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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on August 08, 2021, 12:42:41 PM
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/736114/
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I realize that since it is a liberal idea, we are supposed to be against it, but I sort of like the idea.
If Trump has proposed it, liberals would be up on arms saying it is racist and unduly penalizes the poor, who can least afford it.
Gas taxes are a problem now that Electric cars are taking off, and because ICE based cars are getting better mileage. So a per/mile user fee seems the best strategy to me to pay for roads and infrastructure.
My only problem with it is that any time you create a source of funds to the government, they spend multiples of that amount and then want more.
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https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/democrats-attacking-consumers-using-clean-burning-natural-gas/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-newsletter&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=newsletter&ats_es=54808cc9d6031b0b3d68c128f6b95617
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One day, far in the future, this might make sense. When environmentally clean batteries become so efficient that Utility companies can store power even when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, * * AND * * individual houses can use similar batteries to store even more energy for when the utilities do let us down, THEN we might think about removing natural gas.
OR, if we ever get smart about using nuclear power safely, which we need to do anyway.
But for now, natural gas is the best and cleanest thing that has happened regarding greenhouse gas emissions.
And also, I will give up my gas stove after Rush gives up her guns. >:(
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The number of electric batteries needed for all these coming electric cars alone will mean massive mining on a level never seen before.
Those batterie materials must be mined. Remember when leftist were losing their fuckin' minds over strip mining? They ain't seen nothing yet.
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One day, far in the future, this might make sense. When environmentally clean batteries become so efficient that Utility companies can store power even when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, * * AND * * individual houses can use similar batteries to store even more energy for when the utilities do let us down, THEN we might think about removing natural gas.
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If these unicorns ever appear, than removing natural gas will naturally result. Given a choice between these magical batteries and natural gas, people will choose the better solution... won't they?
People will not have to be forced, right?
I crack myself up (homage to Goose)
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One day, far in the future, this might make sense. When environmentally clean batteries become so efficient that Utility companies can store power even when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, * * AND * * individual houses can use similar batteries to store even more energy for when the utilities do let us down, THEN we might think about removing natural gas.
OR, if we ever get smart about using nuclear power safely, which we need to do anyway.
But for now, natural gas is the best and cleanest thing that has happened regarding greenhouse gas emissions.
And also, I will give up my gas stove after Rush gives up her guns. >:(
You have a natural gas stove? That’s what I want! That’s my favorite with the electric coil second. Least favorite are these glass tops we’ve had since we moved to Texas. Our current house has a glass cooktop insert in the island and it is impossible to run a gas line there without tearing up the whole kitchen.
I hate the glass so much we recently bought an electric coil insert with actual mechanical knobs like God intended and tried to switch it out but our granite top counter was cut a half inch too small. We didn’t want to cut it more because we might need to put the black glass back in if we decide to sell the house later (the coil top was white, totally clashed with our all black kitchen decor, looked like shit but I wasn’t going to care. Couldn’t get it in black because covid supply chain shortages.)
So we are back to that piece of shit glass cooktop that I despise with the shitty electronic button controls, burners that turn themselves off if there is no pan, takes FOREVER to boil water and forever to cool down if I try to go from boil to simmer, just WAY too much thermal inertia in both directions. Cannot stand the piece of crap.
I had a gas stove when I was young renting an apartment and haven’t since. I remember it fondly. For some reason never got around to getting another (we’ve moved so many times). If we decide to stay here in retirement we might have to spend the money to tear up the kitchen. In the meantime I cuss this piece of shit cooktop every single day.
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https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/07/bidens-electric-vehicle-plan-without-mining-expansion-is-a-big-win-for-beijing/
President Joe Biden announced plans Thursday to push auto sales to be 50 percent electric by 2030 with new regulations, as part of the administration’s effort to promote cleaner energy.
“There [is] a vision of the future that is now beginning to happen,” Biden said at the White House. “A future of the automobile industry that is electric. Battery electric, plug-in, hybrid electric, fuel cell electric, it’s electric and there’s no turning back.”
