PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 06:45:22 AM
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The Democrats realize the only way they could possibly unseat Trump is by causing extreme hardship on the American people, and then blame him. Almost all of the MEDIA is going along with it.
It’s fair to assume that you intend the expected consequences of the actions you take, and the consequence of the actions the Democrats are taking is economic ruin. The indisputable fact is that they’re totally cool with that if that is what gets them back into power.
Democrats are never ones to let a good crisis go to waste, and this Wuhan Flu is a very good crisis indeed if your goal is leftist hegemony. The Trump economy was booming after the near-decade of the Obama doldrums, and people were getting a taste of prosperity. But a happy, prosperous America is something the Democrat dudes can’t abide. All the Democrats had to sell were recycled cries of “RACISM!” and “RUSSIA!” and their standard-bearer was that sinewy weirdo Grandpa Badfinger, who was promising to drag us all back into the nightmare of globalist failure. The future looked grim, which means it actually looked bright for the rest of us.
So, the Chinese coronavirus was a dream come true, a deus ex pangolin that finally, after an endless series of leaks, impeachments, investigations, and media meltdowns, might be the magic bullet that actually takes Trump down.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/04/23/the-democrats-totally-want-a-depression-n2567395?fbclid=IwAR09yK_jOSgeNh3LOY6g5fgIls904MH7MTJuF8BveJnn4TYtMy038D9xpog
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Interesting how they scream at the prospect of "shutting down the government" at budget time but could give a shit about shutting down the private sector.
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The Democrats realize the only way they could possibly unseat Trump is by causing extreme hardship on the American people, and then blame him. Almost all of the MEDIA is going along with it.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/04/23/the-democrats-totally-want-a-depression-n2567395?fbclid=IwAR09yK_jOSgeNh3LOY6g5fgIls904MH7MTJuF8BveJnn4TYtMy038D9xpog
Dude, we don't need a depression to unseat Trump. All that's needed this time around is to run a Trump vs. Trump campaign.
Show Trump side by side saying one thing on one date vs. another thing on another date, constantly contradicting himself. Ad after ad after ad.
We can run a barely alive democrat and still do this. Which frankly, we seem to be doing...
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Interesting how they scream at the prospect of "shutting down the government" at budget time but could give a shit about shutting down the private sector.
Great point!!! The hardship caused by this shutdown is far, far worse than any government FAUX shutdown that has happened in the past. Just like now, the Government workers and Welfare Queens still ALL GET PAID.
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Dude, we don't need a depression to unseat Trump. All that's needed this time around is to run a Trump vs. Trump campaign.
Show Trump side by side saying one thing on one date vs. another thing on another date, constantly contradicting himself. Ad after ad after ad.
We can run a barely alive democrat and still do this. Which frankly, we seem to be doing...
Yet the economy was doing great, with historically low unemployment, great stock market, great housing market, consumer confidence at all time highs, and very LOW Energy Prices and low inflation to enable people to have more disposable income. REAL WAGES were rising for the first time in thirty years due to the pressure on companies to find labor.
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Dude, we don't need a depression to unseat Trump. All that's needed this time around is to run a Trump vs. Trump campaign.
Show Trump side by side saying one thing on one date vs. another thing on another date, constantly contradicting himself. Ad after ad after ad.
We can run a barely alive democrat and still do this. Which frankly, we seem to be doing...
How has your company been doing for the past 3 years? Was your company doing better prior to 2016?
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Dude, we don't need a depression to unseat Trump. All that's needed this time around is to run a Trump vs. Trump campaign.
Show Trump side by side saying one thing on one date vs. another thing on another date, constantly contradicting himself. Ad after ad after ad.
We can run a barely alive democrat and still do this. Which frankly, we seem to be doing...
You could do that with just one newspaper. Today there were two articles:
One was critical of Trump for wanting to open up the economy.
One was critical of Trump for strongly disagreeing with the Governor of Georgia for wanting to open up the economy.
All you would need to do to come up with a whole campaign of that kind of stuff is to run a clip of the things that Trump was reproted to have said, and next to it run a clip of all the things Trump said that were edited out of the first clip. Voila; instant Trump inconsistency.
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You could do that with just one newspaper. Today there were two articles:
One was critical of Trump for wanting to open up the economy.
One was critical of Trump for strongly disagreeing with the Governor of Georgia for wanting to open up the economy.
All you would need to do to come up with a whole campaign of that kind of stuff is to run a clip of the things that Trump was reproted to have said, and next to it run a clip of all the things Trump said that were edited out of the first clip. Voila; instant Trump inconsistency.
Plus, much if not most of the Media deceive about what Trump ACTUALLY SAYS. They use what they WANT him to say to make him look bad instead of what he actually says. Essentially Disinformation and Misinformation.
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How has your company been doing for the past 3 years? Was your company doing better prior to 2016?
Revenue is on the same trajectory as it was before. We lost a > $10m Chinese investor as a direct result of tariffs, and had to find a new investor and gave up a higher percentage of the company as a result.
