PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 04, 2017, 07:08:14 AM
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/12/04/the-mainstream-media-doesnt-deserve-our-respect-or-our-trust-n2417565
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Couple things here.
1) That was a very good opinion piece about the failure of the liberal MSM.
2) They won't care. It's worth the loss of respect if they can get just one more semi-independent thinker to lean left.
3) Since this kind of thinking permeates the media, the advertisers have no options. They will still buy time on ABC, NBC, CNN, etc. i heard a rumor that ad rates for CNN were actually going up in 2018. Wow, that takes some kind of balls, to have your audience shrinking, but charge more for ad time. Sadly, we know that CNN is the only thing that the rest of the world watches, so while they have no audience in the US, their intl audience is huge.
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Sadly, we know that CNN is the only thing that the rest of the world watches, so while they have no audience in the US, their intl audience is huge.
It is sad that the only network that gets aired internationally is an America Hating network. I guess they world thinks we hate ourselves. They are more than happy to go along with that, mostly out of petty jealousy.
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It is sad that the only network that gets aired internationally is an America Hating network. I guess they world thinks we hate ourselves. They are more than happy to go along with that, mostly out of petty jealousy.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/acosta-journalists-attacked-journalists-resist/
CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta on Monday continued to vocally criticize President Donald Trump and his attacks on the media.
During the inaugural Poynter Journalism Ethics Summit, which is "intended to focus on strengthening political reporting and increasing trust in the media," Acosta commented on his behavior while reporting, behavior that has been criticized by some of his own CNN colleagues.
Acosta seemed to speak for all reporters, saying they are not part of the "resistance," but added, "When journalists are attacked, journalists have to resist."
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http://freebeacon.com/politics/acosta-journalists-attacked-journalists-resist/
The level of self-importance of politicians, news media, athletes, and entertainers is stunning in its delusion.
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I just had to point this out, it was so weird.
Top story Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/22/sessions-orders-doj-review-after-report-obama-administration-gave-hezbollah-pass.html
Sessions investigates Obama admin for their looking the other way on Hezbollah drug/money laundering actions.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/oprah-warns-her-social-media-followers-online-imposters-030004295--abc-news-topstories.html
Yahoo. com: Oprah warns her fans of a fraud website with her name associated with it.
Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. I just can't believe that yahoo is so in the bag for BO and Hillary. It's scary amazing.
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Yahoo.com updated their news feed. Now it's got a new report - on Miss America scandal.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-organization-loses-tv-partner-over-emails-025046937.html
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Most of our information goes through the Liberal/Progressive Dem shill FILTER. Google, Yahoo, MSN, Comcast, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, NYT, AP, Washpo, Reuters. All far left biased information filters. There are a few alternative sources, but we are losing the battle horribly. Kids hear this crap, then get it reinforced in school.
Those who the control information, and message, and can generate the propaganda will ultimately win. So now we have New York, D.C., L.A., Silicon Valley, and Seattle controlling 95% of the information flow, and content. You tell me how those areas vastly lean.
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It always amazes me when I hear CNN or similar news outlet proclaim that "9x% of Americans think (something bad of Trump).
Of course they do. They hear that from CNN or similar news outlets all day every day. What else are they going to think.
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It always amazes me when I hear CNN or similar news outlet proclaim that "9x% of Americans think (something bad of Trump).
Of course they do. They hear that from CNN or similar news outlets all day every day. What else are they going to think.
They only poll the people they know will give the answers they want as do all the other left wing biased media outlets (95% of the media). Oldest trick in the book. Advertise X% hate Trump, over, and over, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In my local rag's website, there are at least three, or four anti Trump articles daily. All are just speculation, and conjecture, but they promote it as "news", so many believe the lies.
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They only poll the people they know will give the answers they want as do all the other left wing biased media outlets (95% of the media). Oldest trick in the book. Advertise X% hate Trump, over, and over, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In my local rag's website, there are at least three, or four anti Trump articles daily. All are just speculation, and conjecture, but they promote it as "news", so many believe the lies.
In the hotel lounge yesterday they had on CNN. It was the usual Trump bash, with the pundits going on and on about how Americans are very nervous having Trump in the WH, and how he can't get anything accomplished. They were pontificating on the tax bill and predicting Armageddon.
I've began getting vocal in these establishments when they have this trash on the TV. I ask where is the remote and can we watc h something else.
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It always amazes me when I hear CNN or similar news outlet proclaim that "9x% of Americans think (something bad of Trump).
