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Title: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 19, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
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Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
Good to see Black Lives Matter, as well as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton jumped in to help out...........

Oh wait..........

Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 20, 2016, 04:33:20 AM
I read something that criticized Trump for doing this because it took away police and fire resources instead of using those to continue to help those who needed it. Trump showed leadership and class by going down there but the media can't acknowledge that. Instead the President stayed on his vacation playing golf and Hillary couldn't be bothered to go there.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: bflynn on August 20, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
I think this says enough

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Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 20, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Trump is being criticized for giving Playdoh sets to the kids.  A Republican could give everyone $1M and they would get bad press.  How did we get to this point.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: bflynn on August 21, 2016, 03:38:04 AM
Trump is being criticized for giving Playdoh sets to the kids.  A Republican could give everyone $1M and they would get bad press.  How did we get to this point.

By the fact that we still call them journalists.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Sleepingsquirrel on August 21, 2016, 06:48:23 AM
Instead of calling them paid staff.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2016, 07:05:26 AM
Time Warner (parent company of CNN) is Hillary's 8th largest campaign contributor.

Keep that in mind when you see a "news report" on CNN.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 21, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Time Warner (parent company of CNN) is Hillary's 8th largest campaign contributor.

Keep that in mind when you see a "news report" on CNN.
I take any news story from CNN or MSNBC with a grain of salt. They've been biased for years. The media has largely stopped reporting actual facts and report "facts" that fit whatever narrative they're trying to spin. Unfortunately, they have a lot of power in this country and with a vast number of Americans who turn to CNN and MSNBC as their only source of news, it tends to get misrepresented on just about every story. The networks know this and capitalize on it.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2016, 07:21:06 AM
I take any news story from CNN or MSNBC with a grain of salt. They've been biased for years. The media has largely stopped reporting actual facts and report "facts" that fit whatever narrative they're trying to spin. Unfortunately, they have a lot of power in this country and with a vast number of Americans who turn to CNN and MSNBC as their only source of news, it tends to get misrepresented on just about every story. The networks know this and capitalize on it.

Fox News is going in the same direction.  With Roger Ailes out they will migrate further to the left.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 21, 2016, 08:49:14 AM
Here is an article out today in the New York Post about the obvious media bias:

Quote from: New York Post
The frenzy to bury Trump is not limited to the Clinton campaign and the Obama White House. They are working hand-in-hand with what was considered the cream of the nation’s news organizations.

The shameful display of naked partisanship by the elite media is unlike anything seen in modern America.

http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2016, 09:14:30 AM
Here is an article out today in the New York Post about the obvious media bias:

http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/

Agreed.  The Fourth Estate is working hand in hand to defeat Trump and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

 Trump represents major change to how the elites operate.  Take this election as an example.  In the past the elites (party and media) have both made major gains during an election cycle.  Media profits from huge campaign spending while party elites profit from the campaigns directly as advisors, polling, staff, speech writers, etc.

 During this cycle media advertising is down 60% which is hurting many media markets.  Also on the Republican side Trump is running a considerably smaller staff than usual.  This is directly affecting the elites.  And don't kid yourself, many of these elites that are bashing Trump would jump at a chance to be on the campaign payroll if offered.

 Trump has also exposed the media for what they really are and of course that doesn't sit well with them. The left and the media have spent several years using methods such as "political correctness" to control those they disagree with.

 And of course the major pain in the ass to the liberals and the liberal media is the Internet, where they can't control the narrative and often get exposed for their lies.  But no need to worry as Obama has the fix for that coming up in October as the US gives away the Internet.  Expect to start seeing mass censorship of anything the left disagrees with.

"May you live in interesting times"- Confucius
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Mase on August 21, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
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Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 21, 2016, 01:33:39 PM
"Mind if I play through?"


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Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 21, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
There's a video clip somewhere of the LA Governor shutting down a CNN anchor over Trump.  If you've seen all the left wing media stuff they made sound like the Governor didn't want Trump there at all.  He clears that up and shuts her down. 

Sorry to late and too tired to find it, use your Google foo.  I have to fly the wife and I to KECP in the morning.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 21, 2016, 09:22:22 PM
There's a video clip somewhere of the LA Governor shutting down a CNN anchor over Trump.  If you've seen all the left wing media stuff they made sound like the Governor didn't want Trump there at all.  He clears that up and shuts her down. 

