PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on December 09, 2016, 02:15:43 PM
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Dan Rather - falsely claimed that George Bush deserted from the Air National Guard. He was fired for this, but it was otherwise OK because he was liberal and trying to do good things by shutting down Bush.
Brian Williams claimed he was shot down by an enemy RPG in Iraq. Not true, but he was otherwise OK because he was liberal and trying to do good by pumping up his credentials
MSNBC actively lied via omission by altering the 911 tape from the George Zimmerman, but it was OK because they are liberal and they were correctly trying to show what a despicable white racist Zimmerman was.
Katie Couric lied by creatively editing so it appeared the people she interviewed were not responding to questions about background checks (in the unedited taped, they responded immediately with good answers. But it was OK because she is liberal and diligently working to get guns completely banned.
And who knows how many others that we don't know about.
If it weren't for all the liberals giving out fake news, we would never be seeing things like a claim that Hillary was running an underage prostitution ring out of a pizza shop. If it wasn't for these, the media would never had been discredited enough for people to believe anything. They literally have lost their moral authority to contradict because they lied first. And in this instance, lying is exactly the right word.
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But lying is totally acceptable if it's done by a liberal. Just business as usual.
What's the old saying? "If you want to piss off a conservative, lie to him. If you want to piss off a liberal, tell him the truth."
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While the liberal/progressive media, and Democrats are trying to pin the "Fake News" on their new buzzword "Alt Right" which of course means racist, white supremacist males, in reality the mainstream media OWNS FAKE NEWS AND LIES.
Oh, it was a video tape that cause Benghazi!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4018664/Former-NBC-Nightly-News-host-Brian-Williams-complains-fake-news.html
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How ironic.
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http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/dying-mainstream-media-on-id-they-stand-by-their-story-however-wrong/
Meanwhile, just to clear up some misconceptions: Mainstream media today are only somewhat more corrupt than in the past. Their biggest problem now is that they are mostly not necessary. Blatant attempts at misrepresentation stem largely from that fact. They survive by becoming mere PR for progressive governments. They have every reason to wish to suppress independent media offering alternative information, correct or otherwise, a clear departure from their historic independent role.
Are new media more reliable? No; what’s more reliable is the opportunity we all have now to keep looking for correct answers.
Note: I, for one, do not take the explosion of “fake news” seriously. I just learned yesterday from a checkout counter tabloid that Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton are all going to prison. Last week, I was informed by a competitive tabloid source that Hillary Clinton is dying.
Neither I nor anyone else capable of forming part of a checkout counter lineup believed any of it particularly. Yet many of these publications have been around for decades.
I recommend considerable caution when we are faced with proposals to eliminate fake news for the public good. Most such claims appear grounded in an assumption that the public is more naive than my local checkout lineup, and I cannot think of areason why that should be true. True information is just as likely to be suppressed as false information.
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NBC, MSNBC (Comcast owned by Obama financier, Brian Roberts), CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NYT, AP, Reuters, ESPN, Washpo (owned by Jeff Bezos of YAHOO, far left, rich activist). All FAKE NEWS. All to advance the far left, radical, anti American agenda.
Not to mention Soros, and Media Matters.
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NBC, MSNBC (Comcast owned by Obama financier, Brian Roberts), CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NYT, AP, Reuters, ESPN, Washpo (owned by Jeff Bezos of YAHOO, far left, rich activist). All FAKE NEWS. All to advance the far left, radical, anti American agenda.
Not to mention Soros, and Media Matters.
Back during the Cold War it was fun using a short wave radio and listening to the Russian English broadcast of various radio programs, all hard core propaganda. And if someone didn't know better they would swear it was all the truth.
The liberals are aghast that they no longer control the entire media and this thing called the Internet has reared its ugly head and emerged as the Fifth Estate, essentially rendering the Fourth Estate impotent. Now they fight back with the new catch phrase "fake news" i.e. anything not approved by the liberals for consumption of the masses.
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The Fourth Estate has become the FIFTH COLUMN. I am tired of Nazi propaganda.
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Let us not forget Hillary and Chelsea having to dash from the helicopter to avoid Sniper fire.
Trump is going to make the MSM obsolete by using Twitter.
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The Fourth Estate has become the FIFTH COLUMN. I am tired of Nazi propaganda.
Actually the Nazis (and Russians) were much better and effective at propaganda. The version that's being used by the MSM is aimed at low information and low education audience. What the liberals refer to as useful idiots.
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The euphoria I felt the evening of November 8 was due in part to the loosening of the grip of the leftist media. I honestly had felt, from what my leftie friends had been saying they we're seeing and not seeing in the media, that HRC would win.
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The euphoria I felt the evening of November 8 was due in part to the loosening of the grip of the leftist media. I honestly had felt, from what my leftie friends had been saying they we're seeing and not seeing in the media, that HRC would win.
Our country has been led by the LEFT, especially media, education, and government for about 50 years or more. Most of my lifetime I have had to endure the push by the progressive/liberals to change our country FOR THE WORSE. People got tired of it, and elected Trump. I am optimistic again, and haven't felt like this since Reagan, who was only a brief respite to the leftist march.
