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Title: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 18, 2022, 08:26:01 AM
I stopped reading National Review in 2016 when it became evident it was just a den of anti-Trumpers and false conservatives.

I followed French for a while. He was a US Army JAG Officer, so I have him some slack when he said something stupid. I started ignoring him 8 years ago, but apparently he’s become quite a dick to real conservatives, evangelistic Christians, and of course Trump supporters.

The article shows French and people like him going through the death throes of trying to remain relevant. He should be put out of his misery.

Major Pastors Rebuke David French Over His Repeated Criticism Of Churches And ‘White Evangelicals’
 https://www.dailywire.com/news/major-pastors-rebuke-david-french-over-his-repeated-criticism-of-churches-and-white-evangelicals
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2022, 09:06:24 AM
I don’t understand never Trumpers.  I suspect deep down they are closet authoritarians.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 18, 2022, 11:02:44 AM
I don’t understand never Trumpers.  I suspect deep down they are closet authoritarians.

Sometimes not even deep down.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: jb1842 on February 18, 2022, 11:11:23 AM
I don’t understand never Trumpers.  I suspect deep down they are closet authoritarians.

Closet cucks.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2022, 12:24:14 PM
Closet cucks.

I guess I try to find logical intellectual reasoning when it’s actually just a character flaw.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: jb1842 on February 18, 2022, 12:27:36 PM
I guess I try to find logical intellectual reasoning when it’s actually just a character flaw.

Those 3 words can never be used to describe the left's thought process.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 18, 2022, 02:56:49 PM
Those 3 words can never be used to describe the left's thought process.

Agree, although technically I think in this thread we are talking about people on the right who hate Trump. You can say they are siding with “the left” or the swamp, whatever you want to call it.  They might as well be. They aren’t fighting it.

Once again, it isn’t really a matter of right or left. It’s the common people and the ruling elite.

Reagan said, and it is even more true today:

“You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down: [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.”


Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 18, 2022, 08:00:44 PM
I don’t understand never Trumpers.  I suspect deep down they are closet authoritarians.

I guess I'm not a "never" Trumper since I did vote for him, but I'm not a fan of him at all.  I believe his personality is toxic, his moral character is corrupt, and he is egotistical and arrogant.  I don't think he is healthy for the country and his loud mouth kept him from being more effective.  He wasn't a bad president, but he was nowhere close to the best ever.

If anyone is going to respond, please differentiate between not understanding what I wrote and not agreeing with it.  You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I know there are people who violently disagree with me.  Disagreement makes the world go around.

Closet authoritarian?  No, not even close.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 18, 2022, 08:10:47 PM
A lot of faux conservatives spend their days pretending to intellectualize their hatred of President Trump.

It's still just bullshit designed to serve their egos.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2022, 04:43:56 AM
I guess I'm not a "never" Trumper since I did vote for him, but I'm not a fan of him at all.  I believe his personality is toxic, his moral character is corrupt, and he is egotistical and arrogant.  I don't think he is healthy for the country and his loud mouth kept him from being more effective.  He wasn't a bad president, but he was nowhere close to the best ever.

If anyone is going to respond, please differentiate between not understanding what I wrote and not agreeing with it.  You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I know there are people who violently disagree with me.  Disagreement makes the world go around.

Closet authoritarian?  No, not even close.
I'm not  a never Trumper either, since I voted for him TWICE.  But I do agree with your assessment of the man.

He COULD have been the best President ever  if he wasn't so toxic.  But I still consider RR the best President ever, and I really miss him still.  If Trump had Ronnie's personality, he would have been by far the GOAT of Presidents.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 05:05:20 AM
I guess I'm not a "never" Trumper since I did vote for him, but I'm not a fan of him at all.  I believe his personality is toxic, his moral character is corrupt, and he is egotistical and arrogant.  I don't think he is healthy for the country and his loud mouth kept him from being more effective.  He wasn't a bad president, but he was nowhere close to the best ever.

If anyone is going to respond, please differentiate between not understanding what I wrote and not agreeing with it.  You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I know there are people who violently disagree with me.  Disagreement makes the world go around.

Closet authoritarian?  No, not even close.

Your opinions of him don’t matter to me, what matters is you voted the right way.  You’re good by me.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2022, 05:50:01 AM
What matter most to me is what got accomplished in those four years.  I am sad that he turned Fauci loose and because of that we got lock downs. Fortunately, our Governor was smart enough to stop it early on.

Watching Biden work to destroy our country is beyond tough. I fear he is watching Canada and learning what else he can get away with and we will soon be headed down that path as the great reset is in process.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2022, 06:59:36 AM
What matter most to me is what got accomplished in those four years.  I am sad that he turned Fauci loose and because of that we got lock downs. Fortunately, our Governor was smart enough to stop it early on.