Sorry to late and too tired to find it, use your Google foo.  I have to fly the wife and I to KECP in the morning.

http://100percentfedup.com/cnn-anchors-effort-to-trash-trump-backfires-louisiana-governor-on-trumppence-visit-you-got-the-story-wrong/

Some good remarks in the comments, too.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 21, 2016, 11:40:47 PM
I'm glad to see the Louisiana governor step up like that. He realized that right now it was more important to focus on the state of Louisiana and the people and the situation rather than politics. If anything, the story should be about how the President couldn't be bothered to leave his vacation early or that Hillary hasn't expressed any interest in going there either.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2016, 03:54:08 AM
I'm glad to see the Louisiana governor step up like that. He realized that right now it was more important to focus on the state of Louisiana and the people and the situation rather than politics. If anything, the story should be about how the President couldn't be bothered to leave his vacation early or that Hillary hasn't expressed any interest in going there either.

 For the liberals it's all about politics and votes.

 Just replace Louisiana with Florida, Ohio, Virginia or any other battleground state and Obama and Clinton would have been there for the photo ops when the rain began to fall.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 22, 2016, 03:59:36 AM
or that Hillary hasn't expressed any interest in going there either.

why would the corrupt CAS doormat want to go there?  there is no money to made.

Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 22, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
why would the corrupt CAS doormat want to go there?  there is no money to made.
I suppose we are at the point where the system is so corrupt that Hillary doesn't even need to make an appearance for the sake of trying to look presidential.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
I suppose we are at the point where the system is so corrupt that Hillary doesn't even need to make an appearance for the sake of trying to look presidential.

She's convinced the media will carry her through the election and her campaign wants to keep her isolated so she doesn't have to respond to anything.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: LevelWing on August 22, 2016, 11:16:09 AM
She's convinced the media will carry her through the election and her campaign wants to keep her isolated so she doesn't have to respond to anything.
Which is one reason I don't think we're likely to see a lot, if any, debates.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2016, 11:19:13 AM
Which is one reason I don't think we're likely to see a lot, if any, debates.

There are 3 scheduled, but I would assume she would try to duck them.

Maybe she will tell the MSM that Colin Powell advised her not to do them.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: bflynn on August 22, 2016, 06:50:54 PM
why would the corrupt CAS doormat want to go there?  there is no money to made. are no votes to be won.

FTFY

Louisana is a dark red state. She isn't going to win it so screw them.

Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2016, 06:40:30 AM
She is failing.  She can't travel well even on her private jet painted like Air Force One, is cancelling her beloved elitist (rich, progressives) fund raisers where they give her millions, and fawn all over her that she is so evolved, and enlightened. 
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Mr Pou on September 23, 2016, 08:32:36 AM
She is failing.  She can't travel well even on her private jet painted like Air Force One, is cancelling her beloved elitist (rich, progressives) fund raisers where they give her millions, and fawn all over her that she is so evolved, and enlightened.

They just want to get her in the door, then she can step down and hand the reins to Timmy.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2016, 08:41:42 AM
They just want to get her in the door, then she can step down and hand the reins to Timmy.

 I don't believe if that scenario played out she would do that. She has no use or love for Kaine.  He just completed the deal that allowed DWS the chairmanship of the DNC to insure Hillary got the nomination and in turn he got the VP slot.

 If Hillary did win, and then had to step down, Kaine would resign and Hillary would appoint a new VP, one that will follow the Clinton Crime Family orders.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Mr Pou on September 23, 2016, 08:52:54 AM
If Hillary did win, and then had to step down, Kaine would resign and Hillary would appoint a new VP, one that will follow the Clinton Crime Family orders.

I haven't studied this scenario, can that really happen? If the VP steps down, then can POTUS can select the next VP? And then step down leaving that VP as POTUS? Without any vetting or congressional oversight?
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2016, 09:01:27 AM
I haven't studied this scenario, can that really happen? If the VP steps down, then can POTUS can select the next VP? And then step down leaving that VP as POTUS? Without any vetting or congressional oversight?

See Richard Nixon.  As I remember it, after Agnew resigned RMN appointed Gerald Ford and the senate and house confirmed him.

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On October 10, 1973, Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned and then pleaded no contest to criminal charges of tax evasion and money laundering, part of a negotiated resolution to a scheme in which he accepted $29,500 in bribes while governor of Maryland. According to The New York Times, Nixon "sought advice from senior Congressional leaders about a replacement. The advice was unanimous. 'We gave Nixon no choice but Ford,' House Speaker Carl Albert recalled later".[34]

Ford was nominated to take Agnew's position on October 12, the first time the vice-presidential vacancy provision of the 25th Amendment had been implemented. The United States Senate voted 92 to 3 to confirm Ford on November 27. Only three Senators, all Democrats, voted against Ford's confirmation: Gaylord Nelson of Wisconsin, Thomas Eagleton of Missouri and William Hathaway of Maine. On December 6, 1973, the House confirmed Ford by a vote of 387 to 35. One hour after the confirmation vote in the House, Ford took the oath of office as Vice President of the United States.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Mr Pou on September 23, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
See Richard Nixon.  As I remember it, after Agnew resigned RMN appointed Gerald Ford and the senate and house confirmed him.