And me and most of my employees have to pay significantly more in federal income taxes. (Blue state penalty). By significant I mean, that one hits me at over $25k/year, and my partner at $35k/year. I'm not going to complain about income tax, I'm just saying that Trump is not as business friendly as you think he is.
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Trump was right in his Tariffs with China. They had been eating our lunch for DECADES. All Trump is trying to do is level the playing field as China has been participating in unfair trade practices ans STEALING American technology for many, many years.
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Revenue is on the same trajectory as it was before. We lost a > $10m Chinese investor as a direct result of tariffs, and had to find a new investor and gave up a higher percentage of the company as a result.
Interesting. So you are against tariffs, am I reading this correct?
And me and most of my employees have to pay significantly more in federal income taxes. (Blue state penalty). By significant I mean, that one hits me at over $25k/year, and my partner at $35k/year. I'm not going to complain about income tax,
So is it a concern for you that the state you do business in is not a business friendly state? Or that it is a high tax state? Do you feel you and your company are getting the services in exchange for your tax dollars?
I'm fortunate to live in a state that doesn't tax our incomes, and doesn't spend beyond the state's means on frivolous entitlement programs. In fact our state has grown by record amounts from businesses fleeing the oppressive blue states.
Apparently you don't understand federalism, and the constitution.
I'm just saying that Trump is not as business friendly as you think he is.
Remember the last President? Do you think he was more business friendly?
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Revenue is on the same trajectory as it was before. We lost a > $10m Chinese investor as a direct result of tariffs, and had to find a new investor and gave up a higher percentage of the company as a result.
And me and most of my employees have to pay significantly more in federal income taxes. (Blue state penalty). By significant I mean, that one hits me at over $25k/year, and my partner at $35k/year. I'm not going to complain about income tax, I'm just saying that Trump is not as business friendly as you think he is.
You could have chosen to elect to be a C corporation with a 21% flat federal tax and fully deductible state income taxes.
Your failure to make such a choice doesn’t reflect negatively on Trump’s pro-business stance. It simply reflects your failure to respond to a changing individual tax structure.
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Trump was right in his Tariffs with China. They had been eating our lunch for DECADES. All Trump is trying to do is level the playing field as China has been participating in unfair trade practices ans STEALING American technology for many, many years.
Makes you wonder if this whole thing is "payback."
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Makes you wonder if this whole thing is "payback."
I have thought that for a while now. The China connection to the Corona Virus is very clear, and they want Trump OUT because he is hurting their free ride with our economy. What better way to do it? I wouldn't put it past them colluding with the Democrats using their vast $$$'s to unseat Trump. We are in a war.
And this is from NBC who is very anti Trump and pro Biden. (Comcast owns them)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-trump-blames-china-virus-impact-on-trade-war.html
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Interesting. So you are against tariffs, am I reading this correct?
I fail to see how taxing Americans solves a Chinese Intellectual Property problem. However, let's assume it does for argument's sake. It wasn't the tariffs that caused the investor to withdraw, but the uncertainty that was created the insults that Trump slung against China. If another president else came up with a diplomatic approach that created set of tariffs that would automatically go into effect if IP enforcement levels aren't reached, it would have been fine. You know, normal statesmanship type of thing.
So is it a concern for you that the state you do business in is not a business friendly state? Or that it is a high tax state? Do you feel you and your company are getting the services in exchange for your tax dollars?
It's not a high tax state - it's in the bottom half. It's simply a matter of real estate values. Personal real estate values - nothing to do with the business.
Apparently you don't understand federalism, and the constitution.
I thought the ideals of federalism was that the majority of governing happens at the state level? So why is the majority of my taxes going to the federal level?
Remember the last President? Do you think he was more business friendly?
Absolutely. As a business with global income and global investors, I appreciated a leader that understood we lived in a global world.
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You could have chosen to elect to be a C corporation with a 21% flat federal tax and fully deductible state income taxes.
Your failure to make such a choice doesn’t reflect negatively on Trump’s pro-business stance. It simply reflects your failure to respond to a changing individual tax structure.
Making the company as C-corp does not change how personal real estate taxes are deducted. Not without very illegal accounting at least.
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I fail to see how taxing Americans solves a Chinese Intellectual Property problem. However, let's assume it does for argument's sake. It wasn't the tariffs that caused the investor to withdraw, but the uncertainty that was created the insults that Trump slung against China. If another president else came up with a diplomatic approach that created set of tariffs that would automatically go into effect if IP enforcement levels aren't reached, it would have been fine. You know, normal statesmanship type of thing.
Oh c'mon dude! Your Chinese investor skipped a $10million deal over an "insult" from Trump!
It's not a high tax state - it's in the bottom half. It's simply a matter of real estate values. Personal real estate values - nothing to do with the business.
Uh, do you even understand the correlation between real estate values and taxation??