Watching Biden work to destroy our country is beyond tough. I fear he is watching Canada and learning what else he can get away with and we will soon be headed down that path as the great r
Hopefully, Trudeau gets his head handed to him by the truckers, and Biden learns from THAT.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 07:42:13 AM

Hopefully, Trudeau gets his head handed to him by the truckers, and Biden learns from THAT.

Nope. He’s doubling down on the tyranny. Unfortunately the House of Commons has enough votes to uphold his declaration of war against Canadian citizens.  They’ll vote to uphold it next week, and after it expires in 30 days it will likely be extended (just like “two weeks to flatten the curve”). 

Meanwhile the Canadian version of Homeland Security is permanently declaring cyber currency tools of white supremacy and terrorism.  That won’t be revoked and the U.S. will quickly follow suit.  People’s lives and businesses have been ruined by the media doxing anyone who donated anything to the truckers.  This is turning into a virtual genocide of people’s livelihoods, all because they don’t want vaccine mandates - while 90% of the truckers ARE vaccinated and vaccine mandates accomplish absolutely nothing.

All of this would have been resolved on the first day of Trudeau had met with the truckers like a man, listened to their concerns, and negotiated an end to the ruinous mandates.  This is outright hardening of absolute power and nothing else. The Democrats in the U.S. are salivating at it. They love seeing a jackboot come down on the necks of the very people who grow and transport food to their urban mansions.  The serfs must be kept in their place.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2022, 07:54:32 AM
I think of all the liberal and rino assholes who lied out their asses saying the senile imposter was 'moderate.'

He is moderate like nancy the pig ran the most honorable house in history.

Once you intentionally decide to embrace the stupidest lie a liberal can babble,
the rest of their lies go down like mothers milk.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 19, 2022, 07:57:08 AM
I'm not  a never Trumper either, since I voted for him TWICE.  But I do agree with your assessment of the man.

He COULD have been the best President ever  if he wasn't so toxic.  But I still consider RR the best President ever, and I really miss him still.  If Trump had Ronnie's personality, he would have been by far the GOAT of Presidents.
If Trump had RR's personality he would have lost to Killary.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 19, 2022, 07:58:07 AM
What matter most to me is what got accomplished in those four years.  I am sad that he turned Fauci loose and because of that we got lock downs. Fortunately, our Governor was smart enough to stop it early on.

Watching Biden work to destroy our country is beyond tough. I fear he is watching Canada and learning what else he can get away with and we will soon be headed down that path as the great reset is in process.

If anyone wonders what side the cops and military will take, just look at Ottawa.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2022, 09:10:59 AM
I stopped reading National Review in 2016 when it became evident it was just a den of anti-Trumpers and false conservatives.

I followed French for a while. He was a US Army JAG Officer, so I have him some slack when he said something stupid. I started ignoring him 8 years ago, but apparently he’s become quite a dick to real conservatives, evangelistic Christians, and of course Trump supporters.

The article shows French and people like him going through the death throes of trying to remain relevant. He should be put out of his misery.

Major Pastors Rebuke David French Over His Repeated Criticism Of Churches And ‘White Evangelicals’
 https://www.dailywire.com/news/major-pastors-rebuke-david-french-over-his-repeated-criticism-of-churches-and-white-evangelicals


French, George Will, Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, and many others were always conservative hustlers, just in it for the money.   Prostitutes of their profession.

 They are wannabes that want a place at the table of the establishment elite Uniparty.  It took a President like Trump to expose them.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
If Trump had RR's personality he would have lost to Killary.
That’s a great point.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 19, 2022, 09:24:42 AM
Your opinions of him don’t matter to me, what matters is you voted the right way.  You’re good by me.

Looks like I'm no good, then, since I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen in 2020.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
I guess I'm not a "never" Trumper since I did vote for him, but I'm not a fan of him at all.  I believe his personality is toxic, his moral character is corrupt, and he is egotistical and arrogant.  I don't think he is healthy for the country and his loud mouth kept him from being more effective.  He wasn't a bad president, but he was nowhere close to the best ever.

If anyone is going to respond, please differentiate between not understanding what I wrote and not agreeing with it.  You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I know there are people who violently disagree with me.  Disagreement makes the world go around.

Closet authoritarian?  No, not even close.
Your second sentence could be applied verbatim to Obama. If you don’t agree, then it’s just a matter of perspective. If you do agree, then we probably need to accept that anyone running for that office has to have certain character traits that are off-putting to a large number of people. 

Who were you speaking about in your last sentence regarding being a closet authoritarian? 
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
Looks like I'm no good, then, since I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen in 2020.

No, voting for libertarians qualifies as a correct vote, to me.  Basically anybody but the current crop of fascist Democrats.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Old Crow on February 19, 2022, 10:57:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3qYHWRIZk
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Anthony on February 19, 2022, 11:44:52 AM
No, voting for libertarians qualifies as a correct vote, to me.  Basically anybody but the current crop of fascist Democrats.

