PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on September 11, 2021, 06:02:06 PM
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Contrary to the bullshit speed by our resident communist democrats, 26 out of the 27 "scientists" who trashed chinese release of COVID virus have identifiable ties to wuhan researchers.
Every time a liberal opens his mouth to cast dispersion on the obvious truth that COVID 19 is a bio weapon released AGAINST America and not any of the other bullshit china has forced American liberal handmaidens of axis, the truth makes them out to be idiots and liars.
Clearly china exerts enormous pressure on stupid people (liberals and other forms of losers, government workers, and the media whores) and all liberal servants of the CCP tie the line no matter what.
mikey and all the other apologists for the fucking communist chinese government owe us all an apology.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9980015/26-Lancet-scientists-trashed-theory-Covid-leaked-Chinese-lab-links-Wuhan.html
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Three ways COVID came from a lab in Wuhan:
First, they invented it from whole cloth. If that's the case we've lost already. If they can create a virus that's as infectious and deadly as COVID then the next one will kill everyone but Chinese and they'll take over the World. I doubt strongly this is so. I know lots of Chinese scientists and they're not one whit better (and in some ways not as good) as Western Scientists.
Second, they isolated it from bats and let it loose on purpose. Why they'd do that in China is a bit of a mystery. All they had to do is infect a Convict or someone and put him on a plane to Europe.
Third, it escaped from the lab. That is the most plausible mechanism of the three, since an infectious virus like COVID is difficult to contain unless you're spotless about aseptic technique, and world on the street is perhaps the Chinese were less than spot on. This is nearly impossible to count out, as the Chinese have been enormously secretive about the whole thing.
It is still the least plausible route of COVID emergence. The theory that it came from bush meat has several things going for it. First, that is the route taken by practically every respiratory disease that's emerged from that part of the world, not to mention Africa. HIV, SARS, MERS, and lots of others have jumped into humans this way. The initial infections were all clustered around the wet markets. Moreover, most mammals can serve as a reservoir for COVID. The angiotensin converting enzyme 2 is highly conserved, so there are numerous mammals that can harbor the virus. And it is very, very infective.
I freely admit we can't rule out a lab escape and I doubt we ever will.
And by the Daily Mail's criterion I have ties to Wuhan. I have received grants from the NIH, thus I am associated with them. They have funded projects in Wuhan. Hence I am associated with Wuhan.
I do have colleagues in China with whom I had active collaborations when I was doing Science, though no one in Wuhan. It isn't unusual for good scientists to have international collaborations.
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Pope Tony funded this. That’s been proven. And it was gain of function, this too has been proven.
Fauci is a modern day Mengele.
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Pope Tony funded this. That’s been proven. And it was gain of function, this too has been proven.
Fauci is a modern day Mengele.
Once again, find me a credible report that COVID was a product of some sort of atificial process. Somewhere other than one of your conspiracy rags please. Like I said, if you're right we've already lost. We can't do that. if they can, they can pick off people around the world at will and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop them.
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Once again, find me a credible report that COVID was a product of some sort of atificial process. Somewhere other than one of your conspiracy rags please. Like I said, if you're right we've already lost. We can't do that. if they can, they can pick off people around the world at will and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop them.
If you actually had a clue about the subject you teach, you could figure it out.
You’re a phony, plain and simple and you keep it on display for all to see.
Go crawl back into your bottle till you drink yourself to sleep.
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Poor mikey.
He just NEEDS attention so bad he will whore out any discussion to try and feel special.
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Once again, find me a credible report that COVID was a product of some sort of atificial process. Somewhere other than one of your conspiracy rags please. Like I said, if you're right we've already lost. We can't do that. if they can, they can pick off people around the world at will and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop them.
The trouble with your statement about conspiracy rags is that the reverse is also true. If the CDC suspects that the Fauci funded gain of function research at Wuhan had anything to do with Covid19, the CDC and federal government will cover it up. You won’t hear about it in any official scientific source or mainstream media. So I can’t trust your sources any more than you trust “right wing conspiracy” sources.
I don’t know what happened but I don’t trust any sources of information at this point.
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Once again, find me a credible report that COVID was a product of some sort of atificial process.