That future however, may also feature swelling American reliance on one of its greatest overseas adversaries: China.
Less than five percent of all new cars on the U.S. market were purely electric vehicles and less than four percent were plug-in hybrids as of June, according to the Energy Department’s Argonne National Laboratory. Not only will the government-manufactured shift to up that number by 12 times require massive state subsidies for a slow-growing industry, as Biden promised, but it will exacerbate American dependence on Chinese mineral production to make the car batteries needed.
According to the New York Times, China makes “70 to 80 percent of the world’s battery chemicals, battery anodes and battery cells,” and dominates the market for electric motor magnets.
“China controls the cards in the battery supply chain,” Vivas Kumar, the former Tesla manager of battery materials, told the paper in February.
Meanwhile, the Unites States lags behind when it comes to even mining its own minerals such as lithium and cobalt, let alone processing them at home. While both are more common components of electric cars, the Chinese also remain dominant in the extraction and refinement of the 17 rare earth minerals, some of which are in the batteries too.
“The Middle East has oil, and China has rare earth,” said former Chinese Communist Party Leader Deng Xiaoping in 1992, as Beijing ramped up production to play the long game — which is now bearing fruit. Since then, China has outpaced the United States as the world’s largest producer of rare minerals, raising production by 500 percent, according to the Wyoming Mining Association.
“The [electric vehicle] industry can’t exist without China, and there is no plan to displace China as the supplier of these minerals,” former Trump administration EPA transition team member and founder of “JunkScience” Steve Milloy told The Federalist, adding that Biden’s latest initiative orders more dependency on Chinese imports.
Milloy is skeptical the electric vehicle industry will even take off with a 50 percent share of the car market altogether. He argues their high price and inefficiency will lead consumers to embrace their use far more slowly than the 2030 timeline suggests, if not reject them entirely.
The Biden administration is not blind to the dominance of Chinese mining. At his electric vehicle announcement Thursday, the president acknowledged the United States was in competition with China and its stranglehold on the world’s battery supply.
“Right now, China’s leading the race,” Biden said. The electric car market has also grown far more and far faster in China than in the U.S., according to the Pew Research Center.
“And here’s the deal,” the president continued, “our national labs in America, our universities, our automakers, led in the development of this technology. We lead in developing this technology, and there’s no reason why we can’t reclaim that leadership and lead again.”
Biden said nothing about mining however, as the administration fills with radical environmental leftists who aim to lock up natural resources on federal land. The dramatic increase in battery demand that would accompany making 50 percent of new cars electric is a big win for Beijing.
The United States could reclaim its mineral dominance if it tapped into its own vast riches, unreachable by the cascade of burdensome regulation standing in the way of development. The short 6-minute video from Kite & Key Media sums up the entire debacle below:
Even if the lower 48 are kept off limits, Alaskan minerals could be mined to erase American dependence on Chinese supply, with lawmakers in the Republican state welcoming development.
“Experts predict a nearly 500 percent increase in mineral demand created by the push to decarbonize the world. Alaska is the place to find a responsible way to meet this demand,” wrote Alaskan Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy in the Wall Street Journal three months ago. “No major mining accident has occurred in Alaska, yet the U.S. continues to sources its minerals from the Congo, South Africa and China while Washington regulators deny permits to projects on state of Alaska lands designed for mining.”
China, meanwhile, has made no secret of its plans to exploit American dependence on its mineral operations. The Wall Street Journal reported on a 2019 Beijing-funded report on rare-earth policy, which wrote, “China will not rule out using rare earth exports as leverage to deal with” a U.S.-China trade war.
With other nations, China already has weaponized its supply-chain power. In 2010, the country blocked rare-earth mineral exports to Japan, a developed but resource-poor country which relied heavily on the Chinese products.
