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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 02:13:53 PM

Title: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 02:13:53 PM
He also kept saying he didn't want to be Speaker.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/paul-ryan-i-do-not-want-nor-will-i-accept-the-nomination.html
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 02:28:56 PM
Oh brother. :rolleyes:  Another conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
Oh brother. :rolleyes:  Another conspiracy theorist.

So......Ryan didn't keep saying he didn't want to be the Speaker before being elected speaker?
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: asechrest on April 12, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
So......Ryan didn't keep saying he didn't want to be the Speaker before being elected speaker?

Did he say he doesn't want and will not accept it? I don't intend to research it but I don't remember anything that definitive.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Gary on April 12, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
He also kept saying he didn't want to be Speaker.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/paul-ryan-i-do-not-want-nor-will-i-accept-the-nomination.html

Smart guy!  Who would want to enter this mud-wrestling contest.

Gary
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
Smart guy!  Who would want to enter this mud-wrestling contest.

Gary

Possible.  He also kept saying he didn't want to be speaker up to the point he was elected speaker.

He wants it, make no mistake. 
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
So......Ryan didn't keep saying he didn't want to be the Speaker before being elected speaker?
He would have been happy to remain budget chairman. But the leap from Congressman to Speaker/Congressman is not huge. It doesn't require your family to move to DC, their kids can remain in school in Janesville, and he can hit the Wisconsin woods come deer season as he always has done.

All that ends if he was POTUS. The only commonality between being speaker and being president is that both are paid by the federal government. His family's entire life changes in a flash.  I've been to a town hall of his and heard him say this publicly, and I believe him.

I think this whole question is a gigantic waste of time and an intentional distraction from Trump's failure to be a prepared candidate.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2016, 03:45:46 PM
Possible.  He also kept saying he didn't want to be speaker up to the point he was elected speaker.

He wants it, make no mistake.
And what makes you say that?
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
Did he say he doesn't want and will not accept it? I don't intend to research it but I don't remember anything that definitive.
As I recall, he said "I do not want, and I will not accept . . ."

Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: JeffDG on April 13, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
As I recall, he said "I do not want, and I will not accept . . ."
Yep, those were the words he used.


Not quite as definitive as LBJ's statement of "If nominated, I will not run, if elected I will not serve", but about as close as you can get without plagiarizing LBJ.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Little Joe on April 13, 2016, 10:31:50 AM
Yep, those were the words he used.


Not quite as definitive as LBJ's statement of "If nominated, I will not run, if elected I will not serve", but about as close as you can get without plagiarizing LBJ.
Those words were the first time LBJ spurred me to cheer him!
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 13, 2016, 12:02:52 PM
Those words were the first time LBJ spurred me to cheer him!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: asechrest on April 13, 2016, 12:06:29 PM
As I recall, he said "I do not want, and I will not accept . . ."

Thanks.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Number7 on April 14, 2016, 09:11:52 AM
Those words were the first time LBJ spurred me to cheer him!

Those words were the ONLY time I cheered something that came out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Anthony on April 14, 2016, 09:23:50 AM
Those words were the first time LBJ spurred me to cheer him!

LBJ was one of the worst Presidents since FDR. 
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: bflynn on April 14, 2016, 09:30:20 AM
He said no a month ago.  You weren't listening then and you don't want to believe him now.

Are you calling him a liar?
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: nddons on April 14, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
He said no a month ago.  You weren't listening then and you don't want to believe him now.

Are you calling him a liar?
Don't you know?  You've got to keep up this narrative to support Trump's Trumpertantrums that he's being treated "unfairly" and the nomination is being stolen from him. That provides him millions of dollars more free press coverage, and also riles up his supporters into a frenzy, stirred on by the likes of Roger Stone threatening to publish the hotel room numbers of those undeclared delegates who might vote for Cruz.

Yep. That's one classy campaign going on there. And for some reason people are eating up that a billionaire is not being treated fairly.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2016, 10:04:15 AM
LBJ was one of the worst Presidents since FDR.

Carter was actually worse.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: JeffDG on April 14, 2016, 10:17:37 AM
Carter was actually worse.
No...Carter was ineffective, but in retrospect I think he was sincere but misguided.


LBJ and FDR were nakedly gathering power unto themselves.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2016, 09:10:43 PM
http://lawnewz.com/politics/deception-experts-analyze-whether-paul-ryan-is-telling-the-truth-about-not-accepting-presidential-nomination/
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 14, 2016, 09:23:34 PM
Carter was actually worse.

Obama is worser.  :o
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: nddons on April 14, 2016, 09:25:10 PM
http://lawnewz.com/politics/deception-experts-analyze-whether-paul-ryan-is-telling-the-truth-about-not-accepting-presidential-nomination/
Well, as long as a "deception expert" says so...
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2016, 09:28:07 PM
Obama is worser.  :o

No debating that.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Mase on April 14, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Obama is worser.  :o

I don't think anyone with a working brain cell could dispute that.

LBJ was a power-grabbing racist old style politician who was going to have "all those niggers voting Democrat for the next hundred years." (HIS words, not mine).

Carter was a bumbling intelligent guy with experience who was seriously misguided and having poor goals and stars in his eyes.

Obama has shown himself to be an America-hating racialist world-government guy who believes the U.S. is the cause of all the problems in the world, and who wants to assure and manage the decline of the U.S.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Anthony on April 15, 2016, 02:41:37 AM
Obama has shown himself to be an America-hating racialist world-government guy who believes the U.S. is the cause of all the problems in the world, and who wants to assure and manage the decline of the U.S.

Exactly.  Just read his book.  His Fundamental Transformation is a plan to reduce the U.S. to a third world country.  It is purposeful.  I would rank him as the worst with LBJ next, then FDR, then Carter.  Carter was just naïve, and misguided.  Obama is a methodical, anti American operative.  He is very good at what he does, which is to bring us down. 
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Number7 on April 15, 2016, 06:45:39 AM
In short: President Obama is a traitor.
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war, is the definition of treason and just looking at his record of supporting Iran a state sponsor of Islamic terrorism, which we are at war with, justifies calling him out as a traitor.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Little Joe on April 15, 2016, 08:45:18 AM
LBJ was one of the worst Presidents since FDR.
Jimmy Carter was worse, but at least he is a nice guy.  LBJ was a bastard.

But then there is Obama.
Title: Re: Ryan says No
Post by: Anthony on April 15, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
In short: President Obama is a traitor.
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war, is the definition of treason and just looking at his record of supporting Iran a state sponsor of Islamic terrorism, which we are at war with, justifies calling him out as a traitor.

Obama is a traitor, and in the past he would have been hung or face a firing squad.  He is purposely dismantling this country.  Purposely!