Gain of function research doesn't have to be artificial. "All" you have to do is cull the mutations that aren't desirable and keep the ones that are. Then, after many millions of replications, you have a nastier virus than you started with. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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... It isn't unusual for good scientists to have international collaborations.
and it's not unusual for bad scientists to have international collaborations.
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Gain of function research doesn't have to be artificial. "All" you have to do is cull the mutations that aren't desirable and keep the ones that are. Then, after many millions of replications, you have a nastier virus than you started with. Wash, rinse, repeat.
The scientists are claiming that “gain of function” has been going on for thousands of years. They’re talking about cross breeding plants or otherwise manipulating plant (or animal) reproduction to give it more of the “function” that they want. They underplay the fact that here we’re not talking about cross pollinating flowers, we’re talking about manipulating microscopic pathogens by direct gene editing. That comparison seems disingenuous. They’re really not the same thing at all. And they have to nerve to get offended when we don’t buy it. “Man has been doing this for thousands of years.” No we haven’t.
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The scientists are claiming that “gain of function” has been going on for thousands of years. They’re talking about cross breeding plants or otherwise manipulating plant (or animal) reproduction to give it more of the “function” that they want. They underplay the fact that here we’re not talking about cross pollinating flowers, we’re talking about manipulating microscopic pathogens by direct gene editing. That comparison seems disingenuous. They’re really not the same thing at all. And they have to nerve to get offended when we don’t buy it. “Man has been doing this for thousands of years.” No we haven’t.
Few people understand biological warfare. Gain of function in virology is a premise behind biological warfare.
The CCP uses The Wuhan Institute for biological warfare development. Fact. Anthony Fauci used taxpayer funds to fund the Wuhan Institute. That’s fact. Anthony Fauci knee full well what the CCP was doing with the research. Another fact.
Bottom line. Tony Fauci deliberately helped the CCP developed a weaponized virus that was used against our country, and now Fauci is trying to profit from vaccine developments.
None of this is secret. The emails and paper trails are out there. The MSM is looking the other way, and the DCP will protect their savior.
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Facts are so inconvenient for poor, pathetic, drunken, mikey.
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What you call "gain of function" has been my bread and butter for years. What I did every day of my life from when I was 19 to when I was 55. We can manipulate nucleic acids with elegant precision, we've been able to do that for decades. The problem comes with wisdom, i.e. what sequences do you manipulate? What effects will they have? We're truly in our infancy asking such questions, even of simple life forms like viruses.
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What you call "gain of function" has been my bread and butter for years. What I did every day of my life from when I was 19 to when I was 55. We can manipulate nucleic acids with elegant precision, we've been able to do that for decades. The problem comes with wisdom, i.e. what sequences do you manipulate? What effects will they have? We're truly in our infancy asking such questions, even of simple life forms like viruses.
Gain of function being used in a bioweapons lab has one purpose and one purpose only. You have repeatedly shown total ignorance on biowarfare.
You're an apologist for the CCP and in constant denial of already published and documented facts.
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What you call "gain of function" has been my bread and butter for years. What I did every day of my life from when I was 19 to when I was 55. We can manipulate nucleic acids with elegant precision, we've been able to do that for decades. The problem comes with wisdom, i.e. what sequences do you manipulate? What effects will they have? We're truly in our infancy asking such questions, even of simple life forms like viruses.
It's not just "what you call" but it seems that's what everyone calls it. But what is the proper scientific name for the process of making respiratory pathogens into a pandemic? Note that this was a big issue after some "incidents" during the Obama administration.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285586/
On October 17, 2014, spurred by incidents at U.S. government laboratories that raised serious biosafety concerns, the U.S. government launched a 1-year deliberative process to address the continuing controversy surrounding so-called “gain-of-function” (GoF) research on respiratory pathogens with pandemic potential (White House, 2014a).1
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The GoF controversy began in late 2011 with the question of whether to publish the results of two experiments involving H5N1 avian influenza and continued to focus on certain research with highly pathogenic avian influenza over the next 3 years.3 The new U.S. policy expanded the scope to include experiments with the coronaviruses that cause Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). The heart of the U.S. process is an evaluation of the potential risks and benefits of certain types of GoF experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses that would “inform the development and adoption of a new U.S. Government policy governing the funding and conduct of gain-of-function research” (White House, 2014a:3). As part of the process, the government also instituted a pause in both new and current funding for some GoF research projects while the evaluation was carried out.