Federalist Senior Contributor Helen Raleigh, an author and expert on Chinese affairs, chronicled the Japanese response, in which the government sought to diversify its source of minerals and drive innovation to encourage entrepreneurs to find substitute material.
In an interview, Raleigh emphasized that, while China is the world’s supplier of rare-earth minerals, it is not home to the most reserves, and the United States could find alternative production with an open look inward at its own supply which is mined far more cleanly and safely.
“Chinese dominance is in production and processing, not the world’s largest deposits,” Raleigh said.
While the Biden administration began to take steps in April to secure domestic supply for rare-earth minerals, Raleigh said the plans so far lacked “teeth” because “they focus on short-term optics,” such as initiatives to make 50 percent of the U.S. auto fleet electric within 10 years.
“We shouldn’t be so short-sighted,” Raleigh said, considering the Chinese plotted their dominance in the mineral arena decades ago.
In May, Reuters reported Biden was looking to Brazil, Canada, and Australia as potential sources for rare-earth minerals, as opposed to expanding America’s own mines to tap into its own reserves with its own labor.
Milloy said the issue with that proposal, aside from generating jobs abroad which could be available at home, is that neither country is a known host to resources as vast as those in the United States.
“We can’t just demand that Australia, Canada, [and] Brazil produce these for us,” Milloy said.
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When I had an old Corning glass top range, I had to turn the burner on half an hour before I wanted to use it. Then after dinner, an hour or so later, I’d go to wipe the range top and the dishcloth would sizzle.
Love my gas range too.
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https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/07/bidens-electric-vehicle-plan-without-mining-expansion-is-a-big-win-for-beijing/
The Democrats can’t wait to make us slaves of China.
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The Democrats can’t wait to make us slaves of China.
The CCP has promised the leaders of the DCP a place at the table for their help.
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Electric Vehicles represent no more than 3% of the market. Most people don't have a place to charge them nor are there charging stations. They're a huge step backwards in capability. This is not market driven, but Government/ Corporate Alliance solution to make the elite even more money and give them another way to TAX.
It's also another power play to limit transportation. They know it's not an environmental solution to anything. Yet they've convinced the Woke They're the answer. My neighbors have Teslas, but they can charge them in their garage at night. It's an affluent area. What about apartment dwellers or those that live in townhouse and row houses that park on the street or a lot?
This is just another elitist scam. The brainwashed bliss ninnies are bought into it though. The believe the MEDIA just like with the Covid scam.
We're becoming a colony of China.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15496287/china-cannibalism-flesh-banquets-ripped-hearts-victims/
All professionals – doctors, teachers, lawyers – were targeted in the great purge of the middle classes, whom Mao knew, and feared, may challenge him one day.
Just like the Dems are trying to destroy our middle class.
In some cases organs were hacked out while the victims were still alive.
That was the cultural revolution in China. Gangs south of our border do that routinely today. The dems are inviting them into the U.S. with open arms.
This is what leftism leads to.
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The number of electric batteries needed for all these coming electric cars alone will mean massive mining on a level never seen before.
Those batterie materials must be mined. Remember when leftist were losing their fuckin' minds over strip mining? They ain't seen nothing yet.
It's not any old metal, it's rare earth metals which all come from China! And where is the ore processed? China again!
Thanks Joe! Thanks Hunter!
The Democrats can’t wait to make us slaves of China.
They already have.
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We've been using a glass cooktop for twenty-four years now. Had to have one element replaced many years ago.
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We've been using a glass cooktop for twenty-four years now. Had to have one element replaced many years ago.
Do you like it? Maybe there’s a difference in brand or something. The only thing I like about it is it can double as more flat countertop. But I’d give that up in a heartbeat for gas.
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Do you like it? Maybe there’s a difference in brand or something. The only thing I like about it is it can double as more flat countertop. But I’d give that up in a heartbeat for gas.
Yes, we do like it. We've kept it clean and it does a good job. I believe it is Kenmore and is a slide in cooktop oven combo.
