PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 25, 2018, 05:43:07 PM
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Finally!
Now we'll see who the real assholes are that refuse to back getting rid of this asshat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5993205/GOP-lawmakers-introduce-articles-impeachment-against-Rod-Rosenstein.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/25/house-republicans-introduce-articles-impeachment-against-rosenstein.html
House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Trey Gowdy said after the meeting that he was pleased with the department's efforts and wouldn't support Rosenstein's impeachment.
House Speaker Paul Ryan has also said he is satisfied with progress on the document production.
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Could the Republicans finally be locating their testicles?
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Could the Republicans finally be locating their testicles?
The real ones.
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Right on cue: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/sessions-defends-deputy-rosenstein-impeachment-move-143717897.html
U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan on Thursday rejected a move by fellow Republicans to impeach Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the No. 2 Justice Department official, who oversees the federal probe of Russia's role in the 2016 presidential election.
"Do I support impeachment of Rod Rosenstein? No, I do not," said Ryan, whose stance could make it easier for other Republican members to oppose the measure.
And then the mysteriously missing Jeff Sessions pipes in with:
Earlier, Rosenstein's boss, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, expressed confidence in the career civil servant and took a swipe at the lawmakers pushing for his ouster.
"My deputy, Rod Rosenstein, is highly capable. I have the highest confidence in him," Sessions said during an appearance in Boston.
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Guilty or not, it's a waste of time. The House can easily impeach him (accuse him), but there is zero chance that there will be 67 votes in the Senate to remove him because it would be a stain on the Obama regime. So the end result is already known.
Meanwhile, unless the evidence that is yet to be revealed is overwhelmingly negative toward him, Republicans will look rather petulant pushing this. Keep in mind that 100% of Democrats already know that the evidence is BS, even if they haven't seen it yet.
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Andrew C. McCarthy's take on this from National Review:
Finally, as House conservatives well know, the prospect of impeaching President Trump has galvanized the Left since before he took office. It is a prime motivator in the Democrats’ midterm-election push, and that effort could go either way. If the Democrats take the House, the best defense of the president against impeachment is that, while he does not conform to norms, he has not done anything impeachable. How are Republicans going to make that case if they’ve already trivialized the concept of high crimes and misdemeanors?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/rod-rosenstein-impeachment-bad-idea/
He argues that Rosenstein isn't worth impeaching and that if Congress is really upset that the Justice Department isn't handing over documents that the President can declassify them and then release them. After all, the Justice Department is part of the executive branch.
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He argues that Rosenstein isn't worth impeaching and that if Congress is really upset that the Justice Department isn't handing over documents that the President can declassify them and then release them. After all, the Justice Department is part of the executive branch.
Rosenstein has given his middle finger to congress, who has direct oversight of the DoJ.
Yes, the President can fire anyone in the SES of the DoJ. Politically it would be a mine field. Also, if the President declassified the documents the democrats would start screaming and mouth foaming that he has endangered national security, and in turn he has committed a "high crime".
Make no mistake, Rosenstein has played this whole mess right into his own hands, and he has basically put the AG in a closet. If AG Sessions would simply do his job, he could put a stop to most of this madness going on in the DoJ. But he won't.
Sessions has turned out to be the worse appointment in the Trump Administration.
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Did you read the article? He addresses most of your points:
Rosenstein has given his middle finger to congress, who has direct oversight of the DoJ.
In our system of separation of powers, Congress has the obligation to conduct oversight of the Justice Department’s operations, but it does not get to run the place. It is true that the regulations on which the sponsors rely prescribe procedures that the Justice Department should follow when appointing special counsels; it is also highly likely that Rosenstein did not follow them. Yet these regulations explicitly state that they are not legally enforceable against the DOJ. They create neither a mandate to appoint a special counsel in any given situation nor an entitlement to have one appointed.
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If the deputy AG does not comply, the committees should move to hold him in contempt of Congress. House leadership has previously supported the investigating committees when Rosenstein complained about their intrusiveness. The House has already passed by a comfortable margin a resolution demanding DOJ compliance with its committee’s information demands. These steps have been effective, pressuring the DOJ into more disclosure.
Yes, the President can fire anyone in the SES of the DoJ. Politically it would be a mine field. Also, if the President declassified the documents the democrats would start screaming and mouth foaming that he has endangered national security, and in turn he has committed a "high crime".
President Trump is taking an untenable position, elevating his private legal posturing over his duty to run the executive branch. With the advice of his lawyers, he claims he must stay out of the fray between Congress and the Justice Department lest he be accused, yet again, of obstructing the Mueller investigation. But he alone is responsible for how his administration responds to legitimate congressional inquiries.
If the president believes the Mueller investigation is too important for the administration to risk disclosure of sensitive information to Congress at this time, then he should respectfully ask House conservatives to stand down until Mueller is done. If, to the contrary, he believes disclosure to Congress is essential regardless of how it impacts the Mueller investigation (if it impacts the Mueller investigation at all at this point), then he should order disclosure. Either way, he should make a decision and own it.
House conservatives could then either defer to the president’s judgment or fight him on it. But let’s stop pretending that the problem here is Rod Rosenstein. There are plenty of reasons to be critical of Rosenstein’s performance, but he is not in charge of the executive branch.
Make no mistake, Rosenstein has played this whole mess right into his own hands, and he has basically put the AG in a closet. If AG Sessions would simply do his job, he could put a stop to most of this madness going on in the DoJ. But he won't.
Just so I understand, what do you mean by "simply do his job"? End the special counsel investigation?
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Did you read the article? He addresses most of your points:
So are you implying that everyone must agree with Mr. McCarthy's positions?
Just so I understand, what do you mean by "simply do his job"? End the special counsel investigation?
AG Sessions should be running the DoJ, not Rod Rosenstein. You'll come back with a snarky reply and claim that he is, but the reality is Rod Rosenstein is actually running the DoJ. This has been stated by several members of congress as well as other branches of government that deal with the DoJ.
The Special Counsel investigation is a farce and is purely politically motivated.
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So are you implying that everyone must agree with Mr. McCarthy's positions?
Of course not, but you're dodging my question and not addressing the other points. You brought up a few points in your reply to my post, and as I showed you, most of those were addressed in the article.
AG Sessions should be running the DoJ, not Rod Rosenstein. You'll come back with a snarky reply and claim that he is, but the reality is Rod Rosenstein is actually running the DoJ. This has been stated by several members of congress as well as other branches of government that deal with the DoJ.
Was this stated as conjecture or as a statement of evidence? Because I'm not sure what Rod Rosenstein is running outside of the special counsel investigation.
The Special Counsel investigation is a farce and is purely politically motivated.
I tend to agree with this and it's true for any special counsel, not just this one. I would like to see the memo that Rosenstein issued to Mueller outlining his guidance for what to investigate.