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From the document cited above, it seems pretty clear. Gain of Function research on highly pathogenic viruses was deemed too dangerous to conduct in the US so it had to be moved offshore. To China. What could possibly go wrong?
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From the document cited above, it seems pretty clear. Gain of Function research on highly pathogenic viruses was deemed too dangerous to conduct in the US so it had to be moved offshore. To China. What could possibly go wrong?
Exactly. And Pope Tony was instructed to stop funding it, so he went around it using a third party to keep funding it.
Pope Tony made this statement
“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote at the time.
“Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”
https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/fauci-once-argued-viral-experiments-worth-the-risk-of-pandemic/
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It’s time to start referring to the fraud, tony the quack, as a mass murderer and link his name to every death, COVID illness and positive test.’
He and the traitor bathhouse barry are at least 50% responsible, so it’s time to put the blame where it legitimately belongs.
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From the document cited above, it seems pretty clear. Gain of Function research on highly pathogenic viruses was deemed too dangerous to conduct in the US so it had to be moved offshore. To China. What could possibly go wrong?
No, that’s not possible. It must still be going on, since it was Steingar’s bread and butter for 36 years. He wouldn’t embellish, would he?
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https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/ordeal-by-narrative/
Has doctor Anthony Fauci booked passage to Paraguay yet? Like, on a smallish container barge registered in Cote D’Ivoire, conveying a six months backlog of cars stolen out of Essex County, New Jersey, for detailing and re-sale way up that lazy river to Asunción? The captain has a comfortable guest cabin, price negotiable, but better bring your own food. The US Intel Community will not find the good doctor down there because they will not bother looking for him. And so, the distinguished American public servant will live out his last days in exile among the swooping fruit bats and grinning crocodiles, to the music of toucans screeching in the silk-floss trees (Chorisa speciosa).
Anyway, that’s my fantasy du jour. Walt Disney had it right: America’s fate would be a descent into pure fantasy as the final product of our many twentieth century triumphs. It is increasingly difficult, for instance, to sort fact from fantasy in Dr. Fauci’s magnum opus: the Covid-19 pandemic, starting from the premise that it actually exists. There was some kind of rumpus in Wuhan, China, in January of 2020… folks dropping dead in their tracks on the sidewalks (captured on closed circuit TVs)… folks getting the doors to their apartments welded shut… and then what?
Not much indication of further freak-outs inside China since back then. Perhaps the virus has been raging over there all the while, but a million here, a million there, do you really notice the attrition in a land of 1.4 billion? Or did they just switch off that groove on their narrative machine? The CCP can do that, I hear.
Back in the USA, where you’d have to subtract a billion and then-some in population, something was surely killing folks, though, overwhelmingly, most of those folks were already sick, and old, pretty much in the check-out zone. In 2020, the death of old and sick people was declared… impermissible! Death suddenly had no place in the exceptional order of things American. (Ask old Uncle Walt, who reportedly had his head and its gelatinous contents cryogenically frozen, in expectation of future re-animation via science magic! Still waiting for him to come back….)
Of course, the new medical rules-of-engagement circa 2020 included the denial of early treatment with known common anti-viral drugs for folks coming down with early symptoms of the mystery illness. So, while pretending to object to the implacable fact of death — a certainty of the human condition, according to science — we killed a whole bunch of people by withholding treatment. And concurrently, we rolled out the vaccines promising to “protect everybody” only to learn that it provided other, even more diabolical, routes to death.
And so, we’re left as of last week with the putative leader, “Joe Biden,” of a fantasy cult formerly known as the United States, barking at the populace to line up and get vaxed… or else! Did you flash on Jonestown, Guyana, 1978, the Peoples Temple, and the Rev. Jim Jones exhorting his deranged followers to “drink the Kool-Aid?” Is this whole extravaganza starting to look like a two-year-long bad dream that you’re finally waking up from?
It was heartening to see those football stadiums this weekend filled to their super-spreading parapets with good folks chanting the magic words of exorcism: “Fuck Joe Biden.” And with such exuberance! As if returning home to genuine and familiar consciousness after a hypnotic journey to a weird plane of existence where anything goes and nothing matters. They are finally unimpressed after eight months of this gibbering empty suit who so ineptly fronts for a shadow administration operating wholly outside the law. We are going to get to the bottom of just how they put us through this wringer of the national soul, and exactly who was behind it.