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Trump is going to make the MSM obsolete by using Twitter.
He already is. I check his Twitter posts every day. Love it!
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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The liberals are aghast that they no longer control the entire media and this thing called the Internet has reared its ugly head and emerged as the Fifth Estate, essentially rendering the Fourth Estate impotent. Now they fight back with the new catch phrase "fake news" i.e. anything not approved by the liberals for consumption of the masses.
Thus the attempt to control the internet. "Net Neutrality" is a Trojan Horse as the first step to content control.
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Thus the attempt to control the internet. "Net Neutrality" is a Trojan Horse as the first step to content control.
Remember the "Fair Act" which was the Democrats attempt to censor conservative talk radio? These people don't care about our rights, nor the Constitution, and the disobey laws they don't like when it suits them.
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Now you know why Fox fired him. Well that, and his use of profanity, and profane gestures on air. :)
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Now you know why Fox fired him. Well that, and his use of profanity, and profane gestures on air. :)
Didn't he also have a problem with prescription drugs?
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Didn't he also have a problem with prescription drugs?
As far as I know he is a recovering alcoholic, and drug addict. I am not sure if he had a relapse or not.
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Call me crazy but I like Beckel, and Pat Caddell, and Doug Schoen, the real, old school classical Liberals. I was very disappointed when Beckel left Fox.
I prefer people who do not censor themselves, who hold unapproved positions, who say the things others are afraid to say.
He is batshit cray cray sometimes, and can be a mean-spiritied partisan, but that is all part of his charm IMO - and he has occasionally spoken with such amazing clarity into the real motives of the Left, better insight into them than almost anyone else (maybe Dick Morris).
'Gimp
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Liberals:
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Fake News is an abomination, pure and simple. Doesn't matter whether its Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican, Black or White. etc. I find it very disturbing when people don't condemn Fake News and prefer to just criticize the other guy's Fake News stories. Liars should be exposed for what they are, liars, not Democratic liars or Republican liars. People deflecting criticism of a lie by labeling it something other than a lie by adding qualifiers to it is BS.
When some anonymous entity, under the guise of a news service or legitimate media, disseminates fiction as a fact,--that's "Fake News." When someone picks up that fiction and spreads it via social media or just word of mouth--they're idiots of the worst kind because they are dupes of the anonymous entity that originated the fiction. When something is reported and the veracity of the reported information is unverified, it should be qualified by the remark that the story is unconfirmed if it even should get disseminated. These idiots that spread BS they saw on the internet are dangerous and can lead to people doing really bad things. It's a serious problem and it's not limited to political party or racial affiliation.
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Fake News is an abomination, pure and simple. Doesn't matter whether its Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican, Black or White. etc. I find it very disturbing when people don't condemn Fake News and prefer to just criticize the other guy's Fake News stories. Liars should be exposed for what they are, liars, not Democratic liars or Republican liars. People deflecting criticism of a lie by labeling it something other than a lie by adding qualifiers to it is BS.
When some anonymous entity, under the guise of a news service or legitimate media, disseminates fiction as a fact,--that's "Fake News." When someone picks up that fiction and spreads it via social media or just word of mouth--they're idiots of the worst kind because they are dupes of the anonymous entity that originated the fiction. When something is reported and the veracity of the reported information is unverified, it should be qualified by the remark that the story is unconfirmed if it even should get disseminated. These idiots that spread BS they saw on the internet are dangerous and can lead to people doing really bad things. It's a serious problem and it's not limited to political party or racial affiliation.
So when CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, WashPo, Huffington Post, Slate, etc spread fake news should they be held accountable?
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So when CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, WashPo, Huffington Post, Slate, etc spread fake news should they be held accountable?
Absolutely.
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I won't hold me breath waiting for MSM to be held accountable.
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Fake News:
An obscure You Tube Video caused the Benghazi murders.
We will never know the true motives of the muslim terrorists that committed all those incidents of violence against women, Jews, Gays, Americans, Coptic Christians, non-muslims, the people in the government building in California and all those other places where the motive was clear and the lies were right at hand.
If you want to keep your doctor you can keep your doctor.
Obamacare will lower your family premiums $2,500 a year!
Donald Trump Hates Women!
Donald Trump is a racist.
Donald Trump is a terrorist threat to women and gays.
Uh-huh....
I know where to find the purveyors of fake news. They work for NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, Wa-Po and others.
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Fake News:
An obscure You Tube Video caused the Benghazi murders.
We will never know the true motives of the muslim terrorists that committed all those incidents of violence against women, Jews, Gays, Americans, Coptic Christians, non-muslims, the people in the government building in California and all those other places where the motive was clear and the lies were right at hand.
If you want to keep your doctor you can keep your doctor.
Obamacare will lower your family premiums $2,500 a year!
Donald Trump Hates Women!
Donald Trump is a racist.
Donald Trump is a terrorist threat to women and gays.
Uh-huh....
I know where to find the purveyors of fake news. They work for NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, Wa-Po and others.