But it takes away critical votes from the Republican who is often a RINO so we're fucked no matter what.  Elite vs everyone else.  Most Republicans suck too.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 11:59:32 AM
But it takes away critical votes from the Republican who is often a RINO so we're fucked no matter what.  Elite vs everyone else.  Most Republicans suck too.

But I’m not going to make an enemy of everyone who votes differently than I do. Just those who vote directly for the biggest tyranny threat.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2022, 12:27:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3qYHWRIZk
Brutally honest Trump supporter?  People show that clip, but I don’t know why. I presume it’s from some movie. Fairly offensive when he says we lead the world who believe that Angels exist.  Religious belief systems have been held for thousands of years, long before the US was conceived.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2022, 01:38:34 PM
More examples of worthless republicans.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/17/four-senate-republicans-fail-to-show-up-for-vote-on-amendment-defunding-vaccine-mandates-ensuring-failure/
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
A lot of faux conservatives spend their days pretending to intellectualize their hatred of President Trump.

It's still just bullshit designed to serve their egos.

Nothing faux about it. I’m not a conservative, I am a libertarian. That might be the spice of your confusion.

The bullshit is you assuming we’re all like you.  God save us. 
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2022, 05:58:09 PM
More examples of worthless republicans.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/17/four-senate-republicans-fail-to-show-up-for-vote-on-amendment-defunding-vaccine-mandates-ensuring-failure/
Fucking worthless cunts.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2022, 06:13:40 PM
Fucking worthless cunts.

Exactly why the premise of a Speaker McCarthy makes me nauseous.  He will be no different than his mentor Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2022, 07:14:37 PM
Nothing faux about it. I’m not a conservative, I am a libertarian. That might be the spice of your confusion.

The bullshit is you assuming we’re all like you.  God save us.

What you are is a thin skinned, pathetic, Little twat.

But make believe all you want...
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2022, 07:33:55 AM
What you are is a thin skinned, pathetic, Little twat.

Didn't we go down this road before and determined that in the insult game, you're the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck?  You're an amateur and can only resort to crude language.  The most base animal can snort and grunt and your ranting doesn't rise much above that standard.  Challenge - try it without vulgarity and see if you can still insult someone.

But make believe all you want...

Make believe what?  That I'm not a conservative?  That I'm a libertarian and a liberal, a lover of freedom?  That I intensely dislike Trump?  No make believe required, all are true.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2022, 07:48:27 AM

Make believe what?  That I'm not a conservative?  That I'm a libertarian and a liberal, a lover of freedom?  That I intensely dislike Trump?  No make believe required, all are true.

Somebody said, "Trump supporters take what he says seriously but not literally. People who hate Trump take what he says literally but not seriously."

Is that your problem with Trump?  His tone? His exaggerations and outward personality?  How do you feel about what he actually DOES.  Like secure the border, get us energy independent, keep us out of foreign conflict, show a position of strength to our enemies, and so on.

Also, when you say you're "a libertarian (I understand that part), a liberal, and a lover of freedom,"  when you say "liberal" do you refer to what the liberal ideal is, and not what the so-called liberal parties are actually DOING. 

Russell Brand nails it.  The Canadian Liberal government is anything but. It is jackboot thuggery.  So when you say you're liberal, do you side with them?  If I may presume, since you actually voted for Trump, you side with populists. It sounds as if Brand is beginning to see that the populist movement is the one now espousing the actual values that once were liberal - freedom for the common man.

Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 20, 2022, 08:57:38 AM
flynnee is exactly how he acts, which is the exact opposite of his he man, woman hater, toxic behavior online.

flynnee is an egomaniac that suffers from a massive inferiority complex that forces him to lash out like a ten year old with lazy parents. His ego is so toxic that he actually believes he is the smartest person in the room and that anyone who says differently is the enemy.

His rants are nearly as pathetic as mikey Weinstein aka: steingar and his lack of originality is every bit as pathetic.

When he proclaims his political affiliation you already know the opposite is true. Just like mikey and aunt peggy his ego shields him from the truth about himself.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 20, 2022, 09:32:14 AM
flynnee is exactly how he acts, which is the exact opposite of his he man, woman hater, toxic behavior online.

flynnee is an egomaniac that suffers from a massive inferiority complex that forces him to lash out like a ten year old with lazy parents. His ego is so toxic that he actually believes he is the smartest person in the room and that anyone who says differently is the enemy.

His rants are nearly as pathetic as mikey Weinstein aka: steingar and his lack of originality is every bit as pathetic.

When he proclaims his political affiliation you already know the opposite is true. Just like mikey and aunt peggy his ego shields him from the truth about himself.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-46ThgvQL3lo/UBCmiVWyHtI/AAAAAAAAAAc/tz-Mz62PSjQ/s1600/Low+Score+Judges.jpg)
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2022, 11:51:47 AM
Classic liberal.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 20, 2022, 12:06:23 PM
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That’s me holding up the 0.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 20, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Classic liberal.

