PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President in Exile YOLT on August 04, 2021, 01:42:17 PM
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Until now:
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If he and Trump both run in the primaries I am going to have a hell of a dilemma.
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If he and Trump both run in the primaries I am going to have a hell of a dilemma.
I agree with you, and I would have to go with DeSantis. We need a conservative for 8 years, not just 4. Also, I truly think he would lose the general.
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I agree with you, and I would have to go with DeSantis. We need a conservative for 8 years, not just 4. Also, I truly think he would lose the general.
Which “he” would lose the general? Trump?
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Which “he” would lose the general? Trump?
Yes. I think the accusations of him re: 1/6 will not separate him from the faithful, but will separate him from the squishy independents who may have voted for him. Plus, a strong strategic argument can be made that we need a younger Trump, and someone who could have 8 years in office. I don’t like voting for a one-and-done. I would, of course, if he was the nominee, but I hope he isn’t.
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Yes. I think the accusations of him re: 1/6 will not separate him from the faithful, but will separate him from the squishy independents who may have voted for him. Plus, a strong strategic argument can be made that we need a younger Trump, and someone who could have 8 years in office. I don’t like voting for a one-and-done. I would, of course, if he was the nominee, but I hope he isn’t.
um, any President running for reelection is a "one-and-done" candidate...
So, I'm not following your logic.
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um, any President running for reelection is a "one-and-done" candidate...
So, I'm not following your logic.
Um, do you think I’m an idiot?
Of course that’s true. If Trump won, he would have had an uninterrupted 8 years as POTUS.
But he didn’t; the Democrat won. That changes everything.
I’m not interested in a fair fight. I want a conservative to win in 2024, and have the power of incumbency to win AGAIN in 2028. I don’t want to wait to see who is on deck in 2028 should Trump win in 2024.
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Yes. I think the accusations of him re: 1/6 will not separate him from the faithful, but will separate him from the squishy independents who may have voted for him. Plus, a strong strategic argument can be made that we need a younger Trump, and someone who could have 8 years in office. I don’t like voting for a one-and-done. I would, of course, if he was the nominee, but I hope he isn’t.
You left out that Trump has just pissed too many people off, especially those annoying Independents that a candidates needs to get elected.
DeSantis shows character and strength and for those reasons alone, he is better than Trump and puts every Democrat in the ground. It's a long time to 2024. Cue leftist media attacks on DeSantis in 3...2...1
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Um, do you think I’m an idiot?
Of course that’s true. If Trump won, he would have had an uninterrupted 8 years as POTUS.
But he didn’t; the Democrat won. That changes everything.
I’m not interested in a fair fight. I want a conservative to win in 2024, and have the power of incumbency to win AGAIN in 2028. I don’t want to wait to see who is on deck in 2028 should Trump win in 2024.
I want a two term "Trump like" President and at this point Trump may be too old and too damaged by a relentless MEDIA propaganda campaign. The SHEEPLE still believe them and we need some of their votes to win. DeSantis may be the answer.
However, will we ever have a somewhat fair, real election again?
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I agree with you, and I would have to go with DeSantis. We need a conservative for 8 years, not just 4. Also, I truly think he would lose the general.
Otoh, if DeSantis runs as Trump's VP, then we would be assured a conservative for 12 years.
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Otoh, if DeSantis runs as Trump's VP, then we would be assured a conservative for 12 years.
You're assuming Trump could get elected. I mean, he couldn't beat one of the worst Democrat candidates since Walter Mondale.
And Trump isn't damaged so much by media attacks and by his own arrogance and stupidity. if there was one decision that probably sidetracked everything, it was his decision to retain his twitter account.
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The guy is solid and probably the best choice going forward, and can hopefully convince Trump to campaign for him.
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You're assuming Trump could get elected. I mean, he couldn't beat one of the worst Democrat candidates since Walter Mondale.
And Trump isn't damaged so much by media attacks and by his own arrogance and stupidity. if there was one decision that probably sidetracked everything, it was his decision to retain his twitter account.
Bullshit. If the MEDIA didn't constantly repeat lies, make Trump's innocuous tweets seem like the end of the word and demonize him, then he would not be damaged nearly to this extent. Propaganda is used because it WORKS.
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President Trump is often far ahead of everyone else when it comes to strategy.
He probably already has a plan to set up DeSantis without seeming to be doing that.
While the scum bag left is busy attacking him to death, he is probably laughing his ass off
manipulating their every reaction.
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Bullshit. If the MEDIA didn't constantly repeat lies, make Trump's innocuous tweets seem like the end of the word and demonize him, then he would not be damaged nearly to this extent. Propaganda is used because it WORKS.