Your concept of fake news is flawed. By your definition every BS post by a conservative or liberal on this board is "fake news," Politicians of every party have been lying and making promises never kept since biblical times and reporting those lies and false promises is real news. Those politicians have to answer to the public when their statements are exposed as lies. Fake News are stories totally made up and put out on social media like it was a real news release. "1000s of Muslims take to the streets of New Jersey and celebrate the destruction of the Trade Center!" would be fake news. Idiots who believe it without checking and retweet it are the problem.
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Your concept of fake news is flawed. By your definition every BS post by a conservative or liberal on this board is "fake news," Politicians of every party have been lying and making promises never kept since biblical times and reporting those lies and false promises is real news. Those politicians have to answer to the public when their statements are exposed as lies. Fake News are stories totally made up and put out on social media like it was a real news release. "1000s of Muslims take to the streets of New Jersey and celebrate the destruction of the Trade Center!" would be fake news. Idiots who believe it without checking and retweet it are the problem.
Sorry sparky.
FAKE News is liberal spin about global warming, the lies about there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the health care "crisis" that paved the way for obamacare.
FAKE news is portraying the anti Trump demonstrations as anything but a bunch of lazy, stupid, liberal children too lazy to go out and vote, who are mad because the adults didn't give them their way,
FAKE news is the bullshit about Mitt Romney outlawing birth control and abortion being a form of health care.
FAKE News is anyone who tries to spin opposition to FAKE news put out by liberals as anything other than fake.
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Sorry sparky.
FAKE News is liberal spin about global warming, the lies about there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the health care "crisis" that paved the way for obamacare.
FAKE news is portraying the anti Trump demonstrations as anything but a bunch of lazy, stupid, liberal children too lazy to go out and vote, who are mad because the adults didn't give them their way,
FAKE news is the bullshit about Mitt Romney outlawing birth control and abortion being a form of health care.
FAKE News is anyone who tries to spin opposition to FAKE news put out by liberals as anything other than fake.
So Fake News is anything from what you consider a liberal or that you don't agree with... got it.
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So Fake News is anything from what you consider a liberal or that you don't agree with... got it.
Fake news is once what we referred to as "propaganda".
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Fun Example (https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2016/12/12/parents-are-pretty-excited-about-this-happy-hour-playset-for-toddlers/)
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Fun Exmple (https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2016/12/12/parents-are-pretty-excited-about-this-happy-hour-playset-for-toddlers/)
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Age discrimination!!!
What about toddlers under 3? Don't they get to play too?
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Fake news is once what we referred to as "propaganda".
Propaganda is not always totally false--fake news is totally false--it's totally made up.
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Propaganda is not always totally false--fake news is totally false--it's totally made up.
Fake news, on occasion, will take a shred of truth and weave a web of lies around it.
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Fake news, on occasion, will take a shred of truth and weave a web of lies around it.
I might characterize that as "spin" vs fake news. HRC took news of muslim reaction to a video and spun it for her own purposes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what she did was right and eventually the truth came out but this is not the same thing as making up a story about Muslims rioting because of a video --that did happen only it had nothing to do with Benghazi. News media were careful to say it was HRC linking the video to Benghazi and it was reported as her words. It would have been fake news if the story about a video and rioting were made up and never happened.
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I might characterize that as "spin" vs fake news. HRC took news of muslim reaction to a video and spun it for her own purposes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what she did was right and eventually the truth came out but this is not the same thing as making up a story about Muslims rioting because of a video --that did happen only it had nothing to do with Benghazi. News media were careful to say it was HRC linking the video to Benghazi and it was reported as her words. It would have been fake news if the story about a video and rioting were made up and never happened.
You're picking fly shit out of pepper. Had Hillary won the election and Trump brought up the subject of "fake news" the Clintons, the DNC and the MSM would all be deriding him and crowing "conspiracy theory".
The Russians supposedly hacking the election and fake news is just incredulous attempt to explain a crushing defeat of a tired old sick corrupt politician who acted as if she had the election all wrapped up.
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I might characterize that as "spin" vs fake news. HRC took news of muslim reaction to a video and spun it for her own purposes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what she did was right and eventually the truth came out but this is not the same thing as making up a story about Muslims rioting because of a video --that did happen only it had nothing to do with Benghazi. News media were careful to say it was HRC linking the video to Benghazi and it was reported as her words. It would have been fake news if the story about a video and rioting were made up and never happened.
It's actually kind of funny and sad at the same time to see you squirm and "spin" like that. :)
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Fake news: Godzilla destroys Japan
Spin: Anything coming from the DNC.
got it.
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So Fake News is anything from what you consider a liberal or that you don't agree with... got it.
You are both blind and very slow.
The FAKE News issue is the bally-wick of the progressive left, used to steer public opinion with an avalanche of doctored and massaged stories in the news all supporting the progressive agenda. It is far more transparent than the 'most transparent administration in history,' which in itself was a fake news story promoted by leftists in the media at the behest of the most fake president in history.
Your objection to these observations is that they don't abide by the agenda of the progressive left and therefore are heresy.
