PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: LevelWing on August 02, 2018, 11:54:40 AM
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Article from Mother Jones on so-called "Democratic Socialism":
But I do have one question left: plenty of other rich countries have tried this before, and eventually they’ve all given up because it doesn’t work as well as social democracy or some other form of mixed capitalism. So why will things be different this time?
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/08/i-still-have-one-question-about-democratic-socialism/
Mother Jones is clearly a very leftist outlet, which is fine because they don't hide it. I'm glad the author of this article recognizes and calls out that "Democratic Socialism" is really just socialism. I'm even more glad that he asks why socialism would be better than some sort of system with mixed capitalism.
Once again we come back to the most basic question of, "who's going to pay for all these social benefits"? You can tax the rich all you want, but eventually there's nothing left to tax. This is why Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio can't answer these questions, because they don't have a sufficient answer. Simply saying "make the rich pay their fair share" isn't enough anymore, because the next logical question becomes, what is that fair share and who decides what it is?
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The Left, including the Media don't think beyond the sound bite, nor the unintended consequences of Progressive (Communist) policy. Their only goal is to use the lies of "free stuff", tax the rich more, wealth redistribution to gain power. Ultimately their policies fail, and their answer is we just weren't Progressive enough, and then strive to double down on the insanity.
Maybe some on the Left are starting to recognize they are just being used for the power grab by the elite, Statist, Globalist types puling the strings.
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Maybe some on the Left are starting to recognize they are just being used for the power grab by the elite, Statist, Globalist types puling the strings.
No they aren't. At least the lefties I know aren't. They still blame everything bad on Trump and give Obama credit for everything good. And they all think poverty is caused by greedy rich people.
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Socialism sounds good to those who don't like to think.
Earlier this week I was driving around LA and flipping through radio stations. I came across a liberal talk radio show so I listened in for a bit. They were espousing the virtues of socialism and why it would be so great. Then they went into a tirade against those disgusting evil republicans who simply just can't understand how much socialism would benefit everyone, even them.
Then, they started telling how we are already utilizing socialism in our society. The examples? Well, according to the anointed, the military is socialism! As well as the police, the fire department, local utilities, mass transit, etc.
After about 30 minutes I had to find something else to listen to.
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The Left mistakes taxpayer funded government services like the police, and military for socialism. It is because they are largely ignorant. If they knew better, they wouldn't be pushing for it.
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The Left mistakes taxpayer funded government services like the police, and military for socialism. It is because they are largely ignorant. If they knew better, they wouldn't be pushing for it.
If the left actually understood socialism and the consequences, they would run. But remember, the democrat party has been hijacked by the progressives which in reality are socialist communist.
Just imagine the Hollywood crowd, who love the progressives, actually had to live under socialism. Their mansions and all private property would become property of the government. Their high salaries would be taxed on a true progressive tax scale meaning that most of it would go to the government. Oh, and government would own and run television and movie productions. Think they will really want to get on board that train? Didn't think so.
Same goes for the sports crowd. Think those athletes would want to play for teams owned by the government? Think they would want to play for government pay scales? Wanna see how their "love of the sport" quickly goes away?
And our main stream media. Think they will want to work for government owned and operated TV and radio outlets?
"Socialism is for the people, not the socialist".
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Actually, I have had this conversation with a socialist “economist” before. Their answer is that there is enough to pay for it all because when The State owns everything, there is never a problem affording anything. Everything costs exactly what The State decides it will cost and if there isn’t enough cash floating around, that is fine, they will invent it. We have seen the made up money happen already when the Fed made up billions (trillions?) to bail out the banks and mortgage industry.
But short answer - The State will tell you what you need and what you do not need. By this method all citizens will have exactly what you should have. Because no resources are wasted, there is always enough to split up.
No, the guy could not answer my next inevitable question. When O asked what happens when there isn’t enough, he insisted that there was always enough. In socialism you adjust your expectations to match reality, although he never admitted that.
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When government controls prices, and wages, products magically disappear for all except the ruling elite, and politically (party) connected.
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You can ignore reality if you choose. You cannot ignore the effects of ignoring reality.
If there isn't enough to supply demand, you get a shortage - people crying in the streets for bread. If you have too much supply, you get a surplus, bread rotting on the shelves. These are not things that are controllable...The laws of Supply and Demand are not subject to cancellation.
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Socialism is defined as collective ownership of the means of production which is food and goods. Police and firefighters and military are not forms of socialism, they are servants to protect and serve an orderly and safe society - totally not the same thing.
In theory, everyone owns and controls the production and the market distribution and but in reality you cannot control a farm or a factory by mass mob. So a central authority is necessary usually the government. This leads to corruption and the very inequalities that socialism was supposed to prevent because it makes those in control of the government "more equal" than the rest.
"Democratic socialism" is nothing more than a repackaging of the same thing. Democratic socialists claim to avoid the problem of centralized control by "decentralizing" it - or putting the decisions back into the hands of everyone but I have yet to hear any good model of how exactly this is supposed to work. You can't run a farm or a factory by having all parties involved vote on every decision. At some point someone has to have more authority or nothing will get done and when "everybody" owns it, nobody owns it and then that party of authority will simply turn it for its own advantage.
Abolishing private ownership of the means of producing food and goods is the goal of all forms of socialism. If you hear a socialist claim that's not true, you can own your own garden, and sell your veggies, then what he is talking about is allowing a limited amount of capitalism hence not true socialism. Pro-socialists are notorious for pointing to supposed "socialist" systems that appear successful when they are really an amalgam of capitalism and socialism. Close inspection reveals the capitalist or private profit motive is the true driver of their success. Countless examples of this abound and of the complete and utter failure of true 100% socialist economies.
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https://youtu.be/hs3NzBx5ei0
Pardon the French/ English language mix. This is funny when Will Smith finds out that France is wanting a high tax rate to pay for all of the socialist programs.
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The first thing that rich celebrities, silicon valley types, and Dem politicians do when they hear taxes may go up on them is to call their Tax Accountant, and Tax Attorney to see how they can get out of them.
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The Left mistakes taxpayer funded government services like the police, and military for socialism. It is because they are largely ignorant. If they knew better, they wouldn't be pushing for it.
I disagree for this reason: I think when the left PRETENDS that necessary public service is proof that America is already socialist, it is another lie they try to sell, because they have no actual proof that socialism works, ever worked, or will ever work.
Everything about the left in America is about stamping out the truth in favor of their agenda and demonizing everything that tells a different story.