OK, good, at least there is the confirmation to contest a bad choice.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2016, 09:08:41 AM
OK, good, at least there is the confirmation to contest a bad choice.

Judging from the past 4 years of the house and senate, don't count on it.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Mr Pou on September 23, 2016, 09:10:34 AM
Judging from the past 4 years of the house and senate, don't count on it.

Agree full heartedly, the GOP will probably roll over and play dead. Which leads me to believe they're all[1] being pulled by the same strings.

[1] Both parties.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2016, 12:24:44 PM
Agree full heartedly, the GOP will probably roll over and play dead. Which leads me to believe they're all[1] being pulled by the same strings.

[1] Both parties.

I tend to agree.  During my lifetime I have seen the constant growth, and abuse of a larger, and larger Federal government.  From LBJ, to Nixon, Carter, even Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, and the WORST Obama.  Reagan at least cut taxes, but could not stop the growth of government like he said he was going to do.  The Republicans have too much skin in the game to actually do what they say they will do. 

I'd like to know what group funds these guys, and makes them all RICH while in office.  It is so obviously corrupt now, it is disgusting.  Wall Street, Soros, Bloomberg, Unions (public and private)?
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Steingar on September 23, 2016, 01:26:27 PM
I suspect Obama delayed his visit since I think the last thing Louisiana needed in the middle of all this was the POTUS with his Secret Service detail and all the draining support from the relief efforts for a photo op.  I think he did the exact right thing.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2016, 01:35:13 PM
I suspect Obama delayed his visit since I think the last thing Louisiana needed in the middle of all this was the POTUS with his Secret Service detail and all the draining support from the relief efforts for a photo op.  I think he did the exact right thing.

Oh bullshit!  Even you can't be that naive.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2016, 01:43:28 PM
I suspect Obama delayed his visit since I think the last thing Louisiana needed in the middle of all this was the POTUS with his Secret Service detail and all the draining support from the relief efforts for a photo op.  I think he did the exact right thing.

Yeah, that has to be it.  If it were Bush, would you say the same thing?  No. 
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Steingar on September 23, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
Yeah, that has to be it.  If it were Bush, would you say the same thing?  No.

I did not expect Bush to be in the middle of New Orleans during the worst of Katrina.  My criticism was not of his personal actions, but that FEMA has been nearly destroyed by mismanagement.  I hope they're doing better in the middle of this crisis.  I genuinely don't know, but I'm not seeing a lot in the media, which is usually a good thing.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Little Joe on September 23, 2016, 02:08:30 PM
I suspect Obama delayed his visit since I think the last thing Louisiana needed in the middle of all this was the POTUS with his Secret Service detail and all the draining support from the relief efforts for a photo op.  I think he did the exact right thing.
Your logic may be sound.  But I don't believe there is a chance in hell that that was Obama's reasoning.  He didn't go because, politically, he didn't think he needed to.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Anthony on September 23, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
I did not expect Bush to be in the middle of New Orleans during the worst of Katrina.  My criticism was not of his personal actions, but that FEMA has been nearly destroyed by mismanagement.  I hope they're doing better in the middle of this crisis.  I genuinely don't know, but I'm not seeing a lot in the media, which is usually a good thing.

It doesn't take much to do a fly by in a plane or helo.  At least Obama could have done that with no disruption.  That is what Bush did in the beginning of Katrina and was criticized for it.  He later went on the ground, and was still criticized by the mainstream media and Dems. 
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Steingar on September 23, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
It doesn't take much to do a fly by in a plane or helo.  At least Obama could have done that with no disruption.  That is what Bush did in the beginning of Katrina and was criticized for it.  He later went on the ground, and was still criticized by the mainstream media and Dems.

He wasn't criticized by me.  But before Katrina he treated FEMA like a bad entitlement program, and then found his administration unprepared to deal with the aftermath of Katrina.  Perhaps even a FEMA at its best could have done little with a disaster of that proportion.  The real damning thing was he was supposed to be the POTUS who would deal with terrorism, yet his administration couldn't cope with a well tracked and utterly forecast natural phenomenon.  Made them appear utterly incapable of dealing with the chaotic onset of terrorism.