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Yes, we do like it. We've kept it clean and it does a good job. I believe it is Kenmore and is a slide in cooktop oven combo.
Maybe it’s because it’s so old, maybe it was made in America. Kenmore used to be an awesome brand.
My mother is still using her 1985 microwave (Amana Radarange). I don’t believe it has once malfunctioned or needed repair. Knock on wood.
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I love my electric coil cooktop. We had gas at one house we used to own... I hated the idea of a fire in the kitchen, even if it was on a cooktop. Clicking to get the gas to ignite. What kind of technology is that? What if it takes too long and the gas collects and explodes? And the funny smell. Glass? No thank you. Takes forever to heat up and cool down. Spill something and it hardens into lava that you can never remove. Electric coils you just get a new one. Buy a new under-burner pan for a couple dollars. Neat and clean. Gas... no way. Too scary.
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I love gas cooktops. Ran a gas line to my house just so I could cook with gas.
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I love my electric coil cooktop. We had gas at one house we used to own... I hated the idea of a fire in the kitchen, even if it was on a cooktop. Clicking to get the gas to ignite. What kind of technology is that? What if it takes too long and the gas collects and explodes? And the funny smell. Glass? No thank you. Takes forever to heat up and cool down. Spill something and it hardens into lava that you can never remove. Electric coils you just get a new one. Buy a new under-burner pan for a couple dollars. Neat and clean. Gas... no way. Too scary.
I was skeered when we bought our home 16 years ago with its gas range. But when the time came to replace, I got a nice Bosch gas range and LOVE it.
An insurance claims specialist I know told me that statistically, home fires are far more likely in an all-electric home.
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We already have gas clothes dryer, water heater and furnace, and whole house generator, although that one is outside, so I don’t feel adding a cooktop adds that much more risk. I’ve nearly burned down the house using an electric coil stove. For that matter I’ve come close to starting fires with the glass cooktop by putting flammable things on a “burner” that looked off but was still hot due to taking forever to cool down.
More than once I’ve exploded eggs by forgetting them and boiling off all the water. One of those times I left it so long my pot actually fused onto the coil ruining them both.
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I was skeered when we bought our home 16 years ago with its gas range. But when the time came to replace, I got a nice Bosch gas range and LOVE it.
An insurance claims specialist I know told me that statistically, home fires are far more likely in an all-electric home.
It's completely irrational, but somehow it's there. I just don't like fire. We have an all electric house except for the propane furnace in the basement. Somehow I don't have a problem with that. Gas clothes dryer? No way! Cloth and lint and fire in close proximity? May as well throw in a little 100LL. I know on an intellectual level that it's all perfectly safe. But no. I don't like fire.
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I realize that since it is a liberal idea, we are supposed to be against it, but I sort of like the idea.
If Trump has proposed it, liberals would be up on arms saying it is racist and unduly penalizes the poor, who can least afford it.
Gas taxes are a problem now that Electric cars are taking off, and because ICE based cars are getting better mileage. So a per/mile user fee seems the best strategy to me to pay for roads and infrastructure.
My only problem with it is that any time you create a source of funds to the government, they spend multiples of that amount and then want more.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Having the government track every mile you drive, and where you drive, shouldn’t be a concern only for conservatives. My God, since when did liberty become a solely conservative cause?
Here are ways to raise road money:
1) Register an electric car with your state? Feds send you a bill.
2) Create a surcharge for electric utilities that are providing your “free” electricity.
3) Put in a home charging station for your EV? You get charged a tax on that.
Etc. etc.
You can’t possibly believe this per mile scheme is designed to raise money. It’s designed to penalize rural and suburban drivers, and drive them into the urban centers so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute. Ultimately, it’s about control. That’s it.
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It's completely irrational, but somehow it's there. I just don't like fire. We have an all electric house except for the propane furnace in the basement. Somehow I don't have a problem with that. Gas clothes dryer? No way! Cloth and lint and fire in close proximity? May as well throw in a little 100LL. I know on an intellectual level that it's all perfectly safe. But no. I don't like fire.