Of course they do. They hear that from CNN or similar news outlets all day every day. What else are they going to think.
I get to talk to people from outside the US often. It's amazing some of the stuff they hear and believe about Trump, because all they get is a steady diet of CNN intl. I would say that the vast majority of non-US people think that Trump stole the election, is a Russian spy/puppet, and will be impeached in the next few months. Really, jaw-dropping kind of idiocy.
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I think it's fine. They don't have my trust or respect.
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Most of our information goes through the Liberal/Progressive Dem shill FILTER. Google, Yahoo, MSN, Comcast, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, NYT, AP, Washpo, Reuters. All far left biased information filters. There are a few alternative sources, but we are losing the battle horribly. Kids hear this crap, then get it reinforced in school.
Those who the control information, and message, and can generate the propaganda will ultimately win. So now we have New York, D.C., L.A., Silicon Valley, and Seattle controlling 95% of the information flow, and content. You tell me how those areas vastly lean.
My grand daughter is a student at LIGU and spent her first semester in Costa Rica. We saw her last weekend and my wife got to spend some time with her. She told my wife how great Costa Rica is and how good they are at wealth distribution. She spoke of how they wash and dry their own dishes and hang their clothes out to dry, etc. They were out shopping and saw a lady driving a pickup truck that was having a hard time parking it. She expressed to my wife about why the lady needed such a large vehicle and how bad it was for the environment, etc.
What's funny is the time we were there at their house I never saw her wash and dry one dish. Everything she touched went straight into the dishwasher. She really has been brainwashed to believe that the U.S. is some kind of evil empire. It is sad for me to see this. Back during the election she actually unfriended me from FB.
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They were out shopping and saw a lady driving a pickup truck that was having a hard time parking it. She expressed to my wife about why the lady needed such a large vehicle and how bad it was for the environment, etc.
What's funny is the time we were there at their house I never saw her wash and dry one dish. Everything she touched went straight into the dishwasher. She really has been brainwashed to believe that the U.S. is some kind of evil empire. It is sad for me to see this. Back during the election she actually unfriended me from FB.
It is the classic do as I say, not as I do Progressive mentality. They want all the social accolades of being anti Capitalism, anti Industrialism, and anti American yet want none of the sacrifices one would have to make to actually embrace all that crap. I hope she sees the light as she gets older, and out in the real world.
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My grand daughter is a student at LIGU and spent her first semester in Costa Rica. We saw her last weekend and my wife got to spend some time with her. She told my wife how great Costa Rica is and how good they are at wealth distribution. She spoke of how they wash and dry their own dishes and hang their clothes out to dry, etc. They were out shopping and saw a lady driving a pickup truck that was having a hard time parking it. She expressed to my wife about why the lady needed such a large vehicle and how bad it was for the environment, etc.
What's funny is the time we were there at their house I never saw her wash and dry one dish. Everything she touched went straight into the dishwasher. She really has been brainwashed to believe that the U.S. is some kind of evil empire. It is sad for me to see this. Back during the election she actually unfriended me from FB.
I would have asked her if she knew why that woman had a pickup truck.
Of course she would have no answer to that question.
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I would have asked her if she knew why that woman had a pickup truck.
Of course she would have no answer to that question.
Actually her other views about washing and drying dishes and hanging clothes out to dry shows she knows nothing of the history of this country and women entering the workforce and the feminist movement in general.
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Back home my sister is hosting my brother and his family for Christmas, sis is conservative/libertarian and brother is a progressive liberal. He almost lost his job (again) earlier this year because the company he's working for has been in a slump. It's an engineering firm and they aren't getting enough clients.
Anyway so my sister called me and said that he had news today. His company just got a big job because someone in Japan has decided to build a plant here in the U.S., it's like a six million dollar contract and now his job is secure, it's such good news that they were serving champagne at the office.
So my sister, having vowed to keep politics out of the holidays, just couldn't help herself. She said to our brother, "Well do you think Trump promising to bring jobs back to the U.S., and the tax plan that was just passed, has anything to do with your new job security?"
Naturally my brother cannot see reality staring him in the face. He says, no, none of that has anything to do with it. His weak argument is that it takes months to plan such a move. Nevermind that Trump won the election a year ago and nevermind that companies can have lots of plans on paper, what matters is when they pull the trigger. Pure coincidence they pulled the trigger on this the week the tax cuts for corporations are passed.