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You are both blind and very slow.
The FAKE News issue is the bally-wick of the progressive left, used to steer public opinion with an avalanche of doctored and massaged stories in the news all supporting the progressive agenda. It is far more transparent than the 'most transparent administration in history,' which in itself was a fake news story promoted by leftists in the media at the behest of the most fake president in history.
Your objection to these observations is that they don't abide by the agenda of the progressive left and therefore are heresy.
After reading your comments from this and other threads, its easy to see why the left characterizes the majority of Trump supporters uneducated. An ad hominem attack is the only arrow in your quiver. Good luck with that.
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Fake news: Godzilla destroys Japan
Spin: Anything coming from the DNC.
got it.
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By golly, I believe you do. Although spin isn't exclusive to the DNC.
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You're picking fly shit out of pepper. Had Hillary won the election and Trump brought up the subject of "fake news" the Clintons, the DNC and the MSM would all be deriding him and crowing "conspiracy theory".
The Russians supposedly hacking the election and fake news is just incredulous attempt to explain a crushing defeat of a tired old sick corrupt politician who acted as if she had the election all wrapped up.
I really don't think HRC has anything to do with the intelligence community findings on the actions of the Russians. I don't really think many in the intelligence community supported her but that's just a gut feeling. The conspiracy theorists are those, like you, who see a conspiracy against Trump whenever something comes to light that sheds a negative shadow over your savior.
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its easy to see why the left characterizes the majority of Trump supporters uneducated.
I don't believe that is the case at all, and maybe you don't either. Many of the leftist "college educated" people I know are the most indoctrinated, close minded, and intolerant people. Also, they are often just miserable, and plain angry at everything. The left puts a lot of faith in college educations, even if it is a liberal arts degree that qualifies you to be a barista at Starbucks. There are many types of educations, but the insecure, envious left only thinks there is one.
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I really don't think HRC has anything to do with the intelligence community findings on the actions of the Russians. I don't really think many in the intelligence community supported her but that's just a gut feeling. The conspiracy theorists are those, like you, who see a conspiracy against Trump whenever something comes to light that sheds a negative shadow over your savior.
Others have gut feelings, too. I have never been a conspiracy theorist. Ever. My gut feeling is that Hillary will glom onto any shred of thing that will deflect her loss onto someone or something that isn't her. Same with O and his legacy failures. Even you are doing it, Witmo. You want to see Trump as shunted into place by idiot "believers" who worship him as, to use your word, their savior.
Happiness over escaping a Hillary presidency should not be misconstrued as worshiping Trump. We're all a little nervous about him, I think. But less nervous than we'd be about Hillary.
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I really don't think HRC has anything to do with the intelligence community findings on the actions of the Russians. I don't really think many in the intelligence community supported her but that's just a gut feeling. The conspiracy theorists are those, like you, who see a conspiracy against Trump whenever something comes to light that sheds a negative shadow over your savior.
Open your mind and your eyes. The deception being perpetrated against the citizens is at levels never witnessed before in this country.
You don't think HRC had anything to do with the intelligence community findings. Why not look at bit deeper to a President who has politicized agency after agency to further his ideological goals. Look at the IRS, EPA, DoE, etc, etc and see how their "findings" on any matter political add up. Also keep in mind the intelligence community "findings" are varying wildly right now as not everyone is on the same page or pumping the same narrative.
I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, I leave that up to folks such as yourself. Neither do I take a Pollyanna approach to the daily servings of shit media that are trying to convince me that the election was not legitimate and that the declared winner is illegitimate.
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After reading your comments from this and other threads, its easy to see why the left characterizes the majority of Trump supporters uneducated. An ad hominem attack is the only arrow in your quiver. Good luck with that.
...and right on cue you fall back on ANOTHER lie told by progressives that anyone that didn't support Hilary is ignorant.
What a perfect, little, snowflake you are.
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There is a new fake news story going around right now that when Trump made a phone call to Turkey, he bragged about his business partner there who built the Turkish Trump Towers. Then, as a result the Turkish president went out and had his business partner arrested in order to gain leverage against Donald Trump to try to blackmail him.
Ok...so here's how you recognize propaganda like this
1) it doesn't sound right. The story is just wacky.
2) It presumes information that isn't generally knowable by the public. In this case, the story claims to know what was said on a private phone call between president elect Trump and president Erdoğan. It claims to know president Erdoğan's motives. It claims to know how president elect Trump might react (negatively) in the future. If security is that bad, then the Russians don't even need to hack the RNC, they should just stand by the door.
3) It doesn't make logical sense. President Erdoğan's position is very shaky right now. It is meaningless for him to upset the incoming president of the still most powerful country on earth.
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There is a new fake news story going around right now that when Trump made a phone call to Turkey, he bragged about his business partner there who built the Turkish Trump Towers. Then, as a result the Turkish president went out and had his business partner arrested in order to gain leverage against Donald Trump to try to blackmail him.
Ok...so here's how you recognize propaganda like this
1) it doesn't sound right. The story is just wacky.