Who knows from whence come irrational fears. Sometimes it’s obvious. I never used to fear T-storms. Loved them in fact. Then two people I knew got killed by lightning in two separate incidents. (My sister’s roommate and the five year old child of my husband’s coworker) After that I developed a fear of thunder and lightning.
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You’ve got to be kidding me. Having the government track every mile you drive, and where you drive, shouldn’t be a concern only for conservatives. My God, since when did liberty become a solely conservative cause?
Here are ways to raise road money:
1) Register an electric car with your state? Feds send you a bill.
2) Create a surcharge for electric utilities that are providing your “free” electricity.
3) Put in a home charging station for your EV? You get charged a tax on that.
Etc. etc.
You can’t possibly believe this per mile scheme is designed to raise money. It’s designed to penalize rural and suburban drivers, and drive them into the urban centers so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute. Ultimately, it’s about control. That’s it.
"so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute."
how cute.
How long before they start taxing people for walking?
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You’ve got to be kidding me. Having the government track every mile you drive, and where you drive, shouldn’t be a concern only for conservatives. My God, since when did liberty become a solely conservative cause?
Here are ways to raise road money:
1) Register an electric car with your state? Feds send you a bill.
2) Create a surcharge for electric utilities that are providing your “free” electricity.
3) Put in a home charging station for your EV? You get charged a tax on that.
Etc. etc.
You can’t possibly believe this per mile scheme is designed to raise money. It’s designed to penalize rural and suburban drivers, and drive them into the urban centers so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute. Ultimately, it’s about control. That’s it.
Im hoping that would never get passed, or if it does will get shot down by the courts. But I’m very cynical these days.
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The number of electric batteries needed for all these coming electric cars alone will mean massive mining on a level never seen before.
Those batterie materials must be mined. Remember when leftist were losing their fuckin' minds over strip mining? They ain't seen nothing yet.
Wisconsin liberals lost their minds when a company wanted to mine sand - SAND - to be used in fracking.
Yet let’s mine all the rare earth elements possible so we can have “clean energy,” even if we destroy the planet in the process.
What a fucking joke.
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If these unicorns ever appear, than removing natural gas will naturally result. Given a choice between these magical batteries and natural gas, people will choose the better solution... won't they?
People will not have to be forced, right?
I crack myself up (homage to Goose)
May he Rest In Peace.
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You’ve got to be kidding me. Having the government track every mile you drive, and where you drive, shouldn’t be a concern only for conservatives. My God, since when did liberty become a solely conservative cause?
Here are ways to raise road money:
1) Register an electric car with your state? Feds send you a bill.
2) Create a surcharge for electric utilities that are providing your “free” electricity.
3) Put in a home charging station for your EV? You get charged a tax on that.
Etc. etc.
You can’t possibly believe this per mile scheme is designed to raise money. It’s designed to penalize rural and suburban drivers, and drive them into the urban centers so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute. Ultimately, it’s about control. That’s it.
The feds aren't going to send a bill to those who purchase electric cars. They will give them tax benefits to buy them, then add on a environmental charge onto those who purchase a regular car and raise gas taxes even higher.
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Wisconsin liberals lost their minds when a company wanted to mine sand - SAND - to be used in fracking.
Yet let’s mine all the rare earth elements possible so we can have “clean energy,” even if we destroy the planet in the process.
What a fucking joke.
You see that shit about the rock at UW-Madison?
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You see that shit about the rock at UW-Madison?
This is the madness Josh is referring to. University of Wisconsin Madison moved a 2 billion year old, 42 ton Boulder because some SJWs found a 1925 newspaper article (not a typo - a 96-year old article) that referred to the rock as a “niggerhead,” which was an accepted geological term to describe dark rock.