After the initial flush of liberation, though, things get real. The hard work resumes and you start to feel pain again. I have a hunch that the weeks ahead will be doozies as the collective national mind undergoes reconstruction and narratives fall away with the season’s blazing leaves. A great sorting out of the real from the unreal lies ahead. Illusions will dissolve. The fog will lift. Some will be blinded by the light, even as we head into the darkest time of the year.
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Just ran into two Dem friends. To quote them:
Trump keeps saying he won! But he didn’t!
Trump left Biden with a mess in Afghanistan so Biden had no choice but to do what he did!
We’re all vaxxed and will get all the boosters we need! The vaccines work!
Republicans are going to destroy Medicare and Social Security!
When I provided them with a different view on each topic: blank stares and head shakes.
They’re vaxxed alright. With antibodies to the truth.
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I've said this for five decades...
Liberals are stupid.
They just are.
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Gain of function being used in a bioweapons lab has one purpose and one purpose only. You have repeatedly shown total ignorance on biowarfare.
You're an apologist for the CCP and in constant denial of already published and documented facts.
No, I show your ignorance of bioweapons (know anyone working in those labs?) and biology. Most bioweapons research is aimed at weaponizing known pathogens. Biology is hard, really hard. It's complex, and just when you think you know what's going on another layer of complexity makes itself known.
Like I said, if things are as you say we've already lost. If someone can make a pathogen like COVID they can make another. They can easily kill everyone with wave after wave of pandemic and can't be stopped with any force.
But of course you think you know better because you saw something on the internet.
By the way, I asked (I thought rather nicely) for a reference to this "artificial process" or "gain of function" that you're claiming created COVID. Here, I'll put up:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9)
I've shown you mine. Why don't you show me yours?
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I have to wonder how much a person knows about bioweapons when they've never held a clearance.
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No, I show your ignorance of bioweapons (know anyone working in those labs?) and biology. Most bioweapons research is aimed at weaponizing known pathogens. Biology is hard, really hard. It's complex, and just when you think you know what's going on another layer of complexity makes itself known.
Like I said, if things are as you say we've already lost. If someone can make a pathogen like COVID they can make another. They can easily kill everyone with wave after wave of pandemic and can't be stopped with any force.
But of course you think you know better because you saw something on the internet.
By the way, I asked (I thought rather nicely) for a reference to this "artificial process" or "gain of function" that you're claiming created COVID. Here, I'll put up:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9)
More of your psychobabble talk? Letting the bottle do your talking again?
Why are you so trying to defend the indefensible so hard? Has the CCP promised to tenure you in one of their universities?
I've shown you mine. Why don't you show me yours?
You must use that line quite a bit down at the playground.............
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But of course you think you know better because you saw something on the internet.
By the way, I asked (I thought rather nicely) for a reference to this "artificial process" or "gain of function" that you're claiming created COVID. Here, I'll put up:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9)
I've shown you mine. Why don't you show me yours?
You probably missed this on Page 1.
It's not just "what you call" but it seems that's what everyone calls it. But what is the proper scientific name for the process of making respiratory pathogens into a pandemic? Note that this was a big issue after some "incidents" during the Obama administration.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285586/
On October 17, 2014, spurred by incidents at U.S. government laboratories that raised serious biosafety concerns, the U.S. government launched a 1-year deliberative process to address the continuing controversy surrounding so-called “gain-of-function” (GoF) research on respiratory pathogens with pandemic potential (White House, 2014a).1
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The GoF controversy began in late 2011 with the question of whether to publish the results of two experiments involving H5N1 avian influenza and continued to focus on certain research with highly pathogenic avian influenza over the next 3 years.3 The new U.S. policy expanded the scope to include experiments with the coronaviruses that cause Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). The heart of the U.S. process is an evaluation of the potential risks and benefits of certain types of GoF experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses that would “inform the development and adoption of a new U.S. Government policy governing the funding and conduct of gain-of-function research” (White House, 2014a:3). As part of the process, the government also instituted a pause in both new and current funding for some GoF research projects while the evaluation was carried out.
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mikey never 'misses' things.
He just ignores everything he hasn't been ordered to notice by his communist masters.
It's really quite easy once you realize he is just a robot, babbling whatever bullshit he is ordered to babble by his masters in the ccp.