Moron.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
Moron.

Don’t be a hater
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2022, 07:26:21 PM
Somebody said, "Trump supporters take what he says seriously but not literally. People who hate Trump take what he says literally but not seriously."

Is that your problem with Trump?  His tone? His exaggerations and outward personality?  How do you feel about what he actually DOES.  Like secure the border, get us energy independent, keep us out of foreign conflict, show a position of strength to our enemies, and so on.

It has nothing to do with taking him seriously or not.  It is his tactics, his hatred, his ego. He is divisive, which makes him no better than Biden or Obama.  His big mouth gets him in trouble and he is ineffective.

He didn’t secure the border, he built 450 miles of the border wall and he had to take the money from the military housing fund to do it.  Meanwhile, Mexico still isn’t paying for it.

We aren’t energy independent. True, in part because Biden’s handlers backed it out, but also because what he did wasn’t a solution. It was a patch and it failed.

Most of all, all of the above means he lost to Joe Biden and now we are suffering under a Democrat govt and he is trying to do it again. He is the Democrat’s MVP.

Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: elwood blues on February 20, 2022, 07:47:44 PM
It has nothing to do with taking him seriously or not.  It is his tactics, his hatred, his ego. He is divisive, which makes him no better than Biden or Obama.  His big mouth gets him in trouble and he is ineffective.

He is the Democrat’s MVP.

Every once in a while you post something semi-intelligent, but this is full on retard.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2022, 08:11:48 PM
Classic liberal.

So according to Wikipedia this is classical liberalism.  Bold is my emphasis:

“Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market, civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on limited government, economic freedom, and political freedom with cultural liberalism. It was developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanization and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and North America.”

Sounds exactly like Trump populism, except “cultural liberalism” back then didn’t mean what it does today. What it meant then was that victimless behavior should not be forbidden by law. In other words, don’t impose your moral codes on me, if I’m minding my own business and not hurting you. It should not be illegal to be gay for example. What it means today is the reverse; that laws should be imposed to force society to change to fit certain anointed behaviors such as forcing female athletic teams to allow biological males to compete, force you to use “they”, force bakers to make cakes for gay weddings.

But, back when the term “classical liberal” was initially used, abortions were legal everywhere up to quickening (15-20 weeks) and all drugs were legal. People grew opium poppies in their yards. So America really did begin as classically liberal in every sense of the word, most especially in the free market which is what made us grow so great. Of course they had yet to extend political freedom to blacks who were still slaves but that required the change of recognizing them as fully human which was not initially the case.

So-called liberals today are the very opposite of the classic liberal.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2022, 08:39:41 PM
It has nothing to do with taking him seriously or not.  It is his tactics, his hatred, his ego. He is divisive, which makes him no better than Biden or Obama.  His big mouth gets him in trouble and he is ineffective.

He didn’t secure the border, he built 450 miles of the border wall and he had to take the money from the military housing fund to do it.  Meanwhile, Mexico still isn’t paying for it.

We aren’t energy independent. True, in part because Biden’s handlers backed it out, but also because what he did wasn’t a solution. It was a patch and it failed.

Most of all, all of the above means he lost to Joe Biden and now we are suffering under a Democrat govt and he is trying to do it again. He is the Democrat’s MVP.

I live in Texas, I know the difference between the border under Trump and the border under Biden. As for getting Mexico to pay for the wall, this is exactly what I mean by taking what he says literally. He negotiated trade deals with Mexico that favored us and in that way “pays” for the wall.  Only idiots took that to mean Mexico would write us a check with “wall” on the memo.  He also got Mexico to enforce its southern border, stopping the flow from central and South America which they stopped doing with Biden.

Energy independence wasn’t a patch, it was a series of policies that favored our own offshore drilling, keystone pipeline, and rolling back regulations. Again, live in Texas amongst a bunch of oil refineries. People here know which side their bread is buttered on, meaning, they vote for who supports oil, and it isn’t the Democrats.

The only thing I agree with you on is he has a huge ego.  But hatred?  YGBFSM!  Divisive? How can you say that with a straight face? He’s the target of hate and division. Relentless attacks from THE most vicious hate filled group of people I’ve seen in my entire life:  The left of today.  Trump is a fluffy kitten compared to them.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 20, 2022, 10:10:59 PM
It has nothing to do with taking him seriously or not.  It is his tactics, his hatred, his ego. He is divisive, which makes him no better than Biden or Obama.  His big mouth gets him in trouble and he is ineffective.

He didn’t secure the border, he built 450 miles of the border wall and he had to take the money from the military housing fund to do it.  Meanwhile, Mexico still isn’t paying for it.

We aren’t energy independent. True, in part because Biden’s handlers backed it out, but also because what he did wasn’t a solution. It was a patch and it failed.