And they spent $50,000 of my tax money to appease these little fucking over sensitive twerps.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/09/rocks-are-racist-now-university-of-wisconsin-moves-derogatory-boulder-for-50k/
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You’ve got to be kidding me. Having the government track every mile you drive, and where you drive, shouldn’t be a concern only for conservatives. My God, since when did liberty become a solely conservative cause?
Here are ways to raise road money:
1) Register an electric car with your state? Feds send you a bill.
2) Create a surcharge for electric utilities that are providing your “free” electricity.
3) Put in a home charging station for your EV? You get charged a tax on that.
Etc. etc.
You can’t possibly believe this per mile scheme is designed to raise money. It’s designed to penalize rural and suburban drivers, and drive them into the urban centers so they don’t have to pay extra costs for their commute. Ultimately, it’s about control. That’s it.
I actually agree with you. My point was that I am not against user fees. The more you drive, the more you pay. I like that better than taxing everyone, even if they don't drive. I didn't see the part where they would not only track how many miles you drive, but WHERE you drive. Is that truth or speculation? I would definitely protest the "where" part. I was thinking they would take odometer readings that just give total miles.
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I actually agree with you. My point was that I am not against user fees. The more you drive, the more you pay. I like that better than taxing everyone, even if they don't drive. I didn't see the part where they would not only track how many miles you drive, but WHERE you drive. Is that truth or speculation? I would definitely protest the "where" part. I was thinking they would take odometer readings that just give total miles.
I don’t think I agree with that. There are a few things that society provides as good for everyone in general and taxes are spread equally regardless of whether an individual uses them. Public schools for example, paid for from property taxes where how much you pay is related to the value of your property, and has nothing to do with whether or how many children you have attending because it’s generally accepted that it’s good for all of society for everyone to get an education.
Roads are critical for the functioning of society and the economy whether you ever get on one or not. Everything you buy in the store came there on a truck. Every service you get requires roads, roads are critical for National defense. If for no other reason than that they should be covered just like the military is under general taxes everyone pays.
On the other hand, my free market libertarianism thinks everything should be paid for by the people that use them. There should be no public schools. They should all be private with tuition, you want an education? Pay for it yourself. Roads should be the same way. The cost of the freight including road tolls should be built in to the price you pay for the good.
Do you see any hope of implementing that utopia? Right now I see any attempt to connect us to how many miles we drive, other than gasoline tax, as a 4th amendment violation of privacy. Even just odometer readings. None of your business which vehicle I put that gas in, or if I just used it all to mow my lawn.
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I don’t think I agree with that. There are a few things that society provides as good for everyone in general and taxes are spread equally regardless of whether an individual uses them. Public schools for example, paid for from property taxes where how much you pay is related to the value of your property, and has nothing to do with whether or how many children you have attending because it’s generally accepted that it’s good for all of society for everyone to get an education.
Roads are critical for the functioning of society and the economy whether you ever get on one or not. Everything you buy in the store came there on a truck. Every service you get requires roads, roads are critical for National defense. If for no other reason than that they should be covered just like the military is under general taxes everyone pays.
On the other hand, my free market libertarianism thinks everything should be paid for by the people that use them. There should be no public schools. They should all be private with tuition, you want an education? Pay for it yourself. Roads should be the same way. The cost of the freight including road tolls should be built in to the price you pay for the good.
Do you see any hope of implementing that utopia? Right now I see any attempt to connect us to how many miles we drive, other than gasoline tax, as a 4th amendment violation of privacy. Even just odometer readings. None of your business which vehicle I put that gas in, or if I just used it all to mow my lawn.
Lawns are racist.
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This is the madness Josh is referring to. University of Wisconsin Madison moved a 2 billion year old, 42 ton Boulder because some SJWs found a 1925 newspaper article (not a typo - a 96-year old article) that referred to the rock as a “niggerhead,” which was an accepted geological term to describe dark rock.
And they spent $50,000 of my tax money to appease these little fucking over sensitive twerps.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/09/rocks-are-racist-now-university-of-wisconsin-moves-derogatory-boulder-for-50k/
Un-fucking-believable. All to virtue signali on a term used almost 100 years ago? YGTBFSM.