My brother, a good leftist, is blind to the connection between cutting corporate taxes and his own job security. In fact, during the Obama administration he was laid off twice and his 401K was flat. Since the election his investments are growing and now this new contract ensures his job for the foreseeable future yet he still willfully denies any connection between conservative fiscal policy and his own economic benefit.
And he votes against his own interests..... it boggles the mind...
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Naturally my brother cannot see reality staring him in the face. He says, no, none of that has anything to do with it.
When I bring up any new inudstrial expansion, or foreign investment in American jobs, or any of the other good economic news, all the liberals I know repeat the mantra "It would have happened anyway, because of Obama and the Democrats".
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My brother, a good leftist, is blind to the connection between cutting corporate taxes and his own job security. In fact, during the Obama administration he was laid off twice and his 401K was flat. Since the election his investments are growing and now this new contract ensures his job for the foreseeable future yet he still willfully denies any connection between conservative fiscal policy and his own economic benefit.
And he votes against his own interests..... it boggles the mind...
Pure, Progressive, Leftist, America Hating INDOCTRINATION. It is like a Religious Fundamentalist, think Muslim fanatic. They will spread the message, even if it means their own death.
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When I bring up any new inudstrial expansion, or foreign investment in American jobs, or any of the other good economic news, all the liberals I know repeat the mantra "It would have happened anyway, because of Obama and the Democrats".
That's like when I, and my company put cost saving measures in place in a large corporation. We get incentives based on money saved by our initiatives which we document completely. The client often says, "Oh, we can't count that as we were going to do that anyway." It is unethical, and untrue. It is just away to steal money.
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I can't wait until the 2018 elections. If the economy is doing well, so will the Rs. If not, then we will see another shift in power.
I am putting my money on the economy doing well. Much better than the Dems or the MSM is telling us.
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Advancing an economic agenda to a leftists is a losing proposition. They are about the social control, and personal policy agenda, and economics are a distant 10th or something. There is no connect between economics and social programs, and there hasn't been since 1932 with the 'new deal'. Because FDR brought the US out of the depression with massive, and huge spending programs, that type of thinking has only gained traction with the left. The term 'free market' is like nuclear fuel to the libs. Nothing can be allowed to be free. It must be controlled, shaped, formed, regulated, and come from the govt. Frex; see Net Neutrality. The most insidious control mechanism since the Patriot act.
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Advancing an economic agenda to a leftists is a losing proposition. They are about the social control, and personal policy agenda, and economics are a distant 10th or something. There is no connect between economics and social programs, and there hasn't been since 1932 with the 'new deal'. Because FDR brought the US out of the depression with massive, and huge spending programs, that type of thinking has only gained traction with the left. The term 'free market' is like nuclear fuel to the libs. Nothing can be allowed to be free. It must be controlled, shaped, formed, regulated, and come from the govt. Frex; see Net Neutrality. The most insidious control mechanism since the Patriot act.
FDR did not bring the US out of the depression with his programs, that's a progressive revisionary history in action. What brought the US out of the depression was WW2.
In fact had FDR left it alone the US would have emerged from the Great Depression in about two years, but because of his socialist progressive agenda and economic engineering the US wallowed in the depression for almost a decade.
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Read it again, carefully. If you think I was advocating that the 'new deal' you got it way wrong. Try not to project.
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FDR did not bring the US out of the depression with his programs, that's a progressive revisionary history in action. What brought the US out of the depression was WW2.
In fact had FDR left it alone the US would have emerged from the Great Depression in about two years, but because of his socialist progressive agenda and economic engineering the US wallowed in the depression for almost a decade.
Correct. As reinforced by Obama's multiple Trillion Dollar "Stimuli" and the lies about "shovel ready jobs". The money went to Wall St. and Green cronies, and UNION pension funds. They only extended the Recession, and led to very anemic economic growth.
Democrats, and Progressives largely don't like economic expansion for the masses, as it give them independence, and they don't need government, so are less likely to be CONTROLLED.
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Read it again, carefully. If you think I was advocating that the 'new deal' you got it way wrong. Try not to project.
Not projecting, you're back peddling (again).
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Not projecting, you're back peddling (again).
Whatev. How about leaving the chip off your shoulder for - oh, maybe a few minutes? I don't know why you have such a need to follow me around, but it's getting kind of weird.
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Whatev. How about leaving the chip off your shoulder for - oh, maybe a few minutes? I don't know why you have such a need to follow me around, but it's getting kind of weird.
You want to post absolute bullshit (such as your revisionist history) be prepared to be called out on it.