2) It presumes information that isn't generally knowable by the public. In this case, the story claims to know what was said on a private phone call between president elect Trump and president Erdoğan. It claims to know president Erdoğan's motives. It claims to know how president elect Trump might react (negatively) in the future. If security is that bad, then the Russians don't even need to hack the RNC, they should just stand by the door.
3) It doesn't make logical sense. President Erdoğan's position is very shaky right now. It is meaningless for him to upset the incoming president of the still most powerful country on earth.
Yea, but the NYT and WashPo will run front page stories, and the cable news outlets along with the ABC,CBS and NBC will run a complete news cycle, bring in pundit after pundit and analyze the story over and over. Then of course they will all conclude that Trump is dangerous and unhinged (DNC Talking Point).
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I don't believe that is the case at all, and maybe you don't either. Many of the leftist "college educated" people I know are the most indoctrinated, close minded, and intolerant people. Also, they are often just miserable, and plain angry at everything. The left puts a lot of faith in college educations, even if it is a liberal arts degree that qualifies you to be a barista at Starbucks. There are many types of educations, but the insecure, envious left only thinks there is one.
All very true.
I have been noticing this, myself. Interesting that all the software engineers working with my husband voted for Trump. Pretty logical people, they are.
This election was a massive move away from failed and failing liberal policies and PC overreach, it looks like to me.
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Happiness over escaping a Hillary presidency should not be misconstrued as worshiping Trump. We're all a little nervous about him, I think. But less nervous than we'd be about Hillary.
I'm more than a little nervous about President-Elect Trump.
But this was definitely a case the devil you know couldn't be worse than the devil we didn't know. I wouldn't have voted for that corrupt CAB doormat even with a gun to my head (hopefully, that's not too subtle).
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I'm more than a little nervous about President-Elect Trump.
But this was definitely a case the devil you know couldn't be worse than the devil we didn't know. I wouldn't have voted for that corrupt CAB doormat even with a gun to my head (hopefully, that's not too subtle).
I was/am a bit apprehensive about Trump, but so far what he has done, including his appointments, have been in line with his campaign promises.
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I'm more than a little nervous about President-Elect Trump.
But this was definitely a case the devil you know couldn't be worse than the devil we didn't know. I wouldn't have voted for that corrupt CAB doormat even with a gun to my head (hopefully, that's not too subtle).
My nervousness goes beyond "a little," too, now that I cogitate on it. I do think that the seamy underbelly and maggot-filled crevices of entrenched politicos' lairs are being revealed in bright light now, but would have grown ever bloated and spreading on an HRC watch.
The festering would have burst eventually. While both parties share the blame, Trump has a small window to expose it or own it.
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Others have gut feelings, too. I have never been a conspiracy theorist. Ever. My gut feeling is that Hillary will glom onto any shred of thing that will deflect her loss onto someone or something that isn't her. Same with O and his legacy failures. Even you are doing it, Witmo. You want to see Trump as shunted into place by idiot "believers" who worship him as, to use your word, their savior.
Happiness over escaping a Hillary presidency should not be misconstrued as worshiping Trump. We're all a little nervous about him, I think. But less nervous than we'd be about Hillary.
I get that people, myself included, wished there were choices other than HRC and DT to choose from at this last election. Whether one or the other was worse is debatable but most agree, both sucked. Now that DT has won, I hope people hold him to the same standards they would say HRC failed to uphold. When he lies, call him on it. When he "spins" the truth, see it for what it is. My problem with die hard DT supporters is that they ignore anything negative and blame HRC or the media for fomenting undue criticism. I have seen little so far that has made me less nervous but I am hopeful.
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I have seen little so far that has made me less nervous but I am hopeful.
Life is not a TV show that gets wrapped up in 30 minutes or an hour (more accuractely, <42 minutes because of credits and commercials)
How about we let 20 January 2017 arrive and see what happens before jumping all over anything-Trump?
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Fake news.....Jill Stein believing there was something in the water in WI that made the election results wrong and allowed here to raise beau coup dollars to pay for a recount that ended up giving Trump a bigger lead and not uncovering so called election problems that led to the recount.
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I get that people, myself included, wished there were choices other than HRC and DT to choose from at this last election. Whether one or the other was worse is debatable but most agree, both sucked. Now that DT has won, I hope people hold him to the same standards they would say HRC failed to uphold. When he lies, call him on it. When he "spins" the truth, see it for what it is. My problem with die hard DT supporters is that they ignore anything negative and blame HRC or the media for fomenting undue criticism. I have seen little so far that has made me less nervous but I am hopeful.
I like Trumps appointments to his cabinet so far. Especially EPA. He is doing exactly what he promised during his campaign. The fact that Republicans McCain, and Graham are against him warms my heart.
Hillary, like Obama is not a leader/manager. They can't run anything but only talk in obscure progressive/liberal/communist ideals. Broad policies of hope, and change. NO NUTS AND BOLTS on how to improve the important factors in our lives. Trump is a DOER. Just watch.
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I am certain (where once I was suspicious) that Donald Trump will not govern like a Republican.
