who points out that he just handed the noose to Democrats by saying something so stupid (and the Democrat ads were out within 24 hours of Trump's "punish women" statement, is a part of the "establishment." Utter bullshit.
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See you missed the entire point of the article.
So what's new? ::)
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So the Republicans should choose Ted Cruz? To me at least, that ain't a better choice. Yes, the Donald is like throwing loaded dice and hoping for a six. I do not see where Cruz is any great improvement for the American people. A bible thumping, snake-oil salesman who makes decisions based on ideology and personal gain instead of facts.
As surprised as I am at saying this.... but I'm starting to feel the Bern.. ;)
Gary
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I'm not convinced that Rule 40 will be retained even with Trump and Cruz supporting it. The establishment is already setting the stage for someone not currently running to take the nomination, perhaps Paul Ryan. It's certainly a year for anti-establishment sentiment and it only seems to be growing which is obviously making the establishment nervous, to some extent. If Cruz ends up being the nominee after the first ballot at the convention, I can see Trump supporting him.
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I'm not convinced that Rule 40 will be retained even with Trump and Cruz supporting it. The establishment is already setting the stage for someone not currently running to take the nomination, perhaps Paul Ryan. It's certainly a year for anti-establishment sentiment and it only seems to be growing which is obviously making the establishment nervous, to some extent. If Cruz ends up being the nominee after the first ballot at the convention, I can see Trump supporting him.
If I were to set up a process for the convention myself, I would do it thusly.
- All candidates that ran in caucuses or primaries on the first ballot.
- Tally votes:
- Does one candidate have a majority of votes? If yes, process over, we have a nominee!
- If no: Drop the candidate with the lowest number of votes, or receiving < 10% of all votes
- Delegates from dropped candidates become "uncommitted" for future ballots and can choose from remaining candidates
- Vote again, repeat as necessary
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If I were to set up a process for the convention myself, I would do it thusly.
- All candidates that ran in caucuses or primaries on the first ballot.
- Tally votes:
- Does one candidate have a majority of votes? If yes, process over, we have a nominee!
- If no: Drop the candidate with the lowest number of votes, or receiving < 10% of all votes
- Delegates from dropped candidates become "uncommitted" for future ballots and can choose from remaining candidates
- Vote again, repeat as necessary
Would you include the candidates who've already dropped out by that point? I don't think a simple majority works well. If it did, that would be the standard instead of the 1,237 delegates needed to get the nomination during the primary season.
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Would you include the candidates who've already dropped out by that point? I don't think a simple majority works well. If it did, that would be the standard instead of the 1,237 delegates needed to get the nomination during the primary season.
Actually, 1,237 IS a simple majority. There are 2,473 delegates to the convention.
For ballot 1, yes it would include everyone, even the drop-outs. They'll all get cleared out for ballot 2 being <10%.
Remember, nobody has "dropped out", they've all "suspended their campaigns"
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Actually, 1,237 IS a simple majority. There are 2,473 delegates to the convention.
For ballot 1, yes it would include everyone, even the drop-outs. They'll all get cleared out for ballot 2 being <10%.
Remember, nobody has "dropped out", they've all "suspended their campaigns"
Good point, it is a simple majority. Not sure why I thought it was a different number. Also a good point that they've suspended their campaigns. Except in California where Jeb, Christie and Rubio have asked their names to be removed from the ballot.
I would love to see some of the negotiating going on at the convention when the candidates are trying to delegates to switch their support.
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Good point, it is a simple majority. Not sure why I thought it was a different number. Also a good point that they've suspended their campaigns. Except in California where Jeb, Christie and Rubio have asked their names to be removed from the ballot.
I would love to see some of the negotiating going on at the convention when the candidates are trying to delegates to switch their support.
In Kasich's defense...I've seen a couple of contested conventions up north...they're not that unusual there.
What tends to happen (stop me if this seems familiar), #1 and #2 going in beat the snot out of each other. And they tend to look like jackasses while doing it. Other delegates tend to coalesce around #3, and the two conventions I followed ended up with #3 taking the leadership in the end (Stephan Dion for the federal Liberal party, and Ed Stelmach for the Alberta PC party). In hindsight, neither choice covered their respective parties in glory.