And since your paranoia is flaring up, no one is "following you around". This happens to be an open forum where anyone can reply to any post.
Get over yourself.
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Whatev. How about leaving the chip off your shoulder for - oh, maybe a few minutes? I don't know why you have such a need to follow me around, but it's getting kind of weird.
I don't think he is following you around. It is just that since this site is mostly conservative, it is not a target rich environment.
If you jump up with antlers on your head in the forest during deer season, you are going to get shot.
When you spout liberal shit here, you will be targeted.
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I don't think he is following you around. It is just that since this site is mostly conservative, it is not a target rich environment.
If you jump up with antlers on your head in the forest during deer season, you are going to get shot.
When you spout liberal shit here, you will be targeted.
A) you are mistaken. And, you have no idea.
B) more than likely, I'm more conservative than most of you, however, I don't mind calling a spade a fucking shovel. And right now - there's a lot of shit being moved by Trump. As for the FDR new deal, I had no intention of promoting that as a solution to the depression, and was speaking as one who would defend the liberal cause despite evidence to the contrary. Please pay attention to the way things are written:
"There is no connect between economics and social programs, and there hasn't been since 1932 with the 'new deal'."
C) I can see why a lot of libs use pejorative terms like 'Trumptard'. No exec in history is without fault, this one included. While the MSM paints him in the worst possible light(back to the theme of this thread), it would be safe to admit that in some cases Trump has provided them with plenty of ammo. For example, he's supposed to be draining the swamp, well - it looks to me like what he's mostly done is merely removing the other guys swamp-things with his own swamp-things(hundreds of lobbyists appointed in his admin), https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/21/president-donald-trump-lobbyists-hired/416749001/. Manafort is a bad joke, he was told not to hire Comey, but he did, Flynn was an insider with some weird relationships(undisclosed). Sessions is clueless, one of his recent judge candidates didn't even know what a 'motion-in-limine' means, and he's got his daughter-in-law as an unpaid advisor in the WH. I mean, we all complained about Chelsea getting a plum media job right out of college, how is this much different? She's not getting paid, but she has direct access to Trump. The new tax plan moves a lot of chaff around, but it's no simpler(may even be more complex), and I doubt it's going to reduce spending. WTF?
If folks don't hold Trump to the same or better standards that we would hold Hillary, then what value is there in even electing Trump? Glossing over the mistakes of any president is not helpful. While the MSM is merciless, at least respectable people can admit when he's made a gaff, or two - or three.
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A) you are mistaken. And, you have no idea.
I wasn't judging you or questioning your conservative credentials.
But when you take a stand that is counter to the prevailing beliefs, you will stand out as a target. Especially when the crap you are spewing is something I just heard on MSNBC.
I agree that Trump is a pompous asshole. But he is OUR pompous asshole and he is doing things we elected him to do.
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I agree that Trump is a pompous asshole. But he is OUR pompous asshole and he is doing things we elected him to do.
I have NEVER liked Trump, and I read two of his books. It was all ME, ME, ME, ME. I never liked his personality, demeanor, nor outward showmanship. He reminds me of P.T. Barnum. A con man. However, he is plain speaking, yes to the point of absurdity sometimes, but it is refreshing compared to the typical politician. So far he has at least tried to fulfill his campaign promises, and the things that got him elected. He has his own party fighting him more than the Democrats, and Media, yet is still accomplishing some of what he has said he would do. It isn't perfect, far from it, but it is a step in the right direction.
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I wasn't judging you or questioning your conservative credentials.
But when you take a stand that is counter to the prevailing beliefs, you will stand out as a target. Especially when the crap you are spewing is something I just heard on MSNBC.
I agree that Trump is a pompous asshole. But he is OUR pompous asshole and he is doing things we elected him to do.
Well then, I apologize. I am not a consumer of MSNBC. If you heard it there, and it's true - then the source is not the issue. Picking shitty people for cabinet and judicial is not what I elected him to do, If that's the case - then, we made a horrible mistake. Because so far, a significant number of his selections in important positions have been turkeys. He did remarkably well with the SCOTUS pick, and I think mainly because it was so high profile, he didn't pick one of his swamp-people. I wish he would have done the same with the rest of the cabinet, rather than selecting insider-flunkies that have dropped political turds almost everywhere else.
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I don't think he is following you around. It is just that since this site is mostly conservative, it is not a target rich environment.
If you jump up with antlers on your head in the forest during deer season, you are going to get shot.
When you spout liberal shit here, you will be targeted.