Yeah, but Flynn does have a point. The Media WILL continue to repeat those lies, because they DO work on a huge section of the populace. Trump will continue to be his real self and the media will continue to make him look bad by twisting words and taking things out of context. I do believe that media has succeeded in damaging Trump beyond repair. Of course though, Desantis is tied to Trump and that will hurt him too.
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Yeah, but Flynn does have a point. The Media WILL continue to repeat those lies, because they DO work on a huge section of the populace. Trump will continue to be his real self and the media will continue to make him look bad by twisting words and taking things out of context. I do believe that media has succeeded in damaging Trump beyond repair. Of course though, Desantis is tied to Trump and that will hurt him too.
So what is the solution?
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Um, do you think I’m an idiot?
Of course that’s true. If Trump won had been inaugurated, he would have had an uninterrupted 8 years as POTUS.
But he didn’t; the Democrat "won". That changes everything.
I’m not interested in a fair fight. I want a conservative to win in 2024, and have the power of incumbency to win AGAIN in 2028. I don’t want to wait to see who is on deck in 2028 should Trump win in 2024.
FIFY.
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You're assuming Trump could get elected. I mean, he couldn't beat one of the worst Democrat candidates since Walter Mondale.
Oh please. He won by a landslide.
And Trump isn't damaged so much by media attacks and by his own arrogance and stupidity. if there was one decision that probably sidetracked everything, it was his decision to retain his twitter account.
Arrogant maybe, stupid? No. His twittering was part of his great appeal to many. He wasn't afraid to shine light on the corrupt elite ruling class, his overt vulgarity nothing compared to their duplicitous, narcissistic rotten souls.
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You're assuming Trump could get elected. I mean, he couldn't beat one of the worst Democrat candidates since Walter Mondale.
And Trump isn't damaged so much by media attacks and by his own arrogance and stupidity. if there was one decision that probably sidetracked everything, it was his decision to retain his twitter account.
Completely disagree. He used his tweets to keep in direct, unfiltered contact with us, which endeared him to us. Countless times I’d see or hear something in the news and go straight to him to see his take on it. And countless times he refuted the twisted leftist messages. He’s now on Gab, and coming forth with the same truths. Twitter took him out because his truth telling was destroying the leftist narrative. Especially the narrative about January 6, with his tweets saying we should remain peaceful and go home. The media baldly lied that he encouraged violence, and everyone could see that those real tweets destroyed that narrative. There are sites though, that have his tweets archived, so they’re still visible but only to those who look for them.
The same night, January 8, that Twitter took his account down they took down hundreds of other conservative accounts, and Facebook took down many accounts as well, including the powerfully leftist-damning Walkaway group, with over half a million stories of people leaving the Democratic Party.
We call January 8 and its censoring purge the Night of the Long Knives.
If Trump had been a veiled President who didn’t speak directly to us about anything but swam along with the cabal, he would not have had his landslide victory. We all knew the government wasn’t working for the people anymore. And the massive steal proves it.
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Yeah, but Flynn does have a point. The Media WILL continue to repeat those lies, because they DO work on a huge section of the populace. Trump will continue to be his real self and the media will continue to make him look bad by twisting words and taking things out of context. I do believe that media has succeeded in damaging Trump beyond repair. Of course though, Desantis is tied to Trump and that will hurt him too.
Maybe, but kneeling to the enemedia instead of standing up is how GWB failed so wonderfully for eight years.
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You left out that Trump has just pissed too many people off, especially those annoying Independents that a candidates needs to get elected.
DeSantis shows character and strength and for those reasons alone, he is better than Trump and puts every Democrat in the ground. It's a long time to 2024. Cue leftist media attacks on DeSantis in 3...2...1
Save it on “pissing people off.” Trump got 11 million more votes than in 2016. People knew what they were getting. He just didn’t overcome the massive cheating.
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Bullshit. If the MEDIA didn't constantly repeat lies, make Trump's innocuous tweets seem like the end of the word and demonize him, then he would not be damaged nearly to this extent. Propaganda is used because it WORKS.
I totally agree.
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Arrogant maybe, stupid? No.
Stupid in the fact that he made himself ineffective, which means he failed to achieve what he could have. For example, if he had said yes to 25 billion for the wall, he would not have had to rob the military deployment housing fund to pay for much less wall.
So many others.
Comments about mexicans and muslims. He said he hoped putin got him elected, which tied his administration up in knots for years. The man does not have a smart political bone in his body. He wasted his reputation on 6th grade insults on twitter.