Most of all, all of the above means he lost to Joe Biden and now we are suffering under a Democrat govt and he is trying to do it again. He is the Democrat’s MVP.
Sorry, but this sounds like textbook Trump Derangement Syndrome. As someone said in another post, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own facts.

Hated of whom?  The people who tried to destroy him?  Show me a man who wouldn’t hate his destructors. 

The border?  The same people who embraced shutting the border during Bush’s terms fought tooth and nail to prevent closing the border. He implemented the “Stay in Mexico” policy which Biden terminated on day 1.

What “patch” did Trump use to make us energy independent for the first time in the last 45 years? I’ll wait for your answer.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Anthony on February 21, 2022, 03:36:02 AM
Trump was our best shot at freedom, liberty, economic prosperity, energy independence, secure border, lower taxes, etc. His policies were excellent.  So he sent mean tweets in response to attacks.  So what.

You're wrong Flynn.  Again.
 
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 21, 2022, 05:18:30 AM
It has nothing to do with taking him seriously or not.  It is his tactics, his hatred, his ego. He is divisive, which makes him no better than Biden or Obama.  His big mouth gets him in trouble and he is ineffective.

He didn’t secure the border, he built 450 miles of the border wall and he had to take the money from the military housing fund to do it.  Meanwhile, Mexico still isn’t paying for it.

We aren’t energy independent. True, in part because Biden’s handlers backed it out, but also because what he did wasn’t a solution. It was a patch and it failed.

Most of all, all of the above means he lost to Joe Biden and now we are suffering under a Democrat govt and he is trying to do it again. He is the Democrat’s MVP.

sounds like you are blaming President Trump for the illegal and immoral actions of the democrats.

sounds like you are blaming President Trump for the hatred and lies spewed by the democrats.

Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 21, 2022, 06:11:51 AM
sounds like you are blaming President Trump for the illegal and immoral actions of the democrats.

sounds like you are blaming President Trump for the hatred and lies spewed by the democrats.

Nope.  I'm blaming Trump for his actions, which enabled the Democrats.  It could have been the biggest sweep, but his ego caused him to lose to a senile old man who didn't even really campaign.  Trump beat himself, he started losing his reelection the moment he was elected.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 21, 2022, 06:22:49 AM
Nope.  I'm blaming Trump for his actions, which enabled the Democrats.  It could have been the biggest sweep, but his ego caused him to lose to a senile old man who didn't even really campaign.  Trump beat himself, he started losing his reelection the moment he was elected.

Here we go again.  It was the biggest sweep.  A mere half dozen blue cities with illegal mail in ballots and drop off boxes are able to flip the election and we have Democrats bragging about how they did just that. Why are you in such deep denial about that?
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 21, 2022, 07:02:43 AM
Lots of videos of illegal ballot harvesting that took place here in Georgia, not to mention all the other shenanigans. 


www.gaballots.com
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Username on February 21, 2022, 07:20:49 AM
Nope.  I'm blaming Trump for his actions, which enabled the Democrats.  It could have been the biggest sweep, but his ego caused him to lose to a senile old man who didn't even really campaign.  Trump beat himself, he started losing his reelection the moment he was elected.
I think that the thing that happened was that Trump was something that the highly diverse and divided democrats could unite against in hate.  From WAY before the election, all the various groups lined up against him.  And the RINOs at best did nothing.  At worst they were Never Trumps.  He didn't enable the democrats, he united them.  I don't like his style and cringed every time he put out a tweet.  But wow was it fun to watch the Pavlovian reaction from the left as they overreacted to everything he did or said.  And he did get the job done that needed doing.  The democrats and republicans were all fat and happy going through the motions of appeasing the masses.  He put the country back on a path to prosperity for all.  Minorities made their greatest gains in income and wealth in generations.  He did secure the border the best he could against radical judges.  He leveled the playing field with our "trade partners."  He made the USA respected again.  No new wars and drawdown of the forever wars.

Ultimately it wasn't democrats or republicans, but COVID that brought him down.  Despite the massive forces aligned against him, he would have gone down as the most respected and successful president in a long time.  But he took the advice of Foochi and did what the "experts" told him was the right thing.  And that is why he lost the election.  Not because Biden was better, not because of anything he did, but because of a stupid virus.

Now we're seeing the democrats running off in different directions trying to out radical each other.  The many different groups are no longer united.  Unfortunately the republicans are not united either.  They are sitting back and will win not because of anything they are doing, but because they are doing nothing.  And they are happy about that.  I think it is Wilcow that says "democrats want power, republicans want position."