I am also certain that Donald Trump will not govern like a Democrat.
I am certain that Donald Trump will govern like a businessman.
That gives me hope.
Like another poster, anyone Graham and McCain - and - Pelosi, McCaskill and Schumer hate is usually good by me.
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Now that DT has won, I hope people hold him to the same standards they would say HRC failed to uphold. When he lies, call him on it. When he "spins" the truth, see it for what it is. My problem with die hard DT supporters is that they ignore anything negative and blame HRC or the media for fomenting undue criticism. I have seen little so far that has made me less nervous but I am hopeful.
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I see daily slams of Trump in the media. Often it is made up crap, things spun wrongly (FAKE NEWS by the ALT LEFT media). I see it on MSN, Yahoo, Google, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN etc. He's not even President yet.
Guess what. You are going to get MORE nervous as Trump does what he say he will do. Do you like his EPA appointment? As a pilot, burning 100LL, and paying more, and more for electricity, I sure do
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Sucks when one gets caught red handed putting out fake news. But hey, it's the Washington Post.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2017/01/01/fake-news-and-how-the-washington-post-rewrote-its-story-on-russian-hacking-of-the-power-grid/#51edaf6a291e
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The Washington Post, like the New York Times (liberal Bible or Koran) and 95% of other newspapers are extremely left wing biased, and will either spin, lie, or re-write the news to be liberal/progressive opinion, or just outright propraganda.
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The Washington Post, like the New York Times (liberal Bible or Koran) and 95% of other newspapers are extremely left wing biased, and will either spin, lie, or re-write the news to be liberal/progressive opinion, or just outright propraganda.
In the competition to scoop the other news agencies, media often gets it wrong initially and has to backtrack. The difference is they correct the story as more data comes in unlike the alt right news sources that just keep repeating BS untill people stop listening.
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In the competition to scoop the other news agencies, media often gets it wrong initially and has to backtrack. The difference is they correct the story as more data comes in unlike the alt right news sources that just keep repeating BS untill people stop listening.
The only reason they backtracked this story is they got caught.
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The only reason they backtracked this story is they got caught.
And when they DO correct the fake news that was originally on the FRONT PAGE, the correction is in small print on the back page. Nice deception, huh?
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And when they DO correct the fake news that was originally on the FRONT PAGE, the correction is in small print on the back page. Nice deception, huh?
The alt right isn't bother correcting any of their BS, anywhere, not even the back page.
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The alt right isn't bother correcting any of their BS, anywhere, not even the back page.
Wait, you mean Brietbart isn't a trusted source? It's so widely used here!
Hmm..
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Wait, you mean Brietbart isn't a trusted source? It's so widely used here!
What has Brietbart put out that was false?
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I saw the same Ford story in Breitbart, and then CNN. I chose to quote CNN in the other thread because liberal/progressives unfairly try to demonize Breitbart, and hold CNN up as the stalwart of news information. Breitbart, like Drudge often links stories from other sources.
Again, please cite where Breitbart has purposely misled.
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Breitbart, like Drudge often links stories from other sources.
This exactly. Both outlets use other reports and put their spin on it to entertain their audience. These outlets don't do any actual reporting, they editorialize in order to promote their agenda.
It's not just the alt right. The "alt left?" does the same thing. Their language caters to the neoliberal and progressive folk. It's all about promoting agenda and one has to read the linked ACTUAL reports and sources to find out what's really going on.
Again, please cite where Breitbart has purposely misled.
I don't have to. You did it for me.
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I often see the same stories on Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc. Some are their own stories by there own writers, except for Drudge which are all links. When I see a story that interests me, I go to several sources.
The Ford story was in all of the above including MSNBC, and CNN.
Unless you are actually there, you really don't know what happened, do you?
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I often see the same stories on Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, Fox, etc. Some are their own stories by there own writers, except for Drudge which are all links. When I see a story that interests me, I go to several sources.
Unless you are actually there, you really don't know what happened, do you?
Good point, which is why it's always a good idea to check multiple outlets if an actual source is unavailable.
Brietbart and Drudge don't report. They editorialize. To quote them as a source is to proclaim one's laziness and zest to obtain confirmation bias.
Find any story or event. Read the local news source, usually the best report. Then go read AP, Reuters, or BBC. Then check out Slate, The Atlantic, or The Economist. Then check out MSNBC or Fox News (national). THEN, check out Brietbart or OccupyDemocrats.
You'll see what I mean.
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Brietbart and Drudge don't report. They editorialize. To quote them as a source is to proclaim one's laziness and zest to obtain confirmation bias.
You could say the same for CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, AP, and Reuters which are liberal/progressive sources, as are Washpo, NYT, etc. They are liberal editorials cloaked as news.
You'll see what I mean.
Oh, do tell.
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You could say the same for CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, AP, and Reuters which are liberal/progressive sources, as are Washpo, NYT, etc. They are liberal editorials cloaked as news.
Oh, do tell.
I'd argue that the AP and Reuters are not liberal/progressive sources just based on their business model. Now if you believe all traditional news organizations are biased, you might would try to lump them in with the "liberal media". But remember, their business models depend on selling news (et al) to the broadest array of buyers they can, and that includes buyers with a conservative slant.