I thought the ideals of federalism was that the majority of governing happens at the state level? So why is the majority of my taxes going to the federal level?
You were just complaining about the high taxes of your state, yet now you're twisting it away to a federal tax problem. Yes, the majority of governing is at the state level, and your state is taxing you accordingly to provide services, and entitlements. And since your state is taxing at a higher level, you then expect the federal government to step in and subsidize the state in order to equalize your taxes with states that don't squander their income or excessively tax their citizens.
Absolutely. As a business with global income and global investors, I appreciated a leader that understood we lived in a global world.
Yea, he was quite the economic powerhouse. It was also awesome how he allowed other countries to tariff our goods while they dumped their goods into our market tariff free.
https://www.blackenterprise.com/obama-failed-small-business-minority-business-owners/
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/incomes-fall-and-poverty-rises-under-obama-census-report/
https://nypost.com/2017/03/30/gdp-growth-under-obama-was-worst-in-decades/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/31/obamas-regulations-in-2016-to-drain-economy-by-2-t/
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/georgementz/barack-obama-biggest-financial-failures/2018/05/24/id/862327/
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/obamas-final-economic-record-not-great
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Oh c'mon dude! Your Chinese investor skipped a $10million deal over an "insult" from Trump!
Yip. Every Chinese investor is effectively under the Chinese government in some shape or form, right. The state asked this particular (state-owned) company to stop all investments into US companies as a result of Trump's rhetoric. We were one of them.
Uh, do you even understand the correlation between real estate values and taxation??
Which part of real estate taxes do you think I don't understand? Is there any system that doesn't calculate real estate taxes based on a percentage of value?
You were just complaining about the high taxes of your state, yet now you're twisting it away to a federal tax problem.
No I wasn't. Quote me. Unless you think by "blue state penalty" I meant something to do with a state tax.
That's a term that is used to describe the federal changes that Trump made when he capped state tax deductions to $10k.
Yes, the majority of governing is at the state level, and your state is taxing you accordingly to provide services, and entitlements. And since your state is taxing at a higher level, you then expect the federal government to step in and subsidize the state in order to equalize your taxes with states that don't squander their income or excessively tax their citizens.
My state is a net payer, not a net receiver of federal taxes. So no, the federal government is not subsidizing our state. Isn't that the case with almost all blue states anyway? It was that case a few years ago at least. Not sure about now.
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Yip. Every Chinese investor is effectively under the Chinese government in some shape or form, right. The state asked this particular (state-owned) company to stop all investments into US companies as a result of Trump's rhetoric. We were one of them.
Right ::)
Which part of real estate taxes do you think I don't understand? Is there any system that doesn't calculate real estate taxes based on a percentage of value?
No I wasn't. Quote me. Unless you think by "blue state penalty" I meant something to do with a state tax.
That's a term that is used to describe the federal changes that Trump made when he capped state tax deductions to $10k.
My state is a net payer, not a net receiver of federal taxes. So no, the federal government is not subsidizing our state. Isn't that the case with almost all blue states anyway? It was that case a few years ago at least. Not sure about now.
Unreal. LOL!! ::)
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Every loser liberal and whining progressive thinks Americans should surrender free speech and all other constitutionally guaranteed rights to avoid offending those who hate us. Fuck China. Fuck those who spend their lives defending the fucking criminal Chinese regime.
Fuck those who hate America but make their living off of Americans.
There seems to be a strong correlation to one participant in this pathetic argument.
Any resemblance to people, living or dead, that find themselves offended by my exercise of free speech is intended.
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...oh, and if you are so worried about your immigration status DON’T get caught with drugs.
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And it starts https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/washington-post-attacks-trump-for-listening-to-experts.php
The Washington Post, in an article by Philip Bump, rips President Trump for having underestimated the number of Americans who will die from the Wuhan coronavirus. Earlier this month, Trump said, “I think we’ll be substantially, hopefully, below the [100,000] number, and I think, right now, we’re heading at probably around 60-, maybe 65,000.”
In making this statement, Trump was doing what the Post and other critics constantly accuse him of not doing. He was relying on experts. Trump relied on the IHME model, which had lowered its estimate of U.S. deaths to a little more than 60,000 through the end of July.
I never believed the number would be that low. With U.S. deaths mounting quickly throughout the month of April, I said we might reach 60,000 by the end of the month, and that May would also be quite deadly, given the number of new cases in March and April.
However, I don’t see why Trump should be criticized for relying on a model that most analysts and policymakers appear to consider the best one available. Did the Post criticize the IHME model until very recently? Maybe. I’ve stopped comprehensively reading its horribly skewed coverage of this pandemic.
But in the articles I’ve held my nose and read, I haven’t seen a critique of this model or its forecasts. Absent one, Philip Bump’s condescending article is as unfair as it is offensive.
It’s also worth noting that Trump never wedded himself to the 60,000-65,000 figure. He said that “hopefully” the number will be substantially below 100,000 and suggested that it could be 75,000.