The first year of Trump was an amazing time for the country.  In a good way.  No, he didn't hate (no proof of that anywhere), he wasn't xenophobic (no proof of that anywhere), he didn't hate women (no proof of that anywhere, barring some ill-advised locker-room talk that all men do).  Yeah, his style was not the style that I would choose for a president.  But I'll take that and all he did to improve the country vs the doddering old puppet fool that we have now.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 21, 2022, 07:50:22 AM
Here we go again.  It was the biggest sweep.  A mere half dozen blue cities with illegal mail in ballots and drop off boxes are able to flip the election and we have Democrats bragging about how they did just that. Why are you in such deep denial about that?

Because he is a fucking liberal troll who spent 2016 campaigning on here for people to vote for the centrist democrat....
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 21, 2022, 08:15:58 AM
Here we go again.  It was the biggest sweep.  A mere half dozen blue cities with illegal mail in ballots and drop off boxes are able to flip the election and we have Democrats bragging about how they did just that. Why are you in such deep denial about that?

I'm not rearguing this again, it's pointless. 

Denial? I'm not in denial, it's just not proven. Bring evidence and I'm on board.  But it's a year and a half later and there's not enough.

I believe there was probably both hanky and panky going on in Georgia.  I further believe that Democrats will probably be emboldened by 2020 and try it even bigger in 2024.  So, what are Republicans going to do about it?  Run the same guy that half the country hates and hope for a different result?  Insanity.  Against Biden, it shouldn't have even been close. 

Can you count on Kamala continuing to throw pitches in the dirt for the next 3 years and the media not covering it? 

Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Lucifer on February 21, 2022, 08:21:55 AM
I'm not rearguing this again, it's pointless. 

Denial? I'm not in denial, it's just not proven. Bring evidence and I'm on board.  But it's a year and a half later and there's not enough.

I believe there was probably both hanky and panky going on in Georgia.  I further believe that Democrats will probably be emboldened by 2020 and try it even bigger in 2024.  So, what are Republicans going to do about it?  Run the same guy that half the country hates and hope for a different result?  Insanity.  Against Biden, it shouldn't have even been close. 

Can you count on Kamala continuing to throw pitches in the dirt for the next 3 years and the media not covering it?


  You're desperate for attention again.   ::)
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 21, 2022, 09:23:21 AM
I'm not rearguing this again, it's pointless. 

Denial? I'm not in denial, it's just not proven. Bring evidence and I'm on board.  But it's a year and a half later and there's not enough.

I believe there was probably both hanky and panky going on in Georgia.  I further believe that Democrats will probably be emboldened by 2020 and try it even bigger in 2024.  So, what are Republicans going to do about it?  Run the same guy that half the country hates and hope for a different result?  Insanity.  Against Biden, it shouldn't have even been close. 

Can you count on Kamala continuing to throw pitches in the dirt for the next 3 years and the media not covering it?

The issue isn’t Trump himself so much as Trump is an outsider.  That’s why the intensity of attack and attempts to bring him down. He was - still is - a credible threat to the status quo. The Democrat and Republican parties both have grown Federal government to unacceptable size and power over the common citizen. That’s the singular idea Trump taps into.

If he runs in 2024 it won’t be so much that the Republicans “decide” to run him, it’s that they can’t stop him.  There has been a lot of election securing going on at local and state levels and we are now hyper alert to the cheating, so it will be a lot harder for the Dems to pull it off again. Wisconsin just outlawed ballot drop boxes for example.

The Democrats aren’t emboldened so much as desperate. They know they’ve been caught and exposed. And they know a huge red wave is coming.  Their only pathway now is forcibly hanging on to power. This is why they are purging the military. I’m afraid they’re going to use some excuse to declare a national emergency just before the midterms to justly doing something like Trudeau did and also suspend elections. Probably having to do with Russia and the Ukraine. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden has already called Putin on the red phone and invited him to lob a small nuke into some red state oh, sometime in October would be nice.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 21, 2022, 09:29:02 AM
You're desperate for attention again.   ::)

lol.  If I wanted attention, I'd be here every day posting every inane thing I came across.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 21, 2022, 09:36:34 AM
The issue isn’t Trump himself so much as Trump is an outsider. 

It's a bunch of things.  It just starts with Trump.

Then it's the Republicans who don't recognize how the rest of the world sees him.  We get that you love him.  But you don't get the number of people that absolutely hate him.  Given a choice between Trump and a senile VP, more people said "well, maybe Biden won't be so bad". 

Trump's only chance is if Democrats put up a bigger dud than Biden and even then I think it's a toss up.  Choose Trump as your candidate at your peril.  Or, our peril.  If the Democrat is at all better than Biden, you're sunk.

Democrats are desperate because they've been outed as socialist and fascists.  Now is when they get really nasty.  They've been building themselves to this for decades.  As Trump's election goes, so goes the country and I don't like his odds.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Lucifer on February 21, 2022, 09:42:04 AM
lol.  If I wanted attention, I'd be here every day posting every inane thing I came across.

  So lame, but when it's all ya got............