Seems to me that the current floods are a disaster of similar magnitude, and like I said I'm not seeing a lot about how bad the federal response is.  You might all claim the media is keeping it quiet, but I doubt it.  Everyone likes a story about government ineptitude, no matter who's in charge.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 23, 2016, 07:02:03 PM
He wasn't criticized by me.  But before Katrina he treated FEMA like a bad entitlement program, and then found his administration unprepared to deal with the aftermath of Katrina.  Perhaps even a FEMA at its best could have done little with a disaster of that proportion.  The real damning thing was he was supposed to be the POTUS who would deal with terrorism, yet his administration couldn't cope with a well tracked and utterly forecast natural phenomenon.  Made them appear utterly incapable of dealing with the chaotic onset of terrorism.

Seems to me that the current floods are a disaster of similar magnitude, and like I said I'm not seeing a lot about how bad the federal response is.  You might all claim the media is keeping it quiet, but I doubt it.  Everyone likes a story about government ineptitude, no matter who's in charge.

The incompetent DEMOCRAT mayor and governor screwed the pooch long before FEMA got involved.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Number7 on September 24, 2016, 07:00:55 AM
It is AMAZING how blind the academic progressive is to the facts but how well coached he is on the progressive talking points.
Not one mention of the progressive mayor and governor REFUSING to cooperate and allow FEMA to stage ahead of time, then blaming everyone BUT the progressives who caused the debacle for the debacle.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2016, 07:11:53 AM
It is AMAZING how blind the academic progressive is to the facts but how well coached he is on the progressive talking points.
Not one mention of the progressive mayor and governor REFUSING to cooperate and allow FEMA to stage ahead of time, then blaming everyone BUT the progressives who caused the debacle for the debacle.

The perfesser probably believes that FEMA can just race into a state on their own and set up shop.  No one ever told him that the state's governor has to request federal assistance before aid can be activated.  Also, no one ever told the perfesser that in the episode of Katrina that the governor didn't request assistance, even though FEMA and the administration offered it before the storm hit.  And Ray Nagan, the New Orleans mayor failed in evacuating New Orleans and implementing an emergency plan.

 All right there in the history books.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Number7 on September 24, 2016, 07:14:25 AM
The perfesser probably believes that FEMA can just race into a state on their own and set up shop.  No one ever told him that the state's governor has to request federal assistance before aid can be activated.  Also, no one ever told the perfesser that in the episode of Katrina that the governor didn't request assistance, even though FEMA and the administration offered it before the storm hit.  And Ray Nagan, the New Orleans mayor failed in evacuating New Orleans and implementing an emergency plan.

 All right there in the history books.

No. No. No!
Don;t you know that using facts and history in the making of a decision is RACIST?
If it isn't in the progressive academic talking points and you claim it happened using facts and historical data then you are lying and racist and in the evil basket of deplorables.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Anthony on September 24, 2016, 07:39:34 AM
No. No. No!
Don;t you know that using facts and history in the making of a decision is RACIST?
If it isn't in the progressive academic talking points and you claim it happened using facts and historical data then you are lying and racist and in the evil basket of deplorables.

Bush didn't mobilize FEMA quickly enough because many of the Katrina victims were BLACK.  He purposely wanted them to suffer because of their skin color. 
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Steingar on September 24, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Bush didn't mobilize FEMA quickly enough because many of the Katrina victims were BLACK.  He purposely wanted them to suffer because of their skin color.

I doubt that quite strongly.  I just don't think Bush and his team were up to the task at that time.  Bush was and is a very good man.  He even grew into the role of POTUS quite well.  But he bolluxed a lot of things out the gate, and Katrina was one of them.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2016, 07:52:45 AM
I doubt that quite strongly.  I just don't think Bush and his team were up to the task at that time.  Bush was and is a very good man.  He even grew into the role of POTUS quite well.  But he bolluxed a lot of things out the gate, and Katrina was one of them.

Bullshit.   Try reading the real history on the subject before relying on liberal talking points.
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Steingar on September 25, 2016, 06:54:04 AM
Bullshit.   Try reading the real history on the subject before relying on liberal talking points.

The  fact that you can do little more than insult doe snot say very good things about your intellectual capacities.  If you think I'm wrong about something you might give your version of events.  You might even back them up a little. 

But you prefer insults. 
Title: Re: Reactions to Louisiana Flooding Crisis
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2016, 06:58:40 AM
The  fact that you can do little more than insult doe snot say very good things about your intellectual capacities.  If you think I'm wrong about something you might give your version of events.  You might even back them up a little. 

But you prefer insults.

The fact that you can't do the simplist research and read the actual history of an event just shows that you, once again, in your protected bubble would rather believe liberal talking points than the actual truth.

 And you constantly hide behind your faux intellect as a lame attempt to portray your self assumed superiority.