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You probably missed this on Page 1.
It's not just "what you call" but it seems that's what everyone calls it. But what is the proper scientific name for the process of making respiratory pathogens into a pandemic? Note that this was a big issue after some "incidents" during the Obama administration.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285586/
Same exact thing happened in the 70's when folks started using restriction enzymes and moving bits back and forth into bacteria. And still no one can point to anything credible saying COVID was artificially engineered.
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Same exact thing happened in the 70's when folks started using restriction enzymes and moving bits back and forth into bacteria. And still no one can point to anything credible saying COVID was artificially engineered.
And we will never know either way because China will never let us investigate. That’s what happens when we ban it here and then send it to China, we lost control of it.
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And we will never know either way because China will never let us investigate. That’s what happens when we ban it here and then send it to China, we lost control of it.
And we all know the CCP wouldn't weaponize anything, and would only use it to benefit mankind.
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Same exact thing happened in the 70's when folks started using restriction enzymes and moving bits back and forth into bacteria. And still no one can point to anything credible saying COVID was artificially engineered.
And you can't point to anything credible that says that COVID was not artificially engineered. So we have a standoff. However, there is evidence that the US was actively working on making coronavirus more lethal with gain of function research, and there were some "incidents". Foochi was funding GoF research in China. In the lab right next to where the pandemic started. Seems pretty clear cut. There is way more evidence that it was artificially engineered than evidence that it was not.
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And we all know the CCP wouldn't weaponize anything, and would only use it to benefit mankind.
Yes, because altruism is always at the heart of communist regimes.
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And you can't point to anything credible that says that COVID was not artificially engineered. So we have a standoff. However, there is evidence that the US was actively working on making coronavirus more lethal with gain of function research, and there were some "incidents". Foochi was funding GoF research in China. In the lab right next to where the pandemic started. Seems pretty clear cut. There is way more evidence that it was artificially engineered than evidence that it was not.
To be fair, correlation is not causation. But it is suspicious enough that it’s a legitimate question that should NOT be dismissed as “conspiracy theory”. And that’s the biggest problem here, the suppression of anything that doesn’t fully agree with the government’s official story. We should always be free to question the government, that’s the very point of the first amendment!
The suppression of free speech in the U.S. is a bigger problem even than the virus itself, whether or not it was engineered and whether or not it was for the purpose of a bioweapon if it was.
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And you can't point to anything credible that says that COVID was not artificially engineered.
It is impossible to prove a negative. No matter what is done, nobody can ever prove that something wasn’t done. Every absence of evidence could have a legitimate reason.
Example: Genetic manipulation is not known to be this good. We expect that if the genes had been manipulated, it would have been clumsy and there would be markers. But we don’t see markers. However, is it possible China has gotten really good at this and they can hide those markers? Yes, it’s possible. Therefore a natural looking virus with no signs of manipulation is not proof that it wasn’t modified.
Because of this limitation, the commonly agreed upon approach is to accept the negative as true unless someone can show proof otherwise. We therefore presume the virus was not manipulated unless someone shows proof it was. So far, no such proof has been given.
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It is impossible to prove a negative. No matter what is done, nobody can ever prove that something wasn’t done. Every absence of evidence could have a legitimate reason.
Example: Genetic manipulation is not known to be this good. We expect that if the genes had been manipulated, it would have been clumsy and there would be markers. But we don’t see markers. However, is it possible China has gotten really good at this and they can hide those markers? Yes, it’s possible. Therefore a natural looking virus with no signs of manipulation is not proof that it wasn’t modified.
Because of this limitation, the commonly agreed upon approach is to accept the negative as true unless someone can show proof otherwise. We therefore presume the virus was not manipulated unless someone shows proof it was. So far, no such proof has been given.
why is it necessary that there be markers?
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Yeah, there are many flaws in my argument. I'm counting on the Perfessor to simply react and not read for content.
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https://thenationalpulse.com/news/fauci-funded-study-recombining-viruses-used-pla-data/
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why is it necessary that there be markers?
Because the techniques that are used to modify virions are clumsy and leave traces.
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Because the techniques that are used to modify virions are clumsy and leave traces.
the KNOWN techniques in the unclassified domain.
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the KNOWN techniques in the unclassified domain.
I said the same thing above in my example of why you cannot prove a negative. You agreed with me, did you realize it?