I think they're a fine place to begin, along with local news, if you're trying to start as neutral as the current media environment will allow.
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I'd argue that the AP and Reuters are not liberal/progressive sources just based on their business model. Now if you believe all traditional news organizations are biased, you might would try to lump them in with the "liberal media". But remember, their business models depend on selling news (et al) to the broadest array of buyers they can, and that includes buyers with a conservative slant.
I think they're a fine place to begin, along with local news, if you're trying to start as neutral as the current media environment will allow.
Our local newspaper, an AP voice, is biased. For example, if Trump tweets something, they'll have huge headlines about it, but leave off half the tweet, thus changing the meaning entirely. Same with the TV news. Another example is twisting the story to make an inflammatory, misleading headline. All the time.
I used to trust Reuters, but not so much anymore. Really, I don't trust any of 'em, and just try to put together a mix of what I see, read and hear.
www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/08/01/pat-caddell-on-cooked-reuters-poll-never-in-my-life-have-i-seen-a-news-organization-do-something-so-dishonest/ (http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/08/01/pat-caddell-on-cooked-reuters-poll-never-in-my-life-have-i-seen-a-news-organization-do-something-so-dishonest/)
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Oh, do tell.
Again..I don't have to.
Asechrest nailed it.
It's not in the interests of AP, Reuters, or local news outlets to cater to liberals or conservatives. The Hill, The Economist, The Financial Times and recently Slate come close but one could perceive a bias in their reporting or their choice of story. Given the extremism rampant among other outlets, these sources stand above their competitors.
MSNBC, CNN, and FNC stand together. While entertaining, they provide little information to the electorate. MSNBC and FNC slant their reporting left and right, respectively. CNN attempts to take the middle "high ground," but they are so full of crap tabloid journalism 80% of the time it's tough to cipher through the bullshit. Drudge could be summed up in this group, but they have moments where they forget themselves and start with the bullshit.
Speaking of bullshit, we get to your darlings..
The pornographers of news. Mental masturbation for the weak minded seeking nothing more than confirmation bias aiding in justification for their bombastic world view. Brietbart, OccupyDemocrats, any media outlet after that with the name "conservative" or "progressive" in it. These articles are nearly always rife with hyperbole, innuendo, vitriol, and skewed facts to promote their agendas. They always cater to a specific simple audience. Sure, they are entertaining to read, and they might have a minutia of real information.
But they're utter crap, and a glowing example of some of the problems our new insta-information-gratification society faces. People have their world view of how things are going. As such, they are more apt to subscribe to a writer that espouses those world views. Such writers could substitute facts with hyperbole and innuendo, and the like-minded would be none the wiser. We have tons of fake news out there. How does one figure out what's real between what's nothing more than news porn?
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Mainstream and (my) local media spin and leave out germane information. For example, they report a Trump tweet but leave half of it off, entirely changing its meaning. Headlines blare one thing in my local paper but a closer look reveals the headline is misleading.
We could probably say truthfully that all media is biased. But if people look further into an issue, they can usually find some truth by going straight to the source, as in checking Trump's Twitter feed, or checking another news site. Easier now than ever, but many don't do it, maybe?
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I would agree. Many don't do their due diligence in researching the back story. Probably because the back story makes the headline somewhat less sensational, and thus less "ad worthy."
If Congress enacted a law to force networks to inform the electorate without any regard to advertising, I think we would see a different approach to "the news."
I could lay odds of the chance of that happening and I know it'd be a suckers bet to anyone stupid enough to take me up on it. Sensationalism and hyperbole sell ads, and there "ain't no way" a corporation is gonna give up some cash to "do the right thing."
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I would agree. Many don't do their due diligence in researching the back story. Probably because the back story makes the headline somewhat less sensational, and thus less "ad worthy."
If Congress enacted a law to force networks to inform the electorate without any regard to advertising, I think we would see a different approach to "the news."
I could lay odds of the chance of that happening and I know it'd be a suckers bet to anyone stupid enough to take me up on it. Sensationalism and hyperbole sell ads, and there "ain't no way" a corporation is gonna give up some cash to "do the right thing."
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iow, we need a law preventing misleading news.
yep, that'll fix it.
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Here's an insidious fake news piece. I was getting my Irish up re the TSA until I reached the punch line. See if you can spot it.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/silence-producers-joke-at-airport-security-leads-vagina-patdown-963324
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"We've had a 900 percent increase in women trying to get into Planned Parenthood to get an IUD because they are desperately concerned that they might lose their access to health care, and they know that Planned Parenthood is the place that can provide it," Richards said on the program, reports The Cut."
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Here's an insidious fake news piece. I was getting my Irish up re the TSA until I reached the punch line. See if you can spot it.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/silence-producers-joke-at-airport-security-leads-vagina-patdown-963324
Those damn Russians!!
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"We've had a 900 percent increase in women trying to get into Planned Parenthood to get an IUD because they are desperately concerned that they might lose their access to health care, and they know that Planned Parenthood is the place that can provide it," Richards said on the program, reports The Cut."