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Roads are critical for the functioning of society and the economy whether you ever get on one or not. Everything you buy in the store came there on a truck. Every service you get requires roads, roads are critical for National defense. If for no other reason than that they should be covered just like the military is under general taxes everyone pays.
Yes, everything you buy came by truck. But, everything you buy includes a transportation cost. That transportation cost is what helps pay for the roads. So you are paying your share even if you don't drive.
The current alternative to user fees on a per mile basis is a user fee in the form of a fuel tax on a per gallon basis. unless you drive an electric vehicle, and that is the problem that needs to be fixed. I want to buy an electric car, but that shouldn't mean I no longer have to pay for the roads because I don't buy gasoline. Most lawn mower usage is insignificant. Is a gas tax better than a per mile tax?
Stan's point about the government tracking WHERE you drive is valid. If they do that, I protest.
So what else is it that is really objectionable here?
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Yes, everything you buy came by truck. But, everything you buy includes a transportation cost. That transportation cost is what helps pay for the roads. So you are paying your share even if you don't drive.
The current alternative to user fees on a per mile basis is a user fee in the form of a fuel tax on a per gallon basis. unless you drive an electric vehicle, and that is the problem that needs to be fixed. I want to buy an electric car, but that shouldn't mean I no longer have to pay for the roads because I don't buy gasoline. Most lawn mower usage is insignificant. Is a gas tax better than a per mile tax?
Stan's point about the government tracking WHERE you drive is valid. If they do that, I protest.
So what else is it that is really objectionable here?
You could make all roads toll where you stop and pay cash so it would be anonymous. Not the kind that a camera tracks you and sends a bill to your house. In fact the interstate system was originally supposed to be all toll but that was quickly shot down.
I guess my solution would be no gasoline tax then because you’re right, gas users shouldn’t have to subsidize EV users. Just general income tax at some flat rate. It would work if they took all the pork out of the budget.
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Un-fucking-believable. All to virtue signaling on a term used almost 100 years ago? YGTBFSM.
you can freak out people by using the term "niggardly"
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Right now I see any attempt to connect us to how many miles we drive, other than gasoline tax, as a 4th amendment violation of privacy. Even just odometer readings. None of your business which vehicle I put that gas in, or if I just used it all to mow my lawn.
In PA, the DOT started (years ago) requiring the current ODO when doing the annual registration.
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Yes, everything you buy came by truck. But, everything you buy includes a transportation cost. That transportation cost is what helps pay for the roads. So you are paying your share even if you don't drive.
The current alternative to user fees on a per mile basis is a user fee in the form of a fuel tax on a per gallon basis. unless you drive an electric vehicle, and that is the problem that needs to be fixed. I want to buy an electric car, but that shouldn't mean I no longer have to pay for the roads because I don't buy gasoline. Most lawn mower usage is insignificant. Is a gas tax better than a per mile tax?
Stan's point about the government tracking WHERE you drive is valid. If they do that, I protest.
So what else is it that is really objectionable here?
What's objectionable is the totalitarian Government/Corporate Cabal forcing electric vehicles on people. They are inferior in capability. All for greed, profit, power, and control. You don't see that? It's not about man made climate change nor the environment. Buy a hybrid or economical ICE vehicle if you want to save money.
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Reminds me of the ethanol in the gas scam. To save the planet, you know.
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Everything liberals say, do and think is stupid, because liberals are stupid.
Liberal politicians are corrupt.
Liberal judges are incoherent on the subject of the constitution because they're stupid.
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unless you drive an electric vehicle, and that is the problem that needs to be fixed.
It has been. The super majority of states require an additional fee on registering an electric vehicle. The average gas tax for gas vehicles is estimated at $150 / year. When I pay my taxes this year, I have an extra $130 fee. It is lower because electric vehicles drive fewer miles.
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