And he lost to Joe frickin' Biden. At least we know now why the Carters were smiling so widely in that weird photo. They had just met the man that was going to prove that Jimmy Carter was not the worst president ever.
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Stupid in the fact that he made himself ineffective, which means he failed to achieve what he could have. For example, if he had said yes to 25 billion for the wall, he would not have had to rob the military deployment housing fund to pay for much less wall.
So many others.
Comments about mexicans and muslims. He said he hoped putin got him elected, which tied his administration up in knots for years. The man does not have a smart political bone in his body. He wasted his reputation on 6th grade insults on twitter.
And he lost to Joe frickin' Biden. At least we know now why the Carters were smiling so widely in that weird photo. They had just met the man that was going to prove that Jimmy Carter was not the worst president ever.
You continue to not acknowledge massive Democrat mail in voter fraud. He didn't lose. Objectively prove me wrong.
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You continue to not acknowledge massive Democrat mail in voter fraud. He didn't lose. Objectively prove me wrong.
Establishment types NEVER feel the need to ante up.
They just toss out a pithy, bullshit comment and pretend to have won.
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You continue to not acknowledge massive Democrat mail in voter fraud. He didn't lose. Objectively prove me wrong.
It’s actually up to you to prove there was massive fraud. Biden is in the WH and Trump isn’t. Therefore the onus is on you (and I, since I believe there is clear evidence of fraud in Georgia and attempts at coverups in other states. But not yet enough to make your claim.)
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It’s actually up to you to prove there was massive fraud. Biden is in the WH and Trump isn’t. Therefore the onus is on you (and I, since I believe there is clear evidence of fraud in Georgia and attempts at coverups in other states. But not yet enough to make your claim.)
No. Solely due to a complicit MEDIA and Democrat controlled governments.
Did the Soviets or Chinese ever have a body that would admit they're wrongdoing?
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It’s actually up to you to prove there was massive fraud. Biden is in the WH and Trump isn’t. Therefore the onus is on you (and I, since I believe there is clear evidence of fraud in Georgia and attempts at coverups in other states. But not yet enough to make your claim.)
Your bullshit won't fly.
Pretending to be fair and balanced, all the while pandering the bullshit lies doesn't impress anyone but other liberals.
Just because you weren't there, do you believe (pretend) the Holocaust never occurred? Lots of liberals do. Let's be real.
Do you believe the film showing people rolling stacked boxes of ballots into police places AFTER states supposedly ordered all counting stopped? I guess you weren't present so we should believe you have no doubt it didn't happen.
What bullshit Jim.
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It’s actually up to you to prove there was massive fraud. Biden is in the WH and Trump isn’t. Therefore the onus is on you (and I, since I believe there is clear evidence of fraud in Georgia and attempts at coverups in other states. But not yet enough to make your claim.)
why does a discussion of voter fraud always get framed as "massive fraud"?
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why does a discussion of voter fraud always get framed as "massive fraud"?
Anthony used “massive”, hence my use of the term. I think it is used to distinguish fraud that made a difference in the outcome.
I already know there is evidence of election fraud in Georgia and indications in a few other states. But to convince others I prefer an argument that would convince an objective skeptic. I don’t feel I can yet make a convincing case to, say, my oldest sister who has retired to become a SJW :( I think I could be able to do that in a few weeks if it ever came up. We stay clear of discussing politics due to past clashes.
IMHO there is currently more evidence of election fraud than voter fraud. The former is executed by election officials and the more dangerous to democracy.
Lastly, it does look like independents side with Republicans in worrying more about voter fraud than voter suppression:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/05/americans-voter-fraud-suppression/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/05/americans-voter-fraud-suppression/)
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Anthony used “massive”, hence my use of the term. I think it is used to distinguish fraud that made a difference in the outcome.
I already know there is evidence of election fraud in Georgia and indications in a few other states. But to convince others I prefer an argument that would convince an objective skeptic. I don’t feel I can yet make a convincing case to, say, my oldest sister who has retired to become a SJW :( I think I could be able to do that in a few weeks if it ever came up. We stay clear of discussing politics due to past clashes.
I have a younger brother like that. :(
IMHO there is currently more evidence of election fraud than voter fraud. The former is executed by election officials and the more dangerous to democracy.
Good point!
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The Governor here in Georgia is beginning to get on board. I think he is seeing his Governorship beginning to slip away. We have an interesting race shaping up here in Georgia. We have Vernon Jones, Democrat turned Republican running against Kemp. VoterGA is going to expand their effort to other counties now having found evidence of crap in other counties besides Fulton. I've offered to help VoterGA, haven't heard anything as yet.
Still waiting for a report of the Arizona audit to be released.