Bingo.
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Pathetic, sadly illogical and as dishonest as a democrat congressman at a church picnic doesn't begin to describe the intellectual corruption of the planned parenthood pack of lying scum.
Nothing but buzzwords and bullshit, all the time.
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Pathetic, sadly illogical and as dishonest as a democrat congressman at a church picnic doesn't begin to describe the intellectual corruption of the planned parenthood pack of lying scum.
Nothing but buzzwords and bullshit, all the time.
Blah, blah, blah. Do you ever tire of the unceasing criticism/name calling? Do you ever have anything constructive to offee? I get it, you don't like liberals, Democrats, or liberal democrats. Nothing but buzzwords and bullshit, all the time. Funny how those words exactly fit your posting history.
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Blah, blah, blah. Do you ever tire of the unceasing criticism/name calling? Do you ever have anything constructive to offee? I get it, you don't like liberals, Democrats, or liberal democrats. Nothing but buzzwords and bullshit, all the time. Funny how those words exactly fit your posting history.
Got anything constructive to contribute to the impending Trump Administration (God I love writing that!) ?
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Got anything constructive to contribute to the impending Trump Administration (God I love writing that!) ?
Yeah, I'm willing to give him a shot provided he STFU everytime anyone says anything critical about him. If he wastes his energy responding to every celebrity or every perceived slight by the news media, he won't make America great again.
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Yeah, I'm willing to give him a shot provided he STFU everytime anyone says anything critical about him. If he wastes his energy responding to every celebrity or every perceived slight by the news media, he won't make America great again.
Doesn't matter, as the butt hurt liberals and the Alt Left controlled media will find fault with anything and everything the new administration says and does.
This is yet another reason the alt left media has become a joke.
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Doesn't matter, as the butt hurt liberals and the Alt Left controlled media will find fault with anything and everything the new administration says and does.
This is yet another reason the alt left media has become a joke.
I'm wondering who the alt left media might be.
In your perception at least.
Trump is giving folks the fodder they want. Whether he childishly tweets taunts to his Celebrity Apprentice successor, or he tweets non-witty zingers to an actress, it's now somewhat newsworthy because he is the PeOTUS. If he's getting in his last kicks before taking oath, that's one thing.
Hardcore conservatives should be happy here. If Trump keeps up his antics, this country will swear in a Mr. Pence to the POTUS before we know it.
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Doesn't matter, as the butt hurt liberals and the Alt Left controlled media will find fault with anything and everything the new administration says and does.
This is yet another reason the alt left media has become a joke.
I see daily lies about Trump in many media websites. Sometimes the event, or statement occurred, but it is spun in a negative, and untrue way. It is misinformation, and disinformation. Pure propaganda to discredit Trump. This is what our media has become over the last fifty years. Even Cronkite admitted he was a liberal/progressive, and skewed the "news" to mold public opinion.
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Yeah, I'm willing to give him a shot provided he STFU everytime anyone says anything critical about him. If he wastes his energy responding to every celebrity or every perceived slight by the news media, he won't make America great again.
I could agree with this, with one exception. If the criticism against Trump is a distortion of the truth, or an outright lie, then I have no problem with him lashing out.
If the criticism of him is merely an opinion, such as an actor saying they don't like Trump, then he needs to be quiet.
And I disagree with his tactic of attacking the character and careers of his critics. I would rather him attack the message.
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I see daily lies about Trump in many media websites. Sometimes the event, or statement occurred, but it is spun in a negative, and untrue way. It is misinformation, and disinformation. Pure propaganda to discredit Trump. This is what our media has become over the last fifty years. Even Cronkite admitted he was a liberal/progressive, and skewed the "news" to mold public opinion.
Fake News = anything critical of Donald Trump
Russian interference in an American election = Fake News
Russian hacking of DNC = Fake News
Trump failure to release tax returns = Fake News (no one except Fake Media cares)
Trump failure to release who he owes money to and how much = Fake News (has no debt of consequence)
Intelligence Agencies high confidence that Russian Government directed illegal efforts to favor Donald Trump campaign = Fake News
Donald Trump mocking disabled reporter = Fake News (DT says never happened, he was just demonstrating groveling)
Donald Trump stating he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing in the streets after 9-11 = Fake News (okay, this one was really fake, the dancing part not the Donald Trump stating he saw it part)
Donald Trump has revealed his tactic for answering any criticism, unfounded or legitimate: call everything fake news and condition stupid people to be unable to separate the chaff from the wheat. Respond to everything and tweet enough crap so that people see everything as crap. Make America great again by a blatant disregard for everything that makes America different from say, Russia.
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Fake News = Buzzfeed latching on to this Russia Dossier thing and trying to make it relevant when it was proven months ago to not be.
Fake News = CNN for taking the Buzzfeed story and trying to make something out of it.
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BTW, for Witmo......
We WON.......Get Over It.
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BTW, for Witmo......
We WON.......Get Over It.
I'm over it, all over it.