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Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Username on February 21, 2022, 09:53:02 AM
Then it's the Republicans who don't recognize how the rest of the world sees him.  We get that you love him.  But you don't get the number of people that absolutely hate him.  Given a choice between Trump and a senile VP, more people said "well, maybe Biden won't be so bad". 
It's pretty clear that you hate Trump.  But why?  What did Trump do that you hate?  Do you hate Trump the person or Trump the president?  That is, who he is or what he did?  Or attempted to do?  I've never seen a coherent argument backed up by actual facts for Trump hatred.  I'm giving you the opportunity to educate us.  Why do you hate Trump?
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
Sorry, but this sounds like textbook Trump Derangement Syndrome. As someone said in another post, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own facts.

Hated of whom?  The people who tried to destroy him?  Show me a man who wouldn’t hate his destructors. 

The border?  The same people who embraced shutting the border during Bush’s terms fought tooth and nail to prevent closing the border. He implemented the “Stay in Mexico” policy which Biden terminated on day 1.

What “patch” did Trump use to make us energy independent for the first time in the last 45 years? I’ll wait for your answer.
Any answers to my questions?
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 21, 2022, 11:40:10 AM
It's a bunch of things.  It just starts with Trump.

Then it's the Republicans who don't recognize how the rest of the world sees him.  We get that you love him.  But you don't get the number of people that absolutely hate him.  Given a choice between Trump and a senile VP, more people said "well, maybe Biden won't be so bad". 

Trump's only chance is if Democrats put up a bigger dud than Biden and even then I think it's a toss up.  Choose Trump as your candidate at your peril.  Or, our peril.  If the Democrat is at all better than Biden, you're sunk.

Democrats are desperate because they've been outed as socialist and fascists.  Now is when they get really nasty.  They've been building themselves to this for decades.  As Trump's election goes, so goes the country and I don't like his odds.

Like I said, I have no problem with your opinions as long as you vote the right way. You’re on the right side, if you’re against the socialist fascist Democrats, and I get that you think Trump just made them worse.  But they were getting worse anyway.  Trump energized the populism smoldering among the middle and working class, that no Republican (or Democrat) had done in a long time.  The forgotten man had nowhere to turn and was in danger of giving up in despair. Remember the certainty Hillary would win in 2016?  Do you think there was a chance any other of the candidates would have beaten Hillary?  Do you think we would be better off now if Hillary had won?

My take on you is you live in the city IIRC, and/or just work around too many liberals or are otherwise exposed to the constant stream of propaganda giving you these weird ideas like we don’t recognize how the world sees Trump.  “The world” is basically like the U.S. in that there are fascist leftists and there are people who recognize when someone is for the common man, and those types love Trump.  But you have to be open to sources other than mainstream international media to find them, because most of international media are also globalists.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 21, 2022, 11:43:03 AM
I’ll tell you why people hate President Trump so vitriolically. It’s because their vast media, which they voluntarily allowed to mesmerize them, spent around $2 billion every DAY for four or five years to make them hate him.

Many clips exist of coordinated legacy media talking points … “it’s the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency,” “no evidence exists of Hillary Clinton spying on Trump,” and of course all the repeated out-of-context clips of President Trump doing or saying something that the media then embroidered with pure fiction. And all of this 24/7.

If you invented a useful widget, you could sell it quite successfully and profit with way less than a million in advertising. With a mere $20 million you could make your product a household word and literally impervious to a competitor.

Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Number7 on February 21, 2022, 11:52:28 AM
  So lame, but when it's all ya got............

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With him it’s all he’s ever had and all he’ll ever have.

He’s a troll, pretending to be thoughtful and serious in a lame attempt to feel smart and superior.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Little Joe on February 21, 2022, 01:14:47 PM
I’ll tell you why people hate President Trump so vitriolically. It’s because their vast media, which they voluntarily allowed to mesmerize them, spent around $2 billion every DAY for four or five years to make them hate him.

Many clips exist of coordinated legacy media talking points … “it’s the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency,” “no evidence exists of Hillary Clinton spying on Trump,” and of course all the repeated out-of-context clips of President Trump doing or saying something that the media then embroidered with pure fiction. And all of this 24/7.

If you invented a useful widget, you could sell it quite successfully and profit with way less than a million in advertising. With a mere $20 million you could make your product a household word and literally impervious to a competitor.
That is one of the most true posts I have seen in a while.

But while that is true, it is also true that they were so successful that millions and millions of people really do hate him.  Whether it is his fault or not, he is damaged goods and I can not for the life of me imagine him winning again.  If, as you said, you can make a product impervious to a competitor, you can also thoroughly trash a product beyond recognition.  And that is what they did to Trump.  Trump's main fault was that he made it easy for them to do that.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
Like I said, I have no problem with your opinions as long as you vote the right way. You’re on the right side, if you’re against the socialist fascist Democrats, and I get that you think Trump just made them worse.  But they were getting worse anyway.  Trump energized the populism smoldering among the middle and working class, that no Republican (or Democrat) had done in a long time.  The forgotten man had nowhere to turn and was in danger of giving up in despair. Remember the certainty Hillary would win in 2016?  Do you think there was a chance any other of the candidates would have beaten Hillary?  Do you think we would be better off now if Hillary had won?