That you think invflatspin spouts liberal BS is evidence of just how non-moderate this place is. Folks to the right of him are in danger of falling off the earth.
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That you think invflatspin spouts liberal BS is evidence of just how non-moderate this place is. Folks to the right of him are in danger of falling off the earth.
That is not the fault of those that participate here, and that is also your perspective. It is the fault of those that do not have the facts, evidence, nor examples to back up their assertions, so they bail. How many left when Trump won? They were so arrogant, and sure that Hillary would win, they couldn't show themselves after she lost.
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That is not the fault of those that participate here, and that is also your perspective. It is the fault of those that do not have the facts, evidence, nor examples to back up their assertions, so they bail. How many left when Trump won? They were so arrogant, and sure that Hillary would win, they couldn't show themselves after she lost.
The point is perspective. No one with a 30k foot view would accuse him of liberalism.
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The point is perspective. No one with a 30k foot view would accuse him of liberalism.
The only "Liberals" (Progressive is a better term) that I know that still occasionally participate here are you, and Steingar. That is only my perspective, and my service ceiling at Gross is a paltry 13,800 ft. :)
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The point is perspective. No one with a 30k foot view would accuse him of liberalism.
No, I get his point. I did go to MSNBC.com(gulp, it's in my browsing history!), and did find a reference to the 'liberal bullshit', which wasn't exactly what I wrote, but there were similarities. I think I can be rather liberal in some respects when it comes to religion and maybe LEO behavior. but on economic, foreign policy, immigration, liberty, and judiciary, and more, I'm way to the right.
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That is not the fault of those that participate here, and that is also your perspective. It is the fault of those that do not have the facts, evidence, nor examples to back up their assertions, so they bail. How many left when Trump won? They were so arrogant, and sure that Hillary would win, they couldn't show themselves after she lost.
Part C of post 33 is full of examples of my assertions, and I'm not bailing. Feel free to refute any of the discussion there. Most all of it has been sourced from Foxnews.com, Breitbart, USAToday, or other similar locations. I will leave it to you and others to judge the factual accuracy, and evidence in the public domain(Manafort indicted, Flynn convicted, video of that asshat judge confirmation, USAtoday link showing the lobbying link, etc) .
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That you think invflatspin spouts liberal BS is evidence of just how non-moderate this place is. Folks to the right of him are in danger of falling off the earth.
That is what confuses me. Sometimes, he is far to my right. But then sometimes, he sounds as bad as you! ;)
As I told him. I don't question his conservative creds, (as Stan did to me because I once made a comment that displeased him). But I will call him out when I think he is wrong, just as I will give you an attaboy on the few times you are right.
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Part C of post 33 is full of examples of my assertions, and I'm not bailing. Feel free to refute any of the discussion there. Most all of it has been sourced from Foxnews.com, Breitbart, USAToday, or other similar locations. I will leave it to you and others to judge the factual accuracy, and evidence in the public domain(Manafort indicted, Flynn convicted, video of that asshat judge confirmation, USAtoday link showing the lobbying link, etc) .
I wasn't referring to you at all. I was referring to the plethora of people that left here after Trump won, and some others that no longer participate here.
In addition, I have NO problem with a liberal/progressive perspective as long as there are facts to back it up. Again, not talking about you. In fact, I have some moderate leanings in some areas myself, more Libertarian than anything.
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I wasn't referring to you at all. I was referring to the plethora of people that left here after Trump won, and some others that no longer participate here.
In addition, I have NO problem with a liberal/progressive perspective as long as there are facts to back it up. Again, not talking about you. In fact, I have some moderate leanings in some areas myself, more Libertarian than anything.
That's fair enough. what troubles me, is when someone reads something into my writing that isn't there, and then uses their mistake to accuse me of leaning left based on their faulty understanding, and is just plain unpleasant along the way - I think I can understand why the plethora lefties left. There are plenty of people on the right(as well as the left) who only want an echo chamber, or less charitably a circle-jerk to reinforce their own narrow vision.
My process with our two more left leaning folk is fewer insults, and maybe more explanations. Insults aren't as fun, but then again - converting someone to their way of thinking by insults is only useful in Marine Corps boot camp(and maybe HS girls cliques?). Since I doubt we have any Marine DI's here, and likely not HS girls cliques, I'd like to see less of the 'Jane, you ignorant slut' type of back and forth. Understanding of course, that I'm likely in the minority on that, as it's a lot less fun.
(edited for spelling and clarity)