My take on you is you live in the city IIRC, and/or just work around too many liberals or are otherwise exposed to the constant stream of propaganda giving you these weird ideas like we don’t recognize how the world sees Trump.  “The world” is basically like the U.S. in that there are fascist leftists and there are people who recognize when someone is for the common man, and those types love Trump.  But you have to be open to sources other than mainstream international media to find them, because most of international media are also globalists.
I was pacing through my phone to find out when one of our Labs was born, and I ran across a bunch of memes in 2016 where I was ridiculing Trump. I was a Cruze campaigner in Wisconsin. How wrong I was.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: nddons on February 21, 2022, 01:34:23 PM
That is one of the most true posts I have seen in a while.

But while that is true, it is also true that they were so successful that millions and millions of people really do hate him.  Whether it is his fault or not, he is damaged goods and I can not for the life of me imagine him winning again.  If, as you said, you can make a product impervious to a competitor, you can also thoroughly trash a product beyond recognition.  And that is what they did to Trump.  Trump's main fault was that he made it easy for them to do that.
Here’s where your idea falls down.

You would think a New York millionaire teal estate developer would be the darling of the millionaire class, the coastal elite, and the white collar worker.

Trump destroyed that model and narrative.

This New York millionaire real estate developer embraced, and in turn was embraced by, the blue collar, hard working man from middle America. The very group the democrats claim to own, Trump got their support for his policies, but also for his love of ordinary people.

I’ve never seen anything by like it. He destroyed the paradigm.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 21, 2022, 01:39:03 PM
I was pacing through my phone to find out when one of our Labs was born, and I ran across a bunch of memes in 2016 where I was ridiculing Trump. I was a Cruze campaigner in Wisconsin. How wrong I was.

I voted for Marco Rubio in the primary for chrissakes.  Ugh.  But of course had to hold my nose and vote for Trump against Hitlery.  When he won I printed out a hard copy of his “contract with the American voter” and to my total shock he started keeping promise after promise.  I never cared what he tweeted or whether he said “pussy” once in the past.  I only cared about actions.  Much like I don’t care what Flynn says, only how he actually votes.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Little Joe on February 21, 2022, 03:01:10 PM
Here’s where your idea falls down.

You would think a New York millionaire teal estate developer would be the darling of the millionaire class, the coastal elite, and the white collar worker.

Trump destroyed that model and narrative.

This New York millionaire real estate developer embraced, and in turn was embraced by, the blue collar, hard working man from middle America. The very group the democrats claim to own, Trump got their support for his policies, but also for his love of ordinary people.

I’ve never seen anything by like it. He destroyed the paradigm.
Rather than refute my point, you reinforce it.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 21, 2022, 08:08:19 PM
That is one of the most true posts I have seen in a while.

But while that is true, it is also true that they were so successful that millions and millions of people really do hate him.  Whether it is his fault or not, he is damaged goods and I can not for the life of me imagine him winning again.  If, as you said, you can make a product impervious to a competitor, you can also thoroughly trash a product beyond recognition.  And that is what they did to Trump.  Trump's main fault was that he made it easy for them to do that.
But, could it be possible that people might be seeing through that bull shit at this point?  I know lots of people are seeing through the while COVID crap at this point.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 21, 2022, 08:10:04 PM
I voted for Marco Rubio in the primary for chrissakes.  Ugh.  But of course had to hold my nose and vote for Trump against Hitlery.  When he won I printed out a hard copy of his “contract with the American voter” and to my total shock he started keeping promise after promise.  I never cared what he tweeted or whether he said “pussy” once in the past.  I only cared about actions.  Much like I don’t care what Flynn says, only how he actually votes.


Do you have a copy of that you could post for us?  Yes, I guess I'm too lazy to look it up ;)
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: bflynn on February 21, 2022, 08:15:09 PM
Like I said, I have no problem with your opinions as long as you vote the right way.

I don't think it will matter how I vote.  I believe the majority of the country - by a slim margin - does not want Trump as president and given the choice again, they will hope for something better.  For him to win, the Democrat has to be worse than Joe Biden and I'm not convinced Democrats can find someone like that.

But it's a long way to 2024.
Title: Re: The Death Throes of The Never-Trumpers
Post by: Rush on February 21, 2022, 08:46:41 PM


Do you have a copy of that you could post for us?  Yes, I guess I'm too lazy to look it up ;)

I have my hard copy but I searched my computers and couldn't find it.  I don't know what I printed it from.  But then I googled it and here it is, with formatting not on my copy